Not long after I had a private email tiff with Cynthia McKinney, I find that my piece on Dennis Kucinich's flying whatzit sighting has received a reply from Kucinich himself. At least, I think comment 13 is really his. The odd thing is, he responds to all sorts of points I did not make -- yet he does not talk about my explanation for the whatzit.
At least he was polite enough to ignore the earlier post in which I confessed to having fantasies about his wife.
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That's because he knows the only difference between you and every heterosexual man and lesbian woman on the planet is that you confessed. ;)
After reading his comments, I'll say this: Every vote is a compromise. I doubt any candidate satisfies the views and desires of most individual voters on every single issue. We should vote for the best AVAILABLE candidate in every primary, and continue to support the best AVAILABLE and ELECTABLE candidate we can when the general election comes around.
Willingness to compromise here is not the problem here. In fact, the problem is just the opposite. We get so pissed off and rigid in our views and desires, that liberals will either drop out or run off to support some unelectable third party candidate as an act of protest, throwing the election to the worst possible choice.
Kucinich has been my top choice here, despite my disagreements with him on healthcare, because he meets my views on issues I consider to be the most important. However, I was happy when he openly identified Obama as his second choice in Iowa.
In view of the Ralph Nader threats, I hope I am misunderstanding Dennis' statements about "voting with integrity".
Supposedly DK should be my top pick if elections were only about past voting records.
I won't vote for him on several reasons.
He would work/run with Ron Paul if he did not win the Democratic ticket.
He is way to reactionary, have you listened to him respond to interviewers questions or statements. I'll say this, he is all about Dennis Kucinich.
Dennis wants to be president not for America, but to prove something to Dennis.
Short guy complex, totally
This looked interesting. http://www.consortiumnews.com/Print/2008/010608a.html
A true LOL moment on the wife thing
farmer
IMO, Obama will do us all proud provided he can endure the 'Swiftboat/(and the new)POW/(and the coming)I hate N*****s for truth' gauntlet.
It wont be pretty.
Flo
Welcome to the United States of Disney
Dear Fellow Kucinich Supporters,
On Saturday night we officially became the United States of Disney. While Republican candidates railed about the threat of Islamo-fascists, Americans were oblivious that in fact, the greatest treat to our freedom was transpiring right before them - corporate-controlled media, a key component of fascism, used their power to exclude the one candidate from the debates who dares to stand up to them. To "cover" their coup, they ran a silly fluff piece prior to the debate about people who are running for president with no organization behind them and questioned why they would do such a thing other than to massage their own egos.
But the candidate Disney/ABC arbitrarily excluded from the debate is a viable candidate who has hundreds of thousands of supporters and a solid organization in every state. Dennis Kucinich has been campaigning non-stop for over a year with his wife, Elizabeth. He's on the ballot in almost every state. This isn't some vanity campaign that the Corporate-controlled media has deliberately tried to make disappear - this is the one candidate who is running for all the right reasons - because he wants to save our country from the takeover of special interests.
While John Edwards, during the debate, eloquently and passionately decried the stranglehold special interests have on our nation, he never once mentioned that Disney/ABC had excluded one of his fellow candidates from the debate. How disingenuous! He also failed to mention the fortune he has invested in a hedge fund that makes him as vested in these special interests as anyone.
I watched the entire debate on Saturday night, and have to admit that compared to the Republicans, any of the Democratic candidates sounded like a good bet. But here's the catch - while they debated who was the more likely to bring about change and who had more experience actually initiating change, not one of them has ever proved they have the courage to stand up to the status-quo that will do whatever it takes to prevent change. If they had, ABC would have kept them off that stage too. So while just about everything spoken by the four Democratic candidates sounded good, I couldn't help thinking that this was just another Disney performance. Put any of them in the White House and you'll get the same disappointment we're experiencing with the Democratic Congress we elected in '06. We worked our tails off to get them elected and they conveniently forgot why we did it.
Here are some words you didn't hear uttered during the debate - words that Dennis Kucinich would have said if he had been given his place at the table. Words the American people deserve to hear:
Impeach - The majority of Americans want to see Bush and Cheney held accountable for the lies and corruption that have driven our country to the brink of moral, financial and military bankruptcy. Dennis Kucinich introduced a bill to impeach Dick Cheney last November. The Democratic leadership moved to table it. It was only because REPUBLICANS voted against tabling it that the bill didn't die immediately on the floor and instead now languishes in the Judicial Committee.
Not for Profit Health Care - Don't let them fool you - the insurance companies are the problem because they only make a killing when they deny patients health care. Keep them in the mix and you will never have healthcare for all.
End NAFTA and get out of the WTO - Although Edwards briefly alluded to the problems our trade agreements have caused to working-class Americans, no Democratic candidate is ever going to criticize a trade policy that was put through by President Bill Clinton - even if it is the cause of not only job loss, but the surge in illegal immigration from Mexico. No candidate, that is, except the one we can count on to always speak the truth - Dennis Kucinich.
The corporate-controlled, censored media has carefully orchestrated the obliteration of Dennis Kucinich. This is the third debate he's been kept from. They are also distorting his politically strategic move in the Iowa caucuses to suggest supporters cast their second vote for Obama, as a indication that Dennis has quit the race and is throwing his support behind Obama. Nothing could be further from the truth! In fact, Bill Richardson did the exact same thing as Kucinich and he still got to be in the debate last night!
Is it too late? Has corporate-controlled media become so powerful that they can decide who our candidates are, and delude us into thinking we are actually electing our leaders? There's one way to find out. Let's make this a real democracy where people talk to people. Let's spend the next weeks before our state primary contacting voters and telling them about the one candidate who hasn't just been talking about change, his entire political career has been the embodiment of change.
What you do over the next few weeks might mean the difference between waking up this time next year in a Disneyland where the majority of Americans will be grateful for the most menial jobs, while the wealthy few get a free ride, or taking our country back from the military/industrial/insurance/media fascists. Please go to www.California4Kucinich.com now and sign up to be on a DK Team. We are currently organizing to reach out to voters by phone and in person and your local DK Team Leader will contact you to see the best way you can get involved.
In peace & hope,
Jeeni
jeeni, I'm going to let this stay up, if only to prove that I'm not as furious at DK as I was just a week ago. The Ron Paul thing really, really, really bugged me -- and do not TRY to defend that statement, because neither you nor anyone else will ever have the right words.
You may be a newcomer, jeeni, so understand that I don't get paid to run this site. This is my HOME, not a public forum, not a free speech zone, and commenters are welcome only if they don't rile the proprietor. And some days, he gets riled pretty easily.
Them's my rules and they're not open for discussion.
Kucinich lost me -- forever -- when his fetching wife, in a local interview, said that Dennis would not promise to support the Democratic nominee if he does not win. Unforgivable.
Don't try to justify it: You'll only piss me off. UNFORGIVABLE.
Lizzie immediately went off my lust list.
Although the accent and the red hair still slay me.
'I'll always vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter what he or she stands for'. Principled? You wouldn't think that about Labour if you were in Britain, Joseph!
Millions of decent people in America tell pollsters they want the Bushites impeached. Millions, often without any previous political background, gave up their time to work for Gore and Kerry victories, only to see the Repuglicans win by cheating and the Democratic candidates extol the legitimacy of the cheats. That's not to mention the global Repuglican-Democratic cooperation in the National Endowment for Democracy and its 'colour revolutions' and other imperialist psy-ops campaigns.
It's about time people told the media and the pols to stick their election where the sun don't shine, and start to try other means than parliamentary democratic passivity dressed up as activism or involvement.
'The World Can't Wait' had it right. Sure it was probably the pseudo-opposition to the pseudo-opposition, and completely safe, but...
Kucinich isn't the answer; neither is Clinton or whoever. Nobody is the answer. Vote for Nobody. Nobody will tell you the truth.
Personally I think the Republican candidate or Bloomberg will win.
b
Thanks for your interest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0MFiceafq4
First Mike Gravel was removed from the debate stages. To my senses, Gravel and Kucinich usually upstaged the rest of the field, also the hotdog moderators. Kucinich on the Patriot Act: "I read it". Merely being themselves, Gravel and Kucinich made the others look scripted, safe, and -- what? conservative? Republican? moronic? It was getting embarrassing, they were getting cheers and applause.
DK's youthful idealism hasn't wavered in 25 years, and now he's fairly mainstream. His absolutism here and there is all that separates him from his fellow mainstream contenders. This time, DK has genuine competition. There's not a whole lot of reason to support him apart from his personality and character, both of which can be fairly admired or mocked. But it's just not his night, again. He wouldn't be a 'first in our history' like a Hillary, a Barack, or a Bill would be a first. Way up on top of what means 'politics' and 'political' are the notions of gender and heritage, and well, it's how it is. The watchamacallit's always the last to know. Support the campaign troops! Get out the vote!
Did anyone see that panel discussion at U of Oklahoma, with NYC Mayor Bloomberg, former Senators Hart, Nunn, Boren (the Sooners president and the host), Cohen, and Hagel, Leach, and some others, all of Cheney's generation? They looked like Civil War veterans. They sounded like The Defeated.
You know, many 'voters' voted for Bush because they thought he was his father, literally. Are there any survey numbers to show how many 'voters' believe that Dennis Kucinich and Newt Gingrich are inextricably linked in their minds for the -ich markers? ("More data!" -- Goethe)
Nice try, "b."
The Republican candidate doesn't have a shot here. It's more obvious to me now than it's ever been. And why not? As Joe has posted before, the GOP, the neo-cons, the Pentagon and the mainstream media are trying their collective god-damned best to make sure all of the worst scandals, (particularly the economic and miliary ones) hit the proverbial fan under a Democratic Administration. No Republican face is going to be on television to take the fall for this shit.
Jen - surely they'd be in a safer position, i.e. safer from being prosecuted and going to jail, if they were still in government? Or do you think Clinton will sign pardons for Cheney etc., the way Ford did for Nixon? I'd be interested to hear you explain your scenario. Please could you factor in an explanation of why the leading Democrats are not CURRENTLY all ganging up to call for prosecutions, either for war crimes or for corruption.
Sure, I know lawyers are working away. But 'leave it to the lawyers' didn't help when the Repuglicans stole two elections...
Too many people are too fixated on the next election. I've seen this before, Jen - in the UK in the 1980s when there was a dream that all you had to do was give it 'one more push' for a Labour victory. In the meantime conditions were pushed further and further into the doo-doo. Elections are BS. They even held one in June 1968 in France. The Gaullists won! But power lies on the streets and in the workplaces.
Deighved - just a quick comment on your idea that every heterosexual man and lesbian woman on the planet has fantasies about some American politician's wife. You don't think you're being a little US-centric? Most people on the planet have never heard of either her or her husband! Out of every 20 people, 19 don't live in the US.
b
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