Friday, March 09, 2007

911: The Israeli angle

Briefly: This piece by Christopher Ketcham relates what we know about the mysterious Israeli "movers" and "art students" who, it is alleged, played a role in the 911 disaster. Perhaps they were observers, perhaps they were participants, but on some level, they knew:
They had not been told the reasons for their arrest. Yet, according to DeCarlo's report, "this officer was told without question by the driver [Sivan Kurzberg],'We are Israeli. We are not your problem.Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.'" Another of the five Israelis, again without prompting, told Officer DeCarlo ­- falsely ­- that "we were on the West Side Highway in New York City during the incident". From inside the vehicle the officers, who were quickly joined by agents from the FBI, retrieved multiple passports and $4,700 in cash stuffed in a sock. According to New Jersey's Bergen Record, which on September 12 reported the arrest of the five Israelis, an investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy stated that officers had also discovered in the vehicle "maps of the city with certain places highlighted. It looked like they're hooked in with this", the source told the Record, referring to the 9/11 attacks. "It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."
And:
What is perhaps most damning is that the Israelis' celebration on the New Jersey waterfront occurred in the first sixteen minutes after the initial crash, when no one was aware this was a terrorist attack. In other words, from the time the first plane hit the north tower, at 8:46 a.m., to the time the second plane hit the south tower, at 9:02 a.m., the overwhelming assumption of news outlets and government officials was that the plane's impact was simply a terrible accident. It was only after the second plane hit that suspicions were aroused. Yet if the men were cheering for political reasons, as they reportedly told the FBI, they obviously believed they were witnessing a terrorist act, and not an accident.

After returning safely to Israel in the late autumn of 2001, three of the five New Jersey Israelis spoke on a national talk show that winter. Oded Ellner, who on the afternoon of September 11 had, like his compatriots, protested to arresting officer Sgt. Dennis Rivelli that ‘we're Israeli’, admitted to the interviewer: ‘We are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event’. By his own admission, then, Ellner stood on the New Jersey waterfront documenting with film and video a terrorist act before anyone knew it was a terrorist act.
I can add this. The owner of Urban Moving Systems was a man named Dominik Suter, then all of 31. He fled to Israel like a shot after the arrests of the students. Few people know that young Suter kept a second residence here in Los Angeles. It was an expensive apartment in an upscale area of the San Fernando Valley -- "South of the Boulevard," as we say in the Valley, the Boulevard being Ventura. We less-affluent northerners refer to those living in the hills of the south as SOBs. At any rate, few 31 year-old non-citizens could have afforded Suter's pad as a primary residence, let alone as a second home on the other side of the country.

The Israeli "moving company" scam deserved greater attention than it has ever received, and not just in the context of 911. Basically, the "students" would quote a low-ball price to get a gig. Once the furniture was loaded into the trucks, the movers would demand a much higher price before releasing the furniture. If the customer did not cough up, they kept the goods in a warehouse. This scam was played out all across the country; numerous complaints and legal actions resulted. I think most such operations have been shut down. If you know otherwise, please tell me.

The Israeli "art students" -- suspected of being spies, since they were often seen skulking around DEA offices on flimsy pretexts -- were also a strange lot. Many of them had multiple addresses, which is very odd when you consider that they were supposed to be ill-to-do students working illegally. One, based on the East Coast (as I recall), kept a mail drop at a Mailboxes, Etc. on Ventura Blvd., a couple of miles down the road from Suter's palatial digs. Another kept an apartment within walking distance of Suter's on the north side of the Boulevard.

For a while, these "art students" sold their crummy paintings (knock-offs of Thomas Kinkaide and Michelangelo, made by an assembly line in China) in front of the Sears in the Northridge Mall. I tried to chat up one of the girls working the booth; she seemed nice, but distant. Aside from admitting that she was from Israel, she would discuss nothing involving the operation. I tried speaking to her on a one-artist-to-another level, and quickly became convinced that she had no actual interest in art.

The guys working that spot perpetually glowered at everyone. I can't believe they sold much. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing anyone at that booth making a sale.

(The comments are a no-tranny zone today. You don't like my rules? Go play elsewhere.)

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

My friend put his furniture in storage with this front company, unknowingly, and was lucky to get it back from the FBI months later so I know there was something going on here.

Anonymous said...

There are two angles to 9/11 and every other attack in this country since 1993:

a) The Israeli Spy angle

b) The American-Fascist-FBI-Muslim brotherhood-Neo nazi-informant angle

Watch them chase tail and play grabass and wreck the entire country and the world in the name of MY RACE AND GOD IS BETTER THAN YOURS.

Anonymous said...

sofla said...

My ex had this same problem with a moving company called 'Nice Jewish Boys.' I think it was a problem that somewhat pervaded the moving industry overall, and not just Israeli or Jewish-run companies.

In a tangentially related matter, the US Army War College did a study of the potential deployment of US armed forces along the Green Line or other demarked border between Israel and a Palestinian state as a peacekeeper force, attached to UN forces to be stationed there, and analyzed the players in the region, and any likely issues that could arise as problems there. The summary of their report was published in the Washington Times on 9/10 or 9/11, on the front page below the fold, iirc.

In it, the Mossad, whose motto is 'by deception you shall war' (something like that), is described as 'cunning and ruthless, able to create attacks on US forces and make them appear to be from Arab or Palestinian forces' (a close paraphrase).

How did such an incendiary judgment make it into an official US War College report? Well, Israelis did this before, several times, as when they bombed the King David hotel while wearing traditional Arab garments, or during the so-called Lavon affair. Some have argued that their attack on the USS Liberty during the '67 7 Days War would have been blamed on Egypt or another Arab nation, if only they'd succeeded in sinking the ship and killing any survivors (as they tried for hours, machine-gun strafing the men in the lifeboats in the water, a war crime).

It is interesting to note that among the movers and the art students were current and/or 'retired' Mossad agents, and recently 'retired' IDF soldiers whose specialties included using explosives. It is more interesting still to note that the vans these and other Israelis were apprehended in set off positive reactions in the explosive materials-sniffing dogs (or whatever method was used, I didn't look it up).

Nor was this a unique occurrence. An Israeli involved with the blind Sheik Rahman's '93 WTC attack, who fled the US for Israel in the immediate aftermath of that attack, had a similar strong positive reaction to explosives residue in his apartment.

By host rules, I'll pretend these facts in the public domain do not bring a certain banned topic to mind (grinning, ducking and running!), while muttering under my breath, Galileo-style.

Quoting a modern philosopher, Sean Penn, quoting Huey 'Kingfish' Long, if fascism ever comes to America, it will be in the guise of anti-[Islamo-]fascism (the brackets indicating my interpolation of that word, since the Kingfish, despite his prescience, could not and did not see that particular twist to the thing).

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Anonymous said...

interesting ...u dont think it has anything to do with all that ecstasy? not just dancing while the towers burn, but really, selling chinese paintings and scamming people's furiture?? sounds to me like lotsa great places to stash stuff-- and that may sound like crazy talk but 'Namwise, after the golden triangle got taken over, the US had half a million junkies (up from 20,000 post wwii) and the real prof Alfred McCoy certainly talks about covert complicity, and Freeway Ricky Ross? "the ray crock of crack" pretty much singlehandedly arming the Contras (through poisening americas streets... ask Gary Webb-- oh wait). well, i was just cuious.... and think theres more reality to this question rather than a tranny question

Joseph Cannon said...

The ecstasy idea occurred to me as well. Israel isn't getting tourist dollars the way it used to.

And as for the deleted comment -- man, some trannies just don't get it!

Anonymous said...

I think the fact that these guys were first noticed around DEA offices probably has less to do with ecstasy, and more to do with the fact that the Arabs who allegedly carried out 9/11 were involved in drug smuggling, although I'm not sure what the exact connection is (maybe they were digging for info on these guys?).

Also, there's probably a connection between the Israeli movers/art students and Nick Berg, who certainly seemed like he could have been involved with Mossad from his hijinks in Iraq, and who supposedly allowed Zacarias Moussaoui to send terrorist-related emails from his computer and even gave him his password (despite being a telecommunications expert).

Personally, I think it's quite clear from all available evidence that these Arabs had nothing to do with 9/11 and that these Israelis were basically there to frame them for the job, though obviously we disagree on that...

LeaNder said...

… interesting. I love the local aspect of this story. Maybe since it triggers images of visiting the rather young inheritor of the US inventor of the discount ticket (?that’s what the guy that took me there told me) and his wife high up in the mountains of a valley north of L.A. long, long ago.

Maybe I am naive: But I find it hard to combine a secret service front (paid by public money) with an enterprise that rips people off. Since the latter activity inevitably draws attention ...

What does it tells us that Dominik Suter flees back to Israel? If I try to imagine, I were that business man, involved in not so clean business transactions, and some of my people just got arrested, and were not released in the appropriate time frame. Hmmm?…

What happened to his apartment in upscale San Fernando Valley?

That the people selling the paintings aren’t really interested in art, does not seem to be very peculiar to me. Quite the opposite! This is something I would expect. I watched similar operations over here in Europe. What a pity you did not watch them more closely though, Joseph. Would we be more lucky in this respect if all of them had been good looking girls, nice but not much interested in art?

Anonymous said...

A few thoughts:

1) That moving scam is common across the country and especially in New Jersey. With all due respect, Joe, I'd remove that element because it's a blind alley in an otherwise stellar post, IMHO.

2) If my memory is correct, there were lots of troupes of Israeli "art students" selling this crap. Reports I've seen only have them around federal buildings -- and in them, when they could get away with it -- in particular those with investigative significance. Unlikely sales sites -- no one ever mentions seeing them outside WalMarts or generic street corners. Selling cheap art, itself, isn't weird, but the pattern is ... AND the fact that they all disappeared with a poof on 9/12, didn't they? Israeli art students were doing this for a year or two before 9/11, but who has seen them since?

3) Covert agents from any country have inconsistent access to funds. Ties to drug sales may be worth mention but probably tangential to the main arguments. Some comments seem a bit too insistent on what could be a red herring from the crux of this case.

4) I think this White House would like us to think Nick Berg was part of a plot, but my research into that points to likelihood it was mere coincidence that he sat by Moussaoui (a nut, remember) on the bus (and I don't remember emails to terrorists, exactly, that comment may be overstating). The fact Berg was internationally minded and not afraid to try to make a path as a young entrepreneur in Iraq don't alone raise red flags ... but some seem to insist on this a bit too much, IMHO, despite too little real info. If he was operating undercover for anyone, it was as a stooge for our CIA or Blackwater, which seems to be just the privatized NSA.

Anonymous said...

I recently read a realy startling book that sort of supports your research Cannon. "The Protocols of Zion" is the title and it explains in some historical detail that behind all major strategies of world dominsation is a group of very powerful jews. Bankers, industrailists, lawyers, and rabbis and a smattering of Jewish mystics have been planning in every generation to gain power and sabatoge all resistance.
Appearantly Hitler had read the same book and came to the same conclusions. Yikes!

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute. Nick Berg didn't let Moussaoiu use his computer. The CNN link says it was someone else who later was linked to Moussaoiu, but it doesn't say that person was an art student or mover. Where do you get that info, anonymous?

Also, how does someone send email from a bus? Don't you have to have Internet, or can it be stored and sent later in a way I don't know of. Take the time machine back to when that bus trip in OK would have been (early 2000s or earlier?), and wi-fi wasn't common anywhere, if available at all, and certainly it wouldn't work on a bus. I'm having trouble imagining the scenario described.

Sorry for the distraction from the main point, just wondering.

Anonymous said...

Before I make any comment, what's a "trannie"?

sunny said...

Here is a link to Carl Cameron's 4 part Faux News investigation.

Anonymous said...

sofla said...

Intel agencies have often used front companies, both to generate income, and to launder otherwise obtained income. Part of the 'income generation' methods of at least our own intel groups (and likely, others' as well) include financial frauds on a substantial scale, ranging from a simple 'bust out' operation to complex financial maneuvers you'd need an MBA to understand.

So it isn't surprising to imagine a front company for an intel group engaging in fraud to get increased unaccountable cash flow-- that would be more the standard operating procedure. After all, as Pete Brewton has documented in his book 'The CIA, the Mafia, and George Bush,' even a cursory look without subpoena power at the staggering S&L losses of the late '80s/early '90s period immediately shows a substantial percentage of the losses were CIA or joint CIA/Mafia operations, with the missing purloined funds tracked ultimately to spooky plus mobbed up off-shore bank accounts.

There was nothing subtle about hijacking billions of dollars out of S&Ls, but our intel boys did it anyway, and without consequence or public blame.

Anonymous said...

Honestly, why would an operation funded by Mossad have to shake down normal people for the trivial amount they might get in a moving fee?

And if the 'art students' aren't into selling art what are they supposed to be doing? These people sound more like Irish Travellers than secret agents, or, perhaps more plausibly, a cult associated with the Orthodox crackpots, a sort of Enthusiastic Youth Brigade. If they were a real part of some intelligence operation, hanging around outside buildings is pretty amatuerish.

Anonymous said...

An Enthusiastic Youth Brigade who were trying to connect with Arab drug operations to see what they could get, is what I was driving at, and, lucky them, got advanced word of 9/11.

Anonymous said...

I think it's important to distinguish between Israeli government intelligence operations and what amount to intelligence operations run from, or in association with, the Orthodox settler community and its' wide ramifications and variety of enthusiasts.

For instance there was some strange story of armed Israelis wandering around in government buildings in Mexico City on 9/11, a story so daft most people have just forgotten about it. It would be absolutely implausible for any real intelligence operatives to be doing something like that, but it would be totally in character for enthusiastic amateurs, especially if they're religious maniacs.

Broad generic aspersions only cloud the subject further and can only help and encourage such people.

sunny said...

badrbinbadbush, can you read Spanish?

http://www.pgr.gob.mx/cmsocial/bol01/oct/b69701.html

Anonymous said...

Alas, no.

And Babel Fish produces a masterpiece of confusion.

Anonymous said...

There were stories of Israelis and explosives in Mexico and Argentina

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute. Nick Berg didn't let Moussaoiu use his computer. The CNN link says it was someone else who later was linked to Moussaoiu, but it doesn't say that person was an art student or mover. Where do you get that info, anonymous?


Exactly what the CNN article suggests happened is not clear to me, but somehow emails sent by Moussaoui were tracked to Nick Berg's computer, or email address, or something.


Also, how does someone send email from a bus? Don't you have to have Internet, or can it be stored and sent later in a way I don't know of.


I've had the same question as you, about how emails can be sent from a bus - which is why I think this whole story is a lame excuse. I think Berg was either somehow involved with Moussaoui or else was tracking him and possibly setting him up (with bogus emails relating to terrorist activity).

Either way, we have a suspicious character trailing one of the alleged 9/11 plotters, which sounds quite a lot like the story of the Israeli art students following the alleged hijackers down in Florida. I'm suggesting that there's likely a connection (obviously that's not in the CNN article, which suggests that this is just some kind of spectacular coincidence).

Anonymous said...

Kenj,

Arrested by the sugar unionists, now that's really amatuer hour.

The important thing in that story is the personal involvement of Sharon, the crookedest man Israel has ever seen.

It sounds very unlikely that a Prime Minister would even admit he'd heard of such a thing if it really did involve a government intelligence operation.

On the other hand, if it involved the Orthodox settlers and/or some crime group Sharon did business with, then we can easily see him laying it on thick.

All the crookedness in Israel arises from the Conservatives and the Russians.


The second article you link to is signed Red Kalki, which Wikipedia describes (at the bottom of the article on Kalki),

"There is currently a Neo-Nazi news agency in Argentina that operates under the name Red Kalki, and his leader, Alejandro Biondini (President of the New Triumph Party and founder of Ciudad Libertad de Opinion), has proclaimed he is Kalki."

So I think it's utter horseshit.

Anonymous said...

Yeah- when I moved out of NYC in 2004 I had this Israeli operated moving company too. They didn't scam me financially, but they took far too long to deliver -- almost a month, and they also broke some things. But they deducted the price for what was broken. There does appear to be some strange Israeli Moving thing....still. When I learned they were Israeli (which was after the fact-they conceal it up until the point of pick up), I had to laugh, having known all about the dance and dash movers on 9/11.

Anyway-- the ecstasy question is a very good point--with room for more exploration. I have heard about the Israeli student mall kiosks, but I haven't seen any---but I rarely go to the mall.