Saturday, May 31, 2008

Obi needs a new church

Obama has resigned his membership in Trinity.

Why now? Possible reasons: 1. This move is linked to today's ongoing drama at the Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee (which just approved half-votes for FL and MI). 2. Worse videos are in the offing. 3. The Pfleger/Wright/Farrakhan connection threatens -- for understandable reasons -- to scare off the Jewish vote.

We keep learning more about Pfleger and Farrakhan, none of it good. The video of Pfleger and Farrakhan verbally fellating each other reminds me of that fabled on-stage love-fest between Elijah Muhammed and George Lincoln Rockwell. Check out Pfleger's accent! The guy is a parody of himself.

If McCain publicizes the earmarks Obi gave to Pfreaky Pfleger, the Savior From Illinois can now boldly proclaim: "That was the old me." Remember the "new Nixon"? Meet the new Obama.

(By the way, that mural at Saint Sabina -- the one so beloved by Pfather Pfunky -- is hideous. The black Docetic Jesus is fine: I like the face, although his hands are incompetently drawn. But those oversized mitts flanking him are stupid. I dare you: Try holding your outstretched palms in that position, elbows touching and wrists apart. I guess God the Father is a contortionist. If it were up to me, I'd have de-honkified Him as well.)
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How covenient of BO's early supporters to creat over the top excuses for him to tweak his level of disassociation in response to polling data.

I can see some poor "fall blogger" at KOS going so far over the edge it makes MSM so BO can do a precision denouncement of certain elements of the site yet not let go of his most maniacal supporters.

Not sure what happens next in this Dembacle but I just sent Hillary another 50 bucks. And something 4U2 sir - thx.
 
Pflegler is a Catholic priest. He has nothing to do with Obama.
 
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To know him is to loathe him

The major reason I voted for Obama in the California primary was his electability. Hillary's unfavorability ratings were too high. According to Rasmussen, Obama now has a 53% unfavorable rating, 45% favorable. Hillary's numbers are better, but still grim: 52% unfavorable, 47% favorable. McCain is 46% unfavorable, 52% favorable.

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You are very good at making up joke lyrics to pop songs. How about "Unelectable" sung to the tune of "Unforgettable"?

http://www.links2love.com/love_lyrics_41.htm

Unforgettable, that's what you are
Unforgettable though near or far
Like a song of love that clings to me
How the thought of you does things to me
Never before has someone been more
 
Now, now. If I make use of a song associated with Nat King Cole, I'll be called racist.

Okay, try this:

In November I can clearly see
There’s a map of red from sea to sea


...take it from there.
 
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Despicable (or: "...a sob rose up from her chest...")

From DU, this headline:
Recommend this Thread if You Feel Hillary Should Apologize to The Democratic Party for Her Actions
Sure. Just as soon as Al Gore apologizes for all those "lies" he told in 2000. Besides, I'm still waiting for Bill and Hillary to apologize for the murder of Vince Foster.

I want to see Barack Obama apologize for using tactics exactly similar to those used against Gore in 2000. And I want to see the "progressive" community apologize for spreading those lies.

The Obama camp is still milking the manufactured "RFK" flap, even after Obama himself claimed not to have taken offense. As you know, his camp did a mass emailing of Keith Doberman's absurd "Special Comment."

And now Michelle -- God, I cannot stand that woman! -- continues to play it for all it is worth.

Fifty years from now, historians will quote glop like this to demonstrate just how fanatical and sick the Obama cultists became.
The woman continued: "What can you tell us..." and then her voice caught and broke as a sob rose up from her chest. She paused for a moment. "I'm afraid of what might happen. What can you tell us, after last week's comments--" another sob-- "after last week's comments, to make us feel more at ease?" She cried unabashedly after finally getting out her words.
Oh, for crying out loud. (Literally.) Back in the '70s and '80s, pretty much every pol and his wife were asked about the possibility of assassination. Some of you will remember seeing the same TV interviews that I saw. Yes, the subject is grim, but back then -- in saner times -- people could address it without turning into blubbering, hysterical silly-billies. If Hillary's core supporters are female, why do the Obots all act like they're on the rag?

Michelle's response should be set to music by Verdi:
"We talked about this as a family."

The room remained still and quiet. Imagine having that talk with your children. Then, she paused, gathering herself, pulling herself up, seeming to grow even taller, Michelle, the campaigning wife returns. She says,

"I've talked about this before. Barack is probably safer now than he was before. Kids are dying in the street in our community. They get shot walking to class, sitting in school, taking the bus home. They are dying in the street.... Send us good vibes. Pray for us. Think positive thoughts. But most of all, be vigilant. Be vigilant about stopping this kind of talk. It's not funny. You don't have to like Barack to dislike that kind of talk. Be vigilant about stopping that kind of talk."
Michelle, let's talk about your city. The place where kids are dying in the street.

Right there in your husband's district are tenement buildings purchased by Tony Rezko with your husband's help.

Tony and Barack were partners. They spoke every day. Tony hired Barack out of Harvard and got him a job in a small law firm run by one of his cronies.

Tony's money gave Obama his start in politics. In return, Obama got a cut of nearly every crooked deal run by the Blagojevich/Rezko crime team. Obama sponsored the bill that put the State Hospital Board (which controlled a huge fund) under the control of Blago/Rezko.

They thought they could do whatever they wanted without fear of punishment. Tony believed that his friends in the Bush White House would shut down Patrick Fitzgerald's team of crimebusters. Tony tagged Blago to be the next president so that they could continue their crime spree on a national level. That's why Obama nixed the idea of a presidential run in 2005. Later, Blago got into legal trouble, clearing the way for Obi.

Now let's bring it back to your neighborhood, Michelle.

Tony got $100 million in state funds to provide low-cost housing. He stole money intended to help the poor. He socked away the money overseas, stopped paying mortgages, stopped paying his gas bills, and left his tenants to shiver in the Chicago cold. Those buildings were supposed to be a refuge for the poor; he turned them into a hell within hell, festering with crime and disease. Now, those properties are good only for the wrecking ball.

Meanwhile, YOU live in a mansion, Michelle.

A mansion purchased with the help of Tony Rezko. He bought it for you even though he claims to have no money, having socked away all his ill-gotten gains overseas. One of his filthy overseas partners -- a man notorious for ripping off Iraqi reconstruction funds -- provided Tony with the cash that bought your damn house.

And now, Michelle, you dare to talk about the crime in your neighborhood.

Despicable.

Bill Clinton's administration channeled hundreds of millions of dollars into black communities. As near as I can tell, the only black people ever aided by Barack and Michelle Obama are named Barack and Michelle Obama.
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I can think of two other black people aided by B/M: Sahsha and Malia. Isn't she supposed to be tough? Isn't Michelle the one who wanted to beat up on Bill? Aren't they the ones who went on & on about Hilary's fake crying? And here's a lawyer, who works for goons, crying because she needs to be protected from HRC???? All i can see with the "Change" party is one finger pointed at the opponent and three pointing right back at 'em...
 
If the Democratic bigwigs allow this fraud to win the Democratic nomination, it can only be concluded the party is deliberately throwing this presidential election to the Republicans in hopes of winning in 2012. Of course this is likely to backfire depending on who McCain's running mate is. I don't expect McCain to run for a second term, should he win in the fall.
 
Tony and Barack were partners. They spoke every day. Tony hired Barack out of Harvard and got him a job in a small law firm run by one of his cronies.

Tony's money gave Obama his start in politics. In return, Obama got a cut of nearly every crooked deal run by the Blagojevich/Rezko crime team. Obama sponsored the bill that put the State Hospital Board (which controlled a huge fund) under the control of Blago/Rezko.


I'm able to accept most of the above as probably true, but this now repeated claim that BHO got 'a cut' from all or most of the corruption seems unlikely and unsupported by any evidence I've seen to date.

Is '$10,000.00' the sum total of all the 'cut' BHO got, since that is the only money number I've seen claimed for BHO's 'take' (from Fitzpatrick's indictment)? If it isn't (seems too small, unless his take was a miniscule percentage number), where is the rest of the money he supposedly got?

Nor does it make sense, in my mind. You do not have to 'cut in' a young, no-name fledgling politician for points on any and all corruption stemming from his help to you (a flat rate, low five-figure sum seems about right for that). If you were getting somebody powerful in Chicago, say, a Dan Rostenkowski, chairman of the semi-all-powerful Ways and Means Committee, then of course, such a figure could command an on-going percentage for his part in your corruption. But a junior startup like BHO? Somebody like that should have been cheap to buy.

My question isn't hostile, but more a request for what additional information there may be to support this claim that BHO got his cut from most or all these deals, specifically as to monies received from this alleged kickback share.

...sofla
 
sof, I'm sorry to ask you look again at Pringle's "Curtain Time" series, but it's easier to read that than to go through several dozen online news stories. That $10K was, as I recall, from the teacher's union board, and it stood out because it was just a direct contribution.

But there were plenty of other businessmen doing the "pay to play" thing. If you check the repeated motif in Pringle's work, they would give Blago a certain amount and then give Obama a fraction of that amount -- anywhere from 1/10th to one-third. It was a pattern.

The pattern held true even for the Las Vegas firm that got caught up in all all this -- Crystal Communications. I've been looking into that story and should have something up on it next week. That's the story with the dead body in it.

Meanwhile, meditate on this: Why would a firm in Vegas be giving money to the campaign of an Illinois state senator?
 
"Then, she paused, gathering herself, pulling herself up, seeming to grow even taller..."

This is the part that simultaneously makes me want to laugh and vomit. Rational adults would be embarrassed to write such ridiculous purple prose. Obamamaniacs? Not so much.
 
http://minx.cc/?post=262829

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that last summer Illinois Senator Barack Obama told officials in the Teamsters union that he favored ending the Independent Review Board (IRB) created in 1989 by the federal government to rid the union of organized crime. ((Actually THAT was a "deal" cut with the Clinton White House to allow the Union to "police itself" as an alternative to being disbanded by the Justice Department.)) Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for Obama, confirmed the story, saying that the candidate believed that the IRB had "run its course" because "organized crime influence in the union has drastically declined."

The Teamsters subsequently endorsed Obama for president, in late February.

If there is continuing mob influence in the Teamsters, it is probably centered in the Chicago area, and in the last decade, the Teamsters in Chicago have shown little enthusiasm for rooting out corruption in their ranks. As a veteran Chicago politician surrounded by a veteran Chicago campaign staff, Obama had to have known this -- and that makes his warm words to the Teamsters all the more disturbing.
 
I'll take another look; thanks, Joe.

...sofla
 
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Friday, May 30, 2008

More about Obama's favorite priest

A couple of posts down, we discuss the hate-filled, anti-Hillary, anti-white rant offered by the bizarre Father Michael Pfleger, a priest at Saint Sabina's in Chicago. Pfleger -- a white priest leading a predominantly black church -- is Obama's other spiritual mentor.

Pfleger is known for his ludicrous and insulting attempts to mimic the oratorical style of a black Baptist preacher. He comes across a bit like Ben Stein trying to imitate Little Richard.

This guy has quite a history. Angered by a Chicago gun shop owner named John Riggio, Pfleger offered this threat in public:
We’re going to find you and snuff you out … you know you’re going to hide like a rat... We’re going to snuff out John Riggio, we’re going to snuff out legislators that are voting against our gun laws. We're coming for you...
Obama remained friendly with the priest even after this unconscionable outburst. The Senator is going to have an even more difficult time convincing gun owners that he favors their rights to bear arms.

Father Pfleger is also part of the corrupt Illinois "Combine":
He gave Obama's campaign $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs.
"Pay to play" meets "Pay to pray." (You should read this entire article -- Obama sure knows how to help those who contribute to his fund.)

Priests in Chicago are usually rotated out of a church after six years, but Pfleger has held onto his job by threatening to start his own religion if his superiors make any attempt to silence him. I say let him go. The Catholic Church has lasted 2000 years; Pfleger's proposed new cult probably won't last 2000 days.
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A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James

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I heard Pfleger today and thought he was definitely channeling Sam Kinnison. Scary, since he wasn't kidding, one guesses.
 
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Racism? Yeah. Gotta be. That's the ONLY possible answer.

According to Pew research (by way of these fine folks),
Forty-nine percent of white women view Obama unfavorably, while only 43 percent hold a favorable opinion. In February, 36 percent of these women viewed Obama unfavorably, while 56 percent had a positive perception of the likely Democratic nominee.
Obviously, racism is increasing. People were simply less bigoted in February than they are right now.

Yeah. Must be. It can't possibly have anything to do with the daily hate-fests we see on TV and on the major blogs.

By the way: Taylor Marsh, after making note of Obama's history of hardball politics, makes an interesting point:
Resuscitating another oldie but goodie, you can also wonder how Ryan's sealed divorce papers suddenly appeared so the press could pour over them. Then, poof! Ryan was out of the race, and Obama is running unopposed until Alan Keyes shows up, only to get beat like a politician who comes out against apple pie. Yeah, that was all just an accident.
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HOPE CHANGE means loophole Obambi's administration will see to it that other similarly unqualified candidates actually do "marinate" before annoying us with their anxious aspirations.

For a guy who can't bowl Gomers IQ you have to admire the "Audacity".

Now can you spare some "CHANGE" so Michelle's kids can get private piano lessons?
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You know, I've been getting some completely nutzoid comments lately. All of them come from Obots. Almost all of them get deleted after I've read the first line.

But the comment above is the maddest I've gotten in quite a while -- and I honestly don't know if the author is an Obama admirer or opponent!
 
..at least the kids are into politics, and may even vote this time around (and if you ask me-- which you didn't* Baba O'Reilly up there is an antibot, unless you think "Loophole Obami" is a term of endearment...)



*and no, you didn't ask me, but since i used to be consider my comments some of your weirder ones i thought I'd chime in...
 
How could BHO obtain and/or force the leaked release of the divorce records?

...sofla
 
sof: Blago.
 
Reliable sources tell Cannonfire via:

Taylor Marsh
mydd
Larry whatshisname
and now
bubba hussein O'Reilly
that
Obama has "kuddies"
I am afraid, very afraid
 
I had to look that one up in the invaluable Urban Dictionary, which is how we Old Farts keep up with the kids and their newfangled lingo. "Kuddies" means "girls." I gather it's the new "chicks."

Larry whatzisname was saying something quite different.

By the way, beeta, you must realize that your message is quite mad. That said, it's not quite as insane as some of the other stuff I've received lately.
 
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Thursday, May 29, 2008

Another "crazy uncle": Obama, Farrakhan, Father Pfleger and "hate crimes"


The one good thing to come out of the silly "Auschwitz flap" is the rather useful image conjured up by Barack Obama: The "crazy uncle in the attic."

Apparently, the Savior From Illinois has devoted much of his life to storing up a formidable supply of "crazy uncles." Indeed, we might consider Kos and DU to be one gigantic attic stuffed with crazy uncles -- people who are so insane that they cannot stop spewing hatred of Hillary, even though doing so can only hurt their candidate's chances in the general election.

Father Michael Pfleger -- a longtime associate and supporter of Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farrakhan -- has shambled down from his upstairs chamber, taken the pulpit at Trinity United, and delivered unto Obama's opponents yet another early Christmas present.

Not only is Pfleger a certifiable loon, he is one of the grandest hypocrites since Jim Jones. He claims solidarity with black people, yet he has strong political ties to the Blagojevich/Rezko machine which has profited from the sufferings of poor African Americans.

(More about that below.)

As you know, I've often spoken out against Catholic-bashing in these cyber-pages. But in this case, let's make an exception. This man is pathetic. Though Pfleger is of German-American ancestry (I picture his grandfather as a Bundist tuning in every week to Coughlin), anyone watching this video will see that he desperately wants to be considered an "honorary black."

I don't get it. Some blacks are still pissed off at Bo Derek because, in a movie filmed nearly 30 years ago, she wore her hair in cornrows. (I'm not kidding: Feel the still-lingering hate here.) So why aren't African Americans offended when Pfleger offers this insulting caricature of a black preacher? Clearly, the oratorical style he adopts here is not natural to him. That fact becomes obvious toward the end, when he briefly drops the disguise and uses his normal voice.

I'm reminded of the phrase so often used to describe Al Gore: The man is not comfortable in his own skin.

The same can be said about Barack Obama (remember his weird fascination with the cover shot for Black Like Me?) and Jeremiah Wright. Take away Wright's false sense of racialized victimhood, and the guy just wouldn't have an act.

Pfleger has defended Wright:
"Dr. Wright is one of the great biblical scholars of our country and the best of preachers in the prophetic tradition. Dr. Wright has been shamefully demonized by 30 second sound bites that have tried to re-define him into someone other than who he is."
No sale, Father. We watched Wright speak for far longer than 30 seconds at his press meet-up not so long ago. The guy dug his own grave.

By the way, Father -- is Wright really a great "Biblical scholar"?

Oh, but of course. One cannot open up a book by Bart Ehrman or John Dominic Crossan without seeing dozens of citations of Wright's works. Just last month, when I was having trouble translating an unusual bit of Koine, my old prof at UCLA told me: "Wow. This is way over my head. We've gotta get Jeremiah Wright in on this, pronto!"

The aspect of Pfleger's sermon that had me steaming like a teakettle is his presumption that all white people live luxuriously and have over-stuffed retirement accounts, purchased at the expense of black slave labor.

No sale, Father.

I'm white and living in poverty -- genuine poverty. So are a lot of other white people (and black and brown people) these days. In nearby Santa Barbara, the city has set aside two parking lots for use by homeless folk living in their cars -- and many of those Dodge-dwellers are as pale as you are, Pfleger. Meanwhile, your pals Wright, Farrakhan and Obama live in mansions.

I fired up Google and looked into Pfleger. Here's the gold mine.

The famously corrupt Governor Rod Blagovich appointed Pfleger to a hate crimes commission. Blago also appointed one Sister Claudette Marie Muhammad, a "minister of protocol" to Louis Farrakhan.
...she was under the radar until she invited other commissioners to attend a Farrakhan speech last month.

Criticism of Muhammad mounted after the speech, which included references to "Hollywood Jews" promoting homosexuality and "other filth."
I think it fair to conclude that the lady and her minister are both anti-Semitic and anti-gay. This, from a person on the hate crimes commission.

Three Jewish members of the commission -- quite understandably -- quit. They were supported in this decision by pretty much the entire Jewish community in Chicago.

Claudette Muhammed's response was classic:

"For those who try to condemn me because of the honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan's remarks ... which were perceived by some as anti-Semitic, it's ridiculous..."

"Perceived by some."
Can you freaking buh-lieve the arrogance of this woman? Leonard Muhammed is Farrakhan's Chief of Staff:
"They need to come back or shut up," Leonard Muhammad said.

"And leave me alone," Claudette Muhammad chimed in.
On the radio, she added:
"Please know I am not the victimizer here, OK, but instead I am the victim," she said.
She's the victim? Arrogance! PURE FUCKING ARROGANCE!

And how did Father Pfleger weigh in?
Pfleger said "good riddance" to the people who had left the commission.

"Leave, go ahead and go on out, we don't need that kind of a spirit or mentality and a narrowness on that kind of commission. I'm glad they're gone," Pfleger said.
This attitude exemplifies the Obot mentality. Pfleger plays the perpetual victim, but he is himself filled with rancor, divisiveness, amorphous rage and self-loathing.

As the above video clip demonstrates, he projects his own sins onto the Clintons. Contrary to his claims, no evidence suggests that Bill and Hillary Clinton have ever been motivated by a sense of "white entitlement." Even though sheer repetition of that canard has made it an article of faith within the progressive community, a lie repeated is still a lie.

FACT 1: Bill Clinton brought hundreds of millions of dollars into black communities.

FACT 2: Pfleger has not criticized Blagojevich and Tony Rezko, who have repeatedly victimized blacks and profited from their sufferings.


This whole Chicago mob is vile. A small team of slick operators has learned how to capitalize on black alienation even as they pick the pockets of the very African Americans they claim to love. When will the black community wake up and understand that they're being used?

The loudmouths telling you what you want to hear are always -- always -- the people you should mistrust first.

Pfleger cites the legacy of Malcolm X, yet remains a staunch ally of Louis Farrakhan.

No sale, Father.

Did you ever get a chance to ask Betty Shabazz for her thoughts about who killed Malcolm? Are you familiar with the things that Farrakhan has said on that subject over the years? Doesn't the assassination of Malcolm X count as a hate crime?

The entire black nationalist movement is anti-liberal, anti-(d)Democratic (note the large and small "D") and anti-progressive (if we use the old definition of "progressive;" in recent years, "progressive" has become a euphemism for "Libertarian"). Before WWII, the Nation of Islam was fervently anti-union and anti-New Deal. During the war, they received covert funds from the Bund. After the war, Elijah Muhammed teamed up with neo-Nazi leader George Lincoln Rockwell. Malcolm X -- a late convert to socialism -- came to understand that the NOI was and is a fascist movement. That's the real reason why he left -- and why he was killed.

Recently, Farrakhan said of Obama: "When the Messiah comes, the youth will listen. When the Messiah comes, the youth will listen." Tell me, Father Pfleger, has the Vatican changed its longstanding policy on the identity of the Messiah?

Pfleger later apologized for the remarks captured in the video clip shown above:
"These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama’s life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them.”
No sale, father. I've been reading Obot commentary for months now, and I think your hate-filled, anti-rational guff was entirely consistent with Obama's message.

By the way, padre: When offering a mea culpa, you aren't allowed to use the word "if." In the spirit of exomologesis (yeah, I know most of those ten-dollar words), may I humbly suggest that you go fuck yourself in the ass with a barb-wire dildo until you feel true repentance?

(And if I have to do another hundred years in Purgatory for that parting shot, so be it.)
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Thanks for noting the Pfleger support to Claudette Muhammed.

Talk about some Liberals buring unpleasant stuff.
 
I didn't know Ang Lee and E. Annie Proulx were Jewish.
 
To repent means that you have reached a point in your spiritual awareness, where it would never again occur to you to do (or say) what you did (or said) to need forgiveness. (I have an undergrad minor in Religion from TCU; Yea rah for me).

To explain, I usually ask people if they ever, as children, burned ants under a magnifying glass. Would they do that as adults? They all answer: No! Because it's cruel, and it's wrong, of course. And they're all sorry they ever did that.

And that's true, Biblical repentance.

Thanks for the intelligent post!
 
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Arianna Huffington: Behind the scenes

I've been an Arianna-watcher for a long time, probably before you ever heard of her. I knew all about Mike and MSIA before the rumors ever hit print. Now this "former" Libertarian Republican has become another pseudo-progressive dividing the Democratic party with a GOP-style smear campaign.

I wrote about her not long ago in a piece titled Being Arianna, which discussed -- among many things -- allegations that plagiarized passages appear in her books on Picasso and Maria Callas.

I always like to hear from people formerly close to this "progressive" powerhouse. My last piece prompted some interesting feedback from within the Huffington Post operation:
Arianna is obsessed with celebrities. It was all "Stop the presses!" if any minor personality wanted to contribute to the site. ("Pam Dawber wants to write about restless leg syndrome?! Sign her up!") She reminded me of acquaintances I know who will embarrass themselves horribly to rub elbows with even minor stars. But what's worse than the star-fucking was that the message almost always took a back seat to celebrity. Say someone who was relatively unknown but highly knowledgeable wrote a really good blog on an important but somewhat low-profile issue and managed to get a spot on the front page, but then a few minutes later, some C-lister like seamstress Donna Karan submitted a mediocre, inevitably self-indulgent puff piece. What do you think would happen? Yep. So long bird flu expert; Hello, DKNY Me! Me! Me!
Yep. That sounds about right.
There was always the sense that the whole thing was about attention for Arianna, never the issues. She never seemed to talk about them in a way that suggested she ever really cared about a progressive agenda -- there was never any true passion in her voice. She always spoke with the eager, smart-alecky tone of the debate team captain planning arguments for the next contest. You know, in fact, I'd bet if Hollywood's political leanings suddenly veered sharply to the right, the Huffington Post would be printing pieces in support of waterboarding and George W. Bush. Maybe Chuck Norris would be her newest pet celebrity-blogger.

She'd flip out if the comment moderators let through any comment that was even remotely critical of her or one of the celebrity bloggers. Emails would fly and then the staff would scramble to figure out who had let the offending comment through.
Here's something else that found its way into my inbox. (I won't reveal the name of the sender.) I found this data particularly interesting, given what we know of the lady's literary history:
One day Roy Sekoff called in to the office about something or other. At one point in the conversation, he mentioned that he was working on Arianna's blog for the next day. I don't remember the exact context of the comment, but I was pretty surprised to hear that he was "working on" her blog in light of the accusations that had been made against Arianna in the past.

Sure, Sekoff could have just meant that he was doing research, but when he made that comment, a lot of stuff finally seemed to make sense.

Prior to that time, I would marvel at Arianna's ability to write a new in-depth blog almost every day. It seemed almost uncanny, considering she was always at a party, taping, event, dinner with Bill Maher, or on the phone, intercom, or BlackBerry micromanaging every person in the office and household. Up until then, I'd just figured she was remarkably prolific.
Sad news, this. Arianna Huffington can be a captivating writer. Perhaps we should view her ouvre as a "workshop" effort -- rather like the paintings of Rubens?

This next bit is cute:
She never really drives that Prius. At least she didn't while I was around. She would have someone call a service, and they would send over a driver to cart her around in the Prius. So the reduction in her carbon footprint would likely be offset by the driver having to be driven to and from her place, presumably in a giant gas-sucking limo. Some big environmentalist.
If you have any inside poop on any one of my most "beloved" bloggers -- MM is of particular interest -- then please let me know. I will protect your identity, and I won't publish your words without permission.
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A superior observation.
May I add this for Ms. Huffy?

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Charming post by Rev and Stimpy.

I happen to like Arianna and find her blog well worth reading.
 
Does she know about your secret affections? Have you told her? If she does not puke on your shoes can I?
 
Reubens? That's no Reubens, see the R/S for proof? That's not even Vasarely. It's at best Kostabiworld (or KosStabiinthebackworld)...
 
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Wednesday, May 28, 2008

Barack Obama's college days

The subject of this post is (probably) not important, so please don't pretend that I'm mounting an attack or making sinister insinuations. A blog may discuss a molehill as well as a mountain.

I've noted a couple of odd things about Barack Obama's college days in Los Angeles, as related in this piece in the the Confluence.

Obama spent his teen years in Hawaii, where he was, by all reports, not a standout as a high school student. In 1979, on full scholarship, he transfered to Occidental College, located in Eagle Rock, a suburb of Los Angeles, CA. Aside from playing basketball -- he was a top scorer -- he spent two years eating pizza, getting high, BS-ing with friends and putting off his assignments until the last moment. In short, he was typical.

Why Occidental? It is an admired and respected liberal arts college. But in the 1970s, most ambitious youths in Los Angeles considered Occidental a second choice school, after UCLA or USC. Surely institutions of comparable prestige exist on the Hawaiian islands...? I've seen no indication that he held a job during his college years. A school in Hawaii would have meant lower tuition, which would have left more scholarship money for living expenses.

In his book Dreams From My Father, he says that he went to Occidental “mainly because I’d met a girl from Brentwood while she was vacationing in Hawaii.”

Los Angeles is a massive place. The posh enclave of Brentwood -- within walking distance of UCLA -- is many miles away from Eagle Rock. If UCLA was impossible, Santa Monica Community College is close enough. UCLA was quite cheap for California residents back then -- around $275 a quarter. (It's a lot more now!) Out-of-state students paid a much higher tuition. I recall hearing that Occidental was also rather expensive. (My memory may be faulty on that point.)

After two years, Obama went to Columbia University, an Ivy League school in New York. An Oxy professor who wrote a recommendation for him later told a reporter only that Obama sometimes turned assignments in late.

I suspect that something is hidden in this resume -- not necessarily a dark and disturbing something, but something.

Obama may have received an athletic scholarship, which he may now consider an embarrassment. The scholarship may have reflected his race -- another fact he may now prefer not to discuss. He may have fudged his residency in order to receive an in-state tuition -- not an impossible thing to do if you have a relative or close friend living in your "target" area. He may have received more financial help from his grandparents than he now cares to discuss.

I'd also like to know how someone with a less-than-stellar academic record can finish up his undergrad career at Columbia. It is widely reported that Obama came under the wing of the fiercely anti-Russian Zbigniew Brzezinski at Columbia. At Occidental, he may have taken classes with a certain Professor of Politics who had been one of the CIA's chief experts on the Soviet Union. It is not unreasonable to suspect that this professor knew Brzezinski and recommended Obama.
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Well lets see. First, Occidental College was one of the best colleges in California. Girlfriend or not, it would have been a much better choice than any school in Hawaii by a long shot. Second, what's the point? So what if he got an athletic scholarship in to Columbia. Finally, the well must be dry if you're now resorting to this benign narrative without inference. And that's a good thing ... not that Obama is that much different than HRC. Just maybe this blog will return to fine form instead of this compulsive effort to make Obama much more interesting than he is.
 
When I wrote, I knew that I would receive a comment EXACTLY like yours, from someone who would pretend not to have read my first paragraph. And I also predicted that this response would come from someone who remained bravely, ever-so-bravely, anonymous.
 
I did read the first paragraph. I also read the last: ". It is widely reported that Obama came under the wing of the fiercely anti-Russian Zbigniew Brzezinski at Columbia. At Occidental, he may have taken classes with a certain Professor of Politics who had been one of the CIA's chief experts on the Soviet Union." Now that sounds simi - "sinister" to me: (Websters) "3: singularly evil or productive of evil" You're only implying the possiblity Obama might took a course from a top CIA expert;or that he didn't; or that he did but went surfing instead of being influenced. In addition, the CIA is not "singularly" anything. So, while failing to embrace "sinister," you did take a half step in that direction. But you did get the "Obama" and "CIA" implication out there. Not 1/2 bad.
 
PUNAHOU BRAT

Puhanou School (Oahu) is reserved for previliged, pamperboys who wouldn't venture past the parking area on the North Shore for fear of being stomped by surf gangs.

A visit to this (Puhahou) spawning pool for blodclot softboys and chronic bed soiler titty addicts should be all anyone needs to learn about Obambi's "street cred". They are laughing their asses off at Tropical Rush (N.S. surf shop)

This candidacy isn't about becoming an agent of "Change" but getting even for the highschool bathroom wedgies and bitch slapping by the locals for being such a haole jagoff.

Nuke 'em Danno!

<>_<>
 
Hey Joe,
I think you are being trolled by Rant v Stumpy.
Did you let him in for a reason?
 
Even I am sort of at a loss to understand why these discrepencies in Obama's past are significant, Joseph. Unless you think that perhaps he's going to be left open to charges that he's a socialist.
 
Didn't say they WERE significant, Jen.

I'm guessing, just guessing, that when the guy's autobiography is properly written, we will have an as-yet-unknown small embarrassment pop up here. Such as: He got a massive scholarship without reporting income he was getting from his grandparents. That sort of thing.
 
I believe that this subject is very important and should not be taken lightly... who funded Barack with his scholarships and how did he get into Columbia when he was a marginal student... was he picked, pruned and funded long ago by a unknown group for this presidency?
 
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High camp

In truth, I can't take the Obama/Auschwitz flap very seriously -- although part of me wants to record a mock-Olbermann Special Comment in tones of Keith-esque high dudgeon: "How DARE you, sir?"

In the spirit of giggles, I must discuss the latest development. The Sainted One's surrogates now say that Obama's uncle -- the one who helped to liberate Auschwitz, the one who later spent six months in an attic -- was really a Great Uncle who was with the 89th when they liberated Buchenwald. I know what you're asking: What is his name? What is his name? His name is Charlie Payne.

Problem number uno: The 89th did not liberate Buchenwald.

Problem number two-o: Charlie was in the Navy.

Did Barack Obama make up the whole thing? OMG! Get this to Keith!

How might a Kos or DU writer discuss this matter? Hm. Let me attempt a pastiche:

"I thought that the Senator had plumbed the depths of human atrocity before, but I never thought that any living human being could verbally soil himself to such a noxious degree. He literally cannot open his mouth without expectorating excrement on anyone unfortunate enough to stand nearby. Not only must he be stripped of his delegates, not only must he be kicked out of the Democratic party in disgrace, he must be driven from the North American continent and forced to wander the desert for the rest of his days with the word LIAR branded on his forehead. As he wanders, a task force of evil leprachauns will continually spit on him while jabbing him with plastic salad forks and reading unfunny jokes from Reader's Digest. This subhuman demon is a murderous MONSTER FROM HELL who obviously hopes to FALSIFY THE HISTORY OF THE WORST CRIME IN HISTORY -- and that makes him WORSE THAN HITLER HIMSELF!"

Did I capture the flavor? Now that I think about it, the average Kos writer really does sound like...

...well, like a crazy uncle in the attic.
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HAS OBAMA CONSORTED WITH YOU, CANNON?
IF NOT THEN HE CERTAINLY HASN'T PLUMBED THE DEPTHS OF HUMAN ATROCITY!
 
There is an 89th Infintry web site that says the great uncle was in that unit. Your link says Navy. Who knows?
 
Hey Joe. Don't know if Charles (he prefers that to Charlie, according to his brother Jon) was in the Navy or the Army, but the 89th did liberate Ohrdruf, which was a subcamp of Buchenwald. In fact, the liberation of Ohrdruf took place several days before the liberation of the main Buchenwald camp and was the first concentration camp that American troops liberated. The scenes there were so horrid that Gen. Eisenhower wrote back to Marshall in Washington that Patton refused to enter one room where the naked bodies of about 40 men who died from starvation were found.

Now, Jon Payne didn't say whether his brother was serving with the 89th, but he did say he was in the Army and brought back photgraphs from concentration camps.

I don't blame you for not taking this very seriously. It annoyed the crap out of me yesterday when it came out (and you know I'm not a blind Bot). But it ticked me off to see my own news organization acting like the PR arm of the RNC over it.
 
Mebbe, mebbe not.

http://www.kshs.org/genealogists/military/wwiiveteransresults.php?page=364&branch=A

"I am confused. I thought the Great Uncle’s name was/is Ralph W. E.. Dunham, Jr., brother of Obama’s grandfather, Stanley A. Dunham. Ralph was inducted on May 28, 1942 in Kansas (record with the Kansas Historical Society WWII records as Ralph E Dunham Jr) and served with the 89th when they liberated Ohrdruf, a smaller camp that was part of Buchenwald.

"Charlie Payne is a new name to me since yesterday. What’d I miss?

(response)

"The reason Charlie E. Payne comes into play is that Burton who represents the Obama campaign said at Politico that the great uncle in question is from the grandmother side of the family tree. So that eliminates both the grandfather and his older brother who served in the army unless Burton got his facts wrong.

"RiehlWorld has tracked the records for the grandmother and she has a brother named Charles E. Payne, however Kansas records for WWII vets show no army record for that name but they do show a Navy record under that name. Few would disagree that the Navy was not likely involved in freeing the camps directly.

However one commentor at another site has found an army name match for Payne but the birth year is off by a few and it is from a DC database rather than the Kansas history.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the-89th-divisions-website

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A Charles *W* (not E.) Payne, born "about" 1924, was identified as Obama's maternal great-uncle in a genealogy at:

http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_two.htm

[The given name "Charles" occurs several times in the same line, and Charles "T" possibly twice.]

http://genforum.genealogy.com/payne/messages/7018.html

"Barack Obama's Payne ancestry can be traced back only to Solomon (Salmon) Payne, born in NY, circa 1796. He married Elizabeth ???, also born in NY, circa 1806. They were married, possibly in Adams Co., IL, circa 1838.
"The family group was enumerated in Melrose Town, Adams Co., IL, in the 1850 Census, and included Salmon, Elizabeth, son Benjamin (age 11, born in IL), daughter Rebecca J. (age 5, born in IL), and Salmon's sister, Sarah (age 52, born in NY).
"Solomon Payne was enumerated in Quincy City, Adams Co., IL, in the 1840 Census. Solomon & Elizabeth (?) Payne were Barack Obama's maternal 4-great grandparents. His line of descent comes down through their son, Benjamin Payne (married Eliza Black), grandson, Charles T. Payne (married Della Wolfley), great grandson, Rolla Charles Payne (married Leona McCurry), 2-great granddaughter, Madelyn Lee Payne (married Stanley Armour Dunham), and 3-great granddaughter, Stanley Ann Dunham (married Barack Hussein Obama, 1st husband)."

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=craigsharrow&id=I670535

ID: I670535
Name: Charles Payne
Given Name: Charles [[middle name not given]]
Surname: Payne 1
Sex: M
Birth: Abt 1925 in Augusta, Butler County, Kansas - poss 1 2
Event: Anecdote
Note: ED 3, Sheet 3B, Line 81 of the Augusta, Butler Co, KS census shows [Charles] as 5 years old, single, living with parents Rolla and Leona, and siblings Madelyn and Arlene. 3
Change Date: 31 Jan 2008 at 11:45

Father: Rolla Charles Payne b: 23 Aug 1892 in Olathe, Johnson County, Kansas
Mother: Leona Belle McCurry b: 4 May 1897 in Peru, Chautauqua County, Kansas

Sources:
Abbrev: ABO
Title: Ancestry of Barack Obama, Location: n/a, Url: http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html
Compiler: [EXPERT] William Addams Reitwiesner
Publication: wargs@wargs.com, retrieved 26 Oct 2007
Media: Internet Database (Rootsweb)
Abbrev: Dowling Family Tree
Title: Dowling Family Tree
Author: Timothy Michael Dowling
Publication: Jan 2008
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GED&db=tdowling&id=I65723
tdowling_53223@yahoo.com
Abbrev: FDCE
Title: Extracts from the US Federal Decennial Census, Record Type: compiled from multiple censuses, Household: see notes, Record Info: retrieved 27 Oct 07 from http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html*
Author: William Addams Reitwiesner
Publication: 1850-1930

*[US Census] 1930 Kansas, Butler Co., Augusta, ED 3, sheet 3B, line 81

PAYNE
Rolla C H M W 37 M 29 KS MO OH Oil company Bookkeeper

Leona W F W 32 M 24 KS MO AR
Madelyn D F W 7 S KS KS KS
Charles S M W [Age] 5 S KS KS KS
Arlene D F W 3 8/12 S KS KS KS


Maybe we should give the last word to the HOME PAGE of the 89th
(http://www.89infdivww2.org/index.htm) where THIS has been posted:

"Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne:

C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there."
 
http://www.89infdivww2.org/
 
You'll love THIS.

"ANCESTRY OF BARACK OBAMA compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner"

http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html

"In 'Dreams from My Father,' on p. 63, Mr. Obama describes how, while a schoolboy, he told his classmates the story that his father was a prince, and his grandfather a king, of the Luo. Later, when as an adult, Mr. Obama learns the true story of his father's background (p. 394 et seq.), he finds no African royalty.

"Mr. Obama appears to be unaware of his descent(s) from European royalty ..."

((Citing one line of descent from William I, King of Scots, and another from Edward I, King of England))
 
Charles Thomas Payne, the great uncle of Obama, is the uncle who served in the Army in the 89th Infantry during WW II and suffered severe enough PTSD that, after coming back from the war he isolated himself at home for some time.

Charles recovered, attended college and to this day is a mentally vital, 83 year-old resident of Chicago.

This information was confirmed tonight by a member of the Payne family and is being posted to correct the mis-information that is swirling around the internet.

CORRECT info:
1. Charles' middle initial is "T" not "W";
2. he did have what is now termed PTSD; and
3. he was so traumatized by what he encountered during the war, that he in fact did isolate himself at home for a lengthy period of time.

J Straight
 
This is not an issue that particularly bothers me (although I enjoyed the faux outrage). But I am confused. The Kansas military records list the following Charles T. Payne:

Payne, Charles T. Enlisted 13 December 1942, Navy 3427439 Unregistered Kansas City, Wyandotte Co. (Board # 4)

http://www.kshs.org/genealogists/military/wwiiveteransresults.php?page=421&branch=N

(Sorry for the long cite) Looks like Navy to me...but maybe there's another Charles T. Payne...

djmm
 
OK, this seems to be the final word on this story:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/28/right-soldier-wrong-camp/
 
gary, I think the most important part of this whole "scandal" is that it gave us the perfect image to describe Obama's followers: The crazed uncle in the attic.

"First he said that it was the uncle! Then it was the grandfather! Then it was the great-uncle! First it was Auschwitz! Then it was Buchenwald! Who KNOWS where this pathway of bloody lies will lead next? Clearly, this man is a PSYCHOPATHIC KILLER on the order of POL POT or JOSEPH STALIN! God help the world if he gets his hands on the nuclear football! This vile, barf-a-riffic poseur should buried up to his neck in ice while Canadian sled-dogs URINATE on his lying face! Then cockroaches should be tossed into his open mouth! Then..."

Ah hell, I'm out of ammo. Maybe I should head over to DU. The real "crazy uncles" in that forum come up with shit that is far beyond my attempts at imitation.
 
POLYGAMIST DADDY SYNDROME

Obama's "death camp" confabulation is as reliable as a hookers penis praise. Nearly as laughable as the fabrications of Daddy Obama in the appropriately titled "Dreams From My Father". Daddy O was a bigamist wife beating drunk. None of which made it onto a single page. So how much of the distraught uncles PTDS fallacious crap are we supposed to sit through before we just get up and walk out?
 
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Recounting the pain...er, the past

Jen here...

In an unsuccessful attempt to escape economic worries and the Clinton/Obama madness this Memorial Day, I took two hours to watch HBO's Recount, a docudrama about the theft of the 2000 election.

The film fell surprisingly flat for me for a number of reasons, not the least of which was its failure to recognize the role that mainstream media played in sealing the deal for the Bush crew. (Someone on DU theorized that HBO decided to avoid criticizing the networks in order to get permission to use as much actual footage of their 2000 coverage as is included in the movie.)

I was also disappointed in Recount's marginalization of Al Gore, who is shown only briefly from behind and in profile, and is ultimately present as a mere voice over a telephone, in moments which suggest he is primarily holding back his staff's efforts. (I keep waiting for the outraged Gore supporters to excoriate Recount's creators for this portrayal, but I have yet to encounter any rants.)

Still, I did find myself remarkably moved by at least one thing Recount does well, perhaps because of its dull, urgentless tone: the skill with which it evokes the overall mood of the year 2000. I was an hour in before I realized it—everything seems so damn normal. The Republican forces are conniving, but it would be hard to call them evil. The Democrats appear frustrated, but not agonized (or terrified). There is no talk of the approaching social chaos, depression, war. It is a snapshot of a country joyously oblivious to its own impending obliteration.

So it's probably worth your time, if you think you can endure the flashbacks.
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jen,
My husband and I have a lot in common but there is one major issue we hold very different views on. He spends a lot of time ignoring/avoiding pain, and I think that pain is sometimes a good thing. He refused to watch the movie and I watched it twice and it was painful. I had many reasons for watching the movie, the most important was to see if my recollection of events were close to the truth. As Hillary's recollections of Bosnia and Obama's recollection of his uncle/grandfather's role in WWII are being dissected everywhere, I think people forget that recollections are just that.
I wonder how we all would feel watching a movie about the MSM "coverage" of the 2008 presidential race 8 years from now. MSM has long been a tool used by "people in power" (not politicians) to guide the public perception and thought. It was decided in 2000 that Bush should emerge as the winner and MSM did what it has been created to do.
You do have a point in bringing up the lack of awareness and outrage by people and Gore himself. I wonder if people could have forced the powers to concede to their choice if they had reacted differently, but they didn't.
As I read Joe's rants about Obama, I wonder if Joseph really believes that the political races are about the best men/women emerging as winners. I happen to like Bill Clinton, but his flaw was well known to everyone and yet he emerged as the winner. Obama may well be flawed as well (although Joe has yet to convince me that he is much more flawed that the rest)and yet he may end up the winner and MSM will help elect him.
 
I highly recommend this book to anyone who wants to know more about MSM corruption and the 2000 appointment of the war criminal in our White House.

http://www.dualj.org/bookstore/item_details.aspx?ItemID=0974960977
 
More pain ehh?
I have read too many books about what ails our so called "Democratic System" and the "voter Disenfranchisement" of 2000 and 2004 and the ongoing corruption of our voting apparatus and the craziness of the "caucuses" and the insanity of the "Electoral College".
I don't need to be made aware!
I need to know how to fix it!
I feel no sympathy nor any animosity toward any one candidate, I do however hate "bias' of any kind. Josh "The King of Bloggers' and Joseph Cannon share more than they wish to admit. Bias is bias however way you slice it. May the "anointed One" win as it has been decided.
Unless, of coarse, we the people demand that our voices be heard, in which case, may the man/woman with the most votes emerge triumphant.
 
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UBS, Josh Marshall, John McCain and Barack Obama

This is the limit. The absolute limit.

Josh Marshall, in a recent post, castigates John McCain for taking economic advice on the sub-prime mortgage crisis from former senator Phil Gramm. Why? Because Gramm was a lobbyist for the Swiss bank UBS. (Gramm no longer lobbies, but continues to serve as a bank vice president.)

The UBS connection is of concern because that firm is a huge part of the sub-prime mortgage crisis:
Forbes says that UBS is among the banks worst hit by the global credit crisis, particularly in their direct exposure to the US subprime market. According to Forbes, UBS has some $37 billion in write-downs on assets tied to bad US mortgages. In other words, the bank's very life appears to be on the line in how the US government chooses to handle the matter.
(Emphasis added.) Needless to say, I agree with Marshall -- up to this point. What I don't agree with is his hypocrisy, his special pleading on behalf of the Savior From Illinois.

I've used this quote before, but let's trot it out again, since it compresses a whole huge chunk of stinkiness into one small stink-ball:
Seven of the Obama campaign’s top 14 donors consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages. These latest frauds have left thousands of children in some of our largest minority communities coming home from school to see eviction notices and foreclosure signs nailed to their front doors. Those scars will last a lifetime.

These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street.
UBS is or was Obi's second largest contributor, after Goldman Sachs. We must quickly note that Hillary has also taken lots of money from Goldman Sachs, and from others on this list -- though I've yet to see any evidence of a substantial contribution to her from UBS, the company which (for good reason) has aroused Marshall's particular ire.

Since strained rationalization is my favorite form of humor, I would love to see Marshall defend Obama while attacking McCain on the UBS connection. Could the former King of Bloggers possibly be more hypocritical?

By the way: As I've noted many times, Obama's chief economic adviser is a Milton Friedmanite and free-trade fundamentalist named Austan Goolsbee. In terms of basic economic weltanschauung, the difference between Gramm and Goolsbee is...what, exactly?
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The difference is tangible:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E5D8153AF933A05752C1A9659C8B63
 
Forgive me, but in my opinion (worth little) I think you are off beam on this one.

Is the idea that UBS caused the sub-prime crisis? I think moronic participant would be a better description. Is the idea that Phil Gramm was in the slightest bit aware of the banks activities in sub-prime? I suspect he played golf, did intros, and gave talks to clients. Probably pretty boring talks, but in a very Texan way. I could be wrong but how do you know he did anything useful for the bank?

Its a big bank. Some people who work for it are probably pretty smart. I know some who are idiots. Doesnt prove they cant advise on McCain. I would imagine that your high school economics teacher could offer useful advice to McCain.

I have probably misunderstood completely. Sorry if I am off beam.

Harry
 
Harry, the points you raise are directed at Josh Marshall, not at me. My main question was, I thought, sufficiently obvious: How can Josh dis McCain on this score but not Obama?
 
Yup, of course you are right.

Just for the record, its hard to wholeheartedly blame banks for the stuff they kept on their balance sheets. Better to blame them for the stuff they didnt keep, and sold on to suckers. In this light, one might point to Goldman, fine firm that it is, and note that they didnt lose that much money in the crisis.

However, not blaming the banks is not quite the same as not blaming the managers. Some of these guys played key roles in facilitating the disaster (I would refer you to a blog called Calculated Risk if you want to delve into this stuff). Similarly the banks dont make much in the way of political contributions, however many of them very strongly "encourage" senior staff (that want to become more senior) to contribute to a favoured candidate - up to the max individual contribution.

Some of these managers need to sit down and have a chat with some justice dept officials.

Im sure this pedantry on my part does me no credit. Thanks Joseph.

harry
 
Mahalo. Your concise comments regarding UBS are right on the mark! For more about UBS and drugs, money-laundering, tax evasion, lobbyists, corruption, racketeering, etc., and Barack Obama, Phil Gramm, George Bush, John McCain, etc., check out: http://www.kycbs.net/UBS.htm

Aloha,
The Catbird
 
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Tuesday, May 27, 2008

Camp memories: Obama and Reagan

On Memorial Day, Obama announced that his uncle helped to liberate Auschwitz -- and that the experience was so traumatic that the uncle had to spend six months in an attic.

In fact, Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army. I don't believe the "attic" story either. In 2002, Obama said the following:
My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.
Here he refers to the grandfather, not the uncle, and we have no talk of entering the camps personally. Anyone who spends six months in an attic based on hearsay from other soldiers must be very sensitive. By the way: Treblinka was also liberated by the Soviets. Patton's army liberated Buchenwald and Mauthausen.

Do I consider this gaffe important? Not really, although I'm ticked off by the double-standard. Despite Obi's chronic foot-in-mouth syndrome, the CDS-sufferers still pretend that the Bosnia affair was the single worst lie in the history of mankind. What I find extremely cute is the parallel to Ronald Reagan -- who also claimed to have participated in the liberation of the concentration camps.
It is no coincidence that our first MTV-era president, Ronald Reagan, was fond of telling audiences stories of how he had helped liberate concentration camps at the end of World War II, when his only experience with a Dachau or Treblinka was sitting in a darkened room watching movies of those events. "You believed in it because you wanted to believe it," Reagan once told a reporter who thought he had seen Reagan on the set of a movie which didn't feature him at all. "There's nothing wrong with that. I do it all the time."
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OK, so by now the Obama campaign has explained that it was his great-uncle and not Auschwitz but one of the Buchenwald camps. Obama guilty of misstating family history that happened before he was born. Hillary guilty of misstating her own personal experience. Reagan guilty of confusing movies with reality.
 
No, Obama is guilty of stating that he barely knew Tony Rezko. That was before we got a different story from the FBI's "inside man" John Thomas.
 
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...reminds me of that joke where a Jewish guy and a Chinese guy are drinking at a bar-- all is good until Hymie Goldberg tosses his drink in the face of Mr. Chow. So Chow asks what that was for, to which Mr. G says "Pearl Harbor!" Chow gets mad and says "that was the Japanese!! I'm Chinese!!" but Hymie just says "Chinese... Japanese... there all the same." So a few minutes later Chow tosses his drink in Hymie's face, and says "that's for the Titanic!" to which Hymie says What?? We Jews had nothing to do with the Titanic sinking" But Chow just says "Iceberg... Goldberg... Steinberg... they're all the same"

makes me think of this for some reason... Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Treblinka... they're all the same. Really. They're just used as stand ins for sincerity by pols now (wasn't it Reagan who laid a wreath on some Nazi graves-- as president not as actor/imagineer?)

And speaking about Grandfathers, i guess GWB's grandfatehr is pissed at OBi's Grandfather for wrecking his investmen. Why does Prescots fortune never matter? is that old news now? Do Cheney and W no longer matter (unless they do a last minute Big Wedding II?)

sorry i'm ranting, at least i'm not saying "Rezko never heard of him" = yes, i remember it well ("How strong you were, how young and gay; A prince of love in every way...")
 
I've read just now that the new story is that this supposed great-uncle, Charlie Payne, was with the 89th when it liberated Buchenwald.

Problem 1: Payne was in the Navy.

Problem 2: The 89th did not liberate Buchenwald.
 
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The Obama trail

I have to write in a hurry, which means that I won't be able to arrange my thoughts properly. If you want a quick-n-easy bottom line, I can't help you -- not right now.

If what you are about to read seems a bit disjointed or odd, consider this post a mere teaser -- a hint of things to come.

I've been looking into Evelyn Pringle's stories about the Illinois "Combine," a criminal/political cartel which includes Barack Obama, along with many other noteworthy figures in Chicago. The links on the left hand side of the page go to her introductory pieces. Her most recent investigations are compiled in a series called "Curtain Time For Barack Obama," which you can find in various places. Rezko Watch is serializing it.

Warning: You'll probably be frustrated with her work. Her purpose is not so much to "get Obama" but to deliver a Cinemascope picture of corruption in Illinois. Obama is part of that widescreen image, though only a part; the close-ups don't make sense without the establishing shots.

If you really must have a bottom line, try this:

Tony Rezko's partner in corruption was Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich. Patrick Fitzgerald calls their criminal conspiracy "Operation Board Games" because the Rezko/Blagojevich Combine got control of two important boards -- one in control of health services, the other in control of a teacher's pension fund. With the boards in hand, the two mobsters were free to loot and pillage.

The name of their game was "pay-to-play": If you wanted a state or city contract, you needed to pay off certain politicians. One of those pols was Barack Obama, who routinely got between one-tenth to one-third the amounts given to Blagojevich. (Blago was Rezko's first choice to become POTUS. That plan was scuttled when the Combine got into legal trouble.) Obama, listed as "a political candidate" in Fitz's indictment, received $10,000 from the teacher's fund.

How did the Combine get control of the health services board? Through a law created and guided by State Senator Barack Obama.

There was no need for this law. It's sole purpose was to reduce the number of supervisors and to place the board completely in the hands of Blago's creatures. Afterward, Barack Obama got a piece of the action with nearly every crooked transaction.

We'll have more to say about all that later.

Right now, I want to note that I've been looking into various subsidiary aspects of the Illinois Combine scandal -- and I've found that certain names have cropped up in previous stories.

Ask yourself: Just how did Obama become so fantastically well-funded so quickly, once he announced for President?
Seven of the Obama campaign’s top 14 donors consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages. These latest frauds have left thousands of children in some of our largest minority communities coming home from school to see eviction notices and foreclosure signs nailed to their front doors. Those scars will last a lifetime.

These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street.
We've all heard of the most of those names. For some of you, Citadel will be unfamiliar. The name had previously cropped up in the course of our research in the Gus Boulis scandal.

Boulis, you will recall, was the casino boat owner who was forced to sell to Jack Abramoff. Boulis sold but was not paid. He protested -- and got himself killed, ambushed in traffic. As you will recall, 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta was on one of those casino ships shortly before the Big Wedding. In the past, I've theorized that the ships could have been used for drug transactions.

Jack Abramoff coveted Gus Boulis’ casino business in the worst possible way. So he "supposedly” duped an otherwise savvy Chicago hedge fund named Citadel Investment into lending him $32 million to purchase Boulis’ fleet of a dozen unlicensed offshore gambling vessels.

Then, in relatively short order, having been paid no more than a mere pittance of the agreed-upon sale price, Gus Boulis was dead.
Citidel seems to have been awfully understanding, considering the sum of money involved. The fund is run by the secretive billionaire (and noted art collector) Kenneth Griffen, who is all of 40 years old.

Again: I've given you just a teaser. There will be much more to come. Stay tuned.
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uh oh.

looks like someone is finally going to start connecting the dots in illinois corruption TO state senator obama.

i'll wait eagerly for the next installment.
 
Joseph, that is an EXCELLENT summary of Pringle's reports. It's too bad she can't condense it as well.

Bottom line is Obama is seriously tainted and unelectable as a result. It does make one wonder why in the world he ever bothered to run for president knowing he couldn't get elected. If he did, he would be impeached the first day he took office, only this time there would be justification for it.

The fact he raises such obscene amounts of money makes me wonder who really is supporting him. It can't be just little donors.
 
Joe, have you seen this article in The Atlantic?

The Amazing Money Machine: How Silicon Valley made Barack Obama this year’s hottest start-up

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200806/obama-finance

Mark Gorenberg of Hummer Winblad and Steve Spinner, angel investor, also connected to NBC, are notables.
 
After doing a search I found an article that mentioned Kenneth Griffin.

http://eng.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=3&no=382405&rel_no=1

"The bundling groups include businessmen like billionaire Kenneth Griffin who started backing Obama just as he hired a team of lobbyist to urge Congress to preserve a "lucrative tax loophole," according to the Washington Post."
 
Susan said, "It does make one wonder why in the world he ever bothered to run for president knowing he couldn't get elected."

But isn't the belief that you won't, or can't, get caught, something that criminals think? I mean, Obama's shown quite a bit of arrogance, and it would fit that he was arrogant enough to think he wouldn't get caught.

Kyre
 
The kicker is if Obama thought he could get away with it, especially as a Democrat, he's even more unfit for the job.

Hell, the Clintons were clean for all intents and purposes, yet the Republicans didn't care and decided to try and run them out of town. John Kerry was clean, but that didn't stop the GOP from swiftboating him. Ditto Al Gore. This time the Republicans won't have to make anything up if Obama should get the nomination.
 
I know you won't like hearing this, but ... Since the Chicago Cesspool is BIPARTISAN (although heavily weighted in favor of Illinois Repugs) and stretches all the way to Bush's election-fixing, attorney-purging Dept of Justice, Obama might just emerge unscathed ANYWAY, like the Clintons did in spite of Web Hubbell and BCCI.

So, imagine THIS as a not-impossible scenario for November:

(1) Obama makes it to the White House before anybody catches up to him (prosecutions are sooo slow);
(2) President Obama nominates "corruption-buster" Patrick Fitzgerald as his Attorney General (good argument to do so);
(3) So Fitzgerald, now getting to do what he TRIES to do best, shows his gratitude by managing to look the other way regarding Obama's background ... Remember, Fitz accepted SOME kind of deal that shut him up after the 1993 WTC bombings (if anyone recalls him there), so why shouldn't he now?

The big problem with trying to expose --much less prosecute-- slimeball politicians is that politicians are BY DEFINITION slimy and in a pinch they circle their wagons to cover each other's asses in a "bipartisan" way -- since any ideals they espouse are purely cosmetic, a means to an end, and greed and lust for power as common ground takes priority over any party affiliation.
 
I've raised it before, and it really is the critical point on this matter: used to be, anyway, that DOJ prohibited and forbade US attorneys from bringing indictments that could impact elections, in the election season. If it still is the case (let's ask Siegelman?), then nobody can indict the presumptive Democratic nominee, from this point forward.

Then, nobody can indict the president, either.

If all this is true, Obama may get a pass unless or until he gets a Republican majority House or Senate arrayed against him.

...sofla
 
As a former investigative reporter in Chicago, I warn you not to take Ms. Pringle's reports seriously. Her reports are beneath the level of journalism exhibited at The National Enquirer. Her "reporting" is considered a joke around the newsrooms of Chicago.

I can assure you that many of my peers in Chicago have investigated the Rezko et al dealings in Illinois in much greater depth than Ms. Pringle and have not proven the connections that she alleges. Mr. Cannon, you undercut your own credibility by spotlighting her factually inaccurate and misguided attempts at investigative reporting. Of course, I do not expect you to post my comment publicy.
 
Normally, I would NOT publish your dreck, my bravely anonymous friend. (I reserve the right to cancel any comment that breaks one of the clearly-posted rules.) But on this occasion, you amused me.

In brief: Nice try, pal.

If you're a real reporter, I'm Clark Gable.

Remember, I've been double-checking Pringle's work. And so far, near as I can tell, not only does her stuff check out, nearly all of it is simple regurgitation of material she found in...Chicago newspapers.

I doubt that she has knocked on doors and made many original phone calls. This is compilation of previously published texts.

So, if the "newsrooms of Chicago" are laughing at her work, they are laughing at their OWN work.

And if you were a genuinely concerned reporter, you would not be writing to the likes of me. You'd be writing to the original publishers of her material instead -- a journal in New Zealand, I believe -- instead of "working" the blogs.

And if you really were a professional, you would know that good writers always "sell" their points through the use of examples and illustrations. You would have command of the facts. You would be able to cite specifics off the top of your head.

And if you were a former investigative reporter, what would stop you from naming the publication or publications that ran your material? What would stop you from naming a big story that you worked on?

Pathetic.

Just pathetic.

I just hope other bloggers don't fall for this lame attempt at spin.
 
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Monday, May 26, 2008

Ask not: "What has Obama done FOR black people?" Ask: "What has Obama done TO black people?" (UPDATED)


As you watch this, remember: Obama helped Rezko get those contracts. Obama was tagged by Rezko out of Harvard Law. Obama went straight to work for a small law firm run by a Rezko crony who helped set up the tenement scheme. Every time a crooked businessman gave a contribution to Governor Blagojevich as part of a pay-to-play deal, Obama got a contribution as well. Rezko basically helped to run the Blagojevich administration.

Also remember that Bill Clinton brought hundreds of millions of dollars in new investment into Harlem.

UPDATED: Finally, Evelyn Pringle has started to translate her investigative reporting into more easily digestible form.
As a state senator, "Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens," the June 13, 2007 Sun-Times reported
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Hey Joseph, where do you get most of your research facts regarding the whole rezko bribery scandal. I just want to see the pay to play and lining obama's pockets in "print". I don't doubt the politician we all know as the "hope" messiah is as filthy as his cigarette habit.
 
joseph -

yeah. that's the right question alright.

i would just love to read more boots on the ground reporting about what actually happened when obama's black constituents went to see him or complained to him or asked for his help.

i wonder if the senator's "constituency" wasn't the black churches and the daley machine

rather than the people themselves.
 
clayton, I would tell people to start with Evelyn Pringle's pieces. esecially the more recent "Curtain Time for Obama" series.

People don't read this stuff because the story is complex, the target goes way beyond Obama, and because Pringle hasn't organized her material as well as she ought to have done. But if you do read it with care, and then start double-checking through Google -- the story just gets worse and worse.
 
Hi Joseph,
Is Rezko charged with any crimes connected to his public housing -real estate investments? All I can find is:

"One indictment alleges that Rezko participated with Chicago businessman Stuart Levine in a scheme to obtain millions of dollars by shaking down firms doing business before two Illinois regulatory boards on which Levine served. The second indictment alleges that Rezko fraudulently obtained more than $10 million in loans for a pizza restaurant business from General Electric Capital Corp. (GECC) and also defrauded investors in that business."

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2006/pr1011_01.pdf


"The Illinois senator isn’t accused of any wrongdoing. And there’s no evidence Obama knew contributions to his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign came from schemes Rezko is accused of orchestrating."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/749138,obama20web.article
 
Scotty, you ALWAYS help me!

I haven't even gotten into the meat of Operation Board Games yet. Yes, the indictment against Rezko focused on his getting control of those two boards. The result was kickbacks and pay-to-play...an unending series of bribes to governor Blagojevich...

And guess which Illinois State Senator was almost entirely responsible for pushing throught he new law which allowed Rezko to gain control of the Hospital board...?

Guess which State Senator then got a nice cut of every kickback and bribe that went to Blago?

Scott, I am so sorry that I am too poor to pay you for the fine research you do for this site.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention the other board, the one controlling the teacher's retirement fund. Lot of money got pilfered there.

Fitz' indictment says that at least $10,000 of the stolen money went to an unnamed "political candidate." Everyone familiar with the case knows full well who that is.
 
The Rezko case apparently has wider implications no one seems to be talking about.

When "Bush's brain" Karl Rove was trying to get rid of non-party-line US Attorneys like Patrick Fitzgerald, guess who he turned to in Illinois to help him? Governor Blagojevich and his buddy and "top adviser," Tony Rezco.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-rezko-rove-24-apr24,0,7863132.story

Bottom line: Republican-loyalist judges in the Rezco case are not likely to allow prosecutors to admit any evidence that might have damaging political implications for the Bush regime's Department of "Justice" or Rove's network of GOP bagmen in Illinois and other states.

"In the midst of a corruption trial that has provided plenty of fodder for political cynics, the prosecutors alleged that political insiders in Washington and Illinois claimed to be working to choke off the criminal investigation [of Rezco] launched by U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald ...

"At the trial of Antoin "Tony" Rezko, prosecutors revealed Wednesday that former Rezko confidant Ali Ata was prepared to testify that Rezko told him in November 2004 of a plan to pull strings with then- White House political director Karl Rove and have Fitzgerald fired.

"Prosecutors also sought to add the testimony of another admitted schemer suggesting that two of the state's most powerful Republican operatives wanted to take the heat off Rezko by dumping the hard-charging prosecutor.

"Rove denied the allegations, as did the two Republicans, GOP National Committeeman Robert Kjellander and Springfield power broker William Cellini ...

"Despite his party affiliation, Kjellander developed close ties with the administration of Blagojevich, a Democrat, after he became governor in 2003. Still, Kjellander disputed the allegations attributed to Ata, as did Kjellander's close friend, Rove."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-rove-fitzgerald-web-apr24,0,2332070.story

"The name of former U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert was added Monday to the roster of political heavyweights linked by witnesses to an alleged plan to dump Chicago's top federal prosecutor and kill a criminal investigation into [Tony Rezco] ...

"Hastert retired from the House last year and is currently traveling the state at the behest of Blagojevich to drum up support for a $25 billion public works program the governor has proposed."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezkoapr29,0,151774.story

"U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve barred prosecutors from airing allegations [of wider corruption] at Rezko's trial, agreeing with defense concerns that members of the jury could be confused or misled by the complex transaction ... The defense succeeded in keeping the transaction out of the trial by arguing in part that testimony about Rezko's complex finances would open a Pandora's box ..."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/chi-rezko27feb27,0,2743086.story
 
Pringle's Obama articles are some of the strangest political writing in recent history. It's a breathless story of what happens in American politics all the time. Writing on and on, she *fails to make any connections* between Obama and his less than desirable contributors other than they gave money to his campaign. This happens all the time, all over the country. It's part of a rotten system but not unique to Obama. Clinton's contributors would have an equal stench. We're screwed no matter who gets elected - all three are bought and owned by their corporate bosses.
 
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The bots are still Psych-O!

Barack Obama can't turn off his own hate machine.

He belatedly issued a statement saying that he understood what Hillary meant to say. So did RFK Jr. So did Skinner of DU, albeit in a rather smarmy fashion. All responsible political writers understand that Hillary was not issuing any kind of "death threat."

But -- and I cannot stress this enough -- many Obama followers are mentally ill.

I mean that literally, and I will never take it back. (Note that I said "followers," not "supporters": We are dealing with a cult.) From a purely tactical point of view, they should be mending fences with Hillary's voters. But they refuse to do so. They would prefer to see half the Democratic Party leave -- even if that mass exodus means the end of Obama's chances in November.

After reading the latest outrages, I say: Give the Obots what they want. Leave the party. Do not donate to it. Do not vote for any Democrat.

When disaster hits in November, we will make sure that the fingers of blame point to Moulitsas, Huffington, Marshall, Plouffe, Axelrod, Brazile, Dean -- and Obama.

From Huffington Post, the main headline:
Hillary's Latest: It's Obama's Fault
She said nothing of the kind.

It is his fault, of course -- he stoked the fury with his initial statements, and he could have turned off the progblog hate machine ages ago, just by making a few phone calls. (The time for doing so has passed; even he could not now shut down the engines of vituperation.) For that reason, I hold Obama personally responsible for every word said on Kos and DU.

From DU:
Hillary's op-ed is delusional crap and a lie and she should be ashamed
She Fucking Sucks
She cannot let down Bush
Her interview supported Bush? How?
She is unelectable.
Tell that to the folks in the purple states, who prefer her to Obama.
She has opened up the floodgates where some people fell empowered to utter the unthinkable in regards to race (Ferraro) and assassination (Trotta). Interesting how it's older white women blowing the dog whistles, isn't it?
Hillary is now responsible for Trotta?

Ferraro, I now believe, said not one word wrong: If not for liberal white guilt, there is no way an inexperienced, un-vetted pol like Obama -- with his Daley/Rezko/Bagojevich mob ties -- would ever become the front-runner.
She's petty and vicious, a typical DLCer.
Ah. It's our old friend, the Great DLC Conspiracy Theory! We've talked about this inane meme before. Do you think that this paranoid delusion will persist as long as the one about the Protocols of Zion has persisted?
If the party doesn't stop this vile candidate, it will deserve its own demise.
Hey, that's my line!
If the Democratic party starts catering to the racist vote, and kowtows to someone who who courts the crazies by posing in a pickup in full hunting gear, it doesn't deserve my vote, or that of any other non-racist progressive. Should we start voting for race-haters and those who hint at assassination for those who oppose them?
She just HAD TO RUB FUCKING SALT AND VINEGAR INTO THE WOUNDS SHE OPENED UP ON FRIDAY!!! What an evil, callous, cold, dark souled person she is.
Excuse me??? The candidate is in charge of the campaign and every campaign takes on the characteristics of the candidate.

Which is why we see such a glaring difference between Team Obama and Camp Clinton.

Senator Obama said it best when he hired his team: "No assholes here."
You mean like -- to name just one example -- Bill Daley? Check out Evelyn Pringle's stories about how he fits into the Illinois "Combine" conspiracy.
She's also totally devoid of shame or humility, hence the martyr/victim meme.
God, she is so detestable... They want you OUT!! GO!! damnit
Don't kid yourself, bub. We're going with her. And we are much more numerous than you may care to believe.
I feel like we've all been swimming in shit since she entered the race. I cannot wait for this horrible excuse for a human being to be drop-kicked into oblivion.
hilary hasn't been vetted .we don't know who the hell she is other than a WarHog.
Hillary is, of course, the most vetted human being on the face of the planet.

This next one is hilarious:
Please explain why RFK Jr's opinion is pertinent
The woman needs medical help.
Look who's talking.

And now, let us turn to the Daily Cheeto:
This Is Their Tactic, to toss the blame over to our side. To make us out to be nuts, etc.
Right. It's Hillary's fault that people think Obots are wacko.
I think it was on Face the Nation this morning. Wolfson said that someone from the Obama campaign had emailed KO's special comment to the media - and that in that way the campaign was "fanning the flames" or words to that effect.
In bot logic, this means that we should blame Hillary, not Olbermann or the Obama campaign.
Instead, starting about a week ago, I find that everything Hillary says makes me giggle insanely.

INSANELY!!!!!!
This, I find believable.
It's embarrassing how low she's stooping..and it's also really obvious. But they're so blind in their mad pursuit of power, they can't see it!
Explain to me: How does this manufactured controversy help her alleged "mad pursuit of power"?
Is anyone point out that her time line argument Is invalid.
Can you make sense out of that last statement?
I tried not too, but I fucking hate her now. What a piece of trash she has become.
This Kos poster argues that it is time to patch things up. His headline is hilarious: "It is Time To Move Past Genteel InnerParty Squabbles." (Actually, I think this title was meant to be funny.) Look at the response:
the ease and thoroughness of healing will be directly proportional to how quickly Sen. Clinton drops out of the race and gets off the national stage... Hillary Clinton is right on the thin edge of costing Obama the election, and every hour she continues to hang around, unwanted, makes a November disaster just that much more likely.
These madmen are so caught up in their hallucinatory world that they cannot see the obvious: They are the ones who have made Obama look bad. They are the ones who have alienated half the party. Can we fairly judge a candidate by his Bots? I think we can, just as we can judge a Moon by his Moonies.
It is too soon to give HRC a pass for all her outrageous behavior for the past 4.5 months. She will have to rehabilitate herself and that will not be easy.
She has, of course, done nothing worthy of apology. Obama is the one who should get down on his knees for running the filthiest campaign in the history of the Democratic party.

Any compendium of Obama-mania will inevitably include a few words which strike the Messianic note:
Recently it seems as if there are a number of Clinton supporters who are threatening to leave the Democratic Party if Hillary does not get the nod as the nominee. The like to call Hillary`s opponent cute names like bambie, bamma, BHO, etc. They claim that this is no longer the Democratic Party that they have known and voted for for the past however many years.

They are right.

It is not.
I believe in the liberal social views of the Democrats thanks in ALL part to Barack Obama opening my eyes to it.
I needed a home and Barack Obama was the lighthouse that guided me here. I stand with the millions who have been touched by not only his words but also his actions.
We have a six month old son who is the most precious thing on this Earth to us. I hope he has the opportunity to grow up in Barack Obama`s America. I am not a traditional democrat and it seems that a few of them might have reservations about my family... I am a NEW DEMOCRAT.
Hope your son enjoys a privatized Social Security system, pal -- because that's what Jeff Liebman of the Cato Institute has in store for him. And I hope that America can survive an economy run by a Milton Friedmanite like Austan Goolsbee.

While reading this hyper-romanticized cult glop, you may have heard the opening chords of Jesus Christ Superstar playing in the great jukebox of your memory. Responses:
Not since 1960 when Kennedy was running have I been as excited about a candidate as Obama. I was inspired by Kennedy but am many times more inspired by Obama.
Hey, he brought you into your party for the people, by the people
Another Kossack wrote a piece slamming that evil bastard, Paul Krugman. In response, a commenter castigates Krugman for his "ugly partisanship." This, from a Kossack.
Figures lie and liars figure. I believe that is usually applied to the realm of statistics. I find it equally applicable to economists.
He was unhinged long before this campaign started and has only become more so--and more openly so--since then.
whatever the reason for his sheer bile and venom, it has zero basis in reality...
A Kossack lecturing Krugman on "bile and venom"?

I could go on, but that should do -- for now.

I think we cannot relegate the above-quoted sentiments to the "crazy corner." They represent the rank and file of Obama supporters.

We are experiencing one of those sad historical moments when a large segment of society simply goes off the deep end. A cult filled with sick, sick people has taken over half of major political party. This development mirrors what happened to the Republicans in the 1990s.

All women and men of conscience should fight for the restoration of reason -- and if doing so means turning away, temporarily, from the Democratic Party, then so be it.

These infants will continue to misbehave unless we give them a spanking. I cannot think of any other way to administer punishment.
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Well, I will not go us far as calling them mentally sick, but it is true that Obama has attracted a larger number of haters as any cult does. I was open minded about both Clinton and Obama until Oprah W. endorsed him. From that moment on it was open season for many rabid followers of BO. I very much fear that coming November we are going to self destruct ourselves and then of course it will be all blamed on Hillary. I am sick of the whole thing. This is not what politics was supposed to be.
 
Yeah, calling people insane because they don't agree with you doesn't sound insane at all.

No, not the random quotes you pull from comments, but the people who actually put their names on what they write. I think everybody eventually understood what HRC meant (except the mouth frothers who choose not to), but I think one commenter up there, who you just choose to dismiss, was trying to point out that RFK still vying for the nomination in June is not a viable comparison given the length of the primary season back then.

I've been disappointed by the blog runners that have gone so negative on HRC just to give Obama a boost, but she really has said some despicable things recently (just happens that the RFK comment isn't one of them). It does reveal her naked ambition to the detriment of all else. So it's difficult to treat her rational words as rational.

And Obama isn't in his position because he's black. It's because he's a great orator. Not saying that's any more of a qualification than being black, but Geraldine Ferraro is treated like the crazy aunt in the attic because she's being just as loony as the people you're accusing. She can't acknowledge that Obama doesn't just have a great message, but he can communicate it to a large number of people. But she can't see that or refuses to acknowledge it... sound familiar?
 
Although I didn't understand what she was driving at at the time, I now realize that Ferraro's words were perfectly sensible. As I've noted before, many times, polls indicate that 12% of the electorate has a problem voting for a woman while only 6% has a problem voting for a black. As Obama's own campaign manager suggested (in a slip that upended the Obot party line), that this 6% of the electorate was all on the Republican side of the aisle.

Which means that within a Democratic primary, a black candidate has the advantage of increased African American turnout -- as well as what we may fairly call the "white liberal guilt" factor.

That factor had a lot to do with motivating my own vote for Obama. I did NOT feel comfortable voting for someone with so little experience. I just did not know the guy. I had not liked his 2004 speech.

But I DID like the idea of the Democratic party being the first to have a black nominee. And with Edwards gone, he seemed electable -- more electable than Hillary.

"And then I woke up." (He said, quoting the last line of a recent film.)

This isn't a race about race, but a contest about character. Obama could have turned off the progblog spigot of hatred. Instead, his campaign did everything it could to encourage the nonsensical "Clintons as racists" meme. He has turned the Democratic party against our best post-war president.

Is Obama a great orator? Hell no. I just don't see it.

I think we have had so many truly great black orators in this nation's history that some people now automatically ascribe rhetorical skill to any black man who addresses a crowd. Obama is no Malcolm X. He's no Jesse Jackson. Frankly, he is no Cynthia McKinney (who, you should know, is actually very, very good.)

Obama plagiarizes other speeches. He has yet to come up with a truly ringing phrase. His delivery is slow. His vocal style lacks flow and power. His voice is kind of annoying -- to me, at least. He delivers a stream of vague and meaningless statements and rarely follows through with specifics. (Bill Clinton was often just as irritatingly vague back in 1992, but when required to do so, he would demonstrate that he had done his homework, and he would speak about issues in very concrete terms. Obama almost never does.)

Obama succeeds because the politics of hate succeed. Because he has built of a cult. Because he has become a Rorschach test (I dare not call him an inkblot -- someone will call me a racist) onto which dreamers can project whatever they wish to see.

Frankly, anon, the only reason I let your comment go through was the delightful irony:

"No, not the random quotes you pull from comments, but the people who actually put their names on what they write."

Did you not see the rules for commenting on this blog...?
 
I would say they are in a cult-like trance where they hear and see no wrong with Obama. Well, fact is he is a loser, always wil be a loser, even if he wins this nomination he is a loser. He and his supporters will have cost themselves this election and cost our nation. Their arrogance and their thought that racism, which has been relatively scarce this season, is why he is losing in the rust belt, but sexism is completely okay. His pimping of Bill Richardson as the ultimate Latino without realizing there are more than just Mexicans as Latinos (as we saw in PR this past week). As a Latino I will tell you he is not going to get anywhere with us against McCain either, good luck with that. Me, a gay guy, being called a fag by an Obama precinct captain in Iowa City showed me that he and his bots are not progressives they have no care for the progressive agenda, they are a personality cult, determined to crush the "evil" Hillary who is in the way of their ambitions. Ugh,makes me sick.
 
Note that I said "followers," not "supporters": We are dealing with a cult.

And the same is true of Hillary's minions. What is it about this election that has created such cultish followings? Ron Paul's followers give the same impression.

I know that there are rational supporters of each of these candidates. Unfortunately, many on the outside paint them all with the same brush. I do it sometimes, just for fun, but this blogger, for example, seems serious about it and unable to recognize the mote in his own eye.
 
I really don't find this surprising at all. The liberal bloggers hate Hillary, pure and simple. These same people embraced the 1990's and Bill Clinton. They defended him from the mud slinging the Republicans threw at him. He won twice because many Democrats and others rallied to his message of hope. He was called the first black president. He was a rock star in the Democratic party. He left office with a 68% approval rating.

Many African-Americans are voting Obama simply because of the color of his skin. They won't tell you that directly, but it's a fact. Many others see Hillary in a negative light simply because of sexism. They preach tolerance of others, yet secretly can't vote for the woman. The attack machine comes out simply because they can't think of an issue they disagree with Hillary about, so they attack, Hillary, Bill, and even Chelsea, because she shrieks, a disqualifying factor if I ever heard one.

Then you ask why they support Obama, and the answers you will hear he's fresh, he's young, he's for change. Then you ask them about what Clinton and Obama are different from one another, ans instantly, they become tongue tied. Then when you point out that there is very little difference between the two, then they start hurling insults at you.

Yes sir, this is your Democratic party in action. Bitter, hateful people, with his insane policy of drinking the kool-aid, and snapping defeat from the jaws of victory. But then, you realize that they've had plenty of practice in doing both.
 
Now the Obama supporters are trying to lure back Hillary supporters. However, the mask always slips and the hatred comes out. You're correct that Obama could have stopped this at any time. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes about his character. Not someone I want within whiffing distance of the "football".
 
How many more people must Hillary kill before she is stopped?
 
Dale, I presume you are new here. Let me say it YET AGAIN.

I voted for Obama in the California primary. I've never been particularly fond of Hillary, although I think she would make a decent president. I had hopes that she would not run. I STILL wish she had not run.

Had Obama run the kind of campaign that I initially thought he would run, I would continue to be in his corner.

Right now, we are in a battle for... (Ah hell. I'm about to spout a cliche. Well, there's no avoiding it. Ahem:) ...We are in a battle for the soul of the Democratic Party. (There. I said it.)

That battle is more important than the election, in my opinion.

Are we going to allow the Democratic party to mirror the Republican Party in the 1992-2006 period? Are we going to go down the road of unreason? Are we going to allow the verbal equivalent of mob violence to substitute for debate?
 
"Do not vote for any Democrat." That's it Joseph you have gone nuts. The future of our country is at stake and we should throw it away because some anonymous commenters called Hillary a bitch. Fortunately, very few people listen to you and the Democratic party will do well in November, even if Obama loses.And I am still predicting an Obama victory. But I could be wrong.

Ooh, the Obama campaign called Hillary's remarks "unfortunate." Obama accepted her explanation, what more do you want? No, he needs to publically denounce some anonymous commenters at Kos or DU.

Hillary should drop out now, given that she has a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination.Obama should praise Hillary to the skies, given that she has no chance of getting the nomination, and he needs her.
 
Some Rezco indictments would be useful right now.
 
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Buh-bye, gary. Note the links list; you needed more than I needed you, methinks.

"A few anonymous comments"? Ho, this is rich. How about a NON-STOP INSULT CAMPAIGN LASTING MONTHS? How much of that SHIT do you think we are going to take? Do you really think we are going to act as enablers when our party is overtaken by primeval beasts?

Withholding our votes and our dollars are the only weapons available to us. Is there another? Name it.

You know who you Obots are? You are the husband who beats and browbeats his wife every single day -- yet never expects her actually to get up and leave. Then...one day...it happens. And you are left there, thinking: "Wow. I never saw THAT coming."

It's not just me, Gary. It's a movement. In some polls, 40% of Hillary voters tell pollsters that they will not vote for Obama.

"Oh, the Hillary voters will never actually leave. They THREATEN to, but they really won't..."

Are you finally starting to wake up, dummy?

Obama fucked up.

This -- this, right here -- is THE reason why you do NOT go in for organized smear campaigns in a primary.

Obama fucked up.
 
perry, Rezko is goig to jail. There will be other indictments against the Combine. One of them will certainly be against Blagojevich. All the crooked businessmen who gave money to Blago as part of the pay-to-play deals routinely gave to Obama as well. Obi's take would somewhere on the order of ten-to-thirty percent of Blago's -- and I mean, like, every damn time.

The hard part is proving a quid pro quo. There has to be one. I mean, why would a crooked businessman in LAS VEGAS (who got caught up in the Combine schemes) be giving checks to Obama -- who was then an Illinois State Senator?

I'm not sure. I've compiled my homework, though...

Obi's main function in the Chicago conspiracy was to pass a law which made sure that Blagojevich got to control the Hospital Board. More on that later...
 
just in case you attempt to fire your cannon at Obama somehow, here are the following fgcts.


During a radio interview with a Puerto Rican radio station Saturday, Obama called the remarks “careless” and said he accepted Clinton’s explanation that she meant no offense.

Obama’s advisers continued that line on the Sunday talk shows, saying they were ready to end the discussion.

“As far as we’re concerned, this issue is done. It was an unfortunate statement, as we’ve said and she’s acknowledged. She’s apologized, the apology is accepted, let’s move forward,” Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod said on ABC’s “This Week.
 
Obama and Axelrod are fucking liars. At the same time they were making these comments, the campaign was emailing copies of Keith Olbermann accusing Clinton of incitement to murder!

How can you Obots rationalize that sort of outright lying?
 
Yes, I am educated, Hispanic American Family has been Dems since FDR. My parents even voted for McGovern. My wife voted for Obamai. Yes she wants vote back. These crazy leftists have taken over party. I believ its time to ask for Howard Dean's resignation. The controlled bias MSM is an eye opener for many Americans. Everyone I know is voting for Obama. Dems. have truned away from core party members and true Americans. For the first time in my life-early thirties. Voeting for a Republican. We have seen these thugs who call themselves thre new Dem party intidate, name call and respect decent Americans. Nazi tactics. We will organize and campaign for Mr. McCain. He at least has experience and love for our country. Which can not be said for Obami. He and his thug followers will down to defeat. That is what happened in the Joe Libermane election in Conn. When the rafical leftists took over the Conn party. Did you note that Conn. went for Hillary. I say to Hillary give them Hell-don't give in to their indimadations. And yes we believe in the Larry Siinclair allegations.. Why are these charges are not at the very least being investigated??
 
Yes, I am educated, Hispanic American Family has been Dems since FDR. My parents even voted for McGovern. My wife voted for Obamai. Yes she wants vote back. These crazy leftists have taken over party. I believ its time to ask for Howard Dean's resignation. The controlled bias MSM is an eye opener for many Americans. Everyone I know is voting for Obama. Dems. have truned away from core party members and true Americans. For the first time in my life-early thirties. Voeting for a Republican. We have seen these thugs who call themselves thre new Dem party intidate, name call and respect decent Americans. Nazi tactics. We will organize and campaign for Mr. McCain. He at least has experience and love for our country. Which can not be said for Obami. He and his thug followers will down to defeat. That is what happened in the Joe Libermane election in Conn. When the rafical leftists took over the Conn party. Did you note that Conn. went for Hillary. I say to Hillary give them Hell-don't give in to their indimadations. And yes we believe in the Larry Siinclair allegations.. Why are these charges are not at the very least being investigated??
 
Please forgive my previous entry..typing and watching video makes for major typos! Bottom line Everyone I know voting for John McCain if Obami becomes Dem. nominee.
 
Well, Joseph this saddens me, really, as Cannonfire was the first blog to link to me, back when I had one or two posts under my belt. Blogging is a funny thing, like you I have thought of quitting many times. I get 2-300 visitors a day or so, some from Cannonfire, but I don't need any of them. Blogging has had its reward and its frustrations. High points were being contacted by Joan Mellon and Peter Dale Scott.This is a low point but really I do not take all this as personally as you do.

I had thought that we could honestly, if strongly, disagree. Did I take offense when you said that "all" Obama supporters are mentally ill? I am just waiting for you to compare Obama to Hitler. You know you want to.

I don't know if this comment will be "approved" but I know it will be read and that's the important thing. Anyway, thanks for all the links over the years, and I hope that you keep up the April 1 posts, that is if you don't lose your sense of humor altogether.
 
Like Rosa Maria said ..... It will all be blamed on Hillary if Bam-Bam loses the general.
 
"It's a movement. In some polls, 40%of Hillary voters tell pollsters that they will not vote for Obama." -JC

As a card carrying member of the 40percentile club, I'll vote for Nader before I'll vote for HOpebama.

As for his oration skills, click below link

BARACK OBAMA: THE ILLINOIS ENEMA BANDIT

http://tootruthy.blogspot.com/2008/03/barack-obama-illinois-enema-bandit.html
 
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Sunday, May 25, 2008

Did he do it?

Japanese physicist Yoshiaki Arata demonstrated cold fusion to an audience in Japan. He claims that his method is "highly reproducible," although I don't know if anyone outside of his lab has reproduced it.

Well, we've seen this movie before. Maybe this time it will end differently.

Wikipedia says that Arata is "a strong nationalist," which some may take as a sign of crankishness. If he really does have lightning in a bottle -- I'm not an optimist, but let's just say -- would he take steps to make sure that only Japan benefits from it?
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if he did it, sell crude futures,,,,you'll make a billion.
 
Joe don't know how crankish. Arata's had hundred of paper published.. been working on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (also known as Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reactions or cold fusion if you must)-- and you can read most of them at the LEN-CANR library. Incidentally you can also find a document at the library from Amoco's research on LEN-CANR where they found a net increase in energy, but then decided to drop the project...
 
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A look back

Perhaps you are nostalgic for the gentler days of this campaign. If so, check out this video interview with Elizabeth Kucinich. It was made last November, but I stumbled across it only now -- and I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Two crimson-necked red-state caricatures showed up at a Democratic debate in order to make fun of the proceedings, only to end up falling head-over-heels in love.
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Question

I know that Josh Marshall did not turn against the war until fairly late. What did Moulitsas, Huffington, Aravosis, Mark "Buzzflash" Karlin and Skinner (DU) think -- in 2003?
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Can't tell you what he thought about the war way back when, but in case anyone here is curious, Skinner actually post a defense of Clinton's "assassination reference" in the DU: Primaries forum yesterday which was pretty good (he tried to tell the Obama folks that he didn't see evidence she was trying to get Obama killed).

It'll be interesting to see if anyone gets banned for flaming him about it. Little known thing about DU.com—one of the only surefire ways to get banned is to insult a moderator or an administrator straight out; they hate that (although insulting Democratic presidential candidates and other posters is okay as long as it doesn't violate the other relatively lax posting guidelines, apparently).
 
By your implication, the wrong belief in 2003 would have been aligned with Hillary Clinton (and John Edwards) and opposed to Obama. Edwards admits he made a mistake in authorizing force. Obama has been on record against the Iraq war since the beginning. Clinton? Yet to admit she thought it was a mistake.
 
Jen, I saw that. Skinner also said that the statement was a "major gaffe" -- which it was not. I'd probably say the same thing. Again. Hindsight and all. Hillary was saying that the frontrunner could change late in the race. The last time that happened was 1968. But RFK didn't REALLY zoom out in front because he could not complete the campaign. I don't know how you can draw the comparison without mentioning the assassination!
 
m.jed, it was Obama himself, when making excuses for the pro-AUMF votes of Kerry and Edwards, I guess, who implied the vote might not have been a mistake, when he said because he wasn't privy to the intel the Senate saw, he wasn't at all sure how he would have voted if presented that data.

It was Kerry who said that, knowing what he knew now (2004. then, he still would have voted for the AUMF act. Obama supported Kerry after his comment to this effect. By contrast, HRC has since said that knowing what we know now, then, there wouldn't even have been a vote held, let alone having it passed.

Let's face it. If you want to be considered a serious presidential contender, you have to signal your willingness to resort to war, the lifeblood and health of the state in the opinion of the military-entertainment complex.

Knowing that, Obama shrunk from his prior anti-war position, made sure the speech was never recorded, and took the transcript off his website, and then voted for the war (as votes for funding it have been characterized), while stating there was little difference between his and George W.'s policies for Iraq.

Partially because of his perceived pacifism, BHO has had to saber rattle and talk tough about the use of military power, including a claim that he'd violate the sovereignty of a delicately balanced, poised for coup by Islamicists, Pakistan.

As for the 'responsible' supposed left-leaning blogger types, they took a Mike O'Hanlon type as credible, and lined up in favor of the argument for pre-emption.

...sofla
 
Yeah, sof. I looked into BO's war stances (note the plural) in a couple of previous posts. He has been all over the damn place -- although when local interviewers, who knew the score, asked him in 2004 if he would still have voted against hte resolution, he did say yes -- with some reluctance, or so I read it.

But the facts remain:

1. When he spoke out against the war at a public event in 2003, he did so as the representative of a very liberal district. He would have run a risk taking any OTHER position.

2. Running for Senator in 2004, all of his Democratic opponents also opposed the war. Such are the politics of Illinois. Obama was much more reticent than they to discuss the issue.

3. When he spoke at the Democratic Naitonal Convention -- his national debut -- he refused to denounce the basis of the war. He simply criticized the way it was being fought. By contrast, both Clinton and (nomnee) John Kerry admitted in thier speeches that the war was founded on a lie.

The evidence is there on YouTube for anyone to see. I never could see why everyone loved that speech so much. Even at the time, I thought it was poorly-delivered boilerplate stuff.

I've never been impressed by the guy's rhetorical ability, and I can't believe that he is considered a magnetic speaker.

(Then again, do we have ANY great orators these days? I've asked that before, and have yet to receive any heartening replies. The only political speaker who enchanted me this season was Elizabeth Kucinich. It's the accent. Slays me every time. I confess my weaknesses.)
 
Elizabeth seems like a nice person, but her husband is an absolute ass. Of all of the candidates I met in person during the Nevada caucus campaign (and I met seven of the eight Democratic candidates--Gravel didn't campaign here--and three Republican candidates), Dennis Kucinich was the only one I really didn't like. He was all ego, the stereotypical short guy, and he couldn't be bothered with people who waited a long time and came to the convention center in the snow to see him. No, it was much more important to him to go to the local radio station and give an interview rather than to take the time to meet and greet with supporters. He was a total ass. I was one of the few out of hundreds who met with him and got his autograph. He was a jerk though, and he should have stuck around until the end. Nobody else who campaigned in Reno who I saw in person, including Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton, were that way.
 
I think Al Sharpton is a great orator, and my beloved John Kerry is still good, although he has to prepare to be great.
 
I would really be interested in knowing where Mark Karlin stood in 2002. As I remember it, he was defending the 2002 authorization but I may be remembering wrong.
 
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If you read this, you can't unread it

After hearing me rave about Ellen Page's performance in Juno, a friend told me to check out her earlier work in Hard Candy. I wouldn't have believed that anyone could make a good movie about castration. But they managed to pull it off.
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And don't forget her fine work in the third X-Men film.
 
Gee, I thought YOU would get it, gary.

Yeah, that's where I first saw her. She stood out for me because Kitty was always my favorite X-Man. Wish she had more screen time!
 
Gary, I can't print your most recent comment because you give away a plot point. Haven't seen "Teeth" yet but I understand it would serve just as well, perhaps better.

Ms. Page is scary talented. And not just as a surgeon.
 
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Saturday, May 24, 2008

What if Hillary ran as an independent?

An increasing number of people are coming to understand that Barack Obama may win the nomination, but will probably lose in the general. His obstinate refusal to allow revotes in FL and MI has created resentment in those states; he'll never win 'em. Ohio doesn't like him. PA and VA are iffy. Forget MO. He's not terribly popular among the Hispanics of the southwest, although choosing Richardson could help him there. He is stronger than Hillary in very few places, primarily in Colorado and Oregon.

Worse: Obama's numbers are going to head down, down, down as soon as the McCain surrogates start to publicize the corruption in Illinois.

Evelyn Pringle's latest work gives a hint of what is to come. Not only is Obama unlikely to be president, he may face charges.

Right now, the Nobama movement is gathering steam. The O-blogs keep hurling insults, even when doing so is against their interest. Insanely, they want all suporters of Hillary Clinton -- half or (slightly) more than half -- to leave the Democratic party.

What if we do bolt? What if we collectively decide that fanatical "progressives" (read: Libertarians) have taken over what was once our party, and that we cannot keep such odious company? What if we decide that we can no longer tolerate their verbal violence any more than we can tolerate Austan Goolsbee's free trade fundamentalism or Zbig's drive for a new Cold War?

What if Hillary ran as an indepedent? We have data.
The survey also considered a match-up with Senator Hillary Clinton running as an Independent candidate. In that match-up, it’s McCain 32%, Obama 31%, Clinton 22%, Barr 3%, and Nader 3%. In that match-up, Obama wins 50% of the vote from Democrats while Clinton gets 35% and McCain 7%.
Flashback: 1992. At roughly this point in the race, Bill Clinton was running third, behind Ross Perot and Poppy Bush.

A ten-point spread between McCain and Clinton in a three-way race means that a Clinton run is feasible. She would be a contender, not a spoiler. When the Messiah stands revealed as just another wiseguy from Chicago, his awakening cultists will be grateful to have somewhere to go (other than the Hell they've earned).

Of course, if Hillary goes indy, the Kossacks will make endless comparisons to Lieberman. I don't care for Lieberman -- in fact, I disliked the guy before disliking him was cool. But let's face it: He won.

So let the O-Bots scream their insults: That's what they do. If the progs shout us offstage instead of trying to woo us back, they will only harm themselves -- like the scorpion who cannot resist stinging the frog.
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Joseph, it's interesting that you found a poll positing Hillary running as an Independent. I've been thinking about this possibility for the past few weeks and wondering if it were viable.

Personally, I think it's a great idea - if the democrats decide to fall off a cliff with Obama. I'm completely convinced that he is unelectable. There are electoral college maps all over the place that leave no doubt. And the Republicans also think so, as evidenced in the Politico article today.

I'm pretty convinced that the democratic party is going to split over this anyway. If Obama wins the nomination, they are basically giving it away to McCain. So why not give all the Reagan democrats and all the other electoral groups Hillary commands a real alternative? The only fly in the ointment is whether Hillary would go for it. She's a very loyal Democrat. But I'm sure she's well aware that Obama is unelectable, which is one reason she's fighting so hard.
 
I would vote for her if she did. I won't vote for Obama.

I am sure you have seen this..

Barack Obama and the Unmaking of the Democratic Party

http://tinyurl.com/57fhft
 
I hope it doesn't come to splitting the Democratic Party. This will mean Republican rule for decades, just what Karl Rove and Grover Norquist want.

Third parties won't work in this country; a person can't possibly be elected president and be able to get anything done with Congress. It's fantasy.

I looked at Pringle's articles; she did a five-part series centering on Rezko and the trial, and Obama will be damned lucky if he isn't indicted. If he is, it had better be quick.
 
Hillary will not run as an independent, she'll support Barack. Interesting that in the poll with Hillary running as an independent, Barack still manages basically a tie with McCain. Recent polls, including the LA Times poll you posted about, show Obama ahead of McCain, even given the current Clinton-Obama friction. After Obama gets the nomination many of Hillary's supporters will come around to Obama. On a state-by-state basis, you're right it will be more difficult for Obama, but not impossible. Is Barack the new McGovern destined to lose big? Or is he the Democratic Reagan who was was considered by many to be too far-right but went on to serve two terms. I would still bet on Obama.

Did you see the WorldNetDaily piece on Obama smearing him as a Communist? Apparently the right is afraid that calling him a liberal might not be enough, so they've found a former HUAC investigator who thinks Obama is a closet Communist. This isn't even swift-boating it's 50's red-baiting. Some Hillary supporters are jumping all over this in comments but I don't attach the same importance to commenters that Joseph does.

Obama has survived the worst of the Wright affair, and his association with Bill Ayers. The red-baiting won't work. The corruption story might work but only if there's anything there, and so far there isn't, and, no Joseph, Patrick Fitzgerald has not targeted Obama.
 
"Hillary will not run as an independent, she'll support Barack."

Probably. I would prefer it to be otherwise.

"After Obama gets the nomination many of Hillary's supporters will come around to Obama."

Bullshit. Stop kidding yourself. You have NO IDEA how pissed off people have become after months of bieng called racists because we don't like Obama.

Even Obi understands now that he crossed a line. That's why he initially tried to make political hay out of the RFK thing, and now has tired to rein in his cultists. Too little, too late.

"Did you see the WorldNetDaily piece on Obama smearing him as a Communist?"

That crap is just BS to rile up the GOP base. It won't stick.

"Obama has survived the worst of the Wright affair, and his association with Bill Ayers."

Gary, you said that the Wright affair had been laid to rest after the Big Speech. Then it flared up worse than ever. And this was during a primary, in which Hillary has refused to use it against Obi. (When was the last time you saw Wright in a Clinton commercial? Never, right?) Guarantee: The REAL Wright attack will hit when and if it is a pure McCain-Obi fight.

Ayers? That has yet to hit. Even most Dems don't understand how close Ayers was to Obi. Not many months from now, you're going to see commercials featuring Ayers stomping on the flag...interviews with the victims...

"and, no Joseph, Patrick Fitzgerald has not targeted Obama."

Hee hee hee. You haven't read the latest, have you? Prepare for a shock.
 
No, I haven't read the latest because I'm in a secure, undisclosed location supposedly celebrating Memorial Day, but really jonesing on politics.

But I still say that power protects power and that Obama will not be prosecuted.

But what a delightful thought. Just as he's nominated, he gets indicted. This throws the entire political system into crisis. Patrick Fitzgerald becomes the most famous Irishman in history since Saint Patrick. I love it, I love it I love it. You can't make this stuff up.

Hillary will never run as an independent, you can take that to the bank. She'll support Obama, watch him go down in flames, and be around for 2012, tanned, rested and ready. Another Clinton, after another one-term Republican President.
 
I agree she can win as an Indie. It may very well make her a more attractive candidate.

I strongly disagree with the notion that if she wins she could not lead. Most Democratic presidents - Carter, Clinton for example - heavily relied on opposition party to get things done.

I think it is pretty much a given that Obama will lose, it seems to me if she does run there is a good chance she'll
 
But do I WANT Hillary to win? I'd love to see Obama run and fail. Or: If Obama gets the presidency, I would love to see him exposed in office. Either way, we can get rid of the progs and return the Democratic party to the liberals.
 
Oh, Gary, you really do need to do some more research about what millions of voters honestly think about your beloved candidate. He would have not a hope in hell against John McCain. And rest assured, without Clinton in the race, we'd be looking at 3 in a row for the GOP! There really is only one question for the Democratic party to ask at this point: who can beat McCain? We all know the answer. Clinton can. Obama can't. We all need to just face this fact and get on with it. I am not going to say Obama should drop out of the race - I won't stoop so low as to ask that. But, come August, some sense better have returned to the Democratic party and they better choose Hillary Clinton or it's game over, lights out!
 
There is a reason why the media have pumped up Obama and why the Republicans were talking him up. One doesn't need to engage in conspiracies to see what is motivating them.

Obama is tainted, pure and simple. If he gets the nomination he will likely be indicted before November, and this will cause untold damage to the Democratic Party.

Surely the higher ups in the party know this, yet they do not pressure him to withdraw his name. Surely Hillary Clinton knows this, and she is in the race to prevent this disaster from wrecking the party. Why is the party hierarchy afraid to tell him to get out? Are they that fearful of the African American opposition, almost none of whom have any idea how tainted this guy is?

That's the question that needs to be asked.
 
Well, as for indictments, it used to be firm DOJ policy as guidelines for prosecutors that prosecutions that impact upon political races should not be brought at such times.

That was the response L. Jean Hanson got from the local GOP-appointed federal prosecutor on her referral from the RTC to prosecute Clinton. Not only that there wasn't any substance to her referral, but that bringing such charges that far into the election season would violate DOJ policy.

Now, I suppose many such precedents and policies are now more honored in their breaching, but I always heard Fitz characterized as a straight arrow, and his complete lack of leaking out of his grand jury proceedings, etc., seems to confirm this about him. Would he violate the old prosecution policies, just because DOJ doesn't care any more about them? Or would he find them binding, and therefore, have no possibility of indicting BHO prior to the election?

...sofla
 
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Friday, May 23, 2008

Now they're going after RFK Jr!

RFK Jr. has said that he did not take Hillary's comments amiss. So now the Obamabots are going after him -- just as they went after Paul Krugman, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame!

Nobody would ever make death threats while speaking privately to a group of newspaper editors. Yet O-Bots believe that Hillary did just that.

Obama-mania -- like McCarthyism, Fascism, Bolshevism and the Inquisition -- is a form of cultural psychosis. I have come to believe that many Obama supporters are mentally ill. I mean that, and will not retract it. Every time I visit the O-blogs, I hear in my imagination Bernard Herrmann's famous passage for strings: SHRIEK shriek shriek shriek SHRACK shrack shrack shrack...

Note: I've just been informed that Keith Olbermann, who recently called for Hillary's murder or incapacitation, has spent five minutes claiming that Hillary tried to incite violence. Keith, see a shrink.
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What have they said about RFK Jr.? It's vile, no doubt, because the obamabots are vile. They'll turn on anyone who doesn't support The Precious. Guess I should be thankful that I gave up visiting the sewers they inhabit (Orange State, Huffpo, etc.) so I don't have to read it first hand.
 
O My dear GOD! Hillary was refering to history and it going into june before anyone knows what just may happen~ for her to stay in this race! never did i associate what she said to nobama being killed!! why do nobamacrats have so much hate in them? i could use some fowl choice of words but have more human compassion in me for all of mankind not to!!! It is all just amazing!

obamacrats, STOP drinking the kool aid! come out from under the hypnosis you have seemed to fall under!!!!

YES~ change will happen alright~ when June shows Hillary what the decision of the people who vote these last primaries want. And then, just maybe she will run Independant and show the haters just who can win this!!!

BTW~ I will NEVER vote nobama, even if she is VP on the ticket!! I will write her in or I just might throw my vote to McCain.

peace to all~
 
Great blog page you have here!! glad a friend sent a link on my space!!! I will be sure to visit daily and make a small paypal contribution!!
 
Thanks, jw4h. I've lost a number of old friends this season -- but I've made new ones, and perhaps better ones.

Many years ago, when I was a kid, I picked up a copy of "Mister Miracle" by Jack Kirby. In this story, our hero's task was simple: He had to get from the top floor of an office building to the bottom floor. There was only one problem: An aerosol-born neurotoxin had transformed everyone in the building into a pack of bloodthirsty maniacs.

I remember that story every time I visit the O-blogs.
 
Olbermann's filthy rant last night was nothing more than hate speech. In truth, he should lose his job over this. It went far beyond mere entertainment. Hillary Clinton's only mistake was apologizing for the RFK remarks. Anybody who saw and heard the interview she gave with the Argus Leader would know that.
 
I would say I'm gob-smacked, but I've learned that no low is too low. I saw Joe Scarborough on Today this am, and he was the voice of reason fer chrissakes.

I didn't even get why it was controversial, then thought because of Teddy (obviously HRC thought same was the only rational thing to apologize for, and even then, I'm so sure all the Kennedys are trolling the tubez this weekend to catch HRC's 87th editorial board interview)

Then I heard good old Axlerod's faux outrage. Jackass should be in the Cirque de Soleil for all the contortions he works to find offense to Obama.

One of the more absurd examples of Obaamaite (not a typo - they're sheep) surrealism involves the kid who sold his bike to donate to HRC. the NYT blog followed up (disguised as interest in such a nice kid, but the undertone was looking to nit-pick ala the Ohio pregnant woman dying anecdote.) The kid was great - so the story ended snarkily that no PR rep could ask for better.

the 'bots went from snarling at Hill the Millionaire taking $ from a kid, to saying she should have refused it and told him to send it to the poor, she should have reimbursed him (illegal, no?) and finally to whether donations from a minor were legal (citing the on-line donation form as "evidence" - eyeroll) and whether that was a violation....wow, just wow. I was going to go back to look for entries for your contest, but that would be the psychological equivalent of diving in the East River buck nekkid with open wounds.

I read here often, and should have commented before just as a gesture of support. You're a highlight on my greatly reduced regular blog tour. Thanks for regular doses of sanity.
 
The official position of the Obama camp is that the remark was "unfortunate." Hillary has apologized if she offended anyone. That's the end of it as far as I'm concerned. Personally I rarely even read the comments at DailyKos or other sites. It would not even surprise me if Republicans were posting nasty anonymous comments to stir up trouble, although there are nuts on both sides.

Most Obama supporters realize that we are going to need Hillary's supporters in the general election.
 
Your dubious claims to be a serious JFK assassination investigator are now completely dissolved, extinguished, evaporated, and what may be left of all those claims is now a tiny puddle in a filthy street corner of your mind. A tiny, almost unnoticeable puddle of your own uncontrollable urine, you irrelevant mental midget.

Washington Post


In the context of Obama, Clinton's words broke a double taboo, because since the beginning of his candidacy, some of Obama's supporters have feared that his race made him more of a target than other presidential hopefuls. Obama was placed under Secret Service protection early, a full year ago. To be unaware that one's words tap into a monumental fear that exists in a portion of the electorate -- a fear that Obama's race could get him killed -- is an unusual mistake for a serious and highly disciplined presidential candidate.

please go change your clothes
 
It is disgraceful that so many Hillary-haters act out with vile comments about Senator Clinton especially regarding this recent incident in which she references the assassinations while there is more-than-enough reason to deny her the Democratic candidacy for the general election based on her authorization vote given to Bush for an Iraq attack based on that phony intelligence. Sacre bleu.
 
The media are also trying to claim the 1968 extended primary season analogy by Clinton is a poor one because it only lasted three months. The only problem was the primary didn't pick the nominee. The delegates controlled by Hubert Humphrey did--in August, during the convention in Chicago. Humphrey never ran in a single primary. Because the convention was so divisive, the DNC decided to put less power in the hands of the delegates and more control in the primaries. Clinton's comparison is apt; after all, it is very possible this nomination will be resolved in Denver instead of on the 31st of May.
 
Hi Joe,
Been reading a long time. Enjoy your perspective.

I have been on DU patiently grinding out my reasoning for supporting Hillary. With this latest flap I started a post called, "Now its on to Denver and lets win there!" (I was a little irritated with them.) I argued that this kind of hysterical unfounded overreaction would not play will in the fall if they tried to use it against McCain and Obama would lose.

I even said I preferred him to McCain and want a Dem victory in November, that I revere the memory of RFK, etc.

No dice. Within a couple of hours the thread was locked for being inflammatory.
 
Mike: YOU were inflammatory? That's funny indeed!

The great thing about posts like these is that when guys like anon 9:45 show up, they actually help to demonstrate the point I'm making. I used to get a message like that every hour or so; previously, I would delete them after getting a whiff of the writing style -- one or two lines did the trick. But now, I want more.

Gary, your personal reading habits aren't the point. More people visit Kos than turn on cable news.

Although I have to tell you a story. When I talked to the Secret Service guy, I mentioned the website where I saw the death threat. And he said: "Daily Coast?"

I said: "No. Daily Kos. K-O-S. You never heard of it?

"Nope."

Kind of puts the blogosphere in perspective, doesn't it? I think I would have had to define the term "blogosphere" to the guy, if he had heard me use it.

By the way, I gotta ask -- why is it that everyone fixates on the IWR vote when it comes to Hillary, but never anyone else? As I've documented, Kos was once fervntly in the corner of John Edwards, as was I. He voted the same damned way. In the case of Edwards, progs are willing to describe trhe thing correctly: It was not a vote for war per se; it allowed military force if UN resolutions mandating inspectors were not observed. But the inspectors. But the inspectors DID go in, and the UN was happy with their work. Which means that there never was a legal basis for the invasion.

With Edwards, this point is understood. With Hillary, the progs willfully MISunderstand it. Some of them talk as though she planned the war and Dubya were merely her unwilling dupe!
 
On one Obamafacist blog today they had the audacity to claim the RFK comment was directed the the Chosen One.

Oh, please if he could be so lucky. They made it sound like Hillary was staying in the race "in the hope" of getting the nomination because of an Obama assassination.

Found you're site recently, and am quite interested in your libertarian - Freidmanite analysis of the kid.
 
This is such crap. The bots are scared shitless that the superdelegates are starting to get a clue about the electability factor, and are resorting the most vile form of false smear tactics.
I am a female between the ages of 40-50. I once briefly entertained the idea of voting for obi, but not in a very long while. It was not really once thing, just a culmination of arrogant, amateurish missteps along the way that place me firmly in Senator Clinton's camp. If she is driven out of this campaign because of these vile, misogynistic cretins, I will be voting for McCain. Not abstaining - voting for McCain. I know he isn't as Precious, but he is a known commodity who will NOT be worshipped by the faux "free" press. It is a no-brainer for me, and I deeply appreciate bloggers like Joseph who really understand this.

The thing is, I'm just a "regular" working person, and I know at least 75-100 people just like me.
In January 2009, we will either be a swearing in President Hillary Clinton, or President John McCain. Get it???
 
Oh so good to find you!
I'm seriously getting creeped out by BO in the last month. Something really, really 'off' about him. Seriously.
This jumping on the offhand remark by HRC to justify her staying in the race has seriously blown my mind. WTF? It had nothing to do with the asassination for f's sake.
I'm sorry she apologized. There was nothing to apologize for.
I've given up on Alternet, Huff, KOS, KO, Dowd, Randi and their ilk who have all drunk the Koolaid or are getting serious payola from McCain.
Did journalism sneak out the back door and turn out all the lights?
It sure seems like it.
 
Now this is more scary.

New Obama Movie
 
That movie isn't scary. It's right-wing nonsense.

But...I do fear that stuff like that will be effective if and when they keep piling it on.
 
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Proof: ALL Obama supporters are PSYCHOTIC! (Update)

Trying to make a point about how long primary battles have gone on in the past, Hillary Clinton said the following: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."

I might have said the same thing. Frankly, If RFK had not been killed in June, I would have forgotten that primary races have indeed been known to last that long. But the O-Bots interpreted this remark differently: They say -- get this! -- that Hillary was calling for Obama to be assassinated.

No, I'm not kidding. Moulitsas even published calls for Hillary to be killed.

(Update: I contacted a Secret Service field office and read off the death threat against Hillary published on Daily Kos. The person I spoke to seemed to take the matter seriously, and he has promised an investigation.)

We'll get to that presently. First, savor the psychosis over on DU:
She is not safe to be let loose
This Bitch has really done it now!!
Imagine the uproar that would (properly) result if an Obama opponent ever said: "This coon has really done it now!"
THIS IS WHY SHE CAN'T BE THE VP CHOICE! She's horrid.
She is demented.
maybe she's so incensed about the nomination being "stolen" away that she and Bill are thinking of the unthinkable.

Howard Dean was worried about the Clintons' ties to the Dixie mob going back into the nineties.
Oh yeah. Let's see the Dean quote backing that assertion. What ties to the "Dixie mob"?
Get out the straight-jacket for her - this is outrageous!
While many have thought about this (because of the fear in it, and worry about Obama...)..... for her to mention it, as an opposing candidate..is beyond belief...
My God, Hillary, that's just sick.
She is OFFICIALLY a fucked up human piece of trash.
Oh! My! GOD! This woman is wacko!!!!If you ask me, I think she's trying to "plant" ideas. If anything happens...she's Guilty as hell. I'm saving this link and I will make sure she is charged and brought to justice!
I would prop up a stinking corpse before I turn to her.
Now the only vote I would give Hillary is for her expulsion from the party.
I don't care what her point is, you don't talk about the possible assassination of a presidential candidate as reason to stay in the goddamn race.
Do you Hillary supporters have NO shame? This latest scummy utterance from Hillary Clinton is completely indefensible. Completely.
this latest effort on her part clearly destroyed any shred of decency she had.
She is pulling out every trick she can think of. She has stooped as low as Limbaugh now.
So now she's staying in the race just in case somebody kills the nominee?
How much is the bitch offering for the job?
Guess we know where to look if anyone takes aim at Obama. And there for all those years I dismissed those rumors of Clintons killing to get what they wanted or to stay in power. Guess I was wrong!
this is UNCONSCIONABLE, DESPICABLE, UNFORGIVABLE.
HRC's intention is clear: Some RW gunman, lone or not, *could* make an attempt on Mr. Obama's life
Hillary is appealing to the very people who could carry out such a deed, both domestic and foreign.
SHE IS THE WORST PERSON OF THE CENTURY!!! I hope the Secret Service pays her a little visit.
But when Michelle threatened physical violence against Bill Clinton, that was okay...?
Good Plan, Hillary. You could probably wrangle your way to deliver Obama's eulogy. You'd get at least an hour of free air time. There would be pictures of you hugging Michelle Obama. And best of all, there would plenty of contributions coming your way to pay off your campaign debts as well as your hit man.
And now, let us strike the Messianic note:
Obama is too good. If the some of the forces in our government are as evil and dark as some of us suspect, then he will be a target.
Over on DU, the main post is -- of course -- a variant on the theme of "Get this to Keith!"
Please do not give this violent pathological woman the benefit of the doubt. Remember "obliterate Iran" and her war vote. She is violent.
She calibrates everthing she says for political gain
This, from some idiot who believes that she wants to kill Obi. Conclusion: She must think that there is political gain to be had in announcing murder plans to the world in advance. Typical Kossack logic, right?
Put it together with the rest of her garbage. She is hoping that will happen now. itis her last hope.
What kind of society condones political opponents talking casualty about their rivals being assasinated?
and a "who will rid me of this turbulent priest" possibility is one strong reason why this shows a terrible lack of judgment.
I never wondered that she did not have this in the back of her mind...She is that low and that blindingly ambitious...We have been talking about what she meant by 'something might happen'! for a long time!!!! True colors will out!
She wants to be president, if she believes he needs to die for her to be nominated, then I believe she wants him to die. She is a monster and should never be trusted with any decisions regarding the future of this country.
Of course she's saying she wants him dead.
Turns out Sullivan was right--they are sociopaths.
Her words are unconscionable. She no longer deserves the title Democrat. I'm done with her.
The media has given this awful woman an easy time for too long. She is just awful, and it has reached the point of outrageousness. When will they admit that there is something seriously wrong with this woman?
Well, she is, after all "Our Nixon". The American id come to life.
Hillary -- the Id? She was considered Ms. Overly-Calculated not many months ago.
I'VE HAD IT WITH HER DOG WHISTLE RACISM... SHE IS BEHAVING IN A MANNER THAT SUGGESTS THAT SHE IS NOT STABLE.
How amusing: A Kossack calling someone else unstable! Let us continue with this bizarre "dog whistle" theme:
Just like she dog whistled to all her racist friends in WV and KY she's calling for his assassination!!!

SOMEBODY PLEASE STOP HER FROM DOING THIS!!!

I swear to god I will leave this country and damn it to hell if anything happens to him!!!!
It seems like she is possibly using the "dog whistle" technique that could encourage some crazy person out there to act on her comments.
I think it's another seed she's planting
Desperate people...do desperate things.
Hillary, though, is always calculating about everything she says. This is no different.
The "calculation" note is struck again. Odd, isn't it? These people refer to the statement as a major gaffe -- and yet they also think it is calculated.
She couldn't pick another candidate out of all the presidential races who was still in it in June? She had to pick one who was assassinated?
Actually, yes. 1968 was the last time (if I recall correctly) a "come from behind" candidate could have raced out in front in the final stretch. RFK did not have front-runner status going into June, but he probably would have had it by month's end. RFK would have won the nomination late in the game, if not for the assassination. I don't know how you can mention this history without making any reference to his death.

In other words, in terms of Democratic primary history, she was comparing her chances to RFK's chances at a similar point in his campaign. The full video makes this clear. Rosy thinking, perhaps -- but she was hardly saying "Kill Obama!"
I've had it...FUCK YOU HILLARY
She's become a madwoman.
"Bitch" is too kind a word to describe this megalomaniac.
You have to read the following comment in context to understand that this is a Kossack calling for Hillary to be killed. Moulitsas does not delete the comment or alert the Secret Service.
And a Drive-By Won't Be Out of the Question. What goes around, comes around. The stupid fucking bitch !!
The same commenter, jcarter, later writes:
Talk About WHITE TRASH that bitch better keep looking over her shoulder.
The Vince Foster Issue Should Be Investigated Again. Clintons just showed that their ambitions know no limit.
Does she have a hit on him?
She knew the ramifications before she made the statement. She is playing percentage politics.
Again: This is from someone who thinks she called for assassination. Apparently, there is a "percentage" in making such a statement in public. Kossack logic.
I know she is capable of some real slimy subliminal messages.
So Hillarys "Nuclear Option" Is An Assasination
She is giving permission to nutcases to lock-n-load and to aim-n-fire, to 'help' her.
Looks to me like all the nutcases are on Obi's side.
This strategy worked quite well in ancient Rome. I think the preferred method of knocking off rivals to the throne was by poison. Maybe Obama needs a taster.
Kay has a list of dead peoples somehow related to Clintons.
HRC: Why Cant We Kill Him Bill Why Cant We...
She IS a Republican
Breaking* Hillary vows to continue race until all the bullets are counted.
You know that racists and nutty supporters are out there listening to you. You know the effect this is having on them. Your behavior, Sen. Clinton is subhuman. In fact even animals will be ashamed of you if I were to compare you to them.
A Kossack accusing someone else of being subhuman. Now that is funny.

On another subject, we have this from DU:
They're both, at heart, southern racists who know how to play WEDGE politics.
I know it hurts ... yes, it hurts BAD to realize that "the Clintons" are shameless race baiters and do not deserve our respect.
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All one has to do is go to the Argus Leader website, Hillary is 44, my blog, or any number of other sites to get the complete video Clinton's remarks in context. Of course she was talking about the historical context of extended primaries, which have been the rule rather than the exception. She made a good argument against the frontloading of primaries.

Clinton was brilliant in the interview. She answered a variety of questions, including questions about water issues, Native American issues, health care, and so forth. She was great.
 
i just got done watching a dvd about Nickolas tesla. When Edison said AC kills people, and then was used in an electrocution, the masses went crazy for Tesla's blood.

It's nice to see that the progressive movement is so, ummmm progressive?
 
I'm happy you called the Secret Service, Joseph. While I feel Clinton's remark was inappropriate, the response from her critics has been INSANE. I understand why some are upset, but there is no excuse for promoting violence.

At this point, especially considering the response from Obama supporters, I am just as worried about HRC's security as Obama's security. This thing is out of control.
 
Having seen the whole long video, I don't thinks he said anything inappropriate. I mean, RFK entered June as a come-from-behind candidate. He probably would have ended the month as the sure-thing front-runner. So that is the precedent one must point to in order to show that front-runner status can change in June. I don't see how you can tell the story without mentioning why RFK never actually became the front-runner.

RFK Jr took no offense at her words.

I haven't spoken to my old friend who was shot that night (frankly, we've fallen out of touch), but I got to know him reasonably well, and I feel sure he has not taken offense at these words.

I can't speak for the late Phil Melanson (the foremost expert ont he case, IMO) but we did speak and correspond fairly often, and I feel confident that he would have taken no umbrage at Hillary;'s remarks.

The idea that Hillary would send out "dog whistles" to potential assassins -- while speaking in a private interview with newspaper editors! -- is unimaginably ludicrous.

Even more ludicrous is the notion that her statement was "calculated." HOW? For what purpose?
 
I think it was inappropriate because it was a reference to an assassination of a presidential candidate during the late primaries and well, she's a presidential candidate and we're in the late primaries. She and her opponent are both facing security threats from an unstable populace. In a race many compare to 1968, when the aforementioned assassination actually happened.

I don't think she should have "gone there" for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that referencing Bobby Kennedy's assassination during a primary is kinda...scary? Why even bring that up? There were other ways she could have chosen to communicate her position, including simply mentioning that Bill Clinton campaigned later than some may remember and leaving it at that. I further think that a political figure referincing RFK's death in public at this particular point is in questionable taste considering Ted Kennedy's recent change in health status.

But this is not to say I believe she sat down and planned to say something she believed would be intentionally hurtful to her opponent, or that she deserves to be threatened because of the statement. I just think it was highly insensitive and unwise.
 
And now the Kossacks are worshipping Olbermann as a hero because he insulted Hillary non-stop for about 5 minutes. That's ironic and hypocritical for two reasons-

The over-reaction may actually incite violence against Hillary and about a month ago he called for a super-delegate to taker her into a room and only him to come out (and Obamabots didn't get outraged by this).
 
If the Obama followers (I had another noun in mind but decided against getting down to their level) are so sure he is the winner, why they keep attacking everything Hillary does or says? If RFK'son was not offended by the remark but took it in the context it was made, why anybody else should? It is not Obama but many of his rabid followers who worry me.
 
Her comment is EVIDENCE OF A GUILTY MIND.

What does she know about the prospect of a plot? What has she heard? From who? When?

One thing is certain:

She didn't learn of it from Vince Foster or Ron Brown.

Just as Lieberman will be installed as McCain's #2, leaving the "Senator From Israel" in line for the Presidency in the even some "accident" (like the USS Liberty incident) befalls McCain, so to Hillary would be in position to make her husband the "First Lady" instead of the "Second Lady" in the event some "accident" befalls a "President Obama."

Inciting your most wacked out supporters to contemplate an act against Obama in order to enable your installation in his rightful spot SHOULD have land you in prison.

As a sitting US Senator, making such a remark against another sitting US Senator SHOULD lead to your immediate removal from office.

Are there ANY laws that politicians can't break?
 
I let this idiotic comment through because the perfume of insanity should be obvious to anyone who gets a whiff of it.

I'm amazed that anyone thinks this way. I'm doubly amazed that people who think this way lack any sense of how bizarre they sound to normal people. I'm triply amazed that people who think this way come HERE.

Hit me with more psych-O-sis, my O-Bot friends. I'm putting all your choicest comments on their very own website, and it will be there until November, if Obama wins the nomination.

I'm sure you will keep sending me this material even though it is against your interest to do so. As the Scorpion said -- it is in your nature.
 
Hmm. This latest trashing of Hillary is a step-by-step example of the Obama cult's technique: 1. wait for Hillary to use words 2. assue the words are all about Obama in the worst possible way 3. go apeshit
 
All right-thinking people know the intent behind Hillary Clinton's remark to cite a timeline, not voice a wish for Sen. Obama to meet a ghastly fate. Everyone would be horrified if anything happened to Sen. Obama, as we would be if something happened to Sen. Clinton (although I'm not at all certain Sen. Obama's supporters share THAT sentiment).

Worse comments have been made, to slide by the American public's consciousness and replaced by this newest one for media to twist and for egghead supporters to hurl toward their opposition. Of more concern are comments which show a lack of geography by a candidate of the country he wants to lead: i.e. we have only 50 states, NOT 57, Oregon borders no Great Lake, and which states border the one in which he resides.

This latest attempt to demean Sen. Clinton is a pile of BS, and the media and Sen. Obama's campaign handlers and supporters are having a blast smearing themselves in it.
 
Well, Sandy -- the worst lie I can think of this primary season -- and one of THE worst ever -- came during a debate when Obama said that he barely knew Tony Rezko and had done merely five hours of legal work for the guy. An FBI mole later reported that Obi and crime boss Tony were on the phone EVERY DAY, and that Obi was always coming by the office.

Furthermore, that law firm Obi worked for was a small place set up almost entirely as Tony's game preserve -- Tony spotted BHO at Harvard and offered him a gig.

Can you imagine -- CAN YOU FREAKING IMAGINE what would have occurred if Hillary had told a whopper on that level?
 
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Caucus cheating by Obama forces. Plus: RED California!

There's a whole blog devoted to this question. And here. And here.

Did I call the shot or what? It's not official yet, but word has it that an L.A. Times poll will put McCain ahead of Obi (but not Hillary) in California. I told you: We ain't as blue as you think.

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I'm going to add your website to http://www.Hillary-Wins.com and http://www.caucusrebellion.com

Thanks for cariing!

-Alessandro Machi
 
I purposely am making a second comment so you can delete it after reading it. You left out the letter "t" in the word cheating. You might get more hits if you put that t back in, lol, unless you know something about google that I don't.

Actually, the official URL address may stay the same even if you correct it, so I don't know if changing it now helps, but I assume it will???
 
Whoops! Thanks for catching the misspelling.
 
OK, the LA Times finally posted the poll:

"Obama led McCain in the poll, 47-40%; in a Clinton matchup with the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, she got 43%, he held steady at 40%.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/california-poll.html
 
Well no you did not.

"Hillary Clinton may have scored a solid win over Barack Obama in California's presidential primary on Feb. 5 (as she frequently likes to remind folks these days), but a new L.A. Times/KTLA poll finds he would fare better than she in the battle with John McCain for the state in November (a result the Clinton camp won't be touting)."
 
I confess to being surprised by that poll result -- since virtually all other California polls have come to the opposite conclusion.
 
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Thursday, May 22, 2008

Psych-O-Bots

Hours have passed and my hate brigade has not written me any love letters. Where are you now that I need you?

I'm going to put together a compendium of the most psychotic, over-the-top, hate-filled rants by Obama supporters. I may even offer an award of some sort for the most insane example of Clinton-hate. So please...

1. If you are an O-Bot, don't stop now! I know I've been deleting all your offerings. But now you will have an audience. So pass it on, and puh-leeeze...make it as sick as possible! I know you can do it. I've seen you do it.

2. If you are not an O-Bot, please send along the choicest examples you can find from elsewhere on the net.

For examples of the kind of thing I'm talking about, check out the comments from Sam Seder's lunatic listeners.
No one can drive me to the brink of madness like the Clinton family. No one.
And then, once again, the only family who can do this to me, had managed to push me yet again into unholy madness. It is mind-numbing. This isn’t an election anymore. This is a secret bet between Bill and Hillary ala Trading Places in which they bet how much bullshit they can make the electorate swallow.
It's official, everybody hates her
there is no way Mark Green would let Sam say anything bad about killary!
Yep, the 1990s really were the Nightmare Years, weren't they?

I'm not sure yet what to call the award, but it will go to the World's Sickest O-Bot. If anything particularly rank (or funny) comes to your attention, send it to my email address or append it as a comment. I'll be putting the entrants on their very own page.
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well Joe, I am fresh out of vile comments about anyone including you.
Just thought I say hello, since you seem lonely!
BTW, consuming that much hate can not be good for your health.
 
No sympathy for you. You are part of the problem with this country, biased and polarizing. Fuck off.
 
That's it! You guys have been gone ALL DAY, just when I needed you! Don't leave me in the lurch, fellas...more, MORE!
 
Nice picture of yourself ! You look so natural in that vest...
 
Like fuck I would ever help you or any other lover of Killary Hinton I bet she fucks you in the ass with a heated dildo Calling you a piece of shit is an insult to pieces of shit.
 
You just live for one purpose to destroy everything that is good and natural and anti-corporatist. In closing, I would just like to say John 3:16 in the Bible, you lying fuckface.
 
hahaha, john 3 16 you fuckface. doesnt get any sweeter than that. i dont even like hillary but the zealous bomotrons make me wanna support her even more. priceless, all of these so called democrats(libertarians i mean) demeaning their fellow comrades .

jersey shore dude
 
Ooh..I have one..
here is a typical post from the clownhouse called democrat underground:
This little gem comes from an ass named "ballsalicious" if you can believe it..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6086551

The title of this intelligent tamtrum is "Fuck you Hillary Rodham Clinton... Fuck You"
and its on Democrat Undergrounds greatest page..aren't the Proggies making us proud?
Jon
 
Ignore the 10% or so of haters. Most of the Obama people I know have a mix of mild annoyance with some of the Clinton tactics to significant respect for her as a person and politician with much good memories of the 8 years of peace and prosperity and just WELL RUN GOVERNMENT from Team Clinton compared to the fiasco now with Bush.

Anyway, it looks like your woman may be the VP choice for Obama. What do you think of that?
 
Well, Joseph obviously you suffer from an unrequited love for that LESBIAN murderous SHE-BITCH Hillary (remember VInce FOster!!) but give it up, she only cares for that MUSLIM al qaeda agent Huma Abedin (can't blame her though--I'd let her lick my balls).

Do I win?
 
This is pretty amazing. This guy that I have a professional relationship with kept sending me anti-Hillary crap. (he is a big time lefty and Obama supporter). I told him to stop, but he kept sending these crappy emails. Finally, I said that I would not be able to keep contracting with him until after the election due to his overboard Hillary hatred.

He relented . . . or so I thought. I hired him to write some tax stuff for my firm (totally unrelated to any political issue). One issue he is writing about is a recent Supreme Court tax case originally from Kentucky. Here is part of what he wrote (to me in an email):

". . . Kentucky (home of the hardworking, white, working class -- read "redneck" -- vote that that multimillionaire, Wall Street funded Clinton has suddenly found an affinity for), . . ."

I did everything I could not to respond. So, I decided to respond here . . . just to show how these Hillary haters continue to walk around with a Hillary ball and chain around their ankles. Free yourselves Hillary haters!
 
gary, you can't fake psychosis. Although your obsession with Huma does carry the day.

phlipper, PLEASE send that stuff to me! Or tell your pal to write to me directly. My prediction is that he would do it even if given advanced warning that doing so would not be in his interest -- for reasons given in my "Frog and the Scorpion" post.

anon, Hillar is not "My woman." As I've stated many times, I wish she had not run. I support her only because she is the only thing standing between Obama and the nomination. My picks were Edwards and Biden.

I don't think Hillary should take the VP spot. She can't win him any states. He would still lose Ohio and Florida, which means that he is sunk. His best bet would be to tab Bill Richardson, whose task it would be to bring NM into the fold.
 
Here's one. Not from online, but happened to me personally. I told an African American friend that I was supporting Hillary, not Barack, and I got an envelope a couple of days later with a cut out newspaper article in it. The article was about how if anyone doesn't support Obama, then they must be racist. The funny thing about the article- it was using the same lines in defense of the argument for Obama that the women's movement has been using for years... like that men are "assertive" in business, but women are "bitches", just with just a little change of words to fit African Americans instead of women.

Also, I guess I underestimated the stupidity of Oregonians, since I thought it would be a closer race here. Sorry.

Kyre
 
Thanks for the story.

What bugged me about the Oregon coverage were the bloggers who brayed about the 50,000 (or was that 70,000?) who showed up "to hear Obama." These stories rarely mention that the Decembrists gave a free concert.

If you go to the new Indiana Jones movie tonight, try this: Just before the lights go down, bow tot he audience and say "Thanks for coming." You'll feel like a jerk, true. But afterwards, you can claim that they all showed up to see YOU.
 
You are a wise and clever man, Joe Cannon. I too had the same idea. (hehe).

If you want a never ending psychosis of Anti-Hillary babble to demonstrate just how psychotic the internet pro-obama fringe is, check out Huffington Post any time day or night.

I did an article on Hillary-wins.com in which I correctly predicted the Huffington Post Headline spin on Hillary Clinton's West Virginia Win a day in advance.
 
This was posted to No Quarter recently:

Stop Hillary Now | jkldjlkj@jlkjkldj.net | IP: 98.145.181.16

“We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it,” she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

Hillary is batshit, Liebercrat crazy.

Fuck her with a pitchfork.
 
...egh.

The hate out there is really something. You'd think there'd be a certain level at which it would start to peak. Most days I hope today is the day it begins to ebb. Why haven't we reached that day yet?
 
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20%

I've been hoping to avoid it, but we might as well deal with the exit poll of Kentucky voters. The poll said that some 20% of respondents admitted that race played a factor in their vote. The vast majority of that 20% went for Hillary.

Damning evidence of racism in the Democratic party? Not if you look at the wording.

I would have answered "Yes" to a question of that sort if asked why I voted for Obama in the California primary. The Democratic party has never picked a black person as either the presidential or vice presidential nominee. I felt (and feel) that it is high time for the party to do so. Hell, it was high time before I was born. Of course, this was not my sole criterion for choosing Obama -- my main concern was electability. But, yeah, race did enter into my thoughts.

What if I lived in Kentucky? Again, I would have answered "yes" to the question. Race -- or at least racial issues -- would have affected my decision to vote against Obama. I feel that his campaign has unfairly accused the Clintons, and Clinton supporters, of bigotry. That doesn't mean I would have voted against Obama because he is black; I would have voted against him based on the way he used race in the campaign.

Lots and lots of Democrats turned against Obama for this reason. The media and the Big Blogs try to minimize our numbers. They try to pretend that Obama's only remaining Democratic foes are Hillary-crazed feminist silly-billies who will fly into a rage if the person behind the president's desk owns something other than a vagina. But millions of people share my sense of outrage at Obamabot "racist-baiting."

Right now, Obi may be the only black person I definitely don't want to see in that office. Jeremiah Wright? Alan Keyes? Lemme think about it. But not Obama. For all sorts of reasons, he has pissed me off.

I'm seriously thinking of switching to Cynthia McKinney in the general. If I go that route, race will have very little to do with my choice. I like her on the economy, on the war, and on the impeachment of W -- although her friendly attitude toward the 9/11 kooks bugs the hell out of me. I must admit, though, that it'll be cute to watch my enemies try to call me a bigot for being a man of Cyn.

What about those voters who, not racist themselves, don't feel that a black person can win in the general? They may have voted for Hillary not to block a black man but to block John McCain.

The Confluence had some interesting figures:
In Georgia 18% of voters said that gender was an issue, and those voters backed Obama by 12 points. Does that mean that Georgians are a bunch of sexists who would never vote for a woman? I don’t remember the media making a big deal about that at the time.
Nahh. Sexism doesn't matter. On Florida:
Additionally, when asked if the US is ready to elect a woman President, 17% said no, and the majority of them voted for Obama. Using their very same logic it is starting to look like Obama supporters are a bunch of sexist cavemen.
In Connecticut, which Obama won, 15% of voters said that race was a factor in their voting decision. Of those voters, the overwhelming majority voted for Obama. Since only 9% of the voters in CT were black, then some of those voters who considered race must have been both white, and voted for Obama. Using the media’s stupid reasoning, how can we explain this?
Next time, the exit pollsters need to ask a follow-up question. If race affected the vote -- in what way and to what degree?
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Damned good points

Harold Ford: A brief, important point appeared on The Confluence:
Question For The Day: If Appalachia’s inbred racist hicks...

...explain BO08’s 30-65 loss in Kentucky’s closed Democratic PRIMARY Election — how did Harold Ford possibly rack up 48% of the statewide popular vote for Senator in Tennessee’s 2006 GENERAL Election?
Of course, mention of Harold Ford's name will automatically trigger the progs to scream about the ghastly DLC. But that reaction misses the point.

I would add: Why did Obama's campaign manager say that all the white racists were now hard-core Republicans?

Colin Powell: In earlier posts, I've asked: If racism is the sole factor motivating opposition to Obi, then why was the presidency once Powell's for the taking? The Real Spiel took note of this point, and added
In fact, the press went all a-twitter when a Time/CNN poll in 1995 showed that Powell could potentially beat Bill Clinton by 10 points if he decided to run as a Republican. The article opened with this telling statement, "To be born poor and black and into an inner city neighborhood does not mean you can't achieve your highest ambitions."
"One must be careful about what one writes." That's my favorite line from The Four Musketeers -- and it should be pasted above every blogger's monitor. Consider Kos, for example. His words from January -- not so very long ago -- seem to come from another, saner universe:
Clinton was the only top-tier candidate to refuse the ultimate Iowa and New Hampshire pander by removing her name from the Michigan ballot. That makes her essentially the de facto winner since Edwards and Obama, caving to the cry babies in Iowa and New Hampshire, took their name off Michigan's ballot. Sure, the DNC has stripped Michigan of its delegates, but that won't last through the convention. The last thing Democrats can afford is to alienate swing states like Michigan and Florida by refusing to seat their delegates.

So while Obama and Edwards kneecap their chances of winning, Clinton is single-mindedly focused on the goal.

Who is tested against the Right Wing smear machine?

Clinton, by far. No one has taken more shit from the VRWC, not by a long shot... Obama has never had a competitive race against a Republican. His best experiences comes from winning primaries. But he's never been in the crossfires of the GOP. Maybe that's why he can pretend that he can move beyond partisanship. Because he's never had to run a partisan race.
He goes on to dis Bill Clinton as an anti-progressive triangulator -- at least that part is consistent -- but he then goes on to say that Hillary is an improvement. Moreover:
Obama has made a cottage industry out of attacking the dirty fucking hippies on the left, from labor unions, to Paul Krugman, to Gore and Kerry, to social security, and so on. People think I was being ticky tack with the Gore thing, and in isolation it would've been but a minor non-event. But it was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me, yet another in a pattern of attacks against Democrats and their constituencies. He is the return of Bill Clinton-style triangulating personified.
(Emphases added) What the hell happened to Kos? It would be cynical to suggest that money exchanged hands. So I won't suggest that.

By the way, if Bill Clinton's (successful) presidency was the epitome of triangular evil, then I say "Screw Moulitsas and Stassinopoulos. If we must take political advice from a Greek, take it from Euclid."

Gene Lyons: Although I've been disappointed by Joe Conason, his one-time co-author Gene Lyons now offers a terrific piece in which he interviews anti-Obama Democrats. The following excerpts feature words from these interviewees, not Lyons:
I‘ve voted for every Democrat from President to dog-catcher since 1952. That will end with Obama...

Just four years out of the state senate. If he were white or female, his candidacy would be a joke... The Democratic left’s need to swoon after eight years of a moron, coupled with unbridled Clinton-hatred, will produce a disaster for the party and country.
He is making his way to Denver by dividing our party over race, which is maybe the most idiotic campaign tactic ever... This time the witch hunt is coming from our side. It’s heartbreaking. Obama supporters want you to think Bill and Hillary Clinton are lifelong members of the KKK. The audacity of hope campaign has had to audacity to go there... This fall, they’ll try to make nice and talk unity, but the people they alienated in the most hateful way won’t be there. They deserve to lose for being so callous and childish.
Are you listening, Moulitsas?
He has no perceptible position on the economy other than: ‘We can do better. Yes we can. Say it with me.’ I foresee broken campaign promises followed by belt-tightening austerity measures in a one-term Presidency. In short, Jimmy Carter in a better-tailored sweater.
I partially disagree. If you look at his aides and associates (ignore his vacuous words), Obama does have an economic position: Libertarianism/Friedmanism. That phrase may lack euphony, but you know what it means. And you should also know that at the intersection of Ayn Avenue and Milton Boulevard, you'll find a massive monument to corruption, patronage, and bribery.
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joseph -

very nice work. you put all the pieces together in a neat little package.

going from memory only, i seem to recall a time when both moulitsas and josh marshall were not especially strong obama supporters. then something seem to happen to each of these guys, as if each had experienced a sudden conversion on the road to ......

i have asked myself what happened? what convinced them so suddenly?

i do not have an answer.

i suspect that in a year or so, we will have a book or a murray waas-like report that will reveal what was really going on in obama's effort to win the democratic nomination.

and, as with iraq, we'll all shake our heads and ask,

how could they?

and

why weren't we told this by the media?
 
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My sentiments exactly, orion. What happened in blog-land in February-March was just TOO weird. I've never seen anything quite like it before.

I can't help feeling that those of us on the outside will one day learn of a factor at play here, something we can only guess at right now.

Well, in terms of guessing --

The real disappointment of this season has been Josh Marshall. DU has been a madhouse for some time. Kos -- well, frankly, that site had been kind of turning me off since late 2006. Americablog? Pheh. I didn't visit that often. But Josh Marshall was the king of bloggers.

And his own columns have usually been more or less fair throughout this campaign season. (Although he hasn't done much writing for a while, has he?) What disappointed me was that he allowed all sort of Kos-style commentary to infest his sites. Some of the craziest, most over-the-top reader "contributions" appeared there.

Now, I've always allowed some wacky comments here too, just to stir up interest. When the shit starts to take over, when the comments section turns into a sewer, I start using the "delete" button.

You know damned well that Josh would have done a lot of deleting if dozens of people had shown up to tout the "Protocols of Zion" or the wit and wisdom and Louis Beam. But he allowed ANYTHING to get through if it was anit-Clinton. His site became indistinguishable from right-wing radio, circa 1994.

So what happened to Josh?

For years, I've suspected that Josh Marshall really wants to BE Josh Liman of "The West Wing."

Maybe he saw 2008 as his chance.

You don't get a job like that unless you work FOR someone during the primaries.
 
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008

The "No O" movement


The "No O" movement is for real.

Alas, this report tries to marginalize the movement as a feminist snit-fit. In fact, the reaction against Obama has many reasons.

This video never mentions the false racism accusations which turned so many against the Savior from Illinois. Neither do we hear about the insane vindictiveness displayed by Daily Kos and other blogs, which have demonized our best post-war president and presented the 1990s as The Nightmare Years. (Of course, Internet arguments don't provide good TV visuals.) This segment makes no reference to the corruption charges against Obi, and it does not mention the revolting Messianic fanaticism of Obama's supporters.

Take special note of Obama spokesperson toward the end. Idiotically, she says that being female gives Hillary "an advantage." Isn't that the exact term which got Geraldine Ferraro in trouble? The parallel is undeniable. And yet no Air America personality will denigrate this spokesperson as a "fucking whore."
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"This video never mentions the false racism accusations which turned so many against the Savior from Illinois."

Apart from you and some other anti-Obama radicals (or good friends of the Clintons like Sean Wilentz who wrote the article you're referring to as "evidence" of this), I don't know a lot of people who believe these false racism accusations. And I don't think this has been great motivation for a lot of voters. Do you really think a lot people in Kentucky were saying "that darn Obama tried to play the race card, I have to vote for Hillary ?!?"

And don't you think the Hillary campaign would be pushing this more if it had substance ? They prefer to play the "We're the poor victim of sexism" card.

Your requirements to believe something against Obama are really different than what you need to believe something against Hillary. You believe anything without much evidence if it targets Obama or one of it's supporter. But you need rock solid proof to believe anything negative about Hillary (always bringing it back to Vince Foster). There's dozens of sites like "Rezko Watch" targeting Hillary and her association with crooks that has the same level of "substance". But you decide to believe only the one targeting Obama.

"And yet no Air America personality will denigrate this spokesperson as a "fucking whore.""

It would be difficult, Randi left AAR for Nova M Radio and she's still in love with herself. She's been impossible to listen to in the last weeks (and in my case, not because she's going postal against Hillary), but she's in a very annoying manic narcissistic stage where she has to tell how great she is every hours.

Btw, do you know one liberal radio show host who doesn't support Obama over Hillary ? (and Kevin James is not a liberal :)
 
Steve Corbett.

But then again, you know that I draw a distinction between liberals (such as myself) and progs (whom I despise). Liberals want a return to the 1945-1980 economic paradigm; progs are Libertarians in disguise.

There is a HUGE anti-O movement out there. And if you don't think my reasons for it are valid, then I can only presume that you belong in the Anyone-Who-Won't-Vote-4-Barry-Must-Be-KKK camp.

The Wilenz piece is absolutely damning, but it is hardly the only one of its kind.

Look, people are wising up. What Obama is trying to do is what Eddie Murphy did in "The Distinguished Gentleman." Remember the scene where he pretended to be the head of the NAACP? Doing a perfect imitation of Dr. King, he guilt-tripped the head of an important congressional committee.

Everyone -- white, black, Asian, Hispanic, everyone -- can now recognise that trick. We can spot it a mile away. We aren't buying it anymore. Doesn't mean we're racist. We're just not going to be manipulated.
 
As for rock-solid proof of all the wild charges against Hillary -- I have rock-solid proof that there IS no rock solid proof.

Ken Starr.

End of story.
 
Well, hyperman, I'm one person who DOES believe that the Obama campaign smeared the Clintons as racists. They even got caught with their own memo and it got mentioned in one of the early debates.

Quite frankly, this is one of the most damning charges against Obama, and one of the most reprehensible smears you could make against another Democrat. I will never vote for anyone who does something like this to get votes, and I don't care if they're the Messiah themselves (which Obama doesn't even come close to being). I've followed this campaign very closely and paid very close attention to each incident as it happened.

Here is just one ludicrous incident: Jesse Jackson Jr. actually telling the press that Hillary's tears had to be examined. Why was she crying about her appearance rather than about Katrina victims? I have never before heard such a ludicrous statement made by a so-called public official about another. What a stupid, stupid comment!

How in bloody hell would he know why Clinton had tears in her eyes? How in bloody hell would he know whether she cried about Katrina or not? Who the hell is he to tell someone else how they should feel about something, or even IF they felt a certain way about something? Was he with her every minute of the day when that whole thing unfolded? But, no, the media just ran with this laughable comment and smeared it all over every network ad nauseum. I watched this stuff happen over and over and over and over again. The Clintons couldn't say anything without it being made into a racist statement. Obama couldn't be criticized about anything without it being racist. Quite frankly, I won't vote for someone who thinks they are above criticism and will simply smear anyone who levels it. No public official is above criticism. I really can't see living through 4-8 years of hearing every dissenter called a racist just because they don't agree with His Perfectness.

It's really unbelievable to me that Obamabots have to believe that their candidate is some kind of perfect creature who is above criticism, who doesn't have to tell anyone what his plans are, who doesn't have to explain his sleazy associates, but can claim anything - no matter how sleazy and unbelievable - about his opponent. No thanks! If push comes to shove, even a McCain presidency would be more restful than that.
 
It is a FACT the Obama campaign smeared the Clintons as racists. The race card was the only thing the Obama campaign EVER had. Get your head out of your rear. They have run the filthiest, most vile primary campaign since the GOP did in 2000 with McCain. Obama will be lucky if he gets D.C. in the fall, should he get the nomination.
 
"The Wilenz piece is absolutely damning, but it is hardly the only one of its kind."

Do you have others ? I have a lot of difficulty believing the accusations against Obama coming from a longtime friend of the Clintons. How can Sean Wilentz be objective ? Would you accept as evidence the content of an anti-Hillary article written by Rev Wright ? I know I wouldn't. I would like some objective analysis of these accusations, not a well written smear job by a Princeton professor who is a good friend of the Clintons.
- "Why do you think you would be a good jury Prof. Wilentz ?".
- "Because I'm a long time friend of the victim your honor and I know with certainty that the accused is guilty !"

"Well, hyperman, I'm one person who DOES believe that the Obama campaign smeared the Clintons as racists. They even got caught with their own memo and it got mentioned in one of the early debates."
Like I said, I know the anti-Obama radicals (the antiobamabot) seem to believe this for now. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm writing a comment on the blog of one of them :) But apart from some blogs, I don't believe you're a big movement (maybe in the Appalachian, a very strategic place for Democrats). Oh yeah, and the memo, big big piece of evidence. I wonder why it's not used more by the Hillary campaign if it was such a damming evidence of systematic foul play. (And I wonder how it was published on Huffington Post ?)

"It's really unbelievable to me that Obamabots have to believe that their candidate is some kind of perfect creature who is above criticism"
I thought that this was the Hillary supporters attitude ! that their Hillary is perfect and beyond criticism. I'm sorry, but by being an "antiobamabot" you're not better than the "obamabot", you're still just a mindless "bot" yourself. I know Obama is not the messiah as I know Hillary is not the messiah (but I know both are better than McCain), but I don't need to cling on tiny speculative evidence to justify a radical hate for one of them and the belief that the other one is a saint (there's people guilty of this in both camps, and both sides will claim the other camp has more and that they are worse). The only thing about the candidates I know for sure is that they are sadly both from the same race of individual called politicians. And with your current system of election finance where they need to raise hundreds of millions to get elected, it corrupts them all. You're not choosing between a saint and el Diablo, you're choosing between the lesser of 2 (d)evils or a Republican demon (or moron).

And are the false accusations of Ken Starr in the past a guarantee that Hillary is pure, perfect and flawless for infinity... and beyond ? Since when being falsely accused in the past become a guarantee that you're a saint ? I don't give Sean Wilentz more credibility than Ken Starr. When your goal is to prove an accusation and not to found the truth, your success rate is sadly higher. That's the main flaw of most "9/11 truther", they are not looking for the truth, but to prove THEIR theory.

"even a McCain presidency would be more restful than that."
I'm sure Hillary, your beloved messiah, and MOST of her followers would not even agree with you on this. I would be surprised a high percentage of Hillary supporters are voting for her because they hate Obama like you do. But it's human to project your feeling to others. It's like the gay community who like to think everyone is gay.

in 2000 and 2004, I remember that some anti-Gore and anti-Kerry radicals in the Democrat party also thought that George W Bush would be a better president than Gore or Kerry !?! Can you imagine how stupid they feel today ? They also had great article showing how Kerry was the devil because he was a member of Skull & Bones, so why not elect Bush anyway, it's the same thing ! As Joseph said before, fighting the anti-Kerry radicals were one of the main motivation for starting this blog... que c'est ironique mes amis.

I'm Canadian (to be more precise, Québécois) and Hillary or Obama, I don't care. But you can say I'm a radical anti-McCain. The only person you're going to punish by directly or indirectly electing McCain is yourself (and the rest of the world who can't vote in the US but has to live with the consequences).
 
I don't remember Starr engaging in false accusations as to HRC. He got the job of finding out whether various accusations had adequate evidence on which to bring indictments, when Janet Reno was forced to cashier the first 'special prosecutor' in favor of the renewed Independent Counsel position, and then the 3-judge panel headed by David Sentelle selected Starr as IC. Reno later acquiesced to Starr taking the various metasticizing scandal charges because Starr hid his conflicts of interest.

But logically, absence of sufficient evidence to have a likely conviction, or at least a plausible probable cause basis for bringing an indictment, doesn't necessarily clear anyone of the underlying charge.

Rather, as Joe said, it shows that there is no solid case extant in the evidence. But people can commit crimes for which there is insufficient evidence to indict, let alone have a reasonable chance of conviction.

Word at the time, from chief Starr deputies' leaks to the press, was that they were about to indict HRC (probably on perjury charges). This was improper, and possibly a violation of grand jury secrecy laws. However, it remains unclear to this day, IMO, whether they had some probable cause sufficient to indict (and just not enough to make conviction likely, therefore braking any such action), or whether even the claim that the threshhold had nearly been met was false.

That is similar to where BHO stands in the Rezko matter at this point.

...sofla
 
Sof, they had nothing on Hillary. Not a thing. Everyone in the media and the judicial system went gunning for her. And they found NOTHING.

Look, with Rezko and Obama, what do you have? I mean, look at the stuff that is on the record and non-controversial, or at least non-controvertible.

You have Obi lying his ASS off during a debate about knowing Rezko. You have an FBI mole proving that the two were involved every day.

You hve Obi recruited by Tony right out of law school to work for his dodgy law firm, which is steeped in Chicago corruption.

You have Obi doing everything he could to make sure Tony could get that corrupt tenement contract, which led to Tony making millions while poor blacks suffered.

You had Tony using dodgy money from overseas to make sure that Obi got a house you could not afford. As part of the deal, Tony's wife (who officially earns about $34,000 a year, as I recall) bought the adjacent property for $615,000.

That's just off the top of my head!
 
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More on Kos and the CIA

Let's follow up on our earlier story on Markos Moulitsas and his strange relationship with the CIA.

In the earlier piece, we noted that his story has certain difficulties, chronological and otherwise. Moulitsas, in a recorded interview, says that he decided to become a clandestine officer in 2001. He went all the way through a six-month interview process.

Just before signing the final papers, though, he decided that he didn't want to go through with it -- ostensibly because he would have been required to serve in a dull "desk job" position in DC for six years before being sent out into the field for all those James Bond-ian thrills and chills. So he decided to join Howard Dean's presidential campaign instead.

Problem 1: The Dean campaign did not begin until 2003. This leaves roughly a year unaccounted for. (Training...?)

Problem 2: Would Moulitsas really have had to spend six years behind a desk in the DC area? Doubtful. Remember all those post-9/11 stories about a CIA manpower shortage?

I asked Larry Johnson about this matter. His reply:
The claim about a six month period to get hired sounds right. In my case, I started the process in March of 1985 and entered on duty on September 1985. However, there is no way that the CIA was going to keep Markos in DC for 6 years, especially in 2001. Remember Johnny Michael Spann, who died in Afghanistan? He was pulled out of training and sent direct to the field because they needed people. Sounds to me like Markos did not get a credible job offer.
I suspect that, if the CIA had doubts about Moulitsas' abilities, the plug would have been pulled before six months had passed. Besides, why wouldn't Moulitsas have been considered a good "catch"?

Moulitsas' claim that he was anxious to get into the field strikes me as odd for another reason. On other occasions, he has said that he was relieved when he learned that he did not have to serve in Iraq during Operation Desert Storm. That doesn't sound like the kind of thing you'd hear from a guy who was rarin' to go where Spann went. Which is it, Markos -- are you Mr. Adventure, or Mr. Play-It-Safe?

In my earlier piece, I wrote:
The CIA is prohibited from operating domestically. Anyone offered a stateside psyop assignment would naturally go through the training course, and then, at the last moment, refrain from signing official employment papers. This is exactly what Moulitsas did.

If you read enough books about American spies, you get the impression that the real problems are caused by the fellows who remain technically non-employed by the Agency.
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Just say it: Daily Kos is one huge psy-op. I've been saying it for a while now.

It's a COINTELPRO-like operation, co-opting and diverting leftists and quasi leftists from making any real trouble. There is no other explanation for it's very quick and seemingly easy rise to prominence.

Ileana
 
Question--Why would Kos even mention that he trained for the CIA? If you were going to operate Stateside in the US, I would think you would want to keep that tidbit quiet. Why advertise? If he was rejected, could it have something to do with his blog--which he said he showed to some officers there and that they were--well--"hip to".

I remember reading that tidbit from an interview at that time and being floored that he would say anything about his training even if he hadn't completed his contract--and wouldn't there be a contract? It seems to me it would be like the military--you don't go through a year of training and then opt out of the service because you don't like where you will be stationed.

Has anyone asked him?
 
Yeah, that's a good question...has anyone asked him?

Joseph? If you haven't, do you want to do the honors?
 
Does anyone know the Kos position on:

Faked pre-war WMD intel

CIA complicity in drugs from the Contras in the 80's to the booming Afghan opium crop today

Unbalanced US policy towards Israel

9-11 truth in the broader sense of the massive intel on an attack ignored by the Bushies

His position on these issues would give me some insight on whether he is a disinfo or controlled opposition asset.
 
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Racism vs sexism

According to the progressive blogs, Obama's win in Oregon counts, and Hillary's far more impressive victory in Kentucky does not, because Kentuckian Democrats are all racists. Implicit in this argument is the belief that racism matters and sexism does not.

Here's a transcribed portion of an audio interview between Hillary and a Washington Post reporter:
Q. Do you think this has been a particularly racist campaign?

A. I do not. I think this has been a positive, civil campaign. I think that both gender and race have been obviously a part of it because of who we are and every poll I've seen show more people would be reluctant to vote for a woman to vote for an African American, which rarely gets reported on either. The manifestation of some of the sexism that has gone on in this campaign is somehow more respectable or at least more accepted. And I think there should be equal rejection of the sexism and the racism when and if it ever raises its ugly head. But it does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by comments and reactions of people who are nothing but misogynists.

Q. Isn't that how it's always been though.

A. Oppression of women and discrimination against women is universal. You can go to places in the world where there are no racial distinctions except everyone is joined together in their oppression of women. The treatment of women is the single biggest problem we have politically and socially in the world. If you look at the extremism and the fundamentalism, it is all about controlling women, at it's base. The idea that we would have a presidential campaign in which so much of what has occurred that has been very sexist would be just shrugged off I think is a very unfortunate commentary about the lack of seriousness that should be applied to any kind of discrimination or prejudice.
I think this is the point Geraldine "fucking whore" Ferraro tried to make in her should-not-have-been-infamous comments. Being a black male in this race is an advantage -- compared to being a woman of any heritage.

On a few occasions, I've pointed out that Colin Powell could have won the presidency in 2000 just by pointing at the White House and saying "I'll take it." Not one reader has disagreed with that assessment, even though people love to disagree with everything else I say. Can you name a single woman in the history of this country who could have strolled into the oval office that easily?
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Dude, I just read this article in the London Times. Check out the comments section. It is the best illustration of what the problem is with Obama's campaign. Some of them actually described it as "Obama-style racism". 86 comments and 95% from the US!

Just for the record, I thought Spikes comments were valid, although historically inept. And the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that the US is a racist country. But thats very much by the by. Its pretty obvious that Americans are still not in the mood to confront these issues. Americans resent being reminded, of the sins of some of their fathers.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/cannes/article3972316.ece

Harry
 
Actually, I think most of those comments were inane. As were the remarks by Spike Lee which prompted them.

I also happen to think that Lee and Eastwood are both terrific directors.
 
Thanks for this post, Joseph. May have to quote you.
 
I'm reading a book called "Bare Branches: The Security Implications of Asia's Surplus Male population" which is about the most radical form of sexism of all: killing girls at birth, or aborting them before. Scary stuff.

BTW, Larry Johnson now says "There are recordings of Barack Obama when he was overseas. These recordings–I don’t know if they are video or audio–also will create problems for Barack. "

I find this entirely believable. If Obie is caught criticizing the US on foreign soil, it's curtains. I think it already is curtains, but this would really sink him.
 
Joseph,

Don't get me wrong. The comments were definitely inane. And just because I agree with Spike Lees wider point - i assumed it was that black Americans are under represented in American war movies - doesn't mean his comments aren't inappropriate and silly as well.

But I am just amazed at the amount of heat and irritation. I would never guess that people would be so pissed off by these comments. Can you explain why these commentators are so angry? I just don't get it.

Harry
 
I think the anger stems from the fact that Obama let us down. The entire progressive movement has let us down. I once believed in that man -- cautiously, reservedly, not fanatically, but I DID vote for him. Alas, a Democrat running against a fellow Democrat has waged the kind of campaign previously associated only with Republicans.

And many of us were forced to re-think everything.
 
I'm really angry at the Obama campaign's use of race-baiting and falsely accusing people of racists for one reason: it has trivialized what is still a very real problem in our country. But when you make one false accusation after another, people begin to stop taking you seriously. In fact they get angry, and then they stop seeing or caring about the very real occurences of racism.

Another problem. His campaign only seems to focus on racism, but not on other groups who are equally discriminated against: women are a big example. But seniors as well. Some of the comments of his supporters have been way over the top. And Obama has been all too happy to say nothing, or to even enable it. That also makes the real problems of racism worse, because you really can't fight bigotry by being selective. If you aren't against it PERIOD, you really aren't against it.
 
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Tuesday, May 20, 2008

Mr 33

McCain will probably win Kentucky even if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, but she could force him to fight hard for that state, and there's some chance that she could prevail. Obama cannot win there. He cannot even compete.

Only 33 percent of Kentucky's Clinton supporters say that they will vote for Obama if he is the nominee.

Of course, progressives insist that this reticence stems from the fact that Hillary supporters are all big fat racists. The progs are so lacking in self-awareness that they cannot comprehend that accusations of that sort are precisely what made Clinton supporters repulsed by Obama.

In 2000, "racist" Kentucky would have gone for Colin Powell in a landslide, had he run.

Besides (I may have to repeat this fact another dozen or so times, because it sill hasn't sunk in) Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe insisted that racism would not be a factor in the general, because (sayeth he) nearly all white racists migrated to the Republican party long ago. (Don't believe me? Here.)

The commentary appended to the afore-linked CNN article shows that most Obots didn't get the "make nice" memo -- or, more likely, that most of them are so addicted to Clinton-hate that they simply cannot help themselves:
HILLARY HAS WIDENED THE RIFT AS FAR AS SHE HAS.

SHE & BILL IN THE LAST TWO DAYS HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR PREFERENCE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
As usual, Obots "recall" seeing things that never happened. When did Bill and Hillary ever indicate that they would not support the Democratic nominee?
Kentucky and West Virginia, we know your extreme views, you ll never change...
Just goes to show how this country hasnt changed at all! Still just as Racist as ever.
Because people in that part of the country are racist.
They would rather suffer four more years of economic hardship under the McCain regime than vote for a black man.
Yep. New definition of racism: Anyone who doesn't like Obama. Someone should tell Plouffe.

I don't want the economy placed in the hands of Obama's crew -- Goolsbee, Liebman and Cutler. Does that fact make me anti-white? I don't want foreign policy placed in the hands of Brzenzinski or one of his creatures. Does that fact make me anti-Polish?

This is all part of Clinton's scorched earth strategy. Shame on her and her self-serving campaign.
What "scorched earth" strategy? How do these wacky memes get started in Obot-land? Do these nutcases actually expect the rest of the nation to share their hallucinations?

(By the way, can anyone name a political campaign that wasn't "self-serving" -- ever, in history? Okay, maybe that contest where the dead guy beat John Ashcroft...)

All she has done is divide our party by staying so long and playing the race card.
This can be attributed to the Clinton's Rovian tactics
Racist morons. Isn't being married to your sister or first cousin illegal.
My fave:
You have to be a divisive person to support hillary. There is no other way to define her supporters.
Well, you get the gist. It goes on and on like that.

Again, I must ask -- how can these cultists be so lacking in the ability to question themselves that they cannot see that they are reason why life-long Dems such as myself won't vote for Obama in November?

I remain stunned by Obama's obnoxious zealots. They honestly can't see that they caused the problem, they cannot understand how repellent they are when they treat a political candidate as if he were a religious figure, they refuse to look at Obama's connections to Chicago's corruption, they have a downright psychotic attitude toward the only successful President of the past 45 years, and they continue to spew the very Kossack talking points that have turned Barack Obama into Mr. 33.

Barack Obama ran a smear campaign in a primary. His close supporters falsely accused innocent people of racism. With a few phone calls, Obama and Howard Dean could have created a much more civilized debate, online and off -- but they didn't.

These miscalculations were epic. These miscalculations -- not "racism" -- are the reason why Obama is Mr 33 in a state the Dems could have flipped.
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"Of course, progressives insist that this reticence stems from the fact that Hillary supporters are all big fat racists."

I'm not worried about his. Apart from the very sore loser, most people will wake up and get over their little bruised ego instead of helping McCain get elected. Keep in mind that most Hillary supporters don't have to endure the hate from Obama supporters on their blog. And it might surprise you that most people (even Hillary supporters) are NOT the emotional equivalent of a 9 years old after THEIR candidate is not chosen and THEY will be able to see the greater good instead of sticking to "but THEY (some Obots assholes ?) insulted me ! THEY will pay !".
 
You're crazy if you think that. The wound is deep.

Look, if Obi and Dean and the progblog head honchos are rewarded for their atrocious behavior, then that behavior will be repeated. Skinner of DU, meet Skinner, BF. Unfortunately, the only way to punish these bastards is to withdraw in November.

I liked the way riverdaughter on the Confluence put it. She illustrated her story with an oft-seen image of a cutie in a cocktail dress and a Louise Brooks 'do lounging on a divan. And she said: "We're not stupid, you know. We know we've got something you want reeeeealllll bad."

The Obi-boys want it, all right. You can tell. But so far they have not done the things needed to get it. Things like, you know, showing humility and admitting that they were lying manipulative shit-heads.

It's a "lose face or lose the election" situation. And I think arrogance will prevent them from losing the face.
 
Imagine if the situation was reversed and Hillary was winning, wouldn't you be mad at Obama supporters for not voting for Hillary ?

After people cool down and the dust of the primary war settles, that 33% will shrink. Most people can change their mind (you are an example after voting for Obama yourself).

I'm wondering why is it impossible for you to make the difference between some of the supporters and the candidate himself ? If you had started by attacking Hillary instead of Obama, I'm sure you would have received the same level of hatred from Hillary's assholes(like some people on No Quarter). And before you answer that Hillary's assholes are not as worse as Obama's assholes, let me ask : how do you know ? And can the Obama assholes justify themselves by saying they were attacked by Hillary assholes first ?

"they refuse to look at Obama's connections to Chicago's corruption"

The problem is that there's no evidences of this, only speculations and wishful thinking.
And it's weird how you handle accusations against Hillary and against Obama. Obama is guilty until proven otherwise and Hillary is innocent until proven guilty.
 
james, the Evelyn Pringle pieces give plenty of evidence. And that's just the beginning. Spend any time on Rezko Watch?

I mean, just the fact that Obama LIED about knowing Rezko should tell you something!

If this were a normal election, I'd be mad at Democrats who did not line up for the nominee. But this is the first election where something of his nature has ever occurred in a Democratic primary. In essence, what happened to Gore in 2000 (in the general campaign) happened to Hillary. A fake script was written and pounded into the public via (paid?) media hacks. In this case, the situation was even worse, since the script involved false accusations of racism.

Do the script-writers owe direct allegiance to Obama? Of course. When Obama switched course and embarked on "Operation Make Nice," Moulitsas and Huffington TURNED ON A DIME. That fact alone tells you that the preceding "Operation Smear Hillary" was decided upon at Obama HQ.

Besides, if you take note of the things Jesse Jackson Jr. and Plouffe said, you'll know where the blame rests.

I'll say it again: If this behavior is rewarded, it will be repeated. I wish we had some other weapon to register our disapproval, but we do not. We have no choice but to support some candidate other than Obama.
 
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Coronation

According to a confidential source within the campaign, Barack Obama tonight plans to declare himself not just the nominee but the President of the United States. "He simply wants to save time," explained the source.
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Yes ! and even after the convention and the November election, Hillary will still be running ! It's not over until it's over !

It's only a flesh wound !
 
Some of us hope that she DOES run after the convention, if she loses the nomination.

Hell, I wish she'd announce an independent run right now.
 
...Unbelievable.
 
What a world. Your art selection made me laugh. Clever, Joseph.
 
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Monday, May 19, 2008

Michelle...from Hell... (A love song)


As you know, as part of "Operation Make Nice," Michelle Obama said that she would welcome Hillary on the ticket: "I think the world of Hillary Clinton..."

God, I wish the Obamas would just stop lying!

Not long ago -- as the above video clip demonstrates -- she was saying something quite different. This cog in the Daley machine was saying that Hillary Clinton was unworthy of support.

In honor of Barack Obama's recent declaration that his wife is off limits -- oddly enough, he didn't seem to mind his wife's threat against Bill Clinton -- I've composed the following ditty. Apologies to Paul McCartney:

Michelle, from Hell
You and Daley go together well
Scumbag Michelle

Michelle, from Hell
Vous et Daley êtes très répugnants
très répugnants

I hate you, I hate you, I hate you
And all your whole unclean
Chicago machine
By the way, you have the shoulders of
a big Quarterback

Michelle, from Hell
dans votre manoir acheté par Rezko
Tony Rezko

Your father your father your father
He worked for Daley too
So tell me what you do
To earn three hundred sixteen k
From UCH

Corruption!

I’m onto, I’m onto, I’m onto
All of your evil schemes.
I’ll undermine your dreams
'Cause Tony’s going to the joint
And you’ll join him soon...

Michelle, from Hell
vous m'incitez honteux pour être
américain

And God has damned America
By making us live with Michelle.
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Joseph, this is beneath you. You are starting to sound like the bloggers you rail against - and I'm on your side!
 
Nonsense. The bloggers I rail against would not have tweaked the meter to get it right.
 
ahem---

In French, "Vous" is 2nd person plural. One uses vous to address a 2nd person singular (instead of 'tu') when out of respect. Like if you were talking to a magistrate, or you're a waiter and the patron is older than you are. The only other time it can be used (and perhaps this is what you meant) is when you are talking to a peer, but still use V instead of T in a way to be like a smart ass, it's like a reverse insult, using the term of respect when it is obviously not merited. is that what you meant to do Joseph? If so, i am impressed with your grasp of the subtleties of French.
 
You use "tu" only with a single person with whom you are on intimate terms. In old French movies, the lovers might revert to "vous" when they break up.

In "War and Peace," there's an interesting scene in which Pierre is more or less forced into a loveless marriage. When he proposes, he uses the absurd phrase "Je vous aime."
 
How low can you go? This is not only offensive, it is stupid.
 
Did I threaten to scratch out the eyes of a former president?

Am I taking a huge payoff from a do-nothing job for a "non profit" hospital that rips off the poor?

Do I pretend to be someone who puts the needs of black people first while living i a mansion provided by a man who made millions from ripping off black tenants?

Your concern is misplaced.

Besides, it wasn't easy to hit all the points I wanted to hit while creating lyrics that were singable. In both languages, no less!
 
I thought it was hilarious. But then, I'm a certifiably Bad Person. (I think Michelle's shoulders look like Bobby Fischer's.)

Now, this is also very funny:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=6e55fd8c-4774-4a3c-ae00-e2004369fbec

"The Wall Street Journal recently reported that last summer, Illinois Senator Barack Obama told officials in the Teamsters union that he favored ending the Independent Review Board (IRB) that was created in 1989 by the federal government to rid the union of organized crime. Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for Obama, confirmed the story, saying that the candidate believed that the IRB had "run its course" because "organized crime influence in the union has drastically declined." The Teamsters subsequently endorsed Obama for president, in late February. "

Makes you wonder.

Or does it.
 
Karot, apparently there is nothing beneath Joseph at this point, as he spirals downward into outright hatred of Barack Obama.
 
he uses the absurd phrase "Je vous aime."

"Je vous aime" is not absurd ?!?, it's the polite way of saying "I love you". "Je t'aime" being the informal way of saying it.

Lee, don't forget that in Quebec, "Tu" is used more often than "Vous". In France, people working together for 20 years or even old couple would talk to each other with "vous" (more often in the higher class). Not long ago, kids were expected to use "vous" to talk to their parents, but it's changing. When I talk to my grand parents (who are 90), I use "Vous".

Sorry but "vous m'incitez honteux pour être
américain" is not correct at all.

Inciter in French is not exactly "cause me to". It's more used in the sense of "strongly suggesting to willingly". Like "je vous incite à sortir à l'extérieur" or "le mauvais temps nous incita à ne pas sortir".

At least, if you insist on using "Inciter" (with some artistic license) you should instead say:
"vous incitez en moi la honte d'être américain"

But I would instead say:

- Vous me rendez honteux d'être américain
- à cause de vous, j'ai honte d'être américain
- vous provoquez en moi la honte d'être américain
- la honte d'être américain me vient de vous
- vous êtes la source de ma honte d'être américain
 
Comment by ChrisXP | 2008-05-20 11:28:56 at The Confluence:

The Obama [campaign] theme…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHLjYBsl2zA

Nowhere Man - The Beatles
—————————–

He’s a real Nowhere Man
Sitting in his Nowhere Land
Making all his Nowhere plans for nobody

Doesn’t have a point of view
Knows not where he’s going to
Isn’t he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere Man please listen
You don’t know what you’re missing
Nowhere Man the world is at your command

He’s as blind as he can be
Just sees what he wants to see
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?

Nowhere Man don’t worry
Take your time don’t hurry
Leave it all till somebody else lends you a hand

Doesn’t have a point of view
Knows not where he’s going to
Isn’t he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere Man please listen
You don’t know what you’re missing
Nowhere Man the world is at your command

He’s a real Nowhere Man
Sitting in his Nowhere Land
Making all his Nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his Nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his Nowhere plans for nobody
 
I am glad for the correction of my French. The problem was trying to match the original. Your last suggestion has the right number of syllables:

vous êtes la source de ma honte d'être
américain

But then the stresses fall on "vous" and "la." Not sure I like that.

You know, a good filk -- that's the term, I think, for what we're doing here -- is tougher than coming up with original lyrics. Especially if the song is bilingual.
 
HAHA! This is hilarious!More songs, Joe!

Is it my imagination or does Michelle Obama look like a ringer for James Brown?
 
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The wrong man

Oh, this is rich. The right wing's attempt to rewrite the history of the Nixon era has reached its absurdist conclusion: A new book by James Rosen, a newsman for Fox News, claims that John Dean ordered the Watergate break-in.

Laughable. Absolutely laughable.

Everyone knows that Hillary Clinton did it.
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I'm not so sure he's wrong. I was impressed back in the day by the Jim Hougan book on Watergate (Secret Agenda) and the Kolodny book (Silent Coup). Dean's denials and lawsuits notwithstanding. (However, what power would a WH Counsel have to order CREEP personnel to do anything?)

This Rosen guy seems to have legit credentials, not hack credentials (from his bio at FNC):

Before joining FOX News, Rosen worked as a researcher to CBS News anchor and managing editor Dan Rather. Prior to CBS News, he served as an associate producer at WWOR-TV in New York; as a field and control room producer at NY-1 News, also in New York; as an anchor/reporter for WREX-TV (NBC) in Rockford, Illinois; and as an anchor-reporter for News12/The Bronx.

Rosen's forthcoming book, "The Strong Man: John Mitchell, Nixon and Watergate," will be published by Doubleday in spring 2008. His articles and essays have appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New York Daily News, The New York Post, New York Newsday, Atlantic Monthly, Harper's, National Review, The Weekly Standard, the American Bar Association Journal, and the Yale Biographical Dictionary of American Law.

Born in Brooklyn, Rosen earned his bachelor's degree in political science from The Johns Hopkins University and his master's degree in journalism from Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism.

...sofla
 
Hougan's book is great. The Colodny/Gettlin book is crap, or half-crap. There's no smack about Dean in Hougan's book. I know that Jim Hougan has privately denigrated "Silent Coup" but has not complained about it in public.

The basic thesis about Maureen Dean was exploded by Anthony Summers in his Nixon bio. Frustratingly, he details his research in the endnotes. (That's a book where the notes are a lot more interesting than the text.)

Dean tells the story at much greater length in the opening of "Conservatives Without Conscience." He's an interested party, but it's a convincing account. Basically, the only source for everything in Silent Coup is one guy who is not very credible.

From Wikipedia...

"In the preface to his 2006 book, Conservatives Without Conscience, Dean strongly denied Colodny's theory, pointing out that the Colodny's chief source (Phillip Mackin Bailley) had been in and out of mental institutions. Dean settled the defamation suit against Colodny and his publisher, St. Martin's Press, on terms which Dean stated in the book's preface he could not divulge under the terms of the settlement, other than stating that "the Deans were satisfied." In the footnote to this portion of the preface, Dean stated that the federal judge handling the case forced a settlement with Liddy."

There is some interesting stuff in that book, especially about the Moorer affair.

From what I can gather from preliminary reports, the Rosen thing may similarly be based on one or two sources.

It was Colson, not Dean.
 
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Suppose they gave an election and nobody came?

Joseph Farah tells his fellow conservatives not to vote for McCain, who is seen as too moderate. Better, says Farah, to let the Democrats take over and "conduct their diabolical social experiment on America without restraint."

Meanwhile, I argue that Obama is no true liberal, and that his advisors are Friedmanites who cannot possibly cope with the coming economic disaster. Better, say I, to let that disaster occur on a Republican's watch.

Wouldn't it be fun if both Republicans and Democrats sat out this election?
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The really scary thought is having it happen on a Democrat's watch. Because in that case, it will never get undone. This is one of my 100 reasons why I can't vote for Obama, no matter if that means a McCain presidency.
 
Back in early '06 or so, I ventured the opinion here and there that the Republicans, if not actually trying to lose, didn't much care if they lost control of the House & Senate.
I've been toying with the idea lately that neither side cares too much about winning the presidential election.
 
Democrat,...

First Inaugural Address of Franklin D. Roosevelt
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/froos1.htm

Hillary Clinton cares very much about winning the election with her as president. She and the team she puts together might have a bunch of this FDR spirit in her.

It's not that the problems aren't fixable. They are. Aw, hell... this one points to FDR's mistake, as:

"though they threatened several times to nationalize the Fed, this was mostly as a threat to pry loose credit. If [the central banks] refused to 'loosen up,' Roosevelt and his advisers threatened to take more drastic actions, including the issuing of direct government credits; but they backed off, partly under pressure of agents but also because of their own imperfect understanding of the basics of American System economics."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt vs. the Banks: Morgan's Fascist Plot, and How It Was Defeated
by L. Wolfe (easy to find)

There are some reports JFK was planning to do it (my researches suggest they are wrong, but I'm not certain.) and Bill Clinton was gingerly stepping all around the idea with the CFR in his luncheon speech the same day the indep counsel was hauling tons of boxes into Congress toward his impeachment.

It just takes a strong, knowledgeable president.

A lot of people thought we couldn't win the War of Independence too.

I say we can.
 
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FL and MI



I'm a little hesitant to post this video. It's too long, and I've got way too much caffeine in my system right now for this sort of thing. After the half-way mark, it turns into pro-Hillary campaign commerical. You can skip that stuff.

But the first half cleverly explains some little-known facts about the disastrous Michigan and Florida primary situations. My god -- who would have thought that the movement for paper trail elections could be used against Democrats?

Obama's refusal to permit a revote in those two states was, in a sense, comprehensible. Infuriating, yet understandable. But why in hell did Howard Dean embrace that decision? It's as though these two men entered into a suicide pact and decided to take the party with them.

I cannot believe that this is the Dean I once admired. He must go.

Good news: According to one very recent poll, Clinton is closing in on Barack Obama in Oregon. TalkLeft's headline: "Is A Funny Thing Happening On the Way To Obama's Coronation?"

Obama 45
Clinton 41
Undecided 8
Refused 6

I would bet money, if I had money, that the actuals will show a decisive Obama win. Still, at the moment, we can dream.
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"I would bet money, if I had money, that the actuals will show a decisive Obama win. Still, at the moment, we can dream."

As an Oregonian (Western, not Eastern, and there is a distinction), I'd guess that it'll be closer than "decisive." Sure, there's a lot of talk about Obama here, but being that a lot of that is centered around the various Universities, there might be a good portion of those who support him loudly who really voted in another state. Even around the Universities (I'm a student and work and live near one), there's a good deal of positive talk about Hillary, so it gives me hope.

Kyre
 
I'm grateful for the feedback, Kyre.
 
Outstanding video...one of the best I've seen. I especially liked the Groundhog Day clips at the end - how true!

John
SluggoJD
 
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Sunday, May 18, 2008

A word on "whitey"

A Kos writer -- no, I will not link to the diary -- has picked up on Larry Johnson's story about the alleged video showing Michelle Obama railing against "whitey." Most of the comments are hilariously hypocritical: The Kossacks call Johnson a smear-monger, a hater, unhinged -- and, of course, a racist.

Of course, I've been called a racist too, even though I voted for Obama and may well vote for McKinney. The term "racist" has been redefined to mean "anyone who doesn't like the Obamas."

And the Obots wonder why the Hillary-voters are going to stay home en masse in November! Why should they support those who denigrate them?

Back to the video. As you know, I've theorized that the video is both real and fake. That is to say: If (if, if, if) it exists, the woman on screen may not be Michelle Obama, even if she looks very much like her. If you scroll down to my post, I discuss at length a previous deception of this sort; I also discuss motive. (I can think of an earlier precedent, involving a proposed fake audio tape. Oddly enough, "Gordo" played a role in this story as well.)

In light of this theory, one Kos commenter made a rather perceptive comment. "Whitey" is not a term of opprobrium which sees much use among black people these days. I recall hearing it in the '60s and '70s, but not in more recent times. "Cracker" is fairly common. "Whitey" sounds like something that a bad white fiction writer might put into the mouth of an angry black character.

Side note:

The gods of slang really should give us a proper anti-white derogatory term. None of the contenders I've heard so far has any power to annoy, let alone to infuriate. "Whitey," "honkey," "cracker," "redneck" -- cah-MON, who really cares? "Albino" is kind of clever. "Pink boy" might have worked, if the SubGeniuses had not taken it. "Milky" is rare, but serviceable. Might I suggest "cum stain," "bukkake boy," or "Clorox"?

When you seek to do verbal harm, consult the Eye-talians. We're even better at that stuff than we are at oil painting. My professional fees are available upon request.
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Question!
-If the video is real, do you wish someone would make the effort to publicize it because that would help to defeat Obama?
-If the video is fake but good enough to pass the first go around, do you wish someone would make the effort to publicize it because that would help to defeat Obama?
 
beeta, you offend me. I may play rough at times, but when have I ever given the impression that I would applaud the use of a fake video for a serious purpose, even if that purpose were to defeat a candidate I don't like?
 
I did not mean to offend.
But you don't seem to be very convinced that such video is real, yet, you are speculating as to what the effect of it surfacing might be.
I wondered and I asked. Your answer is noted.
BTW, you have questioned Obama's views on SS and speculated on his willingness to privatize it. I ran across this recent comment of his:
"Let me be clear, privatizing Social Security was a bad idea when George W. Bush proposed it, it's a bad idea today," Obama said. "That's why I stood up against this plan in the Senate and that's why I won't stand for it as president." [...]
Obama said McCain would push to raise the retirement age for collecting Social Security benefits or trim annual cost-of-living increases. Obama has rejected both ideas as solutions to the funding crisis projected for Social Security in favor of making higher-income workers pay more into the system."
Of coarse all politicians lie (GW said the US should not be in the business of nation building when he was a candidate in 2000), but that is another subject.
 
As you imply, actions speak louder than. If Obama wants me to trust him with the American economy, as it faces its greatest crisis since the Depression, he should divorce himself from Goolsbee, Liebeman and Cutler. I want to see THAT. No words of his will suffice.

There was, in recent memory, a president who faced a similar economic predicament. I believe that Hillary may know how to contact him.
 
I don't get your point then. If "whitey" is no big deal, why get so offended?

Clearly you never got called whitey by a gang of blacks, physically larger than you, who mean to beat the crap out of your white ass. Or rape you, as happened to two friends of mine. Six blacks for four hours.
 
j, I didn't say I WAS offended. I can't be offended by a video that I have not seen and which may not even exist.

Even if it does exist and is genuine, I may not take it seriously. But that would be my personal reaction. Without doubt, such a video would have national repercussions.

I probably should not have allowed the "beat the crap out of your white ass" comment through. I know such things happen. On the other hand, we all know that terrible crimes have been committed upon black people. I can't become angry at any subdivision of humanity, although I've become utterly disgusted with homo sapiens as a species.
 
Your aside about perhaps voting for McKinney was interesting. I've been thinking that if Obama is nominated we could see a real surge in votes for the Green Party this year. Voting for a black female candidate would be the perfect revenge for all those who have been called racists for not voting for Sweetie.
 
Frankly, I never heard her speak at length until recently. I was impressed. I can't listen to Obama talk for forty seconds without wanting to throw shoes at my monitor. Hillary? Two, maybe three minutes. But Cynthia...? The "shoe" reaction didn't kick in (so to speak) until the fifteen minute mark. And that's when she wrapped up!
 
Joseph--

I would be such a happy neighbour if you (and many others) ended up voting Green. I know you said a few months ago that I was being an idiot when i said i wish your system was more like ours in Canada, where we have multiparties (but sadly now too many on the left not enough on the right). But with Bob Barr on the right of McCaine and McKinney on the left of Obama, maybe there's some hope for you?

But if that LaRouche commenter-guy is right, and there is an "anybody but Hilary" MO in the cabals and shadows of the government-- the she would be a great anybody, kinda like one of those "be careful what you wish for" curses...

But she could really generate some steam if she gets a majority of Hilary supporer/defectors from the new Democarian party, and if there was some steam, a lot of college political 'radicals' may migrate to McK because she's not only got everything BHO has but is also eco logical, which is cool. Green is hot these days. ...and as far as what CNN likes to call "the black voters" (which to a large degree originally feared that BHO wasn't black enough)--they'll totally dump BHO for McK is she start t build momentum-- she is the cool black woman; she punched a cop, she's the only one in the government who has been trying to find out who killed Tupak Shakur-- she Cynthia would kick Baraks ass in a debate!
 
I don't want to ruin your party Joseph, but from what I remember, Cynthia is also a 9/11 "tranny" !
 
You are wrong, my bravely Anonymous "friend." Although she has called for a new investigation into various issues -- such as whether the Bush administration received advance warning -- she has never explicitly embraced the CD theory. She HAS gotten far too close to the wackiest elements within the Troofer movement, as when she gave an intro to Dr. Steven Jones and asked David Ray Griffen, of all people to testify before a committee hearing.

I would not be surprised to learn that she has personally leaned in this direction. Maybe she even drank the tranny fluid. But from what I can see, she has been careful about her public statements.

John Judge was on her staff for a while. He's not a tranny. Naturally, the tranny movement decided that he was a CIA spook. The whole fucking conspiracy milieu -- which I know well -- is utterly disgusting.
 
John Judge may or may not believe as the trannies do.

I haven't seen him comment on anything but the Pentagon no-plane claim. He rebutted the notion that no plane hit the Pentagon by referring to his own personal friend, herself a flight attendant who somehow got access to the crash site there and was able to identify personal effects of several other flight attendants she knew. One macabre detail was a severed hand or finger with a piece of jewelry she recognized as belonging to one of her friends who was allegedly flying that route that day.

However, just as Colin Powell promised a most thorough white paper on the Bin Laden links to 9/11, which would remove all doubts and definitively prove that case (and SOON!, although 6-1/2 years later we don't have it even yet), so too did Judge say that he would SOON! provide the woman's name and bona fides to prove his story was correct.

And again, so far as I know, we have nothing to any of that yet from Judge, some 6-1/2 years later than his promised full disclosure was due.

So the theory is a) there never was such a person, and Judge was a witting purveyor of a cover story, or b) she did exist, but could not be credibly placed where she claimed to have been, which Judge found out. (It is fairly incredible that civilians would be wandering around that crash/crime site, seeing dead bodies, at least civilians who didn't work at the Pentagon.)

Can you shed any light on Judge's promised revelation of the personal details of his friend that he said would remove all doubt about his story, why he didn't do so, and whether he has ever done so since?

...sofla
 
sof, I used to know John somewhat, and I can tell you that he has been the target of the most ludicrous rumors imaginable. I don't know the specifics of what you are talking about, nor do I much care. I imagine it's the sort of thing that matters very much to the crazies and which normal people don't see as worthy of much discussion.

I WILL say -- and this is a completely separate subject -- that John has a maddening inability to correct himself when he recalls something incorrectly. I saw a recent interview in which he states that Orwell's "1984" was originally titled "1948," which was the year of the book's composition. He's been saying that since -- well, since 1984. And it's not true. In manuscript form, the book was originally called "The Last Man in Europe." It was first published as "1984: A Novel."
 
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I can't decide whether I think this is good news or not

Jen here...

You've probably heard by now that Michael Moore is putting out another movie next year. Supposedly, it will deal with American imperialsm but is not a "sequel" to Fahrenheit 9/11.

Okay.
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Saturday, May 17, 2008

Is the "Obama-killer" video a fake?

I am now semi-persuaded that the "Obama-killer" video -- a reputed tape of Michelle Obama screeching against "whitey" -- is real. But I'm also starting to wonder whether the same tape could be a fake.

If that claim sounds contradictory, read Larry Johnson's latest.

He says that a fabulously wealthy conservative financier has been shown the tape but does not possess it. Said conservative hates McCain and therefore wants to get make the tape public before the Democratic convention. He does not want McCain to face a sure loser. Our ultra-affluent conservative is thus offering a cool million to anyone who can produce the tape.

How did this gazillionaire see the thing? Karl Rove showed it to him.

Rove has been shopping it around to well-heeled Republicans: You can see this video, but you cannot own it. We don't want copies floating around. We want to hold it back until just the right moment.

And why would Rove hold these little film society gatherings? Money. He's asking rich conservatives to fund the Republican cause -- a cause which they might otherwise see as hopeless.
Rove and company reportedly are showing the tape to big money Republicans to loosen up their wallets and get new money to fund independent expenditure groups. That’s why news of this is starting to leak out. The money is being raised for 527 groups that will target the Democrats in the fall.
So far, blogland reaction has gone two ways: People either think that Johnson pulled the whole story out of his ass, or they think that the story is genuine.

A third possibility occurs to me. My mind reaches back to -- of all people -- Vicki Morgan.

"Vicki who?" some of you may be asking -- and if you are, I feel old.

Vicki Morgan, who died in 1983 at the age of 31, was the beauty at the center of one of the great sex and murder scandals.

Vicki was the mistress of Alfred Bloomingdale, friend to and funder of Ronald and Nancy Reagan. By many accounts, including her own, she sexually serviced (with her patron's approval) a number of high-ranking Reagan officials.

(Around 1990, I talked with a very gay writer of Hollywood biographies who claimed to have known Vicki well. "Her specialty was seducing homosexuals," he said -- with a wistful smile that told much and hid little.)

Now is not the time to go into the mystery of her murder, which occurred shortly after the death of Bloomingdale. Let's focus on the post-mortem controversy.

After the murder, Vicki's lawyer said that she had stockpiled video tapes of herself performing various sexual acts with Reagan's top men. Publisher Larry Flynt -- acting in his usual Flyntian fashion -- offered a million bucks for the tapes. The lawyer then reported that the tapes were stolen. Many assumed that the lawyer had concocted the whole story, although his motive for doing so was never made clear.

At that point, a certain man approached Larry Flynt. I'll call him Gordo. Some of you will know the full name. I won't reveal it here, since I've already had one mildly unpleasant run-in with this gentleman. Gordo has connections (as they say) to the American intelligence community, although the CIA will quickly tell you that they never officially hired him.

Gordo claimed to possess the stolen Vicki Morgan sex tapes. He offered them for sale to Larry Flynt.

More than that: Gordo's tapes showed Vicki boffing not just Reagan's aides, but Reagan himself.

To be specific: The tape showed Reagan receiving a "message from the rear" which Vicki delivered, using a certain plastic appendage. (An unlikely fetish, given what I know of Nancy Davis' specialty. But I digress.)

Flynt made somewhat oblique reference to these events in The Rebel, a non-porno magazine he once published. I have no idea how much, if anything, Gordo received for the tapes. But I do know that Gordo wormed his way into Flynt's entourage, becoming the man's "minister of everything," as one glossy magazine profile put it. As I recall, the old Los Angeles Herald Examiner carried a front-page story connecting Gordo to the hiring of Bill Mintzer for Flynt's security staff. (Mintzer was a hit man later convicted in the "Cotton Club" killings.)

As you may recall, Flynt seemed to go wacky during this period, wearing diapers to court and such.

Flynt showed the Vicki-and-Reagan tape to a number of people. I've read at least one first-hand account of the tape and have received several second-hand accounts. Frank Zappa, of all people, attended a private showing, which he later described during a radio interview. He had a difficult time trying to think of a polite way to give the details.

Bottom line: The tape was a fake.

That's why you can't find the thing on YouTube today.

Gordo later admitted to its fraudulent nature. He said that the tape used spot-on lookalikes for Ronald and Vicki, and that it was produced by the intelligence service of an East-bloc country. (Not the KGB.)

I don't know when or how Flynt became aware that he had been gulled.

I do know that faked video tapes of famous people have fooled some onlookers who were by no means stupid.

I also know that, in a famous paper called "The Revolution in Military Affairs," Army War College strategists Steven Metz and James Kievit discussed the wartime propaganda uses of digitally-produced videos depicting political leaders doing and saying embarrassing things.

If a fake "Obama-killer" video exists, would it fool an expert? Probably not. But the public need never see it.

According to Johnson, Rove is using the tape to fetch dollars from conservative billionaires. That's the target audience. To fulfill its purpose, the tape need only be good enough to fool them. Afterwards, it can disappear forever.
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Yes, but wouldn't that be a dangerous game to play with people with that kind of money? I doubt that rich people enjoy having their money blatantly extorted and then the extorter not delivering. He would have to be prepared to get that tape played on the news, I would think. (Since he's on Fox all the time, that shouldn't be hard).
 
cd, I should think it a simple matter. Gather up as many bucks are you are going to gather, wait until August or September, and then say to the funders: "We just found out that the video was a fake." Blame the faking on Al Qaeda or the Clintons or Oliver Stone or whomever seems convenient. "But don't worry -- your money is going to good purposes. We're still going to win. Here's the plan..."

I wonder: Why have we not seen the Ronnie-and-Vicki tape? Even if it is a fake, a lot of people would like to see it.
 
Very interesting post Joe. I hope there is no tape.

Why do you think Rove et al are so fearful of Obama that they would engage in such conspiracies?
 
Scott, what they are fearful of is losing the money.

Look, the Republicans are going to their usual dough-boys and asking for millions for the 527s. The guys with the checkbooks are thinking: "Why toss good money after bad? We can't win this time around." (From their viewpoint, the GOP disarray looms larger than does Dem disarray.) So Rove has to prove that he has a trump card, something that makes victory possible though not inevitable.
 
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I'll say something else. Place this in the "For what it's worth" category.

When I fully outlined my thoughts in an email, Johnson stopped corresponding with me. Granted, it's not as though we were pen pals, and he IS a busy man. So it's not as though my feelings are hurt. But...

He also would not allow my comments outlining this theory on his site.

And yet, if you look at the pertinent discussion threads -- the post has generated two threads, with some 700 messages -- he IS allowing comments from some rather obnoxious Obama trolls.

What does that mean? I'm not sure.

Again, it's not as though my feelings are hurt: I run my site my way, and others will run their sites their way, and that is all very well.

But why would the world's harshest Hillary supporter keep a lid on THIS meme, while allowing the Obots free speech?

Odd.
 
I wonder what is the motivation of Johnson behind the peddling of this story. By the smell of it and his reaction to your theory, I wouldn't be surprised it came directly out of his ass.­

It doesn't cost him much to spread false rumors like this, nobody is going to make his ass accountable in a couple of months when this story is forgotten but the damage has been done.