Worse: Obama's numbers are going to head down, down, down as soon as the McCain surrogates start to publicize the corruption in Illinois.
Evelyn Pringle's latest work gives a hint of what is to come. Not only is Obama unlikely to be president, he may face charges.
Right now, the Nobama movement is gathering steam. The O-blogs keep hurling insults, even when doing so is against their interest. Insanely, they want all suporters of Hillary Clinton -- half or (slightly) more than half -- to leave the Democratic party.
What if we do bolt? What if we collectively decide that fanatical "progressives" (read: Libertarians) have taken over what was once our party, and that we cannot keep such odious company? What if we decide that we can no longer tolerate their verbal violence any more than we can tolerate Austan Goolsbee's free trade fundamentalism or Zbig's drive for a new Cold War?
What if Hillary ran as an indepedent? We have data.
The survey also considered a match-up with Senator Hillary Clinton running as an Independent candidate. In that match-up, it’s McCain 32%, Obama 31%, Clinton 22%, Barr 3%, and Nader 3%. In that match-up, Obama wins 50% of the vote from Democrats while Clinton gets 35% and McCain 7%.Flashback: 1992. At roughly this point in the race, Bill Clinton was running third, behind Ross Perot and Poppy Bush.
A ten-point spread between McCain and Clinton in a three-way race means that a Clinton run is feasible. She would be a contender, not a spoiler. When the Messiah stands revealed as just another wiseguy from Chicago, his awakening cultists will be grateful to have somewhere to go (other than the Hell they've earned).
Of course, if Hillary goes indy, the Kossacks will make endless comparisons to Lieberman. I don't care for Lieberman -- in fact, I disliked the guy before disliking him was cool. But let's face it: He won.
So let the O-Bots scream their insults: That's what they do. If the progs shout us offstage instead of trying to woo us back, they will only harm themselves -- like the scorpion who cannot resist stinging the frog.
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Joseph, it's interesting that you found a poll positing Hillary running as an Independent. I've been thinking about this possibility for the past few weeks and wondering if it were viable.
Personally, I think it's a great idea - if the democrats decide to fall off a cliff with Obama. I'm completely convinced that he is unelectable. There are electoral college maps all over the place that leave no doubt. And the Republicans also think so, as evidenced in the Politico article today.
I'm pretty convinced that the democratic party is going to split over this anyway. If Obama wins the nomination, they are basically giving it away to McCain. So why not give all the Reagan democrats and all the other electoral groups Hillary commands a real alternative? The only fly in the ointment is whether Hillary would go for it. She's a very loyal Democrat. But I'm sure she's well aware that Obama is unelectable, which is one reason she's fighting so hard.
I would vote for her if she did. I won't vote for Obama.
I am sure you have seen this..
Barack Obama and the Unmaking of the Democratic Party
http://tinyurl.com/57fhft
I hope it doesn't come to splitting the Democratic Party. This will mean Republican rule for decades, just what Karl Rove and Grover Norquist want.
Third parties won't work in this country; a person can't possibly be elected president and be able to get anything done with Congress. It's fantasy.
I looked at Pringle's articles; she did a five-part series centering on Rezko and the trial, and Obama will be damned lucky if he isn't indicted. If he is, it had better be quick.
Hillary will not run as an independent, she'll support Barack. Interesting that in the poll with Hillary running as an independent, Barack still manages basically a tie with McCain. Recent polls, including the LA Times poll you posted about, show Obama ahead of McCain, even given the current Clinton-Obama friction. After Obama gets the nomination many of Hillary's supporters will come around to Obama. On a state-by-state basis, you're right it will be more difficult for Obama, but not impossible. Is Barack the new McGovern destined to lose big? Or is he the Democratic Reagan who was was considered by many to be too far-right but went on to serve two terms. I would still bet on Obama.
Did you see the WorldNetDaily piece on Obama smearing him as a Communist? Apparently the right is afraid that calling him a liberal might not be enough, so they've found a former HUAC investigator who thinks Obama is a closet Communist. This isn't even swift-boating it's 50's red-baiting. Some Hillary supporters are jumping all over this in comments but I don't attach the same importance to commenters that Joseph does.
Obama has survived the worst of the Wright affair, and his association with Bill Ayers. The red-baiting won't work. The corruption story might work but only if there's anything there, and so far there isn't, and, no Joseph, Patrick Fitzgerald has not targeted Obama.
"Hillary will not run as an independent, she'll support Barack."
Probably. I would prefer it to be otherwise.
"After Obama gets the nomination many of Hillary's supporters will come around to Obama."
Bullshit. Stop kidding yourself. You have NO IDEA how pissed off people have become after months of bieng called racists because we don't like Obama.
Even Obi understands now that he crossed a line. That's why he initially tried to make political hay out of the RFK thing, and now has tired to rein in his cultists. Too little, too late.
"Did you see the WorldNetDaily piece on Obama smearing him as a Communist?"
That crap is just BS to rile up the GOP base. It won't stick.
"Obama has survived the worst of the Wright affair, and his association with Bill Ayers."
Gary, you said that the Wright affair had been laid to rest after the Big Speech. Then it flared up worse than ever. And this was during a primary, in which Hillary has refused to use it against Obi. (When was the last time you saw Wright in a Clinton commercial? Never, right?) Guarantee: The REAL Wright attack will hit when and if it is a pure McCain-Obi fight.
Ayers? That has yet to hit. Even most Dems don't understand how close Ayers was to Obi. Not many months from now, you're going to see commercials featuring Ayers stomping on the flag...interviews with the victims...
"and, no Joseph, Patrick Fitzgerald has not targeted Obama."
Hee hee hee. You haven't read the latest, have you? Prepare for a shock.
No, I haven't read the latest because I'm in a secure, undisclosed location supposedly celebrating Memorial Day, but really jonesing on politics.
But I still say that power protects power and that Obama will not be prosecuted.
But what a delightful thought. Just as he's nominated, he gets indicted. This throws the entire political system into crisis. Patrick Fitzgerald becomes the most famous Irishman in history since Saint Patrick. I love it, I love it I love it. You can't make this stuff up.
Hillary will never run as an independent, you can take that to the bank. She'll support Obama, watch him go down in flames, and be around for 2012, tanned, rested and ready. Another Clinton, after another one-term Republican President.
I agree she can win as an Indie. It may very well make her a more attractive candidate.
I strongly disagree with the notion that if she wins she could not lead. Most Democratic presidents - Carter, Clinton for example - heavily relied on opposition party to get things done.
I think it is pretty much a given that Obama will lose, it seems to me if she does run there is a good chance she'll
But do I WANT Hillary to win? I'd love to see Obama run and fail. Or: If Obama gets the presidency, I would love to see him exposed in office. Either way, we can get rid of the progs and return the Democratic party to the liberals.
Oh, Gary, you really do need to do some more research about what millions of voters honestly think about your beloved candidate. He would have not a hope in hell against John McCain. And rest assured, without Clinton in the race, we'd be looking at 3 in a row for the GOP! There really is only one question for the Democratic party to ask at this point: who can beat McCain? We all know the answer. Clinton can. Obama can't. We all need to just face this fact and get on with it. I am not going to say Obama should drop out of the race - I won't stoop so low as to ask that. But, come August, some sense better have returned to the Democratic party and they better choose Hillary Clinton or it's game over, lights out!
There is a reason why the media have pumped up Obama and why the Republicans were talking him up. One doesn't need to engage in conspiracies to see what is motivating them.
Obama is tainted, pure and simple. If he gets the nomination he will likely be indicted before November, and this will cause untold damage to the Democratic Party.
Surely the higher ups in the party know this, yet they do not pressure him to withdraw his name. Surely Hillary Clinton knows this, and she is in the race to prevent this disaster from wrecking the party. Why is the party hierarchy afraid to tell him to get out? Are they that fearful of the African American opposition, almost none of whom have any idea how tainted this guy is?
That's the question that needs to be asked.
Well, as for indictments, it used to be firm DOJ policy as guidelines for prosecutors that prosecutions that impact upon political races should not be brought at such times.
That was the response L. Jean Hanson got from the local GOP-appointed federal prosecutor on her referral from the RTC to prosecute Clinton. Not only that there wasn't any substance to her referral, but that bringing such charges that far into the election season would violate DOJ policy.
Now, I suppose many such precedents and policies are now more honored in their breaching, but I always heard Fitz characterized as a straight arrow, and his complete lack of leaking out of his grand jury proceedings, etc., seems to confirm this about him. Would he violate the old prosecution policies, just because DOJ doesn't care any more about them? Or would he find them binding, and therefore, have no possibility of indicting BHO prior to the election?
...sofla
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