Wednesday, October 25, 2017

Idiot Trump supporter admits Steele dossier is real

I didn't want to write another dossier post so soon after the long-ish post which precedes this one. But I have to talk about a noteworthy piece of inanity by Mediaite writer Larry O'Connor -- a piece which exemplifies the mendaciousness and madness of the right's current agit-prop campaign.

The article is titled "If Journalists Were Consistent They’d Claim Hillary ‘Colluded With Russians’ On The Dossier." The piece opens with a gratuitous insult directed at Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, which lets you know what you're in for.

The entire article is ragingly stupid.
Yes, a yet-to-be-revealed Republican client initiated Fusion GPS’s oppo research on Trump, but the now-infamous “Dossier” created by former British spy Christopher Steele was not researched or created until after the Democrats took over the task. “After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele” the Washington Post reports. Meaning, yes, a Republican paid for oppo research, but they didn’t pay for Steele and the dossier, that was all Hillary.
The only source for this claim is the WP, which cites unidentified "people." But David Corn interviewed Steele himself, and Corn reported that Steele's work was originally funded by a Republican. Oddly enough, Trump himself said the same thing in an interview earlier today. (He said that he felt he knew the funder, but would not offer a name.)

Now let's get to the really, really stupid part of the O'Connor text.
Furthermore, according to ex-Acting CIA Director (and Clinton ally) Michael Morell, Steele paid his sources (operatives close to and involved with the Russian government) for the unverified dirt on Trump that found its way into the dossier.
Follow the money with me, would you please?

Clinton’s campaign pays Fusion GPS.
Fusion GPS pays Christopher Steele.
Steele pays sources connected to the Russian government.

The money may be laundered a couple of times, but there’s no denying Clinton campaign cash ended up in the hands of Russians in exchange for dirt on Trump.
This nonsense is meant to hornswoggle rubes who haven't read the actual dossier. I have. As most of you know, this humble blog was the first site -- and may still be the only site -- to present an OCR version of the entire set of documents.

Right now, let's focus on the "pee pee" claim, since that is the only part of the dossier that most Trumpers know about or care about. The dossier lists three sources for this assertion: Source D, Source E and Source F.  It's often standard practice, when compiling raw intel, to keep a list of the real names as a separate document.

An anonymous tipster wrote in to this humble blog and suggested that the likeliest candidate for Source E is Boris Epshteyn, who, during the campaign, was often seen representing Trump on our teevee screens. This identification has found some acceptance elsewhere. I don't know for a fact that Ephsteyn is the man, but he's the only person I know who fits the description of Source E offered by the Washington Post, which had access to a less-redacted version of the dossier.

The real name is not important right now. What's important is that the dossier does NOT identify Source E as a Russian intelligence officer. He is a Russian emigre very close to Trump.

As noted above: There were two other sources for the "watersports" claim. Source D is described as a member of the Trump campaign. Source F is described as someone who works at the Ritz-Carlton.

Thus: When it comes to the urination episode, exactly NONE of the three sources work for the Russian government.

Two of the sources were people in Trump's orbit, while the third was a lowly toiler employed by the hospitality industry -- specifically, by the Ritz-Carlton, part of the Mariott chain. (Mariott is an American corporation.)

By O'Connor's lunatic logic, consistency compels us to say the following:
Clinton's campaign pays Fusion GPS
Fusion GPS pays Christopher Steele.
Steele pays sources connected to the Trump campaign.

The money may be laundered a couple of times, but there's no denying Clinton campaign cash ended up in the hands of members of Team Trump.
O'Connor wants us to believe that Hillary and Putin are somehow "in it" together. By his same logic, one could claim that Hillary and Trump are "in it" together!

But wait: There's more. The "watersports" allegation hogs most of the attention, but it's hardly the only claim in the dossier. It's true that the other sections compile information derived from sources identified as Russian government employees. Newsflash: Spies have always paid for information; that's what they do. The standard acronym in the spy game is MICE -- Money, Ideology, Coercion and Ego. Those are the four things that motivate people in the enemy camp to give information to an intelligence operative.

As some of you may have noticed, the Reagan administration had spies on the payroll. Since the MICE principle was operative in Reagan's day, you can bet your life's savings that Reagan's spies paid cash money for information. Much of that money no doubt went to KGB agents and other Soviet functionaries.

Do you know what this means? By O'Connor's logic, it means that Ronald Reagan funded Yuri Andropov and Mikhail Gorbachev! By O'Connor's logic, Reagan and the Soviets were working together! By O'Connor's logic, Reagan was a Soviet puppet!

And so were all other American presidents during the Cold War, because they all employed spies who paid for information.

Seriously. That's the size and shape of O'Connor's nutball argument.

I'm seeing that kind of antilogic all over the right side of the internet right now. They're ginning up another fake scandal, just like Benghazi and that email nonsense. None of it makes any sense, but it's sure to fire up the rage-aholics who are desperate to scapegoat the Clintons for their own failures in life.

One final idiocy. Just to prove how monumentally stupid O'Connor and his fellow Trumpian propagandists are, let's take yet another look at O'Connor's text and take note of something you might have missed the first time around. Once more into the breach, dear friends...
Clinton’s campaign pays Fusion GPS.
Fusion GPS pays Christopher Steele.
Steele pays sources connected to the Russian government.

The money may be laundered a couple of times, but there’s no denying Clinton campaign cash ended up in the hands of Russians in exchange for dirt on Trump.
Did you see it? Did you notice it this time?

For months, Trump and his supporters have told us that everything in the dossier is completely fictional. Now, O'Connor and the other Trumpers are confessing that Steele really did meet with Russians and really did acquire information. A British spy does not pay money for fairy tales.

This idiot O'Connor just admitted that the dossier is real!

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

So Putin appears to have conscripted a stooge to oppose him in his widely expected fourth presidential run. The stooge is the socialite daughter of the prominent St. Petersburg bureaucrat who elevated Putin in the first place, in the 90s. The stooge has hired a campaign team that includes Vitali Shkliarov, who worked for Bernie Sanders.

In the late 80s, Sanders went to the Soviet Union around the same time as Trump. As all of us readers of this blog know, Sanders's campaign strategist, Tad Devine, worked closely with Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, to disperse the sulfuric smells around Viktor Yanukovych, the former, Russia-backed kleptocrat of Ukraine. The brother of John Podesta, Hillary's campaign manager, also worked with Yanukovych, although the brothers apparently had separate interests by that time.

Mr Mike said...

The WaPo is at it again muddying the water with another "some people" hit piece. One would think they are deliberately drawing this out because controversy sells soap flake. As with the NYT ad revenue Trumps truth.

Prowlerzee said...

Omg...more on this Bernie link when you can, Joseph...thanks Anon609

CambridgeKnitter said...

The thing that's been annoying me about the pee-pee tape is how nearly everyone I've heard or read discussing it (outside this site, because you made it easily available to us, for which I thank you) mischaracterizes it. They act as though it's a fetish thing, that Cheetolini likes to be peed on. Not at all. It was about desecrating a bed that the Obamas had slept in because someone is obsessed with erasing and debasing them for what I believe to be totally racist reasons.

I've seen too many lefties say they can't pass judgment on someone else's sexual fetishes, and we already know how the cult members feel about such matters. On the other hand, the racism and obsession can't be explained away or overlooked as easily. I've done my little bit to set the record straight where I can, but I sure wish the real story would get wider play. I dare say far more people would find it quite believable, compared to what they think the story is.

Prowlerzee said...

Ditto Cambridgeknitter

Anonymous said...

Yes, Cambridge Knitter. I'm a double ditto with Prowlerzee.

Trump may have his sexual fetishes but the over-wrought obsession is discrediting Barack Obama, desecrating anything and everything the man stands and stood for but more importantly revenge x1000 for being humiliated, laughed at during that press dinner. Trump is a small, incredibly thin-skinned individual who cannot tolerate a black man giving him a slap upside the head, so richly deserved. I say this as not the biggest fan of Barack Obama's presidency. But Mother of God, Obama is 10x Trump's measure, a prince vs a bridge troll. And it would be ironic if the obsession with Obama is what tips the scale and finally brings Trumpty-Dumpty down.

Anyway, after listening to clips of Sean Hannity and other Fox News' whack jobs, all this nonsense about GPS Fusion and how Hillary colluded with the Russians and the 'serious' investigation of the bogus Uranium Deal, another Clinton Foundation conspiracy, I had a brain flash.

All this spinning isn't about Hillary or the Dems (though getting the rage-freaks jazzed up is part of it). This whole dog and pony show is about discrediting Mueller and his team, characterizing Comey as a Hillary Democrat in disguise. Even though he cost her the election.. It's a heavy lift because Comey and Mueller are well respected in Republican circles. But the calls for both men to resign are already reaching a frenzied pitch over on the 'fair and balanced' station.

Hannity was particularly shrill today. Which makes me think that Trump and his peeps are feeling the weight of the future on their necks. They don't like it; they don't like it at all. Like rats, they're beginning to scramble for the exits, make excuses, point little rat paws at each other and anyone who endangers the grift, all the while knowing their days and nights as free rodents are a dwindling few.

Peggysue

PS Joe: Your run down of the Republican argument was spot-on. I heard the whole spiel today in all its illogical glory.

Alessandro Machi said...

This entire staining is not about the Pee Pee tape. Its about why is it not ok for Kushner or others in Trump Land to pay a foreign source for dirt on Hillary Clinton, yet it's ok for the Clinton Campaign to purchase or initiate dirt Intel on Trump.

So focusing on whether or not the Clinton Campaign funded the intel is important. However, if it's true that the Dossier was initially funded by a Republican Operative, and then taken over by the Democrats or the Clinton Campaign, that is less of a controversy since there is a Republican at the root of the original search.

The Democrats have a second firewall as well, Trump refused to disclose his Income Tax Returns, making Trump the first presidential candidate in I don't know how long to refuse to do so even as Sander's was blasting Clinton over the release of her Income Taxes and her Wall Street Speeches.

Speaking of Sander's, Sander's and Trump were using Political Operatives who both worked in Eastern Europe for a decade and were most likely in contact with each other, so that would be a third firewall to do research on Trump versus simply looking for Dirt on Hillary Clinton as was done in Trumpland.

Then throw in Trump's BLATANT LYING about Trump Products Trump alleged were in production at his Press conference after his Michigan Primary Win when it was all FICTION and the Democrats had every right to Investigate Trump, thus a fourth firewall.

A Fifth Firewall of difference between Kushner paying for dirt on Clinton versus the Steele Dossier would be that the Dossier went to the FBI and they began using the Intel and wanting more, and were going to pay for more, until Steele was exposed.

May I suggest we focus further discussion to how the Steele Dossier PALES in comparison to simply paying for "Dirt" on Hillary Clinton. Joseph, you can probably do a much more thorough job than I just did.

Prowlerzee said...

Peggysue, Joseph, and all those who read tweets and watch Fox and report back from those foul frontlines, thank you for your service.