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In the wake of Israel’s summer 2014 genocidal massacre in Gaza, euphemistically called Operation “Protective” Edge,” the US corporate media is finally (somewhat) catching on to the egregious degree of violent extremism, racism, and downright fascism in Israeli culture.My question: What the hell are the Israelis bitching about? Could the United States government look the other way more when it comes to Israeli crimes against humanity? How could that even be possible?
A 5 August NBC story, titled “Send President Obama Ebola as Birthday Gift, Some Israelis Say,” reports that, according to a recent poll, 46% of Israelis “said they wanted to give Barack Obama an envelope containing the Ebola virus as a present for his 53rd birthday.”
Note, these aren’t just “some” Israelis, as NBC writes; these are almost half of Israelis.
Vox also ran a story, published on 4 August, when 48% of polled Israelis had advocated sending Ebola.
In this country, if you call Israel an apartheid state, you will be derided as an anti-Semite. Yet in an infuriating display of hypocrisy, a growing number of Israelis openly admit that they desire an apartheid state. ("We can say it. You are forbidden.")
In 2012, in Haaretz, renowned journalist Gideon Levy published the results of a poll that found “Most Israeli Jews Would Support Apartheid Regime in Israel.” This study, “expos[ing] anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews,” was not based on an internet survey. It was conducted by Dialog and directed by professor Camil Fuchs, Haaretz’s polling expert and head of the Department of Statistics at Tel Aviv University’s School of Mathematical Science, and commissioned by the Yisraela Goldblum Fund.The short Max Blumenthal presentation embedded above reveals horrifying details of what went on in Gaza. Some of these details shocked the hell out of me, and I've been following this story. Arguably, the IDF are even more brutal and merciless than were Hitler's armies.
The study revealed the following unsavory facts about Israeli society:
– 59% want preference for Jews over Arabs in admission to jobs in government ministries.
– 49% want the state to treat Jewish citizens better than Arab ones
– 42% don’t want to live in the same building with Arabs
– 42% don’t want their children in the same class with Arab children.
– c. 33% want a law barring Israeli Arabs from voting for the Knesset
– 69% object to giving 2.5 million Palestinians the right to vote if Israel annexes the West Bank.
– 74% majority are in favor of separate roads for Israelis and Palestinians
– 24% believe separate roads are “a good situation”
– 50% believe separate roads are “a necessary situation”
– 47% want part of Israel’s Arab population to be transferred to the Palestinian Authority
– 36% support transferring some of the Arab towns from Israel to the PA, in exchange for keeping some of the West Bank settlements
– 38% want Israel to annex the territories with settlements on them
– 31% don’t admit that Israel practices apartheid against Arabs
– 58% do admit that Israel practices apartheid against Arabs
Noam Chomsky still speaks as if the United States is calling the shots and Israel follows our orders. (See below.) But is that really the case? Which is the tail and which is the dog?
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"Ramallah (Palestinian Territories) (AFP) - The Palestinians are under heavy pressure to drop plans to seek a UN Security Council resolution to end Israel's occupation, risking $700 million a year in US aid, president Mahmud Abbas has said."
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Abbas should call Kerry's bluff. The US will be hard pressed to cut off funds (700k) when the no-strings attached three billion to Israel continues.
Joining the ICC is critical. Israel and USdotgove are worried. If vetoed, I hope Abbas has the balls to follow through. he has no choice.
Ben
Anyone that believes Israelis share the blind love and devotion for Americans and Christians that some political figures here have for Israelis should check out the anti American, anti American ads Netanyahu had his Ministry of Immigration Absorption put out. If the US put out ads like that, the world would be outraged. But congress and talking heads were afraid of being called anti Semite and stayed silent. Thankfully, Jewish Americans raised a huge fuss and got Netanyahu to pull his ads.
Are you anti-Semitic or just willfully ignorant? Tough call. But let's start with this, the Ebola poll was put out by an entertainment company that asked people to call in. It was not a scientific poll. It is the equivalent of one of Bill O'Reilly's call in polls. The company said IT WAS NOT A SCIENTIFIC POLL. Of course you could have discovered that if you had followed your own links. Haaretz apologized for the Gideon Levy article which misrepresented the poll and Levy himself apologized, citing time constraints for his errors. But why let facts get in the way of a narrative. When you use words like apartheid, fascist and genocide, most people assume that you are using the words as the rest of the English speaking world uses them. However, you have your own private language meaning real communication is impossible. Lastly, to compare the IDF to the Nazi armies is beyond sick. It indicates either an astonishing lack of knowledge of history or, more likely, a pathology so diseased that it causes complete irrationality. Get some help.
Chomsky is full of it.
He even says BDS (boycott-divestment-sanctions) against Israel is a bad idea because unlike in South Africa most of the population in the country would oppose it. What?
On the wag and dog question...
Does a Stars and Stripes PAC own the Knesset?
Did Avigdor Lieberman do a Hillary and say it would be fine for the US Navy to shoot and kill unarmed civilian humanitarian Israelis on the high seas?
Does a US equivalent to the Shomrim, the Jewish police agency, patrol any areas in 'Israel'?
In parts of north London the Shomrim have a far quicker response time than the British police - and they also benefit from better access to a lot of CCTV surveillance footage. I see they also operate in Baltimore.
And what about any 'US first' equivalents of CPMAJO, Hollywood or the ADL?
Imagine if nearly 50% of a poll sample of US citizens said they wanted Netanyahu to be shot dead. I think the ADL might say something in response.
Has any powerful US-friendly organisation in Israel kicked up a fuss when Israelis say they'd like Obama to be murdered?
I just can't take seriously the idea that Israel is under US domination. Can Chomsky be for real?
Did you not understand the context of my comment?
You should see the pressure from Netanyahoo as all-pervasive but apparently you don't
Ben
small j, I've figured it out. The only anti-Semitic Jews -- and probably the only anti-Semites who matter -- are the ones who support Israel.
I'll probably write a long column about it one of these days. But the gist is, they want to be hated. That's why they are un(?)consciously aping the Nazis.
The psychology is pretty easy to understand. A child who feels scorned, abused and falsely accused of various wrongs will grow into an adult who lacks self-esteem but makes up for with overweening bravado. In adulthood, such a person will do self-destructive things -- or destructive things, as a way of earning the scorn to which he has become used. (The sadist is always a secret masochist who metes out that which he feels he deserves.) You've probably met this sort of person in your own life. We all have. I think that this same psychological process happens to groups -- and I am NOT just talking about Jews. You can probably think of other examples.
America has Uncle Sam. Israel should use the image of Dan Burros.
I looked up those ads. Seems to me the Israelis-versus-diaspora theme is similar to the Zionist left-versus-right theme in 'Israel'. When it really comes down to it, these issues are fake or at best superficial, however much shouting might occur. I would have expected the anti-Christmas thing to get some flak. The touchstone issue is whether or not people support the existence of a Jewish state in Palestine, an existence which depends on genocide and I don't mean the German Nazi one.
I'm sure if you conducted a web survey (not a statistically valid, scientific poll) of readers of some websites in the US (say, Ace of Spades, Hot Air, or Instapundit), I'm sure you'd come up with some shocking and inflammatory results - and they'd be every bit as representative of American opinion as this survey was of Israelis.
So now you're going to add anti-semitism to the words that will have a different meaning and put up a post that up is down, black is white, war is peace and apples are llamas. I don't think I'll be paying much attention. I think that anti-Israel rants, Israel being the only Jewish state in the world, are at bottom anti-semitism. But you don't have to believe me, I'm sometimes wrong, not as often as you, but occasionally nonetheless. The expert on anti-semitism that you might listen to is Yaacov Lozowick. He has a blog, yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com and he has his email address there. He seems like a nice man and would probably respond to polite questions. Ask him about your anti-Israel posts. Learn something.
Lower-case j: what is your view on Jewish racism, then, which is what this article is about? Not enough 'expert opinion' or 'scientific evidence' to establish that it's widespread or has played a role in oppressing and massacring innocents?
Just as the only views on apartheid South Africa (and Israel is far worse) which deserved respect were premised on the idea that there should be no legal distinction between blacks and whites, the only views on the Zionist regime which deserve respect are premised on the idea that there should be no ethnic Jewish state in the Middle East, no Israel. Reasonable discussion can be had about what proportion of settlers to expel once the country is occupied and de-Zionisation is underway.
"I think that anti-Israel rants, Israel being the only Jewish state in the world, are at bottom anti-semitism"
Deep in your heart, you know full well that your formulation allows Israel to commit any crime. One could as easily argue that in the year 1940, any anti-Germany rant must stem from anti-German racial prejudice, because Germany was the only German state in the world.
Absurd.
At least Germany, for all its horrors, was not built on stolen land. Israel IS built on stolen land. Every pro-Israeli Jew knows this fact very well. That's why Jews react with purple-faced fury whenever someone points out the inarguable. The fury derives from the lack of rational counter-argument. All you have is the illogical formulation that "Auschwitz justifies stealing land from the Palestinians." (Bet you're just dying to say make that argument right now, aintcha? Pathetic.)
The reality is that one of history's great victims immediately became one of history's great victimizers. Your psychological inability to recognize this reality does not make it any less real.
Look at what you say here:
"The expert on anti-semitism that you might listen to is Yaacov Lozowick..."
Pretend, for the moment, that we are talking about an expert in anti-Martianism or anti-Chupacabraism or some other group to which neither you nor I belong. Can you see the problem with your statement, from the standpoint of formal logic?
You are expecting the other party to accept as a given a formulation backed purely by your say so! Would you allow a Martian to stipulate that a Martian should be the final authority on what constitute anti-Martianism?
The right of the Jews to steal Palestinian land is based on the same "logic" of proof-by-assertion. Jews continually tell us that they have a right to live there because God gave the land to the Jews. And never mind the fact that David Ben Gurion didn't believe in God, and neither does Netanyahu. Neither do (I would wager) a good many modern American Jews. Many have a squishy, malleable "sort of, kind of" belief in God which transfigures into fanatical fundamentalism only when Israel is mentioned.
When you point out this contradiction to Jews -- "If God does not exist, how can God parcel out real estate?" -- Jews smile and shrug and think it's all very cute. Well, it's NOT cute. It's the fundamentalist anti-logic at the foundation of a crime exactly similar to the crime against the American Indians.
John Oliver and Andy Zaltzman (yes, THAT John Oliver is also part of a comedy team in the UK) underlined this absurdity in a skit they did some years back. Zaltsman said: "Well, John, I'm Jewish, so it's all very simple. God gave us the land of Israel. End of story."
And Oliver answers that he just spoke to God, who told him something different. "The point is, Andy, I BELIEVE it, and therefore it is legally and politically binding."
Do you disagree with Oliver? You must hate British people.
I have nothing to learn from you, joseph. You have no moral right to lecture me on anything. You are an apologist for evil and I am not. I am not going to listen to any of your bullshit any more than I would have listened to (say) William Dudley Pelley's pro-German bullshit back in the 1930s.
If this were 1940, I'd say that Italians were unworthy of argument, unworthy of being heard out, unworthy of anything but spit and bullets. (And I say that as someone of Italian heritage.) Israel has reached a similar level of depravity. We no longer need to hear your side. You've been heard already. You do not HAVE a side. All you have is rage, racism, and strident accusations of anti-Semitism that have lost all meaning and that no longer have any impact.
The thing is, joseph, I sense that deep in your heart, you KNOW that Jews have committed land-theft and genocide.
How you must hate yourself! Only self-hatred -- not self-interest -- could compel anyone to defend mass murder.
I probably should not have written such a long reply. It seems defensive to do so, and I am not the one who needs to defend anything.
So let's put it briefly.
I cited a poll which says that nearly 60 percent of Israelis ADMIT that Israel is an apartheid state. You, joseph, defend the state of Israel, which openly defines itself as an apartheid state...as a racist state.
And yet YOU accuse ME of racism!
Do you have ANY concept of how sick that is, joseph? See a shrink. You are mentally ill.
By the way, B, Chomsky is not full of it. He's a great man. However, his point of view was formulated in the 1960s, when the US imperialism in Vietnam was the issue. Having pinpointed the bad guy then, he tends to see the same bad guy in all other situations.
I told you that Haaretz apologized for its characterization of the poll. Here is an analysis of it http://www.timesofisrael.com/haaretz-changes-tack-on-major-story-that-alleged-widespread-apartheid-attitudes-in-israel/ But again, why let facts get in the way of a narrative?
Actually, your link shows that there was nothing wrong with the poll itself, only how it was characterized by Haaretz. Some of the key questions were not properly reported, and some data was mashed together to make it seem worse than it was. Nonetheless, Israel IS an apartheid state, and the ACTUAL poll supports the notion that many Israelis agree that this is the case (whether they think it's bad or good). Just maybe not a majority, as the original articles claimed. There is no question at all that the government of Israel wants and enforces an apartheid state, and a decent percentage of the populace is okay with that.
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