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Sunday, December 06, 2009

Where is Osama Bin Laden?

Where is Osama Bin Laden? Defense Secretary Robert Gates doesn't know. He says that the U.S. has not had any good intelligence on Bin Laden for years.

Oddly, this statement implies that the U.S. cannot even pinpoint the country that Bin Laden calls home. Last June, Leon Panetta stumped for Pakistan: "The last information we had, that's still the case."

Yet the BBC has published a report stating that a Taliban detainee supplied information -- second-hand, admittedly -- that Bin Laden was in Afghanistan in February or January.
"The sheikh doesn't stay in any one place. That guy came from Ghazni, so I think that's where the sheikh was."
Ghazni, near the border with Pakistan, is usually considered out of bounds for American troops. This is the place where the Taliban destroyed an historic statue of Buddha.

The same informant offered some further details which have received insufficient attention:
The detainee, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said that militants were avoiding Pakistani territory because of the risk of US drone attacks.

"Pakistan at this time is not convenient for us to stay in because a lot of our senior people are being martyred in drone attacks," he said.
Pakistan's Prime Minister says that Bin Laden is not in his country.

And then there's this:
It is widely believed that Bin Laden returned to Afghanistan sometime in 2002 after his December 2001 escape from the Tora Bora mountains into Pakistan's tribal areas. Pakistani leaders have consistently claimed Bin Laden has never been in Pakistan and is more likely hiding out in Afghanistan or Iran.
This assertion, if true, conflicts with everything that we have been told for years. In 2005, CIA Director Porter Goss said that he had an "excellent idea" as to Bin Laden's location. His commentary indicated that politics, not a lack of information, impeded further pursuit -- at least, that's how I would interpret this gnomish pronouncement:
That is a question that goes far deeper than you know. In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice. We are making very good progress on it. But when you go to the very difficult question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play.
Cryptic as these words may be, they seem to indicate that Bin Laden was -- to the certain knowledge of the U.S. intelligence community -- alive and residing in Pakistan (at least as of 2005), and that the difficulty in capturing him had to do with our relations with the Pakistani government.

So how do we square what Goss had to say with the recent suggestion that Bin Laden has been in Afghanistan since 2002? If the Afghan claim has been "widely believed" for years, then why was not the American public allowed to share in this wide belief?

I cannot help but note how convenient these stories are.

During the Bush era, the American public would not have tolerated being told that Osama was "widely believed" to be in Afghanistan -- a country where the niceties of international relations did not forbid us from operating. Now, President Obama wants to escalate the conflict in Afghanistan -- and I will not be surprised to see the administration announce that American troops have to go into the Taliban-controlled areas in order to capture Bin Laden.

Osama Bin Laden is wherever we want him to be.

In 2006, the CIA shut down the unit tasked with hunting Bin Laden. Intriguingly, this move occurred some months after Dr Clive Williams, director of terrorism studies at the Australian National University, claimed that he had received documents from a colleague in India providing evidence of Bin Laden's death in April of 2005. (Perhaps Porter Goss had an "excellent idea" that Osama was under the sod...?) I'm wondering why we've seen no further discussion of these documents -- after all, if a college professor can see them, so should we.

Also in 2006, semi-official sources in Pakistan spread the report that Bin Laden had died of Typhus.

Michael Ledeen, quoting "Iranians I trust," said that Bin Laden died that same year in Iran. Ledeen says that Bin Laden spent most of his time hanging out in that country since his expulsion from Afghanistan. Fat chance, say I. The kind of Iranians Ledeen might trust are not necessarily people I would trust -- and everyone knows that Ledeen and his associates have spent years trying to stir up a war against Iran.

Earlier this year, two UCLA professors came out with this interesting report (pdf) indicating that Bin Laden was probably hiding in or around Parachinar, Pakistan, in Kurram province, near the Afghan border. The overhead photos reproduced here represent their three best guesses as to his current (or recurrent?) locale.

The paper states that the largest of these photos depicts a complex which may be a prison, although it has unusually well-maintained grounds. The other buildings seem to be rather large private residences.

Last April, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said that his country has found no trace of Bin Laden. He further opined that Osama was probably dead. Last month, George W. Bush "guessed" that Bin Laden was still alive.

Final note:
This is one of those topics that tends to bring out the hyper-macho asshole in many readers. I do not disrespect your opinion, but may I humbly ask you to refrain from offering your opinion as hard, proven, testable fact?

As if you know.
Comments:
ok.,will risk it
-> (WIIIIDE shot)
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/01/blackwater-201001
 
Conspiracy guru Alex Jones stated categorically that they were going to "roll bin Laden out on ice" before the 2004 election.
 
That the republicans can show their faces on this issue, let alone criticize anything Obama does or does not do about bin Laden, shows how weak and spineless Democrats are.
 
I recently read a post somewhere, I think maybe FDL, about a man who has written a book laying out extensive evidence that Osama Bin Laden is dead and has been for several years.

This ost went into pretty convincing detail all of the evidence that he is not alive and listed several prominent intelligence officers from various countries who have stated he is dead.

I've been trying to find that post again, but I cannot find it again. Complete blank. I cannot even find the name of the book.

I have a coworker who doesn't want to learn any more because his brain is all filled up and if he puts anything more in, something falls out. He's going to retire in a few months, so he doesn't want to waste the little space he has left. I may be approaching his age. If anyone else read that article,or knows what the book is, please say so. I'll write it down this time.
 
There's a book entitled "Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?" by David Ray Griffin; I haven't read it and have no opinion on the issue, but it may be the book that "Anonymous" (715 AM) was referring to.

Amazon has it here, and at least some readers have given it fairly good reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/Osama-Bin-Laden-Dead-Alive/dp/1566567831
 
anon 7:15am,
E-mail Thom Hartmann. He talks about the book all the time. I wrote it down but lost the paper.
Brain damage....

rompadinker
 
Now you ask...I had the address written on a matchbook...sheesh, why can you never find what you are looking for when you want it?

This moment of utter clueless bumbling is brought to you by the politically purged:

United States Intelligence Services or [USIS] which kinda rhymes with useless.
 
He's in Canada!
 
Crawford, TX
 
His reported death in December of 2001 ought to be mentioned, if only to reject the story.

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