Porter Goss was careful to parse his words in the conditional future tense when talking about what, exactly, he and Pelosi were briefed on in September 2002
And Senator Richard Shelby also carefully avoided saying he'd been briefed on EITs that had already been used, saying only that he'd been told about the techniques.
Bob Graham, who was theoretically in the room with Shelby, says he has no recollection of the meeting at all – this from a man who famously details his every waking minute. Perhaps the most astonishing response has been from the CIA Director Leon Panetta, who basically said: Don't trust our records. Which begs the question: what other issues have they kept questionable records on?I dunno. Oswald's 201 file?
By the way, Ron Elving's piece on Pelosi has to be the ultimate in smarm. Savor these words, for they achieve smarmgasm:
No one will ever mistake House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and former Vice President Dick Cheney for soul mates, but the two have a lot in common.
Lately, they have in common the issue of torture, and the burden of things they knew about it, did about it or said about it...
Cheney defends the use of "extreme techniques" while refusing to call waterboarding torture. Pelosi insists she did not know about waterboarding despite claims to the contrary, and she accuses the CIA of lying to her and to Congress.See? There's a moral equivalence there, when you think about it. Elving has convinced me that both parties are equally guilty of torture. Then again, perhaps the Dems bear an even greater burden of guilt. After all, Hillary more or less started the Iraq war all by herself (or so said the Kossacks throughout 2008).
I tried to measure Elving's piece with my trusty smarmometer, but it burst. Now I have to buy a new smarmometer.
3 comments:
Joe-
I wanted to send you a little something to help with the purchase of a new smarmometer, but I ran into a problem with your paypal link. I would love to see that fixed so we can all chip in to help.
Thanks,
sleepingdogs/emjaybee
What a shame, cuz it ruined a good joke:
Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day. As they walked, they come across a sign: "Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world."
"I am entering!" said Snow White. After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, "Well, how'd ya do?"
"First Place!" said Snow White.
They continue walking and they see a sign: "Contest for the strongest man in the world."
"I'm entering," says Superman. After half an hour, he returns and they ask him, "How did you make out?"
"First Place," answers Superman. "Did you ever doubt?"
They continue walking when they see a sign: "Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?" Pinocchio enters.
After half an hour he returns with tears in his eyes.
"What happened?" they asked.
"Who the hell is this Nancy Pelosi?" asked Pinocchio.
Ah, speaking of O's 201 file -- wasn't Pres. Obama promising to have the most (o)pen gov in history? How about getting those Kennedy records/files out before 2017 (or2024 or whatever) -- like now?
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