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Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Lies, damned lies and Barack Obama

I'll confess: I did not watch the Saddleback Faith Forum extravaganza, in which Obama, by all accounts, fared poorly. What concerns me is not the number of errrs and uhhhs but the frequency and nature of the fibbing. Some claim that Obama slipped a lie into every answer. Did he?

To judge from the transcript and blog accounts, the answer is no. Still there were some very worrisome fibs.

1. The war. Obama claimed that opposing the Iraq War resolution was the most wrenching decision of his life because he was, at the time, a candidate for the Senate. In fact, he was a candidate for the Illinois State Senate, representing a district in which a pro-war stance would have proven an impossible sell.

During his actual campaign for the federal office, all of his primary challengers took far more visible anti-war stands. Obama mentioned the war as little as possible. He did not criticize the decision to go to war during his national address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. (And before some dunderhead out there says it -- because some dunderhead out there always says it -- Obama was not protecting John Kerry, who offered strong criticism of the decision to invade during his acceptance speech.)

In his autobiography, Obama admits that he reconsidered his opposition to the invasion as he watched the "shock and awe" campaign.

2. Late-term abortions. Obama said that he favored reducing late-term abortions as long as there was no threat to the mother's health. But during his time in the Illinois State Senate, Obama established a record of voting against Born Alive Infant’s Protection Act. During the interview, he misrepresented his own position on that Act, as his campaign later had to admit.

3. Number of abortions. Obama stated that the number of abortions has not gone down during the Bush presidency. This statement is incorrect.

According to this chart, the number of reported abortions was 1,359,437 in 1992, the last year of the Bush I presidency. The numbers steadily went down during the Clinton administration: 885,207 in 1998, 864,078 in 1999 and 861,343 in 2000. Here are the Bush II numbers: 853911 in 2001, 854382 in 2002, 850230 in 2003 and 839226 in 2004 (the last year for which we have reliable data).

When you consider the increase in population, it is clear that abortion has continued to decline under Bush II, although the rate of decline is not so impressive as it was under Bill Clinton.

Yes, I favor a woman's right to choose. But I also favor accuracy in statements by presidential candidates. A decline is not an increase and a decline is not stasis -- even if the rate of decline has slowed.

4. Gay marriage. Obama offered this definition of marriage: "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman." No: Sex is the union of man and woman. Marriage is a legal and religious institution.

Obama now says that he views marriage as a strictly heterosexual affair and favors civil unions. Nevertheless, he also thinks that all states should recognize gay marriages which occur in states that have legalized same. This is a nuanced position, essentially no different from John Kerry's in 2004.

Alas, his new "hets only" marriage stance conflicts with the position he espoused just two months ago:
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, who previously said the issue of gay marriage should be left up to each state, has announced his opposition to a California ballot measure that would ban same-sex marriages.

In a letter to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club read Sunday at the group’s annual Pride Breakfast in San Francisco, the Illinois senator said he supports extending “fully equal rights and benefits to same-sex couples under both state and federal law.”
5. Clarence Thomas. On this occasion, Obama told a truth which inadvertently gave the lie to his own candidacy.
"I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. I don't think that he, I don't think that he was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation."
In other words, experience counts. I agree. But I didn't expect to hear Barack Obama make that argument. Of all people...!

6. Campaign Finance Reform. Obama bragged that he worked with John McCain on this issue. In fact, McCain continues to receive public financing route; Obama outraged many supporters when he decided not to do so.

7. Persecution. When asked about increasing religious persecution in many parts of the world, Obama answered:
"Well, I think that the first thing we have to do is to bear witness and speak out and not pretend that it is not taking place."
True enough. But: When has Obama ever spoken out on the subject previously?

Neither lie nor truth: If you didn't see the event, check out Obama's answer on whether faith-based organizations should receive federal money if they hire only within the faith. He never answered the question!
Comments:
Oh no !!!! you finally revealed to the world the terrible secret that Obama is a POLITICIAN ! He is doomed ! I'm sure most of the planet will be shocked to learn that he may have changed his mind on issues or that he's twisting the truth depending on who he's talking too. We never saw any politician do this before, I'm totally shocked !

McCain the super maverick POW never lied. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER and NEVER lied (exactly like Clinton, he NEVER lied either) ! He only says the truth, all the truth, all the time. He's not a politician, he's like your cool grandpa you wanna have your first beer with.

Beer apart, too bad you wont look at John McCain with the same scrutiny. You can't judge a presidential candidate in a vacuum against pure surrealist ideals and ignore the mishaps of the other candidate. If you're only voting for angels, you're either delusional or you never vote. And please, don't pretend Hillary was an angel. I still think she would be a better choice than McCain, but the primary process of the party (you can criticized it if you want) chose Obama instead, and he's also a better choice than McCain, even if you want to pretend it was the most vile campaign in history of humankind. You don't have anything to back this apart from anecdotal evidence based on your personal experience (and perception of reality totally distorted by rage).

While you can laugh at the Veep hopeful trying to pretend that Obama had something to do with the ceasefire in the Georgian crisis, you won't look at the REAL link between this fabricated crisis and McCain entourage.

"While Aide Advised McCain, His Firm Lobbied for Georgia"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR2008081202932.html

So, are you really saying that electing John McCain would be better for the US than Obama ? Or is it only your ego desire for revenge against some radical (a polite word for asshole) Obama supporters you despise and very conveniently confuse with all Obama supporters ?
 
"Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] a joint resolution (i.e. a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

"THAT WAS A NOT A POPULAR

7 VIEW AT THE TIME AND I WAS JUST STARTING MY CAMPAIGN FOR

8 THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF

9 PEOPLE WHO ADVISED ME, YOU SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS. " -Obama



"In mid-2002, Obama began considering a run for the U.S. Senate, enlisting political strategist David Axelrod that fall and formally announcing his candidacy in January 2003."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

He said he "was just starting his campaign" . Do you not think he started his campaign well before the official announcement in Jan of 2003?
 
2. Late-term abortions.

Reality Check

"When Obama Voted "No""

"It is to Barack Obama's credit that, as an Illinois state senator, he voted against BAIPA twice, and then, as chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee in 2003, prevented it from advancing to the floor."
See what the legislation was he voted against:
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/03/25/when-obama-voted-no


What did Obama say at the Forum?
 
ABORTION?

"Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record"
From the NY SUN.
http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-facing-attacks-from-all-sides-over-abortion/84059/

Joe,
Are you sure you want to go after Obama on this one?
He claimed in the Forum that the bills we not identical. He supported the Federal law but opposed the state. Whjether or not the the bills were identical is even now hard to say. The article thinks Obama misstated his position but it appears he only misstated the reasons. But still not sure.

He appears to have acted correctly in his voting however.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_voting_record_on_aborti_1.html

and see:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html
 
For what it's worth, on the narrow subject mentioned here of gay marriage, I'd like to repeat the single best idea I've ever heard on the subject, and which I've never heard repeated since, thusly:

ALL legal rights granted to married couples should be conferred to the institution of CIVIL UNIONS, whether they be hetero- or homo-sexual. Both types of unions should be treated equally. Visitation at hospitals, tax breaks, et al, would be granted purely by the government as they are governmentally guaranteed and/or provided.

Conversely, MARRIAGE should be conferred upon a couple purely through the function of a stand-alone church or it's equivilent, whatever that may be.

This would at once remove the Federal and State governments from regulating marriage as an institution, while still conferring the governmentally-sanctioned benefits and penalties upon civil unions.

This would also allow heterosexual couples to have a 'religious' marriage without any of the legal complications involved marriage as it is currently legally understood. I think there would be benefits to this side the coin as well.

Off-topic, but I wanted to share.
-Hoarseface.
 
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