Thursday, June 12, 2008

Once again: Can Barack Obama legally run for president?

The meme won't die, even though Obama' s Democratic opponents have -- so far -- avoided it.

On the right, people are asking: Does the Constitution allow Barack Obama to run for president? Is he a "natural born citizen"?

The matter should be obvious. He was born in Hawaii after statehood. His mother was born in Kansas and spent the first 18 years of her life within the U.S.

But...was Obama actually born in Hawaii? Apparently, his birth was also registered in Kenya, the homeland of his father. Rumor has it that Barack Obama's mother, Stanley (yes: Stanley) Ann Dunham went to Kenya to deliver the child.

Consider those rumors scotched.

The current presidential candidate was indeed born on the beautiful island of Oahu. Daily Kos -- leading blog of the Whole Foods Nation -- has published a birth certificate. Until now, the Obama campaign's reluctance to furnish the document fueled wild speculation. (Note that the campaign sent the thing directly to Moulitsas. That fact should tell you how closely they worked together to spread the "Clintons as racists" smear.)

Interesting question: Suppose Barack Obama had been born in Kenya? Would he still be eligible to run for president? In a previous column, we referenced a FindLaw article which states that
...If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.
So read the Immigration and Nationality Act between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986. (Obama was born in 1961.) Ann Dunham was 18 at the time of her son's birth, so she would not qualify under this measure.

However: The new law, 8 U.S.C. 1401, Sec. 301 (g) (here) has a better understanding of biological reality:
...a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...
Obama's mama qualifies under that law.

Wait a minute! (I hear you shouting.) That's the post-1986 rule! It wasn't in place when Obama was born! It doesn't count!

Yes it does. Here's the part of 301(g) that the conservative bloggers always leave out:
This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date
Looks like we're stuck with Obi.

By the way, if you check out the Kossack thread on the link above, the Cheeto-heads are still decrying Hillary, Queen of Evil. They're pissed off about Whitewater, of all things.

Democrats. Angry about Whitewater. In 2008.

And these blithering idiots still can't understand why, for the first time in my life, I feel so alienated from my party that I would rather see the Republican win.

PS: It was always rather ridiculous to assert that Ann Dunham traveled to Kenya to give birth. She was not welcome there. As the Lightbringer reveals in Dreams From My Father, both sets of grandparents objected to the marriage -- but the strongest objections came from the father of Barack Obama Sr. He hated the idea of his son marrying a white woman.

Gosh. I thought that only those inherently horrid and genetically vicious white people could ever be so racist. Could it be that irrational fear of The Other is a human characteristic, and not a purely paleface practice?

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who's Vetting the Smear Vetters?
(A VETTERS GUIDE)

Step One:
Raise a reasonably plausible Obama "background" question.

Step Two:
Move family to Utah.

<>_<>

Anonymous said...

No Joseph, only white people are racist. Kenyans might want their sons to only marry black people, Hutus don't let their kids marry Tutsis, young Chinese American women get their butts kicked for not marrying Chinese, just like man y "Italian" families want their kids to marry al interno della famiglia ...and don't get me started on a bar-mitva'ed marrying a shiksa... but only white people are racist. And they're all racist, unless of course, you know, they vote for OBbaarmaak

Anonymous said...

John McCain was born in Panama. How come nobody is making a big deal about that?

Twilight said...

It's odd, isn't it, that the Obama campaign would hand over the certificate of birth (as opposed to The Birth Certificate) to El Kos rather than just display it on the official site when all the hoo-haa about it began?

I doubt it's a forgery, but why be so secretive in the first place I wonder. Maybe just trying to stir up conjecture and proving his opponents wrong in dramatic(?) fashion. A bit of stagecraft perhaps?

Ah well, it'll give the astrologers something to talk about, the time of birth is different - they've gone with 1.06pm, then 7.11pm, now it's 7.24.
Keeps the wheels of bloggery turnin', don't it!

Joseph Cannon said...

I've never reproduced, and now you have me curious -- just how do they determine the exact minute of birth? I mean, is it when the first body part starts to emerge, or when the cord is cut, or when he or she first asks for the car keys, or what?

CognitiveDissonance said...

I would be very suspicious of anything Kos puts up on his site as proof of anything. How long would it take anyone to photoshop a birth certificate to say anything you wanted it to? Let's not forget about the claims of Clinton making Obama's face more black than it is, et al. Those who accuse this type of thing are usually guilty of doing the very things they accuse others of.

Anonymous said...

There are actually a number of OTHER issues Obama will be soon facing that many don’t know about. Some have been explained here but the larger story isn’t well known.

Link:
Board Games - Chicago Style
http://newsbyus.com/index.php/article/734
by Jack L. Key (6/12/08)

A glimpse at a larger problem is what Operation Board Games is after. I’ll offer that Chicago/Illinois is also used as a huge Laundromat involving big Banks and others. I was in a family for more than 26 years who’s directly involved in the Laundromat using the big Banks and can tell you that it’s beyond huge.

Obama may have many questions surrounding his birth but it’s nothing compared to what is up head. Rezko’s Trial showed him to be involved in a bird’s nest corruption scheme overseeing many control areas for the State under the Governor. But I know from the family that it’s more extensive than this. It has ties all the way up into the Federal area as well as throughout and into other areas. One important area to consider is how they use the many different boards to oversee and manage the Corporations involved for criminal activities.

Chiquita (Tribune Company) as an example was caught supplying Guns and seemed to get off with only a slap on their wrist. But what most don’t know is that Chiquita among others were distributing huge amounts of drugs linked with a larger corruption scheme that will astound everyone. Some of this in parts has already been in the news.

My ex-wife’s family is directly involved in the Illinois/Chicago Combine as it’s usually called as my younger son is directly involved with Rezko to my dismay. It’ll be unfortunate that maybe he will have his turn with explaining his role some day. But the family also is directly involved in air freighting huge amounts of drugs as “Clyde O’Connor”, my ex-sister-in-law’s brother was caught red handed with Greg Smith in Mexico last September. The family often bragged being a “CIA Asset” thus they would never be caught. But times have changed!

See Link:
Madcow Morning news
http://www.madcowprod.com/

I won’t explain what else is known at this point other than to say that Obama’s link to Rezko going back decades more than suggests he is involved far deeper than it appears. Plus what I’ve said above that has been blocked by MSM and only exists on the Internet supports my comment suggesting how huge this is.

Barak Obama needs to take a good hard look in the mirror and accept that his past is surfacing for all to know. Anyone can run for President and even be supported financially by many, but if you’ve been involved in criminal behavior you won’t end up being the President in the end. Again, times have changed!

Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL

Anonymous said...

And yes, everyone is racist. Same as women are sexist. The issue is about power.

It is rather odd for it to appear on Kos. I shall have to look up how they explain it. Anonymous poster to the site?

Harry

Twilight said...

Joseph:

Re time of birth question -
I haven't reproduced either except on a photocopier - erm - that sounds wrong! :-) LOL! So my info is academic only!

The first breath of the newborn is supposed to be the time to record -but officially recorded times aren't reliable from what I can gather. The midwife probably goes off to have a coffee before filling in the paperwork, then inserts her best guess. Unless the father stands at the bedside with a stopwatch, it's a bit hit and miss in most cases.

Anonymous said...

I'm very scared for the Party right now. Joseph may get his wish here—total credibility shredding of the Kos crew—soon. Personally, I think the MSM is waiting until as much of the left as possible is behind Obama before breaking the scandal (which may be why folks like Gore have decided to lie low).

Anonymous said...

LOL! Welcome to yesterday's news guys. No, it wasn't a KOS exclusive.

http://www.fightthesmears.com

That's his own website. Lose the hate and the paranoia please.

Anonymous said...

You do good work. Is it possible to determine whether the bc templates of Opendna were made from the Kos Obama bc, or whether they existed previoulsy. the time of birth being 7:24pm on both cannot be a coincidence.

Anonymous said...

Umm...about that part of 301(g) that conservative bloggers allegedly ignore...note that it refers to the PROVISO. That is the part that you neglected to actually cite, yourself.

You know the "proviso" is the part that starts "Provided"... It says that being in the military overseas can be used to count toward the required years. That's what is referred to as retroactive to 1952.

Citizen K said...

This Chicago Tribune article dated March 27, 2007, refers to Ann Dunham's marriage six months prior to Barack's birth, and her divorce from Barack Sr. in 1964.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-0703270151mar27,0,1310554.story?page=1
The divorce should be easy enough to trace.

Unknown said...

8 U.S.C. §1401(g)

Mr. Cannon, your analysis of the law is inaccurate. You missed an extemrely important factor See below:

301 NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

SEC. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401]

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: This is the part you missed - Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 28 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;

Mr. Obama's mother was the U.S. citizen, she was not serving an honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, she was not employed with the United States Government or with an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 28

The code you have cited is incorrect and does not apply to this case or Mr. Obama.

You can however do a search for the American or U.S. Embassy in foreign countries, look at births abroad, follow it to the year Mr. Obama was born, the applicable law is cited, which is the very same law outlined in Mr. Berg's pleadings. Mr. Berg's pleadings can be found at obamacrimes.com

Respectfully,
Mr. Berg's Assistant