Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Why are Ron Paul supporters so weird?

The Ron Paul phenomenon is bizarre. A student friend of mine has become genuinely creeped out by the Paulie presence on campus. "They've turned into the new LaRouchies," she told me. So enmeshed are they in their own private Pauliverse, they cannot notice the aroma of psychosis perfuming their interactions with the public, and they refuse to see that evangelical zeal can repulse as well as convert.

Because Paul embraces conspiracy theories -- and let's have no argument: He does -- his supporters now feel free to view all opposition as evidence of The Grand Plot Against Paul, who would surely top all polls if not for said Plot. A presidential campaign has become a paranoia engine.
If the Israel first 'American' media made the following 'Neo-CONNED' speech known to a majority of Americans, Ron Paul would be the leader of the pack..
Then there's the always-lovable Alan Stang, who thinks that the Soviet Union never fell:
Will the conspiracy for world government assassinate Dr. Paul? That is the stark question now before us.
The answer, you will not be surprised to learn, is yes. To prove the point, Stang quotes the author of what appears to be a crankish book about the Bilderbergers.
He says that sources in a think tank in U.S. intelligence tell him that people at the top of the U.S. government are considering the execution of Dr. Ron Paul, whose exploding popularity is causing them to fear they could lose control.
Sources. In a think tank. In U.S. intelligence. Who won't talk to normal reporters. But they will talk to the writers of wacky books about the Bilderbergers -- about the mortal threat posed by a candidate with single-digit poll numbers.

Today, Josh Marshall walks into the paranoia-cloud swirling around the Paulies. They have accused him of being part of the dreaded MSM. The anti-Paulies have proven just as wacky: They have pleaded with Marshall to "disavow" Paul, even though Marshall has never avowed the man.

The reason for this madness is not, I think, Paul's stance on the war, but his refusal to go along with the national consensus that Israel deserves unending support. I don't go along with that consensus myself, yet I recognize that merely bringing up the subject suffices to create outbreaks of mass hysteria.

As you know, my problem with Paul lies not with his stances on foreign policy, but with his Libertarianism. To a great degree, Libertarianism cannot be distinguished from Milton Friedmanism -- and as Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine proves beyond all rational argument, Friedmanism is the problem, not the solution.

Yet the zombie adherents of laissez faire (like the zombie adherents of Leninism) keep insisting that their Grand Theory has never received a proper trial. In their view, the one thing we must never, ever contemplate is the European mixed economy model, because that approach always leads to ruination and mass misery. Don't you know that they're stacking up the corpses of the homeless like cordwood on the streets of Oslo? Don't you know that that the French and German economies are doomed to fail completely within the next few months? True, the Libertarians have made that prediction for thirty years or more -- but this time for sure. (In the real world, the main economic problems facing Europe were created by George W. Bush's favoritism to his rich cronies.)

When I contemplate Friedmanism/Libertarianism, my mind keeps returning to the fascist connection. No, I'm not going to argue that Ron Paul is a secret Nazi. I don't think that Uncle Miltie was a Nazi, either. And yet no-one can deny that post-war fascism has allied itself with the Friedmanite death march throughout the third world. To prove the point, one need only point to Pinochet's use of Colonia Dignidad.

Oddly, the Nazis did not espouse laissez faire in the 1920s. Their chief economic theoretician in that period was a strange man named Gottfried Feder, who drew a distinction between industrial capitalists (the guys who make shoes) and finance capitalists (the bankers who loan money to the shoemakers). The former were the good guys, said Feder, while the latter were very bad guys indeed.

When the Nazis attained power, they never applied strict Federism. In the post-war era, those attracted to fascist thought seemed to gravitate toward Randroid economic views. Even so, a scan of the crank-right literature reveals that paranoia about finance capitalism remains strong. Of course, the term "finance capitalism" is no longer used; post-war fascists prefer to talk about the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the international bankers and so forth. During the cold war, there was even a strain of Nazism that favored the USSR over the United States. Francis Parker Yockey exemplified that stance; I suspect that he was impressed by Stalin's late segue into anti-Semitism.

So please do not classify me among those who simplistically conflate the Paulies with fascists. Fascism itself is such a complex phenomenon that, even after decades of study, I'm still not sure how to define the term.

But I do think that the Paulies are weird.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

One really sad thing about this post is that you're too uninformed to understand that libertarians - particularly Paul libertarians - HATE Milton Friedman and the Chicago School, because they subscribe to the views of Von Mises and the Austrian School.

This sort of elementary mistake is like loudly announcing that your problem with Stalin was his Trotskyitism. Everyone who hears it who knows anything of the issues involved immediately concludes that you're a half-educated rube.

But even the scoundrel Friedman deserves better than to have "Naomi logic" applied to him. Naomi, bless her little bluestocking heart, thinks that because Pinochet undertook economic reforms that were partially influenced by Friedman's work, that means that Friedman was a Pinochetist. Of course, the Chinese Communists ALSO undertook economic reforms that were in some areas influenced by Friedman's work, so this would imply that by "Naomi logic" Friedman was also a Chinese communist.

Silly dingbat dilettante that she is, Naomi apparently could not see that when the leader of an authoritarian system wants to liberalize part of that system, whatever model he chooses to use is not thereby made into an authoritarianism. Arguing that way implies that Naomi also would think that if a man has multiple illnesses and hires a doctor to help with with one, that the doctor becomes a disease. Poor Naomi should have chosen a career path more in keeping with her talents.

Anonymous said...

I think the Clintonites are wierd. They support Clinton Bush Co government lock stock and barrel without a care in the world. I guess they expect Jeb then Chelsea next.....
aren't all people wierd?

WD said...

I was one of the 25,000 first time contributors to the Ron Paul presidential campaign on Dec. 16th. I really like Dr. Paul’s adherence to the philosophies of our founding fathers. I especially like the “no entanglements” part. With every pothole that I crash through and every creaky bridge that I survive, I think towards the time when President Paul's sound domestic/foreign policies have Americans working to repair USA infrastructure instead of destroying and then rebuilding the rest of the world. Why just the cash given to Israel alone would have paid for the "$14 Billion Dollar Big Dig" in just over two (2) years. Next year Israel wants the cash in euros.

So many of Dr. Paul’s young supporters are written off as freaks, flakes or even worse. What I have come to understand is that many of them are the families and friends of all these young people coming back from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They know that they are next to be shipped off to some foreign land to fight and die in these endless wars that only the bankers love. Is that why this government pushes so hard for ever more poverty stricken immigrants? They need the poor for their war! Say, NO MORE!

Our government has admitted that almost 4,000 of our children have been killed so far in this war for Israel. Tens of thousands have been horribly maimed and burned. A literal army of teenagers and twenty-somethings in their wheelchairs. They have been permanently disfigured and they will forever suffer from this insane war for Israel.

I am almost fifty years old and I have always voted. I have already changed my party to Republican for the primary in my state (FL). I will be voting for Dr. Paul.

For the first time in my life, I sent $50 to a politician.

Anonymous said...

Off topic ? ->
http://www.rxpgnews.com/specialtopics/article_3287.shtml

AitchD said...

In 1946 the Roosevelt dime with the flame of Liberty on the back replaced the winged Liberty dime with the fasces. But the fasces display over the House Speaker's right shoulder is still prominent. Wasn't Goldwater's campaign for 1964 at about the same place the Paul campaign is now? Goldwater's supporters were also weird. Goldwater relied on the 'Southern strategy' to win the nomination. The Republican establishment (Rockefeller, Romney, Lodge, Scranton, Nixon, Eisenhower) couldn't stop Goldwater and his angry, hapless followers. I hope Paul wins the Republican nomination because I've said that 2008 will be a Dem landslide like 1964.

Joseph Cannon said...

Wow. How did these creeps wander onto MY blog?

"One really sad thing about this post is that you're too uninformed to understand that libertarians - particularly Paul libertarians - HATE Milton Friedman and the Chicago School, because they subscribe to the views of Von Mises and the Austrian School."

Ill concede the point, but to me it is irrelevant. As I said, my vision is not so keen as to see an appreciable difference; to others, the difference may be profound. It's sort of like the Mods vs the Rockers or the goths vs. the psi-vamps -- two groups arguing over differences that make no difference.

The basic fact is that both the Libertarians and the Friedmanites believe that big corporations are "the people." When they are NOT. From this root error, nothing good can follow.

To a true believer such as fluffy, no amount of proof will ever suffice. Naomi haws proven her case beyond all rational debate, and not just as regards the Pinchet/Friedman connection. Which means that Fluffy and her ilk simply are not rational. EVERY SINGLE TIME unfettered laissez faire has been tried, it has brought misery to the great masses of mankind, not least in a massive experiment known as the 19th century. The doctor metaphor work perfectly: The doctor keeps applying the same leech cure because he is convinced that it SHOULD work. Such is the triumph of ideology over experience.

You cannot argue with the fact that the mixed economies of Western Europe have brought greater human happiness -- and greater class mobility -- than we find in any national economy infected with the virus of Libertarianism. That is what works.

But you will never blame Bush for taking advice from the Cato institute -- to you, the problem will always be that he did not follow ALL of their advice. Just throw on more leeches. Never admit failure. Never admit the possibility of failure. MORE LEECHES!

anon, your comments about Clinton are bizarre. Any further discussion of that absurd meme -- even by site regulars -- will be excised immediately. Thou'rt warned, friends.

"With every pothole that I crash through and every creaky bridge that I survive, I think towards the time when President Paul's sound domestic/foreign policies have Americans working to repair USA infrastructure instead of destroying and then rebuilding the rest of the world."

Government projects like that are NOT Libertarian. What you are looking for is a Roosevelt, not a Paul. But your anti-Dem bias is so severe that you will never allow yourself to vote for someone who does not mouth the Root Error: "Corporations are The People."

When will you get it through your damn thick skull? Corporations are beasts, perhaps necessary beasts, but they NEED A LEASH OR THEY WILL DEVOUR YOU.

The roads are terrific in Germany and Sweden, my friend. Why not do as the Euros do instead of doing as Paul advises? Stick to what has been proven to WORK, not to a theory that has FAILED every time it has been tried. Did you know that our economy depends in part in money borrowed from the Europeans?

Anonymous said...

I love it. Joseph uses a quasi-SIPBATS argument to stereotype all libertarian philosophy into a neat little box. How quaint. By the way, don't wiki "Libertarian" because it is apparently different than Libertarianism. Scary.

No, I'm not a Paulie, but then he isn't Libertarian, otherwise he'd run as a Libertarian Party candidate. Right? I mean with all of that grass roots support for his campaign, it wouldn't matter if he was running as Volshep from the Crab Nebula.

Hillary Clinton will be your next President.

-sig Mentor

Joseph Cannon said...

I"m not saying all Liberwhatzitz are the same. You can take ANY philosophy or movement or group and discover all sorts of divisions. But to those who stand outside that movement or group, how important are those divisions? I mean, the differences between the Bloods and Crips are very significant -- IF you are a a member of those gangs. But if you live in Siberia, the distinction matters less.

Anonymous said...

A movement that bases its entire identity on a single personality (or in this specific case, a persona) is bound to look weird and unhinged, and will always drown itself in self-inflicted contradictions. This is a banal and easily controlled form of rebellion, inherently impotent and a highly lucrative shell game. Tony Robbins populism at best.

Has the Virgin Mary brought justice and equality to developing nations? :-)

Anonymous said...

The Ron Paul thing is one of the strangest political happenings I've seen in my (relatively) young life. He makes Perot look sane.

Just for giggles, here's the wiki page on his 2008 campaign (I think; doing online searches about Ron Paul is something of an adventure tour):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_presidential_campaign,_2008

Perhaps some of Cannonfire's readers can find the source of Paul's brainwashed (not to mention desperate) followers similar dysfunction somewhere in there. I just don't have the stomach to examine this question any further.

Anonymous said...

Maybe "Paul libertarians" hate Milton Friedman (disagree with is a better phrase) but Ron Paul was fond of him: "I was proud to know Dr. Friedman for many decades, and considered him a friend." Full text here.

Anonymous said...

Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party presidential nominee in '88. I think it's safe to consider him a Libertarian, even though he maintained his GOP party registration even in '88.

As to Paul's future in this race, I'd guess the PTB would have more interest in using him for a third party bid, to divide and conquer the choice the electorate would otherwise make, than to have him removed from the scene.

...sofla

Anonymous said...

As revealed in 'The Confessions of an Economic Hit Man,' the threat of and actual use of military intervention backstops the 'soft imperialism' policy of US/world economic elites.

"Serious" politicians all must stand ready to support such military adventurism, or else they are not seriously considered as potential leaders. Potential leaders who have independent appeal apart from the PTB, and who are anti-war, are neutralized in one way or another.

However, this permanent war economy foisted onto the United States by the military industrial media complex is a recipe for bankrupting the country.

Accordingly, few if any policy matters are so important as demilitarizing US foreign policy. We simply do not need, cannot afford, and have no actual vital national security interest in having over 700 military bases worldwide in over 130 countries. That is not about national security, but enforcing an economic regime favored by the elites, but against the true national interest of this country.

Dr. Ron Paul agrees with this anti-imperialist critique as no other candidate dares to, and he has activated a morally based youth base that also holds this 'unrealistic,' indeed, revolutionary, position on foreign affairs.

Our national insanity, stoked as it has been by propaganda and shameless fearmongering, views this essential truth as itself insane. Yet it is the most important and far-reaching reform required for this country's return to the side of humanity's interests.

And this is why Kucinich's statement that he'd take a Ron Paul onto his ticket is more than rational. For it truly matters naught what ANY domestic position is taken, should a politician support this international hegemonic policy. That policy, continued, will destroy every domestic policy, and leave us subject to the violent opposition of the rest of the world.

...sofla