Normally, I would take a somewhat cautious attitude toward Messham's claims. However:
During the 1970s and 1980s almost 40 children’s homes in North Wales were the scene of horrific child abuse in which youngsters were raped and abused by the very people who were paid to look after them.
In the early 1990s, allegations of the abuse started to surface and in March 1994 Clwyd County Council commissioned an independent inquiry into claims of widespread abuse across North Wales.
Professor Jane Tunstill, who was on that inquiry panel told the BBC in 2000 that along with a ‘litany of abusive practices going on in the home on the part of the care staff’ there were rumours that people outside the care system were also involved in the abuse.
However, the inquiry’s report was never published and the copies were pulped to ensure that the local authority was able to maintain its insurance cover.
In the wake of this, and amid growing public pressure, in 1996 the-then secretary of state for Wales, William Hague, ordered an inquiry into allegations of hundreds of cases of child abuse in care homes in former county council areas of Clwyd and Gwynedd between 1974 and 1990.
The tribunal, led by Sir Ronald Waterhouse, heard evidence from more than 650 people who had been in care from 1974 and took almost three years to publish its report.
Counsel for the inquiry mentioned the existence of a shadowy figure of high public standing, but said that there was no substantial evidence to support the allegations.
An investigation by the Bureau’s Angus Stickler, a BBC reporter at the time of the report’s publication revealed allegations of a much wider circle of abuse than that uncovered by the inquiry.
He uncovered allegations of widespread physical and sexual abuse of children not just by care system staff, but that children were being lent to paedophiles from all walks of life including businessmen, police, and a senior public figure in a paedophile ring stretching beyond the borders of North Wales, to Chester, London, Brighton and beyond.
Messham told his story on the BBC program Newsnight. The name of the politician was censored because he is still alive and (the BBC claims) there is insufficient evidence against him.
Cannonfire has readers in the British Isles. Can anyone supply a name?
So far, the only person who has named a possible suspect (or two) is David Icke. Unfortunately, Icke has somewhat injured his credibility by acting like a total loon for more than two decades. However, you may want to check out this blog for clues. You may also want to check out this tabloid news story.
Update: Readers have informed me that a number of British bloggers have pointed to the same individual: Lord Alistair McAlpine, who was very close to Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister. In the hours before the Newsnight broadcast, several British sites confidently predicted that McAlpine would be named: See here and here and here. The last link goes to a page containing a comment about McAlpine which is of interest, even though the claims do seem over-the-top...
What do I make of all this? To be honest, I don't know what to make of it!
Great Britain is not my country. I don't know which "outside the mainstream" writers are of value and which are simply bonkers.
I do know that child abuse accusations tend to turn any season into silly season. Some of things I've seen during this morning's research rounds are simply absurd. For example, one 2010 post discussing then-current accusations against McAlpine went into bizarre convulsions of Alex Jonesian conspiranoia, culminating in this mathematical exercise:
I suspect that there are some hard, filthy truths at the back of this story. The tough part will be separating those truths from their coating of sensationalism.
Update: Readers have informed me that a number of British bloggers have pointed to the same individual: Lord Alistair McAlpine, who was very close to Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister. In the hours before the Newsnight broadcast, several British sites confidently predicted that McAlpine would be named: See here and here and here. The last link goes to a page containing a comment about McAlpine which is of interest, even though the claims do seem over-the-top...
This perverted, sick, twisted, SOB has been named time and time again in North Wales inquiries into child abuse, yet he still enjoys total freedom to abuse and kill young children (yes, that's right, kill children).Also see here:
His sordid past is so depraved it beggars belief. There is a video tape hidden at the moment which shows him with two other child sexual abusers, torturing and raping young boys. The film was made in Wales. A very well known investigative programme was loaned a copy in order that the story could be revealed and the children could finally get some justice and some peace. What a pity the company decided not to run the story, even though one of the women who watched it admitted to having to leave the room to be sick after only a couple of minutes.
There is a lot more to the abuse side of this case, but as I am still investigating this I cannot reveal anymore at this time. However, I would like to know what happened to almost 20 million pounds of Conservative Party funds which I understand are still in an offshore account controlled by him and former Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. I would also like to ask the former Prime Minister why she stood up for McAlpine when information was passed to her by the security services in relation to McAlpine, and it was only after a large amount of pressure was put on her that she removed him from his post before information leaked out.
It is generally accepted by the majority that Savile used child abuse as a tool, he was the best of friends with the Thatchers, spending many Christmases with them. He was a personal friend of many prime ministers. He was personally linked with royalty, knowing and supposedly advising Prince Philip, Prince Charles and Diana on all manner of things. His great friends included people who had been talked about for years regarding their deviant behaviour. I have written about them at length over the years. Ted Heath and Lord McAlpine stand out with their association with boys homes in Jersey, North Wales and Northern Ireland. No man from the back streets of Leeds can have these names in his address book without there being a sinister reason. A sinister link and I suggest we have found this link in control. The essence of all these people was and is control and if you can control people by realising their frailties, rewarding them for it and then controlling them, you have won the battle. There is obviously an ultimate power at work which most of us yet cannot understand but this power, this group of people are set on controlling the world. Savile was a lieutenant in this control structure.The Justice Denied blog, referenced above, tells the tale of a British investigator (and, it is claimed, former spy) named Andrea Davison who was forced to go "underground" after she tried to expose some of these scandals. This bit is worth reproducing:
Around this period Andrea also found time to work tirelessly to expose pedophiles in the the Police and in the Government such as Peter Morrison, Lord McAlpine the Tory Treasurer and Tory Derek Laud. Both were close friends of Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, a close friend of Jimmy Savile who recently was exposed as a pedophile. She started to work with the then shadow Home Secretary Tony Blair who tried to get the then Home Secretary Kenneth Clark to take action against the Police. But Clark who years later as Justice Secretary would make sure Andrea was prevented from having a fair trial refused to help and instead protected the paedophiles in his Government and in the Police.Also see this blog post from 1997. The post speaks of abuse accusations concerning the same North Wales Childrens' Home. Although the names of the accused have been redacted, the descriptions offer some rather clear indications.
Andrea and journalist Pete Sawyer continued the exposure through Scallywag magazine who’s co founder Angus Wilson, and editor of its success Spiked, died mysteriously in Cyprus in 1994. Scallywag also exposed that MI5 took foreign diplomats and important people to the North Wales homes and secretly filmed them abusing and torturing boys to use the tapes for blackmail. This is a classic Intelligence modus operandi with regard to child abuse by the famous and influential – especially politicians that they want to control.. This all linked covert arms deals and child abuse.
In Interviews victims named a number of police officers including DC Stephen Winnard of Derby Fraud squad who later arrested Andrea in 2010, and senior figures and celebrities including Jimmy Saville, Lord McAlpine, Derek Laud and Peter Morrison. Victims claimed Jimmy Savile came to the collect them in his Rolls Royce. These interviews and other evidence were kept by Andrea. Jimmy Savile routinely used his paedophile connections in the police to silence his victms and critics.
What do I make of all this? To be honest, I don't know what to make of it!
Great Britain is not my country. I don't know which "outside the mainstream" writers are of value and which are simply bonkers.
I do know that child abuse accusations tend to turn any season into silly season. Some of things I've seen during this morning's research rounds are simply absurd. For example, one 2010 post discussing then-current accusations against McAlpine went into bizarre convulsions of Alex Jonesian conspiranoia, culminating in this mathematical exercise:
"Simply this = Police=masons, masons=Catholic Church."By that logic, "Police = Catholic Church," which means that you can ask for a communion wafer from your local London bobby. Well, I doubt that he'll give you one -- although he may be willing to take your confession.
I suspect that there are some hard, filthy truths at the back of this story. The tough part will be separating those truths from their coating of sensationalism.
16 comments:
Could be literally anyone. George Robertson, who was secretary general of NATO, was rumoured to be a paedophile, plausibly. Thatcher, according to that tabloid story, scuppered the investigation and had Jimmy Saville as her personal guest for several consecutive Christmases at Chequers. In the 80s MI5 were using the Kincora Boys Home to run sexual compromisation operations in Northern Ireland, MI6 were alleged to be involved in the paedophile rings at Bryn Alyn in North Wales, revealed at the time by the independent rag Scallywag, Islington had a paedophile ring in its social services department, a department headed by the later Minister for Children, Margeret Hodge, at a time when Tony Blair was living in Islington and a number of the childcare workers in Islington were from the Channel Islands, where Senator Stuart Syvret was wrongfully arrested due to his investigations into corruption, paedophile rings and a serial killer. The 80s, man, it weren't just Omaha.
The tabloid you link to claims Tom Watson, of quizzing Rupert Murdoch fame, has evidence of more paedo rings and, more ominous yet, that Belgians were involved. Obviously, Belgians means the conspiracy around Marc Dutroux, the X-dossiers, the Brabant massacres (the first of which killed a business couple who claimed to have a video of child orgies) and of course the Pinon affair.
You know what? I've just got this feeling it might be Eric Pickles.
http://pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/
Labour can't have not been involved, not in Wales.
http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/no-senior-tory-figure-named-on-newsnight.html
I am from North Wales and it is well known the name is Lord McAlpine Tory Party Treasurer who is immune from prosecution.
The victims also named 19 Senior Police Officers and 10 judges. The Police have ruthlessly persued anyone who would expose the abuse so it went on for decades. I pray this time bloggers, the Press and the Media will keep on exposing the activites of this Paedophile ring which is protected by the Courts and the Police.
Well, I'm just glad that nobody has mentioned Nigel Lawson. I still have absurd dreams of dating his daughter.
The potential Belgian connection is of particular interest. (Of course, so far there is no real evidence that Belgians have any involvement.) One of these days, I may publish a piece explaining why I think there is a connection between the Dutroux scandal and J.K. Huysmans old "devil" book, La-Bas."
The secret word is "yellow"...
Nigella is a bit out of our league. Chubby but loaded. Saatchi is not without a couple of coins to rub together.
I have seen a name mentioned with regard to the Saville debacle already. It seems the report I have seen was not as coy as some of your references.
I wont bother mentioning the name again. It will come out soon enough.
For me this whole thing is the Saville affair. Its all about Saville, even if we finally discover there was a paedophile ring at the very top of the british society. The vice of the powerful. Its about Saville because its about the fact that power can do anything - can hide any crime, no matter how blatant or obvious.
For years, I would have argued that Jimmy Saville looked like a paedophile but I couldnt have told you why or even what that phrase means. Now I understand what I saw but couldnt explain at the time. He dressed way younger than his years. He dressed like a teenager into his 80's. I think now that he did this because he thought of teenagers as his sexual constitency. That they wouldnt see how old and creepy he was but would just see his fame and clothes.
The whole thing has me disgusted but optimistic. I am hoping that a whole bunch of sleezeballs get exposed. With any luck the british press will start doing their real job.
One other thing. I suspect that this is part of a long running war between new Labour and their allies at the BBC, and the Conservatives and their allies at News International. I think the Conservatives released the Saville info to embarass the BBC. They didnt expect the story to lead where it did. Pure speculation but you can see why I suspect it.
Harry
The number one source for allegations of pedophilic crimes committed by the British ruling class is Greg Hallett, not David Icke.
greghallett.com
But just as is the case with the the "experts" on Satanic Ritual Abuse and MK-Ultra Mind Control, the actual truth of the situation (who's really guilty, because such abominations do occur) becomes nigh-impossible to determine -- when the abundance of ghastly allegations accumulates into a cloud so dense it serves as a concealing fog.
Harry, Nigella is "chubby" in places I like. Best of all, she and I are of the same generation. Y'see, I prefer to keep my perverted fantasies age-appropriate...
...unlike some British lords and entertainers I could name...
What about Leon Britton, removed from government when investigation to paedophile ring came dangerously close to him, think exposure was by the Guardian, also Ted Heath
This the Same Andrea Davison, convicted on 25th July 2012 at Mold Crown Court by a Jury of 12 on 26 of 27 charges of fraud, theft money laundering for running a fake Document Factory, in her police file signed affidavit statements read out to the Court she admitted to most of the accusations where the forged Documents were used by a massive criminal network STILL RUNNING in the UK in International £Billion organised crime linked to funding 2 POLITICAL PARTIES.
The CONSERVATIVES and LABOUR vis HUNDREDS of "Russian Doll" Chinese Boxes" Shell Companies that are all traced to 12 common director interlocked FINCHLEY ROAD. LONDON Jewish Director accountant Addresses
ANDREA DAVISON also in 2008 a BNP member using the name ANDREA DAVIS
and in 2009 the "Anchor" for the Lib Dem Web blog: ACT
Ms ANDREA DAVISON since the early 1980's also a "Honey Trap" Blackmail expert who ran with her GERMAN Partners including PETER RAUSCHER the front
CLUB ODESSA in Bangor North Wales bringing in Russian Prostitutes (Men & Women) to trap and blackmail Businessmen, VIP's, Police and POLITICIANS.
Ms TARA ANDREA DAVISON fronted her
Virtual Office, Mail Drop Box, Off Shore Company Registrations and Banking Services through:
AFBIO
Which is Registered in VANCOUVER CANADA in a suite address where multitudes of Fake Fraud Oil & Gas and mining Companies are registered and where Ms Davison was cold call selling their worthless shares, stocks and forged Certificates.
Anon, I wish you were not anonymous. And I wish your intriguing commentary was a bit more coherent.
I don't know whether your points are meant to attack or to buttress Davison's claims to have been a spook. Perhaps you can speak to that issue -- slowly, cautiously, and using complete sentences.
At any rate, from what little I know of her, I would regard her claims warily. Yet she certainly seems to be an interesting person.
Strange that our legal profession,so conscientious when attacking banks,etc have been so reluctant to pursue any of these ? It appears we need another Oliver Cromwell to root out Westminster (pardon the pun).
The story is a crock as should be obvious to all by now. Messham's claims have been heard dozens of times over many years, and each time they became more fantastic and more confused.
So much disinformation and so many people afraid of exposure.
We need to stick with those who have exposed the paedophile ring like Geoffrey Dickens and in this article below Ken Livingston.
Messham damaged by his experiences has been silenced and we may never know why he said it was Lord A McAlpine.
Also before I go I have to tell you Andrea Davison is a heroine in North wales.
M15 and Police Conspire to more than just Protect ... http://google-law.blogspot.com/2013/02/m15-and-police-conspire-to-more-than.html?spref=tw
Andrea Davison a heroine my backside. You should stop reading fiction, she is good at fabricating it, She's been ORDERED to. Having screwed up when she panicked in June 2010 following the Police Raids on her properties on 13/1/2010. when she published all her Documents and POLITICIANS Letters in June on the Internet to throw the scent of the REAL SCANDAL, the International Organised Crime network she works for, controlled and headed by Senior LABOUR Politicians and POLITICALLY FUNDING their and Senior Conservative Party Grandees.
The Facts are:
When she arrived in Bangor in the early 1980's with her mother (Father, Raymond died earlier) she first got involved with the Flower Power Druid Clans, then got arrested for growing Dope, classed as rather unstable, she existed off benefits. She thought herself cleaver and also tried many attempts to blackmail and destroy many local residents, Farmers and a Hotel owner.
In 1989 she got involved with PETE SAWYER (Investigative Journalist) a scum-bucket who worked with REBEKAH BROOKS and the MURDOCHS. They, and KEVIN JAMES CAHILL (Advisor to Recent Bad Boy, LORD ARTIGARVAN, Past Advisor to PADDY ASHDOWN and ex PM GORDON BROWN and Andrea Davison's ONLY witness at her Criminal in absence Trial 4/7/2012 to 25/7/2012) found a use for ANDREA "TARA" using her at a Honey Trap Blackmail club in Bangor, CLUB ODESSA with JULES LEY getting blackmail material on Politicians, Senior / Junior Police, VIP's etc.
One of the recorded visitors to her home when her mother was still alive, witness recorded was, Conservative MP and ARMS Smuggler, JONATHAN AITKEN (BMARC who was a co director with SIR MARK THATCHER, BMARC was incorporated into, ASTRA HOLDINGS- which was a front for the Conservative Grandees to smuggle WMD's & ARMS to Both IRAQ and IRAN)
In 2002 she was set up to run a major money laundering front from VANCOUVER Canada out of a suite address
207-1425 Marine Drive. West Vancouver. BC. V7T 1B9
Registered under
EXECUTIVE BUSINESS SERVICES
Domain name. afbio.net
Registrant. A DAVISON
ARU
32 BANGOR STREET
PORT DINORWIC. GWYNEDD LL56 4JD
email dept3@hushmail.com
The conduit laundering route for £billions into and through LONDON in the UK was into 14 interconnected FINCHLEY ROAD .LONDON Addresses. Among them:
788-790 FINCHLEY RD
923 FINCHLEY RD
665 FINCHLEY RD
These massive Boiler Rooms ARE Operational and controlled by 9 Major Jewish Directors.
ANDREA DAVISON, Heroine, in your dreams, she's just a lower end con artist, fraudster and Document Forger, working for a bunch of SENIOR POLITICAL thieving smart ar-e Scum buckets.
I mean, your all the "Rocket Scientists,"
How much have they been stealing, even from US and UK Military Budgets, BANKS, PENSION FUNDS, Government NHS Funds, money laundering £billions for people like
SILVIO BERLUSCONI and the MAFIA using MP TESSA JOWELLS husband
DAVID MACKENZIE DONALD MILLS
It's hidden here
try using your little digit and click your mouse via GOOGLE and do a bit of reading on: WHY ?
Ms ANDREA DAVISON would register her AFBIO Corporations in a Suite Address in VANCOUVER CANADA
CYPRUS and GIBRALTAR
Look up the CONNECTIONS TO:
RED STAR ENTERPRISES LIMITED
1 Dundas st W Suite 2500 Toronto Canada
RED STAR ENTERPRISES LIMITED
Gibro House. 4 Gibraltar
RED STAR ENTERPRISES LIMITED
788 -790 FINCHLEY RD. LONDON NW11
MINA LTD
The MANA'S US/NATO AIR BASE Phantom fuel deliveries
US Defence budget and SENATE Inquiry into 2 British LONDON Companies
Then
"ITALIAN MAFIA MONEY LAUNDERING IN BATTERSEA LONDON SW11"
Then you might understand WHY? Ms
Heroine Criminal on the Run, ANDREA DAVISON wants to throw Curveballs & "Smoke n Mirrors" about Paedophiles and ARMS to IRAQ
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