Thursday, November 26, 2009
Say thanks
Go here and send a cheerful note to someone serving overseas. True, I don't think our military personnel should remain in Afghanistan, and they never should have entered Iraq. But we can't blame them for bad policy. I blame Bush, Cheney and the neocons. To an increasing degree, I also blame Obama. If only our politicians were as fine as our soldiers...
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Happy Thanksgiving, Joseph. Here's hoping you're feeling as blessed as you are.
That's a nice pointer. Broken Soldier posted a scathing article about 'Support the Troops' being a lie. Nor do spouses suffering marital problems from vets assaulted with head trauma, vaccine reaction, DU poisoning, native hazards of the desert that the doctors don't even know about, and so on have an easy time.
You were nice. I was nasty : to the hypocrites abandoning the faithful.
http://opitslinkfest.blogspot.com/2009/11/25-nov-basic-necessities-shelter.html
We can't blame them for bad policy, true. But can we not blame them for enlisting in military service while the bad policy was apparent? Signing up to serve a bad policy? I can understand when someone's already enlisted before the bad policy begins in earnest, but even if some poor bastard enlists out of economic despair, at this point they know what they're getting into.
As crass as it seems, I personally do not give a shit about the troops or what happens to them in Iraq or Afghanistan. They're there for reasons of imperial policy and using evil means for evil ends. Should I support them out of pity for their moral stupidity in serving such an agenda? If so, what of the teabaggers? If pity is extended for the economic duress that makes military service seem like a good option, how about telemarketers - do they deserve our support too?
If the politicians were as fine as our soldiers, they wouldn't - couldn't - be politicians.
Sadly, soldiers who become politicians become... politicians.
Horseface said... "But can we not blame them for enlisting in military service while the bad policy was apparent?"
Uhm...no, we can however blame Obama and his ever faithful supporters for being lying sacks of shit.
Just last night at thanksgiving dinner, an Obamma supporter cut's into a conversation I'm having with somebody about 35,000 more US Soldiers going off to fight for the UniCal pipeline. The guy's a draft dodger known to me [70 vintage] and says that the country voted for Obama because they wanted to hold Iraq and expand the Af-Pak war and that therefore his expansion of war is the right thing to do because his supporters wanted an exspanded war.
He is a BIG OBAMA SUPPORTER, who thinks of himself as liberal, but he is like a lot of others likes war [so long as he doesn't have to put on a uniform]. I unsuccessfully tried to point Obama won the primaries by portraying himself as the "peace candidate" and Hillary as the war candidate. No he said, Obama was perfectly clear, that he wanted to expand our wars in Asia. He went on, thinking my unwillingnes to confront his lies as weakness, but when he said he "wanted to beat the shit out of me...and people like me who challenge the best president the US has ever had" I looked him straight in the eye and said "that you can not do...if I have to get up, I'm not going to stop." He did go away, which was lucky, I did not put on the US Army uniform to have some little fat assed draft dodgering Obama supporter tell me shit about war or service. Where do these arrogant little twits come from? The guy I was talking to voted for Obama in the hopes our imperial war could be wound down, but it was clear he has never been so desperate that he "loved" a candidate.
Horse Face, my point here is, the US media went along for the Obama bullshit ride as did the leaders of the Democratic party and people who call themselves liberal, at every opportunity all responsible parties lied. We have now have had two presidents who are identical on policy, but opposite on rhetoric. Obama has lied more than ANY president I can remember and yet the press and his faithful followers have supported him on each and every one of his lies.
And now Horseface you think an enlisted soldier...alone...should be able to see through a thicket of duplicity....and arrive at your world view?
Horse shit, Horseface.
"you think an enlisted soldier...alone...should be able to see through a thicket of duplicity....and arrive at your world view?"
Yes - they should be able to see through the duplicity. It was pretty clear back in spring 2003. Whether or not they arrive at my world-view, I don't care, but don't expect me to mourn them if they don't share my view and run off to Iraq and get blown up.
And I don't see what Obama's lies necessarily have to do with any of it. What of the soldier who enlisted in 2006 under Bush and gets killed today? What does that have to do with Obama and the 2008 campaign?
Why support troops when they're the willing agents of bad policy, enabling said bad policy to continue?
Horseface said "...And I don't see what Obama's lies necessarily have to do with any of it."
Well Horseface, enlistments were dropping under bush and increasing under Obama, so the only difference is Obama, claimed the peacenik label and Bush never did, thus Obama's are the very difference. Unless you want to claim that Obama making things worse in other area is responsible [in which case you may have a valid argument]. Perhaps Obama does want to increase the misery index so he can get men to fight his imperial wars in Asia, his denial of healthcare and his tax cuts to the rich would be good indicators of this.
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