Even USA Today has the story:
A former U.S. general said graphic images of rape and torture are among the photos of Iraqi prisoner abuse that President Obama's administration does not want released.I'll give you one good reason not to censor: Cover-up equals complicity. What should have been George Bush's crime now bears the signature of both Bush and Obama.
Retired Major Gen. Antonio Taguba, who oversaw the U.S. investigation into the abuses at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, was quoted as telling Britain's Daily Telegraph in an article Wednesday that he agreed with Obama's decision not to release the pictures.
From CBS News:
He [Obama] discouraged formation of an independent commission to investigate the torture and reversed a previous position in favor of releasing Pentagon photos of abuses and instead opposed release. In his May 21 speech at the National Archives, he seemed to try to create a framework for understanding his policies, but they remained very much a work in progress. He surprisingly embraced a number of Bush policies, including military commissions for trying detainees, the use of the State Secrets privilege to protect information in court and the indefinite use of preventive detention--all to be revised in ways that were left vague or unspecified. Yet among these reversals and improvisations, one very general preference has remained steady. Throughout, Obama has expressed a desire to concentrate on the "future" rather than the "past."This reminds me of a running gag on The Simpsons: Every time Homer says "Let's not play the blame game," you know damn well that the fault was 100 percent his. If you commit hit-and-run manslaughter, I do not suggest telling the victim's family: "Let's not dwell on the past. We should concentrate on the future!"
The view from Cheetoland is both ghastly and grimly amusing:
What Matters Isn't the Photos, It's the Torture.Why? Because Dear Leader is always right. And Dear Leader has decided to censor the photos.
Of course, if Barack Obama were a Republican, you can bet your ass that the Kossacks would scream like a loose alternator belt until the photographic evidence was released.
Be that as it may, for those who want justice done in the case of torture - that being defined as penalizing the people who carried out torture but, more importantly, who ordered torture - the photo discussion is an unfortunate distraction.Bullshit.
Consider: What if the world saw no film footage of the concentration camps? What if we had no images of bulldozers piling up emaciated bodies? Without those damning visuals, post-war Nazi apologists would have had a much easier time of it. The search for Josef Mengele would have lasted perhaps five years. Around 1950, Mengele would have gone home, received a wrist-slap from a German court, and opened up a practice in Munich. By the 1960s, he'd have become a frequent, avuncular presence on German television: Good old Doktor Josef.
Would anyone have paid attention to the Rodney King beating without the video? How many previous examples of police brutality in Los Angeles went unpunished because no film footage backed the eyewitness testimony?
We need the images. Visual evidence impacts the conscience in ways that words do not.
The Kossack says he wants to "justice" done. He's lying. If he wants justice, he would demand the release of the photographic evidence. That evidence will create a firestorm of outrage which will be quelled only when someone on the level of a Cheney or a Runsfeld faces trial. No visual evidence = no outrage = no trials = no justice.
Remember, Obama has discouraged any further formal inquiry into the torture. Obama wants to see justice done about as much as you want to bite off your own toes.
14 comments:
Well put.
Okay you convinced me. I was among those that didn't think posting the pictures was necessary. Your analogy using the death camps images and Rodney King changed my mind. I hadn't thought of it in that way.
Kudos to you for connecting the dots for some of us dimmer bulbs.
Obama also stated that the perpetrators of these crimes have been brought to justice and are being penalized. I have seen no evidence of this whatsoever. I don't think we've heard of anyone other than Lindsey England (Name?)that has actually been charged with a crime. Its a cover-up, Obama is in charge. who is pulling his strings?
Bill Clinton made the mistake of allowing Iran-Contra to go away, despite pleas from some in the Democratic party.
The end result was some of those same bad actors back in control eight years later.
When Nancy Pelosi said impeachment was off the table I thought it was more CYA than moving forward.
With Obama it's more of wanting the power of a unitary executive, what ever that means, than getting on.
Don't worry.
I'm sure the Jeb Bush Administration will prosecute members of the Obama Administration to the full extent of the law.
Is the answer "transparency?"
Did I win a prize?
And our Democratic Party controlled Congress is doing exactly what about this?
Bill Clinton engages in some consensual hanky-panky and a Congress spends a gazillion dollars on an independent council to raise all kinds of hell (just as Bill and other top-level people working on very serious proposals to reform the world financial system--no coincidence).
Now the Dems in Congress (with apologies to the very few who are not moral cowards) and this worse than worthless president who loves himself in the limelight soooo much ignore war crimes and treaty violations and the virtual shredding of the Constitution.
None of which is any sort of problem at all to the transnational financial and other globalist cartels--quite the contrary. The Constitution is/was their worst nightmare.
So what's worse, a dumb, brainwashed obot or a corrupt politician who has consciously chosen to violate his/her oath of office? Battered mis-raised animals or packs of clever vicious hyenas with facelifts and expensive hairdos moving from government jobs to foundations and mega corporations and back again?
Obama censors the photos because he is a prissy-ass wimp who can't begin to deal with the reality they reflect.
MrMike -
I've already refuted this claim (and on this site), but ok, again:
There were investigations into Iran-Contra in the 80s (one by the Dems).The result? The 1987 Tower Commission report said Reagan had no knowledge; Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh said he couldn't be prosecuted because he was not mentally competent to stand trial.
North and Poindexter got off because an appeals judge ruled that the use of immunized testimony required vacating their convictions. In the two years that followed (1990-1992), Walsh decided not to re-try them.
In December 1992, Walsh said he had evidence showing GHW Bush had a deeper involvement than previously disclosed, but he still didn't re-try North and Poindexter, supoena GHW Bush's personal diaries (somehow it took him 5 years to find out they had been withheld from investigators), or even interview the man himself (in fact, Walsh made an agreement with GHW Bush not to do so before the election).
The 1987 Senate Iran-Contra panel - led by Lee Hamilton(D) - issued the report that essentially let GHW Bush off the hook, and in January 1993, as President, GHW Bush pardoned Weinberger, Abrams and four others. Robert Parry (who broke many of the Iran-Contra stories) says Walsh received no support from Bill Clinton and the Dems into a continuing investigation, but even he states flatly that the pardon of Weinberger by itself blocked any possible future incrimination of GHW Bush. i.e. there is nothing more that could reasonably have been done.
Sergei Rostov
Since I've been convicted here of being an Obot or Otard or whatever the cool kids call it these days [albeit without evidence or my day in court *ahem*] this will probably not sit well with you, but here goes anyway.....
Let us say that Obama releases ALL the films and photos in ALL their grisly, gory detail. And let us hypothesize that this results in increased violence toward US troops stationed abroad, or - heaven forfend - further actions against citizens on your own soil.
In this scenario, you will have achieved the sought-after transparency, but at the cost of blood on YOUR hands. Would this make you feel better? Is that a tradeoff you're prepared to make? If so, what does this say about YOU?
By the way, I think Obama is a massive pussy for not proceeding with all possible dispatch in the filing of criminal charges against any and all Bush admin figures responsible for torture, etc., so please do not assume I am an apologist for his inaction. It is one of several things for which I think he should be roundly criticized.
Criminal charges against Gonzales, Yoo, Feith, et al, would redress the judicial imbalance that has been at play for too long. But, the release of incendiary images that can only further inflame your enemies, and put your own soldiers and citizens at greater risk, is no substitute for what should be done.
I remember seeing those concentration camp pictures when I was a young boy. I could never forget them. I don't know how the deniers manage to.
Unlike his father, neither GW Bush nor the principal actors have been cleared by any panel, judge, or Special Prosecutor. Also (again, unlike his father), he's failed to take steps to immunize himself and said actors (Cheney, et al) from prosecution. This is the best chance since (I would say) the abominable Warren Commission to show the country and the world what the Dems are made of, and Obama is blowing it.
Sergei Rostov
Kenoshamarge said "Your analogy using the death camps images and Rodney King..."
I agree with Marge. You have illustrated the issue perfectly. But, hey, it's what you do... you're an illustrator. An image can say a million words and convey powerful messages (truths).
When the Mi Lai massacre story and photos came out, the general public started turning against the war. Lesson learned: Don't let the photos out, lest the public become disgusted and outraged and start agitating for an end to it.
We don't see photos today on teevee (only some on the 'net) as we did during Viet Nam. Lesson learned.
I know I'm not eager to see them, but I didn't realize the importance of them being shown until your analogy convinced me, like kenoshamarge, that they should be.
juststoppingby
CJFKG -
Let us say that Obama releases ALL the films and photos in ALL their grisly, gory detail. And let us hypothesize that this results in increased violence toward US troops stationed abroad, or - heaven forfend - further actions against citizens on your own soil.
Someone refuted this in comments here a few weeks ago with this elegant argument: the Iraqis (the whole Arab world really) already know everything that happened since they either saw it themselves or heard it from someone who either saw it or had the information passed on to them.
(And really, by now, it's almost certain that in the process of being passed on, the stories have been greatly exaggerated for the worse).
Most of the American people, however, think that all that went on was mostly a few "frat boy hijinks." "They piled them in a naked pyramid" just became fodder for stand-up comics, no big deal. It's the American people who need to know, to be convinced of, the full extent and scope of what really went on there in order to create enough outrage to make a real investigation happen.
Seriously, could anyone seeing (and hearing) what Hersh described - young boys, screaming as they were raped - do other than demand an investigation? And see thousands and thousands of things just as bad, going on for years in many places, and still think it was "a few bad apples"?
And I would further argue that the prospect of violence in the wake of the photos' release is a reason TO release them... as long as it is followed by a real investigation. It would send the message: "Yes, this happened, but we as a people won't stand for it, and those responsible will be brought to justice."
Say that, mean it, do it, make it clear who did it and why, take real steps to make sure it never happens again, do this all publicly and forcefully, and you won't have to worry about resulting violence: one thing the Arab world respects is strong action for justice in the face of criminal acts.
Which leads me to conclude, sadly, that the reason Obama isn't releasing the material is that he does not intend to ever do this.
Sergei Rostov
Sibel Edmonds, on her new blog, makes an articulate and moving case for the release of the photos (though not the main focus of her post).
http://www.123realchange.blogspot.com/
Specifically,
http://123realchange.blogspot.com/2009/05/two-sides-of-same-coin-heads-heads.html
Search on the page, "Maybe releasing the photographs" if you are in a hurry, and read a bit before and after it.
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