There have been numerous questions raised about Obama’s background with no satisfactory answers. The questions that I have addressed include, but are not limited to:Seems to me that the only item here with any genuine foundation is point 5, and that is a matter for the Illinois Bar Association, a group which Philip J. Berg does not represent. (Or so I presume.) Points 1 and 2 are answered by the dreaded COLB -- sorry, folks, but it's real -- while points 3 and 4 are not relevant to any Constitutional questions. (By the way, has anyone ever presented any evidence for the "born in Canada" rumor?)
1. Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada; or ?
2. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
3. What was the early childhood of Obama in Hawaii; in Kenya; in Indonesia when he was adopted; and later, back to Hawaii?
4. An explanation as to the various names utilized by Obama that include: Barack Hussein Obama; Barry Soetoro; Barry Obama; Barack Dunham; and Barry Dunham.
5. Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.
If Obama can prove U.S. citizenship, we still have the issue of muti-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegance to other countries.Can -- should -- a person who has ever held dual citizenship become president? In my opinion, the question is genuinely intriguing. But I doubt that Berg's suit will resolve the matter.
Although Philip Berg was once a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, his history does not fill me with trust, due to his involvement with the misnamed 9/11 "truth" movement. In 2004, he sued President Bush on behalf of 9/11 survivor William Rodriguez. Although the Affidavit begins by asking worthwhile questions concerning advance warning, it soon lapses into "controlled demolition" nonsense.
Berg later circulated a letter imploring "world leaders" to arrest President Bush...
Now, it is time for world leaders to take the lesson learned from Iraq and issue a warrant for the arrest of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney; arrest them; take them to a neutral country; try them for the murder of over 2,800 people from more than 80 countries on 9/11/01 and, when found guilty, sentence them appropriately.Of course, any such arrest, or attempt to arrest, would be considered an act of war -- and would once more make George Bush a sympathetic and popular figure in this country.
That's your problem, Phil: You don't think these things through. Fortunately, no world leader is going to risk war with the United States of America based on the recommendation of Philip J. Berg of Pennsylvania.
Let us now pause to note the similarities between the 9/11 CD-ers and the current day "cult of the COLB."
As any reader of Daniel Hopsicker knows -- as any viewer of 9/11: Press for Truth knows -- many genuine questions still surround the events of September 11, 2001. All of those questions were swept out of the public mind when endless, unwarranted publicity was given to the pseudoscientific "controlled demolition" theories embraced by Phil Berg, Jim Fetzer, Jim Marrs, David Icke and their kin.
(By the way, don't bother sending in any defenses of that CD nonsense. I've heard 'em all, and have knocked most of 'em down in older posts -- yes, even all that stuff you're just dying to tell me about Building 7. Newcomers may not know that an obnoxious horde of "trannies" once threatened to take over this blog. I learned to treat the kook legions mercilessly. Once one of 'em gets a foot in the door, they invade the house like Alex and his Droogs.)
Just as the CDers have undercut all genuine attempts to re-investigate 9/11, the COLB culties have proven themselves more hindrance than help to the PUMA movement. There are many good reasons to oppose Barack Obama: He's a serial liar, he aided and abetted an oily gang of Chicago thugs, he embraced a racist church, he ran a crooked campaign, he played the race card shamelessly, he has cultivated a nauseating Messianic cult, and his economic advisers have dangerously libertarian tendencies. The COLB controversy diverts attention from all of that. Once again, pseudoscientific horseshit threatens to overwhelm legitimate criticisms.
Just as the CDers proved, in the end, to be Bush's best friends, so too the COLB cultists are proving to be Obama's best friends. And in the center of both "friendship circles" we find Philip J. Berg, Attorney at Law.
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I had the exact same reaction to #5.
True, this is a matter for the Illinois State Bar. But another way to put it is, "this is a matter for the Illinois State Bar."
He could be disbarred for lying on that question. HE DID LIE. HE HAS BEEN KNOWN BY OTHER NAMES.
And nope, this is not nitpicking. All membership organizations have damn good reason to ask this question. All persons admitted in good faith to these associations MUST answer truthfully.
And I don't really understand why he didn't answer truthfully. Taking your stepfather's surname is hardly a crime. It says nothing about your character.
Lying about it does.
Hi Joseph,
Actually, #5 is baseless as well -- and Berg, as a member of the PA Bar, should know this.
As I explained to Judah Benjamin (on TexasDarlin, where, I think, this theory originated) – See http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/a-challenge-for-my-detractors/#comment-8389 and http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/a-challenge-for-my-detractors/#comment-8429 (before they blocked me from further comments …) ..........
The theory that Obama lied to the Supreme Court re: his name is, as I understand it, based on the screen shots of his record, showing no other names.
Assume, for argument’s sake, that Barack Obama had another legal name prior to becoming a lawyer. Would such other name be reflected on the website listing attorneys?
The short answer is no. (I’m familiar with this as I am an attorney in two other jurisdictions).
The “other name” field in that form relates to other names, *as a lawyer* — not any prior/childhood legal names. See http://www.iardc.org/reqfornamechange.html.
For example, if Alice Attorney gets married (or divorced) and changes her name to Alice Lawyer *after* she’s admitted into practice, then she must file a name change with the Illinois Supreme Court. Her prior name – i.e., the name under which she was admitted – will show up as a former name. (To see this, conduct a search for Michelle Obama – perfect example @ http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=632692397)
Let me clarify:
A. When you apply for the Illinois Bar, you are required to list all former legal names that you have held. Thus, if, for example, you legally changed your name any time between birth and the present, you are required to disclose that fact. I believe that you are also required to provide documentation (such as a court order) “proving” the legal name change. (I know that I was required to do this in other jurisdictions, by providing an “original” certified copy of my birth certificate showing original name, marriage license showing changed name, and court order re: name change upon dissolution of marriage.)
B. However, *assuming* that Barack (a) had a different legal name, and – to take it further, *assuming* that (b) he disclosed that legal name on his application for admission to the bar, that name would NOT show up on the Lawyer Register website.
The purpose of the Lawyer Register is for citizens to be able to search for lawyers and to see, e.g, if they’ve ever been subject to discipline by the Bar. Thus, if a person practiced under a different name, that other name must be disclosed. (Otherwise, a person who was disciplined could avoid “disclosure” simply by changing his/her name.) Thus, what shows up on the Lawyer Register website is other names that the attorney used during the practice of law.
In short, with respect to the issue of whether, assuming Barack had a different name at any point, the oft-cited Obama screenshots from the Illinois Lawyer Register provides no evidence whatsoever of whether Barack dislosed any such names on his Illionis Bar Application.
P.S. For copies of the complaint, motions, etc. as filed, see http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president
I have been curious about the name issue on the bar app. Michelle does list her unmarried (Robinson) name, but she received her law degree and practiced law under that name. This caused me to wonder if one's previous names were not listed if one did not practice law or receive a degree under those names?
Has anyone seen the actual application? I have only seen the website listing of Illinois licensed attornies.
Do we KNOW he lied, or did he list a childhood name and the bar/court officials decided it was not applicable and left it off?
Is a bar application publicly available? Will Obama make one available?
One more time.
The "Full Former name(s)" on the ARDC master roll of attorneys has absolutely nothing to do with an attorney's admittance to the Bar.
An attorney doesn't get listed on the ARDC master roll until after they've already been admitted to the bar.
The "Full Former name(s)" is only used if one's name has changed since having been admitted to the Bar and being placed on the ARDC's master roll of attorneys.
To wit:
A lawyer's name on the Clerk's roll of attorneys is the name under which the lawyer was admitted to the practice of law in Illinois...
This would be the only name on the form unless it was subsequently changed such as through marriage or divorce.
To continue:
...or, if any name changes have been allowed by the Court, the most recent such change.
Please note that it says specifically "the Court," and not generally "the courts."
Why?
Again, to continue:
In order to change your name on the ARDC master roll, you must file a motion with Clerk of the Supreme Court to change your name on the roll of attorneys.
"The Court" specifically refers to the Illinois Supreme Court, with which you have to file a motion in order to change your name on the ADRC master roll of attorneys.
For example, Michelle Obama is listed under "Full Licensed Name" as Michelle Obama. Under "Full Former name(s)" it says "Michelle Lavaughn Robinson," her maiden name.
That's because that's what her name was when she was admitted to the Bar in 1989. She didn't marry until 1992.
Again, the "Full Former name(s)" field in the ARDC master roll of attorneys has nothing to do with any names one may have been known by throughout their life. It's only the names one has used since having been accepted to the Bar.
Don't let yourself fall for another of TexasDarlin's misrepresentations.
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Joseph said: "interesting new info on the "Who-is-Techdude?"
All the more interesting now???
Ditto about #5.
Another argument I have heard is if the Obama campaign blocked out part of the COLB they claim is real, and that Hawaii did not authorize that change -- doesn't that constitute a crime about illegal tampering of the COLB?
As far as the Canadian citizen part. The argument I read about that (can't remember where, may have been from Andy Martin) it is more likely that Ann Dunham being an unwed mother during the 60's would have had Obama in Canada since Mercer island where she had lived was off the coasts of Washington and Canada, since her family had friends there and the family would want to keep the illegitimate birth unknown from Hawaiin society, given the social mores of the time this may make sense. But I admit this theory seems to reach a bit.
Personally, I think that dual citizenship is a problem for the POTUS eligibility. For I believe that there should only be one and an obvious national allegiance to one country -- the USA.
As far as the more than one name thing not being disclosed. I think the problem would occur if Obama had been practicing law in another state using one of his other names, or acting as an officer of the law under one of those other names (it's not hard to print up a business card). Unlike a woman, a man would have no other reason to have another name that he refers himself to, unless it was for illegal reasons. I'm aware that some will point out that a nick name or family name could qualify as another name, but those usually aren't provided as one's official legal name.
One interesting occurrence was a city councilman in Milwaukee, WI who went by the name "Michael McGee, Jr." but whose legal name is "Michael Jackson." when questioned by the police he would give his legal name "Michael Jackson" but not his other known name "Michael McGee, Jr." He's not an attorney that I'm aware of but his use of a double identity had been used to confuse the police when he was questioned during a crime. I'm not aware if he had listed both of his names on his forms for city councilman, but it seems like he didn't because Michael Jackson did not come up in the police database, even as a cross-reference to McGee.
I guess this leads to the question, could Barry commit a crime that Barack would get away with? Has Barack carried around identification that Barry would have?
Then there is the question of what is Berg's motivation, other than to get notoriety?
just my 2 cents
FembotsForObama
More pointedly, the alleged passport invasions concern me more than the COLB.
Why have we heard absolutely nothing more regarding such. Given statutes, I would think such would merit more investigation, follow-up, and more disclosure re said investigation which took place.
If possible, and you are willing Joseph, could you perhaps delve further into the state of that event?
Thanks.
Note to FembotsForObama:
Just a quick FYI. Mercer Island is actually located "off the coast" of Seattle, in Lake Washington.
I do hope that you will be writing about "interesting new info on the "Who-is-Techdude?".
You mentioned that you might publish this on the weekend.
Thanks.
Where is the PROOF that Obama was born in Hawaii? Everyone knows what a real birth certificate looks like!!! This computer copy called "certificate of live birth", which is a forgery, doesn't even have the hospital listed on it!! It's a fake!! Barry, where is your birth certificate? Has anyone even looked in Kenya for it? Where is his real birth certificate???? Hmmmm...what does it show, I wanna know!
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