Sunday, July 20, 2008

Identity crisis -- UPDATE: CASE CLOSED!

Controversy over Obama's birth certificate continues. A reader says that my earlier piece (which, frankly, should have settled the matter) has received a rebuttal. Can anyone provide a link? Is the rebuttal well-founded, or is it just blinkered gain-saying?

That said, I must now correct an earlier stance.

Previous posts averred that under American law, Barack Obama would be a natural born citizen even if the birth occurred overseas. That statement was based on SEC. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401], which you can find here.

(Yes, this is going to be one of those ghastly legal posts. I'll make it as painless as possible.)

The law states that a person is a citizen if he or she was born outside the U.S. even if only one parent was a citizen...
who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...
This was not the way the law read in 1961, when Our Savior had his glorious nativity. The 1961 law does indeed make his citizenship questionable -- if he were born outside U.S. borders. However, the current law says...
This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date...
Case closed? I had thought so.

But a reader has pointed out that I may have mis-read the law by gerrymandering it. That all-important proviso may apply not to this whole paragraph, but to an immediately preceding sentence, which I had originally left out because it seemed irrelevant.

Damn. There's no escaping it -- we simply must look at the whole thing.

Yes, I'm going to ask you to read legalese. On a bloody Sunday morning. A thousand apologies -- but what must be done, must be done. In order to make the text clearer, let's break it up into parts and present it in a more poetic vein...
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents

one of whom is an alien,

and the other a citizen of the United States

who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government

or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent,

or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act,

may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph.

This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
The question for today, my friends, comes down to this: Does the "This proviso" bit refer to all of section (g), or does it refer only to the irrelevant military service stuff that comes after "Provided"?

If the latter, and if Obi was born outside the U.S. -- then we really do have a potential problem.

Let me be clear: So far, I've seen no evidence -- none whatsoever -- that the glorious nativity occurred in any place but Hawaii.

TexasDarlin has suggested that Ann Dunham's strange trip to Mercer Island -- a mere three weeks after the glorious nativity -- may indicate that the Lightbringer was born in Canada. I can think of no possible reason why she would go to Canada or to any other country to give birth.

TD is on firmer ground when she discusses another anomaly:
The US Public Records Index via Ancestry.com, as well as other sources, say she was born Sept. 1971.
BUT, there are also several references, such as this Wikipedia report, that say Maya Soertoro was born on Aug. 15, 1970.
To buttress the August 15 claim, a TD commenter named Snoopy (isn't that cute?) cites a site called An American ExPat in Southeast Asia. That author has spent the last twenty years in Indonesia, and has done some good detective work in his attempt to track Our Savior's family during His Glorious Sojourn in that nation.

Interesting stuff, to be sure. Alas, I've seen no mention of the August 15, 1970 birth date anywhere on the ExPat's blog.

("Maya" means "illusion," incidentally. Just thought I'd mention that.)

UPDATE -- CASE CLOSED: A reader named citizen k has found a section of the law which settles the matter once and for all. Even if he had been born in another country, Barack Obama would still be a natural born citizen of the United States.

As you will recall, Michelle Obama recently confirmed that her husband was born out of wedlock. The following law therefore applies:
8 USC 1409(c), Children Born Out of Wedlock:

(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
And that's it and that's it and that's it.

21 comments:

OTE admin said...

I really wish these Clinton supporters would quit beating the dead horse about Obama's citizenship. The real issue is over the fact his parents weren't married, which leads to all kinds of interesting questions as to what his birth name really was, when he was adopted, if he was, and when he changed his name to "Barack Obama," if he wasn't born with that name.

Unknown said...

As a copy editor, I say "provided" modifies what precedes it.

lori said...

Back in the sixties, homes for unwed mothers were still quite the rage. She may very well have gone out of state to give birth as that was quite common - the better to prevent the neighbors from catching wind of what was going on. She waited a few weeks for her episiotomy to heal before traveling home. Traveling on a plane for several hours, with an aching bottom and a newborn infant, wouldn't be anyone's first choice. I also think the odds are very, very good that she intended to give the child up for adoption and then couldn't follow through. Mothers who were doing so went out of area to deliver because the stigma of having a child and surrendering it for adoption is every bit as great as having a child out of wedlock. Young mothers who gave their children away frequently endured tremendous abuse from the locals about how they didn't love their child. Ugly stuff. She'd want to avoid that.

I saw your post on the embossing and I think you're right about all that. But I still can't figure out what they are doing. Why wouldn't a healthy campaign simply post both sides of the document? If the embossment is as light as that one is, why not simply order a new copy? Obama could have a fresh, brand new copy, with a thoroughly visible embossment by mail in under two weeks and put this entire lingering controversy to rest. It's puzzling to me that they do not want to put it to rest. Is the refusal to do so simply hubris? Or, assuming that the birth certificate is genuine, is it a means to discredit his critics? If the latter is the case, it indicates, once again, an unhealthy campaign waging war against people whose votes they are going to require to win in November.

I've known a documents person in my time. If an embossing device was forged, they would not want to recreate the entire embossment if possible - the more fully rendered, the more likely to be revealed as a fake. I'm sure the sentencing guidelines for duplicating a state embossment seal are pretty harsh.

I'm of the mind the birth certificate is real and he's going to use the controvery to go after his critics as Rove handled the controversy around Bush's National Guard service. That being said, it indicates a pretty twisted mind at work when unleashed against members of one's own party and that's not someone who I want in the White House.

Twilight said...

I'm not sure if this is the rebuttal you mention in the 1st para. JC. I've given up trying to keep track of the birth certificate mystery (this is dated 11 July so it came after your post on the topic.).

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/forensic-expert.html

Citizen K said...

The Cornell University Law School site formats section (g) differently. It looks like the December 24, 1952 proviso applies only to subsection (B).
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

This is further supported by the Notes to the subsection:

"1966—Subsec. (a)(7). Pub. L. 89–770 authorized periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization by the citizen parent, or any periods during which the citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization, to be included in order to satisfy the physical presence requirement, and permitted the proviso to be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952." [(a)(7) is now section(g)]
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-notes.html

Also note that the effective date for the chapter: "Chapter effective 180 days after June 27, 1952."

Also of interest is 8 USC 1409(c), Children Born Out of Wedlock:
"(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year."

Joseph Cannon said...

I haven't read te whole thing yet, but so far, nothing on that site refers in any way to what I said. Indeed, the anonymous expert makes no reference to the fact that the seal on the obverse side is visible even in the original, smaller jpg of the COB.

In fact, I see no technical argument of any sort on that site. Just a lot of blather about ideology.

Joseph Cannon said...

My previous comment refers to the "Atlas Shrugged" site.

I am very grateful to citizen k. He nails it. Since Obama was (we now know) born out of wedlock, then 8 USC 1409(c)applies.

Obama can be president.

Anonymous said...

Joseph, you must read the new birth certificate analysis today. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

The seal may not matter if a document was 'washed' with solvent and reprinted.

This is a VERY interesting article.

If it were 'washed', the new version could be handed to the press who would confirm an embossed seal on security paper. Scary.

Twilight said...

I'm not sure that in this particular case that 8 USC 1409(c)
nails it Joseph. For an ordinary mortal -yes, it establishes citizenship. For an a person aspiring to be President of the USA, not so sure. Isn't the requirement that he/she should be born on US soil ? Or is it simply that he/she be "a natural born citizen"? I'm confused.

Joseph Cannon said...

From Wikipedia:

"This interpretation is in concert with the wording of the Naturalization Act of 1790, that "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

Anonymous said...

Do you not think that lying about his place of birth and posting a fraudulent colb on his smears web-site if that is what he has present problems for him? Also, using Wikipedia as a source? Really?

Joseph Cannon said...

The COB is not fraudulent. I've dealt with this issue previously, and no-one has been able to touch the argument.

Are you arguing that Wikipedia cited the 1790 act incorrectly? If so, what are YOUR sources?

Anonymous said...

You realize that if the US Constitution is violated, we're all in a world of shit, don't you? This is so scary.

Dimitri

Twilight said...

Sorry to go on about this !
It interests me because I'll be swearing the Oath of Allegiance myself on Thursday when I become a naturalized citizen of the US.

So...as I understand it, a person born on US soil of parents who are of any nationality, is a natural born citizen. A person born not on US soil whose parents (or one of them) is a US citizen is also natural born.

I found this -here
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born.


She's got it...I think she's got it!!!

Joseph seems to be right on this.

glennmcgahee said...

The real issue for me is not only about Obama but his supporters. Is the birth certificate or COLB presented on Daily Kos and the smears site original? Is it real and verifiable? If not, there is legal retribution for presenting a flase document as those that are supposebly being used by illegal immigrants to gain citizenship or a drivers license, etc. I think its been shown that the document presented is suspect. If so, somebody has broken the law.

Anonymous said...

I have no idea whether Wikipedia cited the 1790 act correctly or incorrectly, or even whether such an act exists. That's the point. I could have written the information posted on Wikipedia and I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about. Also, why do you not find Techdude's and Polarik's arguments that the colb is fraudulent to be convincing?

Gary McGowan said...

"Michelle Obama recently confirmed that her husband was born out of wedlock."

Well, that cinches it. Case closed. No documentation needed.

Why would she lie?

Anonymous said...

I think this is sort of a bizarre stream of "research," but as a lawyer - 2 quick points:

1) "This proviso" language is used to modify language after anything beginning "provided that." So, the proviso DOES NOT modify the whole of section (g)

2) MO did not say that BHO was born out of wedlock. She said he was raised by a single mother. My brother was raised by a single mother - because my father had left the family by that time - but my mother and he were still married, so my brother, while raised by a single mother was not born out of wedlock. The same seems to be the case with BHO.

Joseph Cannon said...

No, Michelle did not say that Barack was raised by a single mother. The exact quote:

"His own mother, she said at the beginning of her remarks, was “very young and very single when she had him.”"

Show these words to any reasonable person in (say) 2000 -- before the Obamas became known -- and how would they be interpreted? Obviously, they would be taken to mean that Ann was unmarried when she gave birth.

Although bastardy no longer carries a serious social stigma, few would lie about a thing like that.

Besides, those of us looking seriously at the matter -- including TexasDarlin, if I recall correctly -- had already concluded that no marriage took place. Barack Sr. was already married. He never lived with Ann. He doesn't seem to have given the girl or her child much thought. We have no date or place or documentation for either a marriage or a divorce. Barack Sr later sired other children without marrying their mothers.

I have no doubt that Barack Obama was TOLD that a marriage took place. Fibs of that sort were often told in the 60s, when morals were different.

I gotta say it again -- the elder BO really does seem to have been a piece of work.

Anonymous said...

I'd say the younger BO is a piece of work as well...

Anonymous said...

"Although bastardy no longer carries a serious social stigma, few would lie about a thing like that. "

Maybe a generation fom now you can say the same about being fellated by a guy for some blow.

Dimitri