The Richardson controversy rankled me. Activists attacked him because he said: "It's a choice. I'm not a scientist. I don't see this as an issue of science or definition." This response conflicted with current Democratic party orthodoxy, which holds that Mother Nature makes the choice for us.
Does she?
Frankly, I doubt that Richardson cares much about the origins of gayness. He probably just misrecalled which answer he was supposed to give. The larger question is this: Why are we asking political candidates to offer opinions on what is, in essence, a question for biologists and social scientists?
Sorry gov, but this question is an issue of science and definition. I, too, am no scientist, but I don't mind skimming the literature. Right now, anyone surveying the paperwork in the case of nurture vs. nature will see much evidence favoring "nature" -- but if you think the matter has been adjudicated, think again.
A brain researcher named Simon LeVay found that one group of neurons in the hypothalamus was more prevelant in heterosexuals than in homosexuals. However, his work has not been successfully replicated, and LeVay has insisted that "I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay." Dean Hamer's studies of chromosomal links are not conclusive. A recent Italian study suggests that female relatives of gay men tend to be more fertile than other types of women, but this finding hardly proves the genetic theory.
We have good evidence indicating that the morphology of the brain differs between gays and straights. Gays tend to have a much larger anterior commissure, a bundle of white fibers connecting the two hemispheres. The suprachiasmatic nucleus (a part of the hypothalamus) also tends to be larger in gays.
Studies involving twins have been used both for and against the genetic theory.
We therefore cannot discount the idea that brain morphology has been altered by environmental factors. Researchers Gregory Cochran and Paul Ewald have proposed a pathogenic theory of homosexuality. The idea is, at present, very politically incorrect, and no studies back it. However, viruses have been known to cause changes in brain structure.
Obviously, this post can take only a passing glance at so large and contentious a field of study. This area of research is still quite young. We may be fifty years away -- perhaps even a hundred years away -- from a definitive answer.
One should also note that some gays object to all genetic theories and embrace the notion of homosexuality as a choice. Gore Vidal objects to being called a gay man, since he maintains that the words "homosexual" and "heterosexual" describe acts, not people. In an 1991 essay on sex in The Nation, Vidal wrote:
Actually, the perecentage of the population that is deeply enthusiastic about other-sex is probably not much larger than those exclusively devoted to same-sex -- something like 10 percent in either case. The remaining 80 percent does this, does that, does nothing; settles into an acceptable if dull social role...I don't know where Vidal found these numbers, although some wags might suggest that he yanked them out of a location germane to this discussion. Perhaps he simply wanted to visualize the largest possible population of potential conquests.
We don't really know what percentage of the male population is gay -- or, if you prefer, what perecentage of the male population has an enlarged anterior commissure. The number is probably somewhere between two percent and ten percent; the majority of the male population would probably rather have carnal knowledge of a honeydew melon than of another man.
Such, at least, is my guess.
I emphasize the word to emphasize my primary point: We are still guessing. Science has not spoken -- not conclusively, not yet.
So why was Richardson castigated for giving the "wrong" answer (presuming he meant to say what he said, which I don't think he did)? How can there be a "wrong" answer, given our unimpressive state of knowledge?
And why is someone like Gore Vidal permitted to opine that sexuality is purely a matter of choice, while any Democratic presidential candidate who seconds the notion is considered guilty of Thoughtcrime Most Foul?
Personally, I suspect that genes play a large role. But suspicion is not scientific proof, and I cannot fairly demand that everyone else share my hunches.
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I can't say I agree that genetics plays too dominant of a role in sexual preference. In this were the case, then I guess the recessive gene had a field day in Europe and the Mediterranean before Christianity. I think it's cultural programming, through and through. Plato and Rupaul don't have much in common, minus their preference for a dude after dark.
The genetics conversation gets scary if it takes hold. Eugenicists are sure to follow!
"The genetics conversation gets scary if it takes hold. Eugenicists are sure to follow!"
There's something to that. Perhaps. But the genetic explanation has become the fashionable one, precisely because it removes choice from the equation.
Similarly, the pathogenic explanation will remain UN fashionable for the foreseeable future, and will not receive the funding necessary for research. Why? Because gays and those who want to treat them fairly will take umbrage at any theory positing that homosexuality is a vector-borne "disease." If a pathogen is the cause, then homosexuality can theoretically be, if not cured, then prevented.
Don't you see the problem here? We are placing constraints on the answers that scientists are allowed to give us. Science should be a matter of pure objectivity. We cannot tell a scientist: "Here is the response you SHOULD give us. If you have anything else to say, we don't want to hear it."
You say that the genetics conversation gets "scary." Scariness should not matter one way or the other. From a scientific viewpoint, the only question that should matter is: "Can we prove it?"
Hi Joseph. Thanks for the response. I wasn't being snarky. I have absolutely no problem with further study. Debate is not only good, it is essential. My quandary is with whomever is processing the data and interpreting the results. There's always a gray, multifaceted and overlapping area (EvoDevo). For lack of a better analogy, Milton Friedman and Martin Browning will look at the same statistics and give us completely different interpretations; neither giving us a complete picture.
Your right for calling me on the eugenicists line. Tongue in cheek and way too alarmist, but I do think there's a kernel of truth to it.
What can I say? I'm an inherently distrustful Sicilian(irony included).
From what I understand, it might be a variety of factors that will influence sexual preference. Genetic differences might have a part, but it might also be related to the uterine environment: the amount / ratio of hormones present during the brain formation.
Most of my gay friends tell me they knew when they were very young that they first felt attractions toward members of the same sex, so the "lifestyle choice" of "learned homosexuality" is 100% bullshit. I think you're born with your basic sexual preferences. And we should not forget bisexuality, I think it's even more prevalent than only homosexuality. And some people don't have any interest in sex at all, they have no attraction toward either sex (they usually like computers though :).
There's interesting studies out there about the presence of homosexuality in a lot of mammal species, like a sheep specie with males who will partner with another male for life.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._study_of_gay_sheep_may_shed_light_on_sexuality (these darn liberal scientist spent 2.8 millions to study gay sheeps !)
If it was genetic, wouldn't it disappear ? Based on the theory that carriers of that gene would have less chances of producing offspring...
Joseph -
Why does it frickin matter? Posts like this one just continue the stigmatization, even if its not intended. Just make your point that Richardson is a pol and not a scientist and leave at that, and get back to what you do well: exposing the machine's cellulitic underbelly.
Signed,
One of the many lesbians tired of being used as a decoy in the march to fascism.
Hyperman -
My mother's aunt was a lesbian. Im a lesbian from way back (so to speak). My sister's have lots of kids. Im already thinkin one of them might just be gay. And so it goes.
Anon 8:24. I'm not saying it doesn't have anything to do with genetics, but that some other factors might be involved. The brain formation is not only controlled by genes but by the uterine environment. The level of hormones present in the uterine when the brain is growing will modulate the expression of some genes.
then there is the common ordinary seduction principle. A gay person sedcuces another person and bingo..that person becomes gay like. Forget all the theories..its about seduction. Horny males and horny females grabbing body parts if they can get asway with it.
So the vulnerable victem.seductee, needs love or intimacy and is seduced by that ploy or play. As Freud noticed, everything is either concave or convex and so it goes.
There are seducing spirits operating in the invisables..in the ethers..and they are busy seducing us on all levels wuth their fabrications and their nefarious agendas..from crime to illicit sex, to lying, stealiing, anger, jealously, hate, revenge, lust, and a host of other compulsions and obsessions.
"What fools these Mortals Be".
"Posts like this one just continue the stigmatization..."
No it doesn't. It just doesn't.
Like it or not, the question of "What causes homosexuality?" is a matter of national discussion. It's a question now routinely asked of presidential candidates.
So we might as well confront it.
And my response is, in brief: This is a matter for scientists. And science has yet to make up its mind. The findings we have at present are interesting and suggestive, but not conclusive.
So that's my take. I may be wrong. But I have not stigmatized anyone.
And this attitude you suggest -- "Let's avoid all discussion of the issue" -- well, sorry, but I can't go along with that.
I agree with Joseph about the importance of the origin of homosexuality... The homophobe pundits always talk of "homosexual lifestyle" like it was a matter of choice (will I decide to be attracted to men this morning ?).
It's understandable however, if you consider that most hardcore homophobes are closeted gays. For them, it's really a daily choice to "resist" their nature.
Tired lesbian here again.
Please dont just categorically refute my feeling that the way you are discussing this topic doesnt further stigmatization of ME. You arent gay. How can you be so pompous as to think you can just cast aside my perspective on this. I do not have any problems with discussing this topic in a rational, reasoned way. In contrast this post borders on prudish 19th century pseudo -science.
Joseph, I really enjoy your blog. Ive even donated your site. Please stick to your knitting and dont venture into issues that (whether you see it or not) PERSONALLY offend your readers.
TL, I ran your comments by a bisexual acquaintance, who had NO idea what you are talking about. I have no intention of offending, but I am not going to apologize for anything. Hell, I did not even come to any conclusions -- although you seem to be under the impression that I did!
The scientific findings I summarized constituted up to the minute material, not "19th Century pseudo-science." I suppose that a hundred years from now, the research being done today will seem primitive and perhaps even pseudoscientific. But the same can be said for any branch of current science, eh wot?
Seriously, I would like to know just which part offended you. You haven't quoted or refuted any segment, so I am in the dark here.
I certainly have as much right to discuss homosexuality as you have to discuss heterosexuality -- that is to say, every right in the world.
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