A few weeks ago the former chief rabbi of Israel, Mordechai Eliyahu, issued a proclamation calling for the elimination of the Palestinian people by literally bombing them off the face of the earth. He was apparently not the first (former) chief rabbi to utter such hatred to his flock.I'll be tickled when one of the "megaphonies" accuses me of racism because I repeated these two quotes. Question: Has Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ever uttered words so brutal?
Six years ago another former chief rabbi, Ovadia Yosef called for the annihilation of Arabs, referring to them as 'vipers'... Yosef is the spiritual head of the Shas Party in Israel, one of the ultra orthodox parties represented in the Knesset.
Sunday, June 24, 2007
Peace and love
From a blog called DesertPeace:
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One proof of the relatively innocuous nature of the remarks of Iran's president (which have falsely been spun to have said, and by implication, advocated, that 'Israel be wiped off the map') is that he was quoting a well known statement from Ayatollah Khomeini.
While I encourage all to look up a more detailed analysis of what Iran's president said (including the exact Farsee language quote and its translation), really, that is not necessary to understand this point:
The Ayatollah Khomeini was a far more fearsome bogeyman than the current president of Iran (who is not even a crazed cleric, but rather, a highly educated civil engineer, from the civil engineer party (?)). The US, and Israel, had great motivation to demonize Khomeini. Yet, despite his clear calling of US and Israel the Great and Little Satan respectively, and the mob chants of 'death to the US, death to Israel,' the words of Khomeini were NEVER spun to mean a call for wiping out Israel, or wiping her off the map, or anything similar. (For one thing, a rather big thing, no words in the phrase denote or connote wiping ANYTHING off any map, words that aren't part of the quote).
If that quote from Khomeini didn't mean that, and we never even tried to pretend they did, then it does not mean that today, at all.
However, you WILL see it even 'quoted' that way, now, in what is rather bad propaganda, however seemingly universally believed in the west, and repeated by Democratic Party leaders like Hillary, Kerry last cycle, etc.
As for the Israeli attitude, Xymphora summed it up nicely in the past few days. Israelis, and some large percentage of non-Israeli Jews, are convinced that only a national refuge like an Israel will prevent the annihilation of Jews.
Unfortunately, their opinion is that the pre-'67 war borders of Israel were not sufficient to make it a viable state for these purposes, so it must be enlarged, as a matter of racial/ tribal/ co-religionist survival.
Literally anybody or anything that stands in the way of that taking place must be eliminated, and no moral considerations come into play at all when these ends are pursued.
AND unfortunately (for the rest of us in the world, and the Arab nations in particular), their analysis is that their safety requires that NO possible threat from neighboring Arab countries can be allowed to stand, so ALL the more powerful Arab nations must be dissolved into relatively powerless mini-states.
A recipe for WW III? Sure. But if you opposed a WW III, you must be anti-Semitic, if that's what it takes to secure the existence of Jews.
sofla
Here is a literal translation of Ahmadinejad's comment:
"The Zionist regime is an obvious injustice and it is an inherent ongoing potential threat and it was established with the goal of being a potential threat to the region. The continued existence of this usurper Zionist regime is an injustice and a threat. Israel can not exist outside of threat and aggression and can not exist in an atmosphere of peace and tranquility and as long as it is allowed to remain in one inch of Palestine it will remain a threat. If there are any doubts about the Holocaust , there aren’t any about the Palestinian Holocaust. There has been a Holocaust in Palestine for more than 60 years."
sofla is right about a another observation, Ahmadinejad is a right leaning devout Muslim (and not motivated by greed or power) and a minor player in Iranian politics.
The most important point that is missed in all the mis-translations attributed to him is that he never uses the term "Jew" or "Jewish" but the term "Zionism". In the Middle East, Zionism and Jewish are not taken to be the same. Judism is a religion and Zionism an idealogy.
Iran would embrace a two state solution in Palestine if that is the only achievable outcome, but what Iran really wants is a one state solution, where Zionism is rejected in favor of a representative government in the whole of Palestine and Israel.
That outcome does call for the destruction of "The Zionist Regime", but noting to do with killing Jews.
The one state solution has finaly been taken under consideration by many outside Iran, but of coarse it is a taboo subject in US MSM.
Quoting Ahmadinejad's saying that Israel should be wiped off the map plays well in the media and in certain political circles, particularly those influenced or dominated by Israeli sympathizers. It's a neat little sound bite that suits Israel's needs quite nicely, much the same as Israel's labeling as anti-semitic anyone who dares to criticize Israel and its policies. The fact that it's entirely false seems not to matter.
While the Nazis destroyed millions of Jews in 1940s Europe, David ben-Gurion and his followers were engaged in the forced mass exodus of millions of Palestinians from their homes. Many of them died, as well. Why is it that the media focuses attention on the attrocities of the Holocaust while barely mentioning the attrocities endured by the Palestinians?
Ahmadinejad wants to see Israel wiped off the map in a figurative sense, meaning that a map should show a single state shared by Israelis and Palestinians rather than the Zionist state that is allowed to engage in aggressive and terroristic behavior toward others. I can't say that I disagree. But the Israelis have got their tentacles so far up the United States' political and media rectal regions that nobody can seem to stand up and speak the truth about Israel without being branded an anti-Semite. And people seem to be more afraid of that than just about anything else.
It's time to stop playing to the "poor, poor little Israel" nonsense and call them out. If anyone is surprised by any of the coming revelations from the CIA's "family jewels", then they would be downright shocked by the stuff Israel has pulled over the years. It would make the CIA's transgressions look like fraternity highjinks in comparison.
regardless of how you translate it, it's impossible not translate Ahmadinejad's conference on holocaust denial in any way other than its hate-filled anti-semitic intent. if you disagree ask his pal and conference special guest kkk imperial grand wizard david duke,
Let's assume that Ahmadinejad is a holocaust denier, together with the fact that he is a minor figure in Iranian politics and his term will run out soon.
Let's imagine a Republican winning the 08 election from the current crop of the GOP candidates who all deny evolution and if elected will be in power till.....20...
How much damage a holocaust denier president of Iran can do verses a Republican president of the "Almighty US od A" who does not believe in evolution?
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