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I do hope this will be my last post on this issue. The responses have left me concerned that the media hype has done its dark magic too well, and even among the smart and compassionate folks like yourselves, one or two of you have fallen under its sway.
Watching Democracy Now! again this morning, as always, and they again focused on this urgent immigration situation. Today, though, they highlighted the drastic changes in immigration policy since 9/11, reminding everyone that there are profits to be made in this business.
Something to keep in mind here: Who benefits and who suffers?
All immigration detention centers, like most jails, in this country have been privatized. One or two among you (you know who you are) might think this is a good thing.
I find it reprehensible, the same way I find privatization of public schools and public utilities and so on reprehensible. Those aspects of the commonwealth should not be owned by anyONE, but by the community they serve, by the citizens who stand to gain and lose by their proper or improper management.
So we see in the privatization of jails and these detention centers the way the profit motive works. The more cells they fill, the more money they make. What is to keep these folks from scratching each other's backs across the various agencies involved??
And who suffers? The innocents.
Consider a woman interviewed this morning by Amy Goodman. Her name is Caroline. She is a young mother, her son only three years old. She was brought to this country at age 4 without papers. She never knew she was illegal. She went to school, was a model student, worked in the police department as a volunteer, and married her high school sweetheart. After her son was born, she decided to become an American citizen. After all, her husband is American, and so is her son. When she arrived for her interview, she was arrested because - unbeknownst to her - she had been officially ordered to deport at age 12. Because she did not have an attorney - the new rules do not provide this basic human right to aliens - she was held in detention for weeks, not allowed to see her son or husband, and then shipped off to Guatamala, a country she cannot even remember anymore. She has not seen her son since the day she was arrested, four months ago, and has no idea how she will ever be able to see him again.
That was only one story. The upshot is that, since 9/11, detention and deportation of illegal immigrants has far exceeded anything we would even grace with the adjective draconian. Most of you have surely heard these horror stories. People being ordered to appear for hearings on dates prior to the postmark on the order. People being deported for the slightest slant in the cross of a T on some form. Deported despite years of upright living and community service and paying taxes and raising families of American citizens, some to countries that will not keep them. Some end up in refugee camps not even in their native countries.
Friends, this is not a small issue; this is not what America is about. One only has to witness the hundreds of thousands of people protesting this administration's police state tactics to see how utterly out of touch this cabal of creeps is. Have you forgotten all those storm trooper stories from the months just after 9/11? They still occur. Are you aware that Homeland Security is building 800 detention camps, just in case? Of what?? The largest corporate detention facility is based in Texas, so we are free to speculate on relations with the dubyuh. These businesses have to turn a profit, so they have to keep those beds full. The monstrous logic of capitalism.
Go here for a very quick and graphic depiction of the point I tried to make yesterday, that corporate America - and we consumers - have done our part to make living conditions in other countries bad enough that our citizens want and often have to leave, and that very consumer cycle of work/consume/work/consume lures them all here for something better. It is incumbent upon us to own our complicity in all this, not to mention recognizing that there but for fortune go all the rest of us. With all the nightmares the reigning idiots have up their sleeves, we each might be begging to emigrate someday, so think about that.
And check out today's Democracy Now! These stories are real, the people are human, all except the monsters in the machinery that are perpetrating such damnable and unAmerican cruelty.
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Here's an idea, Dr. E. Make citizens of all those illegals now here, then shut down ALL immigration. Would you go for that? Why not?
I am surprised you have the effrontery to declare that I have been brainwashed by... by whom, exactly? (Surely not those dreadful corporations, who approve of illegals because they drive down wages.)
My position is ethnicity-neutral. In CA I worked with Laotians, Nicaraguans, Dominicans, Chileans, Mexicans, Cambodians, and found them all to be more American in spirit than the kids raised here in this country. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd kick out half the pseudocitizens in the US and replace them with immigrants, who appreciate what we have here.
But I don't have that choice. Nor do you, Doc. So here we are, our population swelling with millions of immigrants per year. If not for them, we would be at ZPG in this country--the brass ring for environmentalists, baby.
And I'll bet you claim to be an environmentalist, don't you? Do you not grasp the fact that your positions are irreconcilable? I wish that instead of implying that I've been duped or am insensitive to human tragedy, you would face the dissonance of your own cognition, and come to terms with it honestly.
oh good grief. the likes of att&t, coke, pfuzer, mcdoald's, tyson, disney, walmart, and EXXON???
these guys participating in an alliance to promote better relations with hispanics is like bush telling the world he intends to spread democracy around the world!
it disturbs me that this list would be considered a convincing argument that corporations are 'doing the right thing,' investing in their assets, and all that pr truthiness. looks good on paper, but it does not translate into reality.
yeah, walmart respects hispanics so much it built a megaplex on top of an ancient burial ground in mexico. exxon loves the world so much it gave its only begotten monster profits to...itself, all while destroying the planet. and macdonald's is itself so beloved it's stores are regularly burned out internationally. and pfizer is so burdened with conscience it uses third world natives to test its drugs.
with all due respect, it's impossible for me to impressed with this list because i prefer to look at the 'reality' these companies visit upon the world, including their own workers. just joining a club does not a conscience make. hey, bush claims to be a christian; i ain't buyin' that one, either.
unirealist, how odd to be at odds with you!
no, i would not go for your proposal that we legalize all current aliens and shut down all future immigrants. that will not address the core problem, which - as i've tried to make clear several times here - is that the corporate consumer cycle exploits countries and people the world over, including here, creating the incentive to leave their homes and come here. are you suggesting we maintain that cycle and shut our doors to those we victimize elsewhere?
i also tried to explain just why corporations do have a stake in lobbying against immigrants. this group represents a huge threat to corporate power if they insist on the rights they have marched for. this is the same scenario witnessed at chicago's haymarket protests of 1886, where laborers were demanding the 8 hour day.
fancy that. but it represented a huge financial loss for the fatcats when that solidarity won out. today's fatcats are not interested in that kind of outcome. actually, corporations stand to gain from the house bill of last december, as it makes it a felony to work here without papers. this strips these individuals of all manner of rights (unconstitutionally, one would think, but the USAPATRIOT Act makes all this a bit muddy), which relieves the corporations of any responsibilities. except of course actually abiding by this law, but since the aliens are made felons and the corporations will continue to be ignored, they are never punished.
the bottom line is, corporations want these groups intimidated so they do not pose a threat to their power to exploit them at will. the bill being protested places all the burden on the immigrants and none to speak of on the fatcats. and whatever burden is on them in that bill will be no better enforced than it ever has been, meaning corporations will never suffer consequences.
i also addressed the minimal impact of immigrants in this country on our environment. and yeah, i'm a fairly rabid environmentalist. the planet will not be better served by an inhumane immigration policy. far more damage is done by the corporations who perpetruate the exploitation of the planet and the people. you say "millions" of immigrants? you exaggerate wildly. the real numbers show a million are naturalized a year, and estimates place incoming illegals at about half that. compared to our roughly 300 mill population, i just cannot get up in arms about the environmental impact of that when the issues of humanity are so glaringly overpowering by comparison.
http://www.cis.org/topics/currentnumbers.html
we do agree on the dedication and work-ethic of these people. it's absolutely inspiring the patriotism they show. and to become a citizen, they instantly know more about our history and government than the average native citizen. shameful.
my rule of thumb in these matters is always to consider who will gain and who will lose. the corporations never lose. never. and just by definition they have their illegal workers under their thumbs. this new bill stands to take away even more rights from the already powerless.
your input is always so valuable, and again, it is really strange to find such a strong difference. but please allow me to encourage you again to visit the DN! shows and learn more about the human and historical sides to the story. i don't know if it would change your mind, but it might add another perspective to your always thoughtful positions.
Dr. E, please consider...
The 31.1 million immigrants found in the 2000 Census is unparalleled in American history. It is more than triple the 9.6 million in 1970 and more than double the 14.1 million in 1980.
The 11.3 million (or 57 percent) increase, from 19.8 million in 1990 to 31.1 million in 2000, is also without precedent in our history, both numerically and proportionately. Even during the great wave of immigration from 1900 to 1910, the foreign-born population grew by only 3.2 million (or 31 percent).
"The new figures released by the Census Bureau indicate that we are currently in the midst of a huge social experiment. No country has every attempted to incorporate and assimilate 31 million newcomers into its society," said the Center’s director of research Steven A. Camarota. "And the experiment is by no means over. If current policies remain unchanged, at least 13 million legal and illegal immigrants, and probably more, will likely settle in the United States over the next decade."
Immigration has become the determinate factor in U.S. population growth. The 13.2 million immigrants who arrived in the 1990s account for about 40 percent of U.S. population growth in the 1990s. Moreover, other Census Bureau data indicates that there were roughly 7 million births to immigrant women in the 1990s. Thus new immigration and births to immigrant women accounted for at least 60 percent of U.S. population growth over the last decade.
Immigration has become the determinate factor in U.S. population growth. The arrival of over 3 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 1.5 million births to immigrant women over the last two years, accounts for nearly 90 percent of U.S. population growth since the 2000 census.
Immigrants account for 11.5 percent of the total population, the highest percentage in 70 years. If current trends continue, the immigrant share of the total population will surpass the all time high of 14.8 percent, reached in 1890, by the end of this decade.
I want to call your attention to this particular fact:
"The arrival of over 3 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 1.5 million births to immigrant women over the last two years, accounts for nearly 90 percent of U.S. population growth since the 2000 census."
(Which is "millions per year..", as I said.)
In short, without immigration the USA is at ZPG. I repeat, how can you argue against that? You can't, not without changing the subject to the evilness of corporate America, with which I (unlike m. jed) won't disagree.
These are separate issues. Conflating them won't help solve either one.
Thanks for your extended reply.
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