"I understand there are some in America who say, 'Well this can't be true, there aren't still people willing to attack.' All I would ask them to do is listen to the words of Osama bin Laden and take him seriously," Bush said at the National Security Agency.Just who, exactly, said such a thing? Surely no-one on the left. We've been busy castigating Bush for ignoring Bin Laden.
Wednesday, January 25, 2006
Another indication that the Bin Laden tape is fake
Bush used the questioned tape to justify his warrantless wiretapping of American citizens:
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Joseph,
You do yourself and this blog no favors by indulging in empty speculation. If you have evidence that Bush faked the Bin Laden tape(s), or could make a plausible inferential case for that claim, I wish you'd forward it. But of course you have no such thing.
Similarly, your long-standing contention that Bush is going to detonate a nuclear device in the U.S. for political advantage has obvious appeal to anyone who despises and distrusts Bush, but is (needless to say) without any basis in known fact, apart from your girlfriend's dream (if I remember correctly).
If you're going to cross this divide, there is no conceivable fantasy which can be reasonably excluded from the discourse. That may be fine for some, but I thought the difference between them and us is that we respect reality?
Hi Anon, I'll take the bait.
You want to know that the Bin Laden tape was faked, well explain a few discrepancies.
I heard this professer fluent in arabic and english on NPR the other day and he said he had listened to and read the transcript from the most recent tape and his conclusion was that it didn't fit in with the previous ones.
Typically Bin Laden speeches tend to be phrased in flowing arabic that has a different grammar structure making it more sing song. This latest tape appears clear to him that the speach was written in some other language, then translated into arabic, as opposed to being penned in arabic.
I wish I had more details to help Mr. Cannon track down the news story, but that was the basic synopsis of the analysis by someone fluent in both english and arabic.
So if Mr. Bin Laden is reading a script that was written in another language and translated into arabic, WHO wrote it for him?!
I'm not pointing fingers at the government, but I will say that the reference to impending nuclear attack within the U.S. can be easily disregarded as long as it doesn't happen, but if it DOES happen then who would believe the dream if they hadn't read about it prior to the event?
Zach
There are a number of reasons to believe that the bin Laden tape is a fake.
1. There is good evidence that he died more than two years ago.
2. Linguistic analysis determines that the authorship of this tape is different from previous tapes (that probably were not bin Laden also)
3. A Swiss institute has analysed the voice patterns and compared them with a verifiably true voice print of bin Laden and determined that all of the tapes from 2002 onward are fakes.
4. The reference to Bill Blum's book is ludicrous. The quote is actually from a different book. Mr Blum supported the Russians in Afghanistan and it beggars belief that bin Laden would approvingly quote him.
These and other factors certainly lead to the conclusioon that the tape is a fake. That being so, cui bono? Bush's constant references to the tape give one a clue.
As to whether there is a nuclear or other attack coming? Well, they staged the last one, so discount their staging another one to justify the final transition to dictatorship at your peril.
joe, you're instincts again have proven keen. check this out:
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=10544
evidently folks are starting to get wise to the charade. a good thing.
and we cannot pursue these charades without first speculating about them, so anon the first, i hope you recognize the implications of what you said here. to limit ourselves to 'proven facts' invites the dependence on some 'authority' without question. that sort of blind faith will not support a reality based community.
i agree with james's points, except for the idea that bin laden is dead. i had (ahem) speculated that he might be for some time, until i heard peter berger make the astute point that his death would have reverberated throughout the muslim world with loud emphasis on his martyrdom. he's probably alive; and those stories about his being on dialysis were also not likely true.
anyway, good call, joe; nailed another one.
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