Wednesday, October 25, 2017

Rightwing propaganda about THAT dossier: Twelve counterarguments

The Republicans are pretending that the entire "Russiagate" scandal derives from the Steele dossier. They also pretend that the dossier has been discredited due to the "revelation" that Clinton's lawyer paid Fusion GPS. These pretenses have given rise to a massive propaganda campaign.

Here are twelve counterarguments:

1. This "revelation" is nothing of the kind. To the best of my knowledge, the first public reference  -- and the only pre-election reference -- to the dossier came from David Corn. Of the funding, Corn said:
This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project’s financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.)
Since there was only one Democratic candidate after Sanders dropped out, Corn as much as admitted that the client was part of Camp Clinton. In other words, we've been told nothing new.

2. The pretense that the scandal traces back to that dossier is ridiculous. Most of what we've learned -- including the Trump Tower meeting, the dirt which deep-sixed Michael Flynn, the secret confabs which led to Sessions' recusal, the alliances between Trump and various oligarchs like Felix Sater, and on and on and on -- has nothing to do with the dossier. The FBI was looking at Manafort and Carter Page well before the election, and well before they were given the dossier.

The dossier was not released until after the election, yet the intelligence community released its findings about Russia's efforts before the election. Paul Ryan joked about the Trump/Russia connection in June. There were many, many stories -- and jokes -- about Putin/Trump collusion before the election. (For what it's worth: On June 16, this humble blog became the first blog to claim that Putin was trying to put Trump in office; that post name-checked both Manafort and Carter Page.)

In short and in sum: If the dossier had never existed, we'd still have quite a scandal on our hands.

3. The Clinton oppo file on Trump was released during the campaign after Russian hackers obtained it; that file contains no reference to anything in the dossier. It is thus fair to presume that most people in Camp Clinton had not idea of the dossier's existence.

(How did Corn get hold of the thing? I don't know, but his Spookworld contacts have always been impressive.)

4. The Trumpers are arguing that it was acceptable for DJT Jr. to seek oppo research from a Putin-linked Russian lawyer but that it is UNacceptable for Clinton's lawyer to pay a British spy who claims to have uncovered startling information about Trump.

Come off it. Even in this corrupt age, there are limits to hypocrisy.

5. Despite what the conservative propagandists are now saying, Steele's work was originally funded by a Republican, almost certainly Jeb Bush.

6. There's a difference between research and a smear. Opposition research has value only if it reflects reality. The dossier's claims are not affected by the identity of the funders any more than the potency of tequila has anything to do with the store from which it was purchased.

Steele certainly seems to think that he was onto something. Here's what he told Corn:
“It started off as a fairly general inquiry,” says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, “there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit.”

This was, the former spy remarks, “an extraordinary situation.” He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was “sufficiently serious” to share with the FBI.
If the dossier were a baseless smear, Steele would never have sent it to America's foremost law-enforcement agency. If Steele were in the smear business (as opposed to the spy business), it would have made more sense for Steele to put his work up on the internet before the election, much as the GOP placed Clinton Cash all over the internet.

7. It's impossible to claim that the FBI is party to a smear. Comey did not release any hint of this information before the campaign. To the contrary: Comey deep-sixed Clinton's chances when he issued that public statement about the Weiner laptop.

I know that Breitbart-addled conspiratards love to pretend that Comey (a Republican) was always a secret member of Team Clinton, but that accusation is utterly insane.

8. If the dossier were nothing but a smear, then why has so much of it checked out?
Some of his material now tracks with what’s become publicly known. Steele’s first memo, written in June 2016, reported there had been secret exchanges of information between the Russian government and Trump and his team. This past July it was revealed that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Manafort met with a Russian emissary in June 2016 in an effort to obtain dirt on Clinton as part of a secret Russian government scheme to help Trump. That initial Steele memo also reported that the Kremlin had for years been trying to cultivate Trump by offering him lucrative real estate deals in Russia. Though Trump’s efforts to score a big project in Russia has long been known, only recently was it disclosed that during the 2016 campaign, Trump—while he was making positive remarks about Putin—was secretly trying to land a deal to build a Trump tower in Moscow. Was that part of a Russian attempt to woo the developer-turned-candidate?
9. If the dossier were fake, why does Trump act so damned guilty? Trump refuses to enforce congressionally-mandated sanctions against Russia -- a refusal which, in and of itself, is grounds for impeachment. (Sanctions are the law. Presidents swear to execute the law.) Trump hired Steve Bannon, whose Russian links are well-known (for example, he hired a Sputnik writer). Trump hired others with secret Russian links. Trump refuses to investigate Russian tampering with the election. Trump refuses to do anything to safeguard the voting machines. Trump fired James Comey, and tried to lie about why he did so. Tried put out a false cover story about his son's meeting in Trump Tower.

As Josh Marshall says:
He is charged by his oath with preserving the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. He pledged to defend against all attacks but he’s actively assisting one. That is just as much the case as it would be if he repeatedly denied an adversary power were moving conventional arms into positions which threatened the United States.

He is actively and directly assisting the attack and the attack is on-going. Why he’s doing that is not really relevant. He’s doing it.
10. There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton herself knew anything about the dossier. I would not be surprised to learn that she did, but right now, we do not know. If she was aware of its existence, she obviously did not consider it of political value -- otherwise, she would have made use of the thing.

As the WP notes:
It’s also unclear how much the Clinton campaign itself knew about the work, since Steele was a subcontractor to a subcontractor to a law firm representing the campaign, and the dossier itself read like an early draft, not remotely like a finished product that would be presented to the campaign.
To repeat: Nobody used the dossier during the election. Quoting again from the WP:
Is the scandal that there were some wild charges in the Steele dossier? So what? The Clinton campaign didn’t leak them to the press, use them in ads, or make any other use of them. The document came out after Trump was already elected, when Buzzfeed published it on January 10.

But none of that matters to Republicans, who are now trying to argue that this story proves that there’s nothing to the Russia scandal and the whole thing is Hillary Clinton’s fault anyway. “DOSSIER DECEIT” screams the headline on the story at the top of FoxNews.com. There are three separate articles about it dominating the front page of Breitbart. “CLINTON, DNC PAID FOR DIRT; RUSSIAN DOSSIER” says the huge headline on the Drudge Report, illustrated with a photo of Vladimir Putin whispering into Hillary Clinton’s ear.

That photo may tell us something important about what the GOP/conservative media strategy is now. You might watch for Republicans to start referring to it as the “Russian dossier,” as though it were not a dossier about Trump’s connections to Russia but something that Clinton cooked up with Putin.
Everything is topsy turvy! There is no evidence that Putin had anything to do with that dossier. Nothing in that dossier benefits Putin in any way -- quite the opposite, in fact. Putin hates Hillary Clinton.

The right is engaging in baseless smears.
If you try hard to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they have something resembling a coherent argument here, it seems to be that since the Clinton campaign was indirectly paying Steele, and since in his attempt to determine the extent of Trump’s dealings in Russia, Steele spoke to Russian sources, then that means Hillary Clinton “colluded with Russia.” That is positively insane.

Of course Steele had to talk to Russians in his inquiry, just as detectives are going to have to talk to criminals when they’re investigating a criminal enterprise. Those are the people who might have information.
Let me get this straight: A British spy, using God-knows-what kind of tradecraft and subterfuge, gets raw information from a variety of Russian sources. To the Breitbarters, this translates to "Hillary works for Putin!" By the same logic, we could claim that Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher -- along with every president from Truman to Bush I -- worked for the USSR, because they all relied on information from various spies who had developed contacts in the old Soviet Union.

Is it possible that this absurd argument actually makes sense to anyone, even to the rubes who voted for Trump? And yet this sub-Alex Jonesian exercise in inchoate paranoia is now being sprayed all over the Federalist, which ridiculously insinuates that Comey was working for the dreaded Putin/Hillary conspiracy.

11. The dossier also contains harsh words about Hillary Clinton herself. Nothing involving stained bedsheets, true. But the dossier's repeated accusation that she is Janus-faced could hardly have been something she wanted publicized.

12. The FBI used the dossier as a partial basis for wiretaps. Would they have done so if they considered the British spy unreliable or a pro-Democratic hack? Since when are MI6 agents considered friendly to American liberal politicians? MI6 tends to attract Tories.

9 comments:

stickler said...

Agree with all, save #5. The original funder was a GOP Donor, not a candidate like Jeb!

Gary said...

Absolutely. A very good summary.

Gary said...

Absolutely. This is a coordinated attack trying to get ahead of indictments coming soon. Every point you make is valid.

Steve said...

Propaganda? I've come to the conclusion if Hillary appeared in front of a camera and Admitted to a bunch of stuff, YOU would write a big article on how Trump took over her angelic body and MADE her say it.

I've read many articles today that show the Hillary Attorney denying having anything to do with the dossier for a year BUT now he admits they pony'ed up some cash...( 9 million)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5016865/A-YEAR-Clinton-lies-dirty-dossier-exposed.html

yet, you still state Hillary didn't know anything like it is a fact.

You and the MSM say Trump Jr. having a meeting where nothing happened is TREASON:

https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-how-media-went-hysterical-over-don-jrs-willingness

BUT, all this confirmation coming in about Hillary, DNC, Poodesta Bros ACTUALLY colluding and money trading hands is all a big nothing burger and just normal opposition research with some uranium sprinkled on top...WTF??

Do you also see killer clowns running around your neighborhood?

Hillary says all these charges are fake and have been debunked...I was trying to research what she may be talking about and now I realize she just reads your Propaganda Blog.

I've looked up FusionGPS in wayback machine to find the founder is Glenn R. Simpson and I got his book "Dirty Little Secrets" about corruption in politics and what happened last year was right out of his Playbook just as he described it.

Why did Glenn Simpson refuse to answer any questions in closed-door interview in front of Senate last Month? According to this Blog, he was protecting Repugs? Sure, that make sense.

Why did Clinton lawyer deny any payments to FusionGPS for a year? I know, you say he wanted to protect the Repugs...sure.



nemdam said...

Two comments.

1) Though it isn't confirmed, I bet Hillary knew general details about the dossier. I've always wondered why Hillary was so confident of Trump's Russia ties that she was willing to call Trump Putin's puppet to his face. Contrary to popular belief, Hillary does not throw around such explosive allegations lightly meaning she would only have made it if she was damn near certain it was true. Knowing about the dossier and that Chris Steele was behind it (it wouldn't surprise me if Clinton was familiar with his name since he was the UK's top Russia spy while Clinton was doing a bunch of diplomacy with Russia as Secretary of State) probably convinced Hillary to go full steam ahead with the Russian allegations.

2) A tip I would like to share with digesting the endless nonsense of the Trump era. As any sane person would, I get upset, frustrated and simply outraged at the many hypocrisies, lies, and deflections of the right. But I had a revelation a couple months ago which has let me digest everything much easier. It is understanding that literally all of the right's messaging is propaganda. Meaning that none of the arguments they make are done in good faith but are simply an exercise in rhetoric to exert raw power in order to advance their agenda. Now I admit I am probably the moron who is slow to fully accept this. But when I did, I no longer get worked up at the escalating brazenness of the lies, hypocrisies, and deflections. I simply don't expect the truth or give them the benefit of the doubt in anything any Republican says unless proven otherwise. I simply view their messaging as variations of "Submit and do nor resist"." Yes, it is a depressing state of mind. But I think it is a necessary one in order to to not get rattled.

I swear this is not meant as a criticism of your post, which is 100% accurate. And it is still vital to debunk the right's lies. But I think it's past time that the left get outraged and about the right lying about anything or wasting energy trying to understand their argument by taking it at face value. By spending any time pretending they are making good faith arguments is time wasted, and we have to move beyond arguing with the right to defeat them since arguing with them is like arguing with a troll in that simply engaging them is a waste of time. Not sure if I'm making sense, but I hope I'm being clear.

Tom said...

Hey Steve, quite a crap flow you've made.

First off, the only thing the right has is lies, untruth and other forms of deception. This follows from the fact that their policies favor only the top one-half percent (by wealth). So in order to win those pesky elections, they've got to pull every trick in the book, invent more and feed the rubes an increasingly large quantity of lies every day. Seriously, if you've got a few million in cash, plus a bunch of real estate, plus an income of at least a half million per year, then screw the losers and their worthless, expensive Democracy and vote GOP. Missing any of those factors, well then, you're a sucker whose "conservative" voting habits will destroy what little this country offers ordinary citizens. And ordinary citizens are in that worldview, suckers.

Steve, you sound like a guy long grown unaccustomed to contact with the factual world of the reality-based community. So it may be shocking to find that there is a difference between lies and facts. So, though I won't waste time going through point by point the drivel you've spewed out with very little thought, I will point the way on a couple.

Uranium. False. Check Snopes (on many other issues, too)
https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

Who knew what? Hard to know. Apply Occam. HRC has made no secret of her dislike of Putin, at times foolishly in my opinion. Putin is a crook and a thug, though, so her distaste is understandable. So the idea of either Clinton doing illegal or unwise deals with Putin is silly.

Did she know who was funding the dossier? We don't know but we can speculate; that means to look at known facts and then to use other knowledge to reason logically about the question at hand. Here's Josh Marshall:

Elias used money from the Clinton campaign and the DNC. That’s new. Does it change the story? Not really. That’s who the Democrats are. The DNC and the party’s presidential campaign. This is opposition research. It’s what parties and campaigns do.

Now, one key part of this is that someone working in Elias’ position is basically representing the entirety of the Democratic party, often doing work for various committees and institutions that make up the party apparatus. That’s what seems to have been the case here. Elias’s firm Perkins Coie was working on behalf of both the DNC and the Clinton campaign going back far into 2015.

What isn’t clear is how much of the Steele material Elias shared with the campaign or the DNC. Given how things turned out I get he sense he maybe didn’t share nearly as much as he should have. Numerous critical parts of the Steele Dossier have been confirmed. The FBI thought enough of Steele’s work (and Steele himself, long before he started looking into Trump) to continue funding his research after the Democrats stopped, once the election was over. Lots of information contained in Steele’s research was (or would have been) critically important to allowing voters to make an informed decision about Donald Trump. Voters didn’t get any of it. So I get the sense it wasn’t widely shared or shared enough even though it really should have been.

I'll close now. But the piece by Josh Marshall quoted from is worth reading. Marshall has a PhD in American History and has been a journalist for twenty years. He's a knowledgeable, solid guy. That means that he knows what he's talking about and won't stray beyond what's reasonable.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-big-wapo-story-why-everyone-needs-to-thank-marc-elias

Prowlerzee said...

I know you guys are in your element here, but let me clear up one thing for Steve: you say Joseph stated Hillary didn't know anything as if it were a fact. In actual fact Joseph stated Hillary didn't USE the dossier during the election. In fact he repeated it. I would hope that cuts through the crap simply enough, but if that simple fact inspires a fantasy that Joseph is extolling Hillary as "angelic" you have issues that no one here can help you with.

Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is this: why are journalists acting like this is NEW information, stuff they never heard before when Mother Jones wrote about the origins of the Steele dossier in 2016? How many times does Corn need to remind his colleagues: "Hey guys, this is an old bone you're racing around with, yelping as if you found the Rosetta Stone.

The Steele dossier was originally commissioned as opposition research by Republicans (maybe Jeb Bush). Once Trump is nominated the GOP loses interest in Russian interference. But they do love their money. Dem operative or operatives pick the dossier up, pay for additional research. Material is not used in the campaign.

But . . SCANDALOUS!!!!

This is another diversion by the Trumpsters, desperately spinning the story while pretending this is all Mueller has, the one and only document used in the course of the investigation.

So unfair, so untrue, Fake News!

And sure, let's throw Hillary's name about to get the rage-freaks stirred up once again. Spice it up with as much Hillary-hate as possible because it worked so well last time out.

That's not going to play well for Mueller and his team; they've seen this act before. Which is why the accusations are going to get sweaty and wild in the near future. The noose is beginning to tighten.

Something wicked and big this way comes!

Peggy sue

PS: Read a snippet from an intel analyst out of Boston. She's predicting Mueller will drop the bomb within the next 30 days. Definitely before Thanksgiving. Which is interesting because Trump wants tax 'deform' on his desk before the holiday. Wonder if there's a connection???? Inquiring minds and all that.

Prowlerzee said...

Peggy Sue, from your mouth to Heavenly Mother's ear. I've heard similar from my journalist friends online.