Initial reports held that the crime occurred after an argument in the San Bernardino County health facility, indicating a spontaneous outburst. But now police are speaking of this incident as a planned event, since both shooters wore tactical gear and had plenty of ammo, and may even have carried an explosive device.
The shooters were a couple: Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik. Are we dealing with a jihadi version of Bonnie and Clyde? (At this writing, news accounts differ as to whether the two were engaged or already married.)
There were many early reports (based on the monitoring of police scanners) that the cops chased after a third shooter. According to the most recent accounts, there was no third man. Can anyone explain this discrepancy?
It is worth noting that this facility held a monthly drill which taught employees how to react in an emergency such as this.
Potentially, the most important aspect of this tale may concern the trip that Farook made to Saudi Arabia. Was he radicalized there? Our media constantly tells us to direct our anger at the Shi'ites, not at Saudi Arabia or the other great Sunni states. Even on the far-right anti-Islam sites, one sees little-to-no discussion of the role played by the Saudis.
This event will strengthen the hand of the Republicans. If a Republican becomes president in 2016, his first order of business will be to make no-holds-barred war on Assad of Syria. Doing so will, of course, bring Al Qaeda and ISIS to power in that country -- and both Al Qaeda and ISIS are largely Saudi creations.
In short: Shootings such as these will whip up an anti-jihadist frenzy -- which will have the paradoxical effect of giving the jihadists complete power in Syria.
Reactions, right and left. An event like this will drive the country nuts. However, there is a substantial difference between blue-state nuttiness and red-state nuttiness. Allow me to demonstrate.
The blue reaction: Over on Liberaland, here is the closest thing I could find to an over-the-top exchange in the comments section:
Syed Farook could very well be a patsy being fed to the media by WHITE RACIST Officials.This outburst was not seconded by any other readers. Instead, a cooler head offered the following:
after the way they let the WHITE RACIST TERRORIST just up and walk away from their bungled up FAILED attempt to overthrow the US Government in Nevada, (stolen US Military weapons INCLUDED) anything is possible.
"Syed Farook could very well be a patsy being fed to the media by WHITE RACIST Officials."And here is the kind of talk one gets from Daily Kos:
In order to believe that, you would need to believe that all of the local, state, and federal law enforcement people investigating the case are conspiring to put out a false narrative, and that NOT ONE person with direct knowledge of the case would have the moral fiber to expose the conspiracy.
So tell me, did Neil Armstrong really walk on the moon, or was the whole Apollo program just another conspiracy?
I can’t imagine why they would choose a place that helps disabled people unless they were going for maximum evil. To kill the people who work to help the most innocent and vulnerable in our society. There’s no rationale that leads to feeling just for killing these people, even in the mind of someone warped. It has to be pure limit pushing sadism.
The center had rented out a meeting room for the county public health department to hold its employee holiday party. That event, not the center’s disabled clients, was the target. The male shooter was an employee of the public health department, so he was shooting his co-workers. (All from what we now know.)
Usually ISIL and other groups of the same ilk pick targets that have symbolic, religious, governmental, or a den of sin type of vibe. This place has none of those. I also haven’t heard any claims of responsibility.All pretty reasonable.
The red reaction: On the right-wing sites, paranoia and hate reign supreme. With Pam Geller, you always know what you are going to get:
Only a person who worships SATAN would do that
Moslems are terrorists - potential terrorists, confirmed terrorists, dead terrorists - no matter in what forms, moslems are terrorists
Moslems celebrate death
Moslems glorifies killing
Moslems worship satan
WE SHOULD BE BANNING ISLAM NOT GUNS
Expel ALL MOSLEMS !!Here's Infowars:
We can no longer tolerate those who do not tolerate us!
How convenient they can now hijack the news to make sure no one watches the Trump interview with Alex......Yeah. That's what this was all about.
This is really gonna disappoint Obama who assures us no terrorists are just regular Muslims, they are all conservatives and Christians!
This could only get more surreal, if the guns used turn out to be from "Fast and Furious".
Christianity is under attack because it brings morals & values to the table & we can have none of that in the NWO, which is controlled by satanic forces.
It doesn't matter what the deal is, the media will ALWAYS start saying stuff like the shooter was a conservative, had issues with the government, is a Christian, rightwing nut job, etc., ALWAYS without any proof & because they beat the truth to the punch, that is what sticks in folks minds.
Remember that when the INVADERS go on a rampage, can't wait to see how that's painted.
False flag is the FIRST thing that came to mind when my wife informed me of a shooting when I walked in the door.
This Really Smells, Again. They will not stop this until they have our guns!
This was a planned attack. Lunatics don't plan their escape route and wear ski masks. I'm betting on Mossad run CIA operatives in town for a few days of relaxation. A media misdirect away from news of Turkey buying black market oil from ISIS, Trump being interviewed by AJ, Bill begging for donation funds for his psychopath wife, etc.
You're right, Christianity is under constant attack. Might as well start shooting the libtards since we're going to get blamed every time a libtard opens fire.
I think it was Atheist terrorism! 1 in 4 people in the USA are in atheist. And this has all the hallmarks of atheist terrorism becuase they have no fear of judgement by God after death fro their evil deeds.Over on Breitbart, the talk quickly turned to other topics:
You and Obama better bring a sh!tload of help when you come try to get my guns outta my cabin, boy. + prepare to crawl home.
Liberalism is like syphilis. It starts off in the genitals but eventually affects the brain.
They are impervious to logic and highly susceptible to propaganda and groupthink.
I sincerely hope that our society recognizes what dangerous lunatics, nutcases and nonproductive parasites liberals are, and President Trump issues executive orders that removes liberals from honest society, to stop this senseless violence and waste. ."Normal people." Now that's funny.
The rapes, murders, and mass killings every few days from liberal nutcases who keep going off the deep end has to stop.
Normal people would be safer and happier without them around.
Notice that none of these right-wingers have criticized or questioned the Saudi factor. I guess that's not something that "normal people" do...
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"Liberalism is like syphilis. It starts off in the genitals but eventually affects the brain."
I like that.
Props to Joe Cannon who warned about the Saudi angle just a few days ago.
So, if a Republican becomes President we are going to kill MORE people? I think we're doing pretty good at that right now.
And, this quote is interesting: "........ NOT ONE person with direct knowledge of the case would have the moral fiber to expose the conspiracy."
Yes! You win the prize, that is exactly how it works.
Imagine a movie wherein an evil and ubiquitous crime syndicate hell-bent on world domination needs to advance an unpopular and unjust agenda against resistance from both the rank-and-file of society as well as those government agents and actors operating under the assumption that all is well and that they know full well who the actual bad guys are. A movie like this might call the antagonist something maniacal like "Spectre", for example.
Within this obviously fictional movie environment, imagine a struggle between those who are part of this conspiracy and those who aren't. In order to keep the lines of battle blurry the syndicate needs to perpetrate a series of events which can then be blamed on their true adversary while simultaneously discrediting and subverting those honest agents and elements aware of the fact that society is being manipulated. How might such an obviously fantastic and contrived work of fiction play out?
In one scene, you could show throngs of average people - an average cross-section of society - enraged and upset at a series of well-documented examples of police brutality, including several examples of videotaped slaughter of innocents which all seemingly go unpunished by the powers that be; a tacit if not explicit form of approval for these draconian methods of social control. The front lines of perception management - the major media apparatus - is overwhelmed by the groundswell of opinion and unable to organically manipulate the debate back into the corner of authority and seems, at least temporarily, to be taking the position of the general public that law enforcement has actually become too aggressive and unaccountable to the public. Sacre bleu!
The scene cuts to an generic-looking, run down house in suburban Baltimore, where an angry African-American ex-con and his girlfriend are alerted to a random knock on the door of their house. Upon opening the door, a seemingly innocuous package delivery man asks if another person lives at this address, to which the ex-con says "no", however when he begins to shut the door he is rushed by a three-man team of agents who subdue the man and woman, while searching the house for a handgun they know the man possesses based on information provided by an all-powerful eavesdropping agency operating fully under the capture of the syndicate.
Continued...
Part II
Upon locating the handgun the man is spirited out of the house through a backdoor and loaded, incapacitated, into the waiting package delivery van, which has the somewhat generic yet familiar sounding name "Urban Delivery Systems" on the side of it. We hear a muffled gunshot from within the house as the scene ends with the three men driving north towards a major metropolitan area with their man in capture.
As the scene moves to the metropolis towards which the van is seen heading at the end of the previous scene, we are shown a police meeting taking place earlier the same morning in which assignments are being given to officers in support of an anti-terrorism training drill being conducted later that day. We then see two honest, hardworking police officers driving to a location where they have been told to sit in their vehicle while they await further orders. Feeling lucky to be receiving double-time pay for an obviously easy paid detail, the officers gladly oblige and set about shooting the breeze, browsing their smartphones, and collecting their paychecks.
Unbeknownst to them, the training exercise in which they're participating has rendered the block they're sitting on devoid of normal foot traffic and instead occupied with agents of the syndicate. Before they even realize what's happening, both are slaughtered in a hail of gunfire while the assailant dutifully proclaims to the nearest passerby that this act is in response to police brutality before spiriting off towards a gas station. What we as the viewer, enjoying the benefit of omniscient narration provided by the movie-going experience, is that the ex-con kidnapped from his residence earlier in now being dispatched with by means of a bullet to his head - fired from the same gun used to shoot his girlfriend and slaughter the officers - while the generic-looking "Urban Delivery Systems" van drives slowly back to an anonymous looking warehouse as unaware law enforcement agents rush to the aid of their fallen comrades.
Within minutes the narrative of police brutality has efficiently and effectively been supplanted by a new narrative - one of criminal thugs with guns murdering innocent cops - FAMILY MEN NO LESS - and the wave of sympathy and support in favor of those protesting police brutality is immediately squashed. Blatant supporting evidence in the form of anticipatory "Friendbook" postings indicate the man's intention to take "two of their for one of ours" and to "give pigs wings" and without further ado or unnecessary scrutiny of the events leading up to this day, the case is closed and the "good" guys can go back to beating innocent people senseless without so much as a hint of sympathy from the controlled media.
Mission Accomplished. Fade to black.
I mean, obviously this is fiction and nobody would believe a movie of this type.
Another leftwing tactic that is going to backfire is pushing the "mass shootings have become commonplace " line. Even if they have, increased voter awareness in a rising violent crime rate will result in more Republicans elected, more expansion of tough on crime / prison industrial complex policies and absolutely no gun control.
For several hours yesterday the female shooter was incorrectly identified on Twitter and elsewhere as "Tayeep bin Ardogan" from Qatar. The LA Times and Fox News even reported this name before the SBDO sheriff set the record straight at the 10pm news conference. Afterwards, that name was a dismissed as a "hoax." But...whose hoax, and for what purpose? Why a name similar to the Turkish president's? And why Qatar?
-Anon1234
James,
Interesting.
Joe,
I always pay attention to what is not discussed. The MSM did not mention the training drill close by. Nor are they asking who the wife was.
Completely lunatic country. Partisan politics has poisoned their brains. Nor can any of them can actually think independently any longer.
That crap aside. This is some scary shit. As it actually does look like the guy went over to SA, and comes back with a radicalized wife (plant?) and then, like robots, they shoot to kill one day. It's going to make the people in this country go ape-shit with all sorts of radical shit.
Meanwhile, the USA government is busy dumping arms off in countries of the ME by the millions. Come on, does no one understand Jung any longer?
The magician's distraction trick. If enough assault weapons already exist in the world ongoing justification to make more and more is created, either artificially or naturally as more automatics mean more deaths and anger and the lust for more assault weapons to protect oneself.
Whatever the spin is in, people died. Sad
You know Joe, between The Guardians work on "The Counted" police murders and killedbypolice.net the estimates were somewhere between 1040 to 1080 respectively. If on average the police murdered 1200 people per year, than that total would be near 17,000 people killed by the boys in blue, cough, I mean paramilitary masked men in black decorated with badge since nine eleven. That's somewhere near 550% more than the Saudi hijackers killed that day.
What I find interesting with the right is the contradiction of how police and their brutal, murderous methods used routinely on the "urban others" is somehow rationalized and justified in their minds while the cops gain their ideological defense and glorification. Yet, at the same time, when something like this happens the same cops get demonized and get lumped into the conspiracy to grab their guns.
This event is certainly weird and something of an anomaly compared to other similar events (i.e. the alleged shooter had not been fired or object of ridicule). Not sure that the gunman was positively ID'ed as the employee who slipped away from the meeting and was later killed, or that his wife was positively ID'ed as a second shooter.
The Saudi/jihadi link is important. The extremist terrorists are generally Sunni,and follow Wahabbi doctrine. But the targets for regime change are secular, and fingers often point at Shia (i.e. Iran) as the source of extremism. That is crazy wrong but that is US foreign policy. And that is why a notion is easily entertained that "terrorism" is actually false flag Operation Gladio style pay-ops designed to push forward an evil Nazi-like agenda for world domination.
I live about a mile from where the mass shooting was. I know one of the survivors who was shot. I want to make a few observations that I think might indicate more people involved than the two shooters that were shot.
As you saw on TV, the area was crawling with police. I was surprised that they could have so many. What you may have missed was at 2:40pm, there was a bomb threat at the hospital where most of the wounded were at. At around 3:15 there was the shoot out with the SUV. I wonder if the bomb threat was an attempt to create a diversion for the SUV.
Secondly, the SUV was going from Redlands, about 5 miles away, back to an area about 1 mile from the scene of the crime. The shoot out at the SUV occurred in a very interesting location. About one or two small blocks away (less than 1/8 of a mile) is Coulston street. On Coulston street there are apartments, and they are filled with muslims. The area is on a short cut I take to avoid traffic. On a summer evening, you can see lots of women with their headscarves on outside in front of the apartments.
Finally, at about 11:00pm last night, the area was still cordoned off with police checkpoints, and there were about 5 helicopters circling the valley. Even today, there is still a police check point that I saw about 15mins ago (12:30am, 12-4-15) in front of the building where the shooting occurred. I haven't gone back to the neighborhood where the SUV was stopped at.
If I had to guess, I'd say that the SUV was headed towards that muslim neighborhood, but didn't make it. Of course that is speculation. But if I'm right, it tends to show that there are more sympathetic muslims in the area. And the persistent high vigilance of the police in the area led me to believe that they are looking for more suspects, whether shooters or just accomplices.
There has been some local talk that Redlands, where the shooters lived, has been selected as a Syrian refugee relocation center by Homeland Security. Supposedly they made that selection because there is already a large middle east community, which is true. There are a lot of their businesses (mainly restaurants, hookah bars, and markets) around the area. I think right now, there is a lot of knee jerk blame the NRA, but it will be interesting to see if the locals buy that argument. I hope we don't look back on this and see it as part of a new wave of domestic muslim terrorism.
I live about a mile from where the mass shooting was. I know one of the survivors who was shot. I want to make a few observations that I think might indicate more people involved than the two shooters that were shot.
As you saw on TV, the area was crawling with police. I was surprised that they could have so many. What you may have missed was at 2:40pm, there was a bomb threat at the hospital where most of the wounded were at. At around 3:15 there was the shoot out with the SUV. I wonder if the bomb threat was an attempt to create a diversion for the SUV.
Secondly, the SUV was going from Redlands, about 5 miles away, back to an area about 1 mile from the scene of the crime. The shoot out at the SUV occurred in a very interesting location. About one or two small blocks away (less than 1/8 of a mile) is Coulston street. On Coulston street there are apartments, and they are filled with muslims. The area is on a short cut I take to avoid traffic. On a summer evening, you can see lots of women with their headscarves on outside in front of the apartments.
Finally, at about 11:00pm last night, the area was still cordoned off with police checkpoints, and there were about 5 helicopters circling the valley. Even today, there is still a police check point that I saw about 15mins ago (12:30am, 12-4-15) in front of the building where the shooting occurred. I haven't gone back to the neighborhood where the SUV was stopped at.
If I had to guess, I'd say that the SUV was headed towards that muslim neighborhood, but didn't make it. Of course that is speculation. But if I'm right, it tends to show that there are more sympathetic muslims in the area. And the persistent high vigilance of the police in the area led me to believe that they are looking for more suspects, whether shooters or just accomplices.
There has been some local talk that Redlands, where the shooters lived, has been selected as a Syrian refugee relocation center by Homeland Security. Supposedly they made that selection because there is already a large middle east community, which is true. There are a lot of their businesses (mainly restaurants, hookah bars, and markets) around the area. I think right now, there is a lot of knee jerk blame the NRA, but it will be interesting to see if the locals buy that argument. I hope we don't look back on this and see it as part of a new wave of domestic muslim terrorism.
The point of these Sunni terror,attacks is to keep the USA at war in the Middle East killing Shia. Of course this is what Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, UAE, Turkey all want. All of those countries are Sunni majority. Iran, Syria are Shia majority. Sunni terrorists blow shit up around the world and dumb as bricks Americans kill Shias in ME to support Arab monarchies creating all the terrorists.
After the cops catch a terrorist why do they always say from Saudi Arabia? Why were the 9/11 hijackers apparently all Saudi? I thought Syria and Iran were the big terrorist threat. If so then where are all of the fucking Iranian and Syrian terrorists? Why are they coming mostly from our allies? Why is Turkey the source of ISIS funding and border crossings into Syria?
Because this is all a big fat GLADIO operation. A lie.
What was 9/11 other than a plot by Sunnies and western militaries to get USA quagmired in ME killing the enemies of Arab monarchies and Israel? Notice how ME is not getting more secular but rather more fascist? That is by design.
Next up for destabilization. USA and Europe apparently.
"Tayeep bin Ardogan" is surely a deliberate reference to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Arabic, the language spoken in Qatar, does not have a "p" sound. (Piece in 'Al Jazeera'.)
Russia and Turkey are accusing each other of buying oil from Daesh, or in media parlance, "involvement in the ISIS oil trade".
Erdogan's people in Turkey certainly are.
Russia? I don't know. It seems that Russian and Turkish interests are at loggerheads at the main border where Daesh are exporting their oil, namely the border between Syria, or what used to be Syria, and Turkey.
The Chechen angle in Daeshland needs to be looked at. By the sound of Chechen leader Kadyrov's offer to send Chechen troops to fight Daesh, the Chechens who are already there, fighting on the same side as Daesh, or perhaps even as part of Daesh, look as though they're anti-Kadyrov.
But let's not forget the mercenary soldier angle.
Anonymous (2.04am) mentioned Shia. People should be aware that Daesh view all Shiites as apostates deserving only to be murdered. They say so in their magazine, 'Dabiq'. (There is, though, a question mark over whether that magazine is actually theirs or fake. A magazine similar in its style called 'Inspire', supposedly by Al Qaeda, was said by the Iranian authorities to be a CIA fake.)
As I understand it, Daesh tolerate Christians so long as they pay a special tax.
They also - again, going by their magazine - want a truce with the US, and I imagine they or their paymasters are already talking with the US.
Surprise, surprise, surprise! The alleged female patsy, er shooter, conveniently left a "Friendbook" posting shortly before Wednesday's massacre wherein she pledged her support for ISIS. It's amazing how the Empire is always able to generate cassus belli whenever it needs it, isn't it?
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