Tuesday, April 07, 2009

"State Secrets": Obama and the NSA

Well, you probably already know by now that President Hopeful has blocked legal challenges to government wiretapping by invoking the mantra "state secrets." Sounds awfully Bushian, does it not?

I wondered how the die-hard Obama fan squad would rationalize this behavior. As I've often said, strained rationalization is my favorite form of humor.

Actually, if you visit Obotland, you'll find that most commenters do not engage in rationalization. Most progs seem pissed off. However, some O-fans valiantly try to maintain faith in the Lightbringer. Check out the action on D.U.:
I am just hoping he's doing this to have the court strike this use of secrecy Because I'd say there's a good chance the court will. 70-30 percent I'd say.
Obama needs to be able to tap the phones of right wing conspiracy nutjobs The Birthers, the anti-abortion militants, the "Tea Party" crowds and nutjobs who propound nonsense like that cop killer in Pittsburgh and last year's Knoxville church shooter. These people have shown themselves to be dangerous and unhinged.
He should use the wiretapping to investigate right-wing hate groups, skin-heads, and KKK folks. It would help his own safety.
I wonder if having this program declared illegal would jeopardize prosecutions in the works.
I just think I will let the President make some decisions without asking us first. I think he has his reasons and you make a point that some of us "non-lawyers" may not be aware of or even considered.
I want an explanation before I jump to conclusions
There is no right to privacy on a public line... You can still have secret private communication with others in private.
Obama has not beaten, tortured or killed anyone with wiretapping... The greatest threats are real but Obama wiretapping should not be a problem.
Give Obama a break... Just because he is wrong in one issue doesn't mean he is equal to Bush.
Personally i think he wants to get it into the supreme court... The only way to permanently shut this down after all would be for them to rule against this. And in all seriousness, what do people think would happen if Obama announced that he would be 'protecting' warrantless wiretaps for the purpose of having the supreme court close the door on him?
It's not the man, it's the damn machine they put the POTUS into
As noted earlier, most of the D.U.-ers are outraged at this "state secrets" tactic. But only one of the geniuses contributing to that thread has managed to dope out the real reason behind Obama's move.

The big secret -- which isn't all that secret, what with it being discussed in the New York Times and all -- has to do with the nature of the NSA's new technology:
Hard to do when you're tapping 120 million domestic phone calls, e-mails, and Internet surfs at any one moment.

Certainly, every international communication gets intercepted and stored. It all gets vacuumed up and fed through NSA computers that rank-order it for a number of criteria.

If there are any red-flags, the "hit" goes to secondary analysis, where somebody may actually read or listen to bits and pieces, and then move it along to another analyst. This is supposed to be done anonymously. If the NSA analyst (or contractor) determines the communication is among "persons of interest", then it will be forwarded to another agency, likely FBI or CIA, depending upon whether it's domestic or foreign. If a warrant is required, this only happens after three-four-five intermediate levels of review. Any intercepted data of any potential interest or value gets warehoused.

That's what they don't want you to know.

They're unlikely to close this thing down. Ever.
Maybe the person who wrote those words used to read Cannonfire.

In previous posts, we have discussed the case of Russell Tice, the only former NSA employee to discuss the NSA's mind-bending current capabilities. Here's what Tice told the NYT about what I have called the Mother of All Eavesdropping Programs:
I've thought about this for a while, and as I said, I can't tell you how things are done, but I can foresee it, especially with what we've seen now. We're finding out that NSA conducted surveillance on U.S. citizens. And FISA could have been used but wasn't, was sidestepped. No one even made the attempt to see if they had a problem they could have fixed through FISA.

That would lead one to ask the question: "Why did they omit the FISA court?"

I would think one reason that is possible is that perhaps a system already existed that you could do this with, and all you had to do is change the venue. And if that's the case, and this system was a broad brush system, a vacuum cleaner that just sucks things up, this huge systematic approach to monitoring these calls, processing them, and filtering them—then ultimately a machine does 98.8 percent of your work. What you come out with from a haystack is a shoebox full of straw. Once you have that, you have people that can look at it.

Now here's an interesting question: If this approach was used, and hundreds of thousands if not millions of communications were processed in that manner, and then if and when the truth ever came out, a lawyer—and I think lawyers are going to be arguing semantics in this case—the argument could be made, well, if a machine was doing the looking and the sucking in, it doesn't matter because that's not monitoring until a human looks at it.
And this was my response:
Now, when Tice talks about "foreseeing" something, he really means "I need to use a semantic dodge in order to stay out of trouble."

What we are talking about is, I believe, an already-existent system which sucks in everything: All landline phone calls, all cell phone calls (although many argue that VOIP is still secure), all email, all driver's license information, all transaction records, all credit histories. Everything. From everyone.

The MAEP scoops it all up. Data-mining techniques winnow it down.
That's the "state secret" Obama will not discuss in public. No, I'm not rationalizing his move: An explanation is not an excuse. We need to have candid public debate over the NSA's new capabilities.

11 comments:

Perry Logan said...

Also, a Democratic administration might not want to relinquish their wire-tapping powers because of the "soft on crime, soft on terrorism" accusations that would inevitably be used against them if some terrorist incident or other security problem came up.

In such a case, the Right would say "He weakened America! He tore down a system that would have snagged the terrorists." This consideration might dissuade even a very liberal adminstration to leave the wiretapping in place. Democrats always have to watch their butts.

Anonymous said...

Bless your little heart Perry! Those poor Democrats must be protected from doing anything Democratic and constutitionally considered a citizens right. What a savior we have in BZero removing all those pesky rules that make a D a D so they don't have to take a verbal drubbing. MOG

willyjsimmons said...

I find Perry's explanation to be even fouler than the likely truth.

That the government has been (prior to 9/11) putting us in the "Matrix".

Once upon a time (a few years ago), you could search for the "Matrix" and get some links to various government sponsored programs.

Yes, one of the documents literally called the program the "Matrix". The combination of several programs that were referred to as "test programs" at the time.(supposedly ended? successful or was it a failure?)

Some of it is documented in the legislative record. (the term "Matrix" was never used in any of the bills though)

The government gets access to all available databases in the country (world?), and a computer program uses that info to cross reference against info gathered from communications using vocal recognition software and the like.

Anonymous said...

Your response fits with what Mr. Tice had told Keith about the system.

It follows that the 'financial sector' accounts for untold 'state secrets'. Whatever the banksters did/do has been 'known'. Coincidentally, the house came crashing down when the ACLU persisted in its lawsuit. Is is a Mexican standoff: You got the goods on us, but we got the goods, all of it, so what else you got?

And, BTW, remember when the Swiss bank was 'ordered' to reveal its account holders' ID's? What ever happened next?

Joseph Cannon said...

Look, folks, I'm saying that we need to re-think our wiretapping laws now that we appear to have a system that scoops up EVERYTHING. Because if they are taking in EVERYTHING, can we we even use the word "wiretapping" any more? Methinks we are on a whole new level, where we need new terminology.

Gary McGowan said...

Pull. the. fucking. rug. out. from. under. them.

William K. Black, the former senior regulator who cracked down on banks during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s.

Video
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

Transcript
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/transcript2.html

Essential follow up - William K. Black on The Prompt Corrective Action Law
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2009/04/william_k_black_on_the_prompt.html

willyjsimmons said...

Still "wiretapping", technically.

Whether the info is recorded on cassette or digitally scooped up by a computer and stored in a database.

Wiretapping 2.0 beta?

New Features:

Data Mining.
Voice Recognition.
Improved compatibility with Windows Vista.
Smart Tabs.
Plug-in Support.

Anonymous said...

James Bamford recently expressed the opinion that the wholesale data-hoovering was actually degrading the quality of available intelligence because it was flooding the system with no-value data.

Anonymous said...

You left out one of the O-bots' arguments: "There's nothing to see here, these are just lawyers doing their jobs. They don't represent the Obama administration, they are simply defending the government in a lawsuit, and they don't actually believe anything they say. Pay no attention, it's all meaningless."

Anonymous said...

I know from the family I was in for more than 26 years that the criminal wiretapping system was to help manage the Federal criminal operations activity. This supports preparing individuals who oppose their criminal activities for removal. It involves a huge Political Mafia Drug system with dozens of Drug Lords scattered throughout the US.

A few on the list are:

Adreani & O'Connor Families in Chicago area.
Mexico drug plane used for US 'rendition' flights: report
Sep 4, 2008http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j6QonBKKMo2gw1e3ql-xUcQEZbVg

Louis Cichon, Mchenry IL known as the Midwest's largest Cocaine Drug Lord.

Please keep in mind that Obama while working at the law firm in the 90's while i was married assisted the Adreani's with setting up their Drug Distribution business in Florida. The family often talked about the Bush family's involvement in the Drug system.

There are others for another time.

Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL

Bubba Grizzly said...

Well, instead of "wiretapping", you could rename it as Filter Feeding... And instead of calling us Citizens, we will be known as Krill for the Big Fish.