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Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Mind blowing
My mind is going...my mind is going... I can feel it... I can feel it... There is no question about it. Stop, Dave. Please stop. My mind is going...
17 comments:
Anonymous
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Man, I must be spoiled. I would swear on a stack of Bibles I never heard Oregon voters, even the Obama fans, say anything that stupid about either Democrats or Republicans. So that was shocking and painful to watch for me.
Very cruel, Joe. Very cruel indeed to expose something like this to your readers early in the morning. Your blog, starting with a "C" and arranged alphabetically in my bookmarks, is one of the first things I notice in the morning.
I am not surprised by these people's responses. I do believe, however, that the question about Ayers - just based on their body language says they were all a bunch of liars. The RNC and McCain need to watch this video cuz it shud let them know what a piss poor, crap job they did in selling themselves to the American public.
Is it still fair if none of them had a receiver bulging under their jackets and an earpiece? The only question everyone got right (except the NY Times reader, who pronounced both t's in 'Colbert Report') - where do you get your news? - was the one I missed.
The coarseness and the stupidity he brought out in Democratic voters is astonishing to me. A lovely friend of mine - a college English professor - elegant, erudite and informed, called me a "stupid bitch" for opposing Obama. Oh, but she thinks the stories about Rezko buying the property is pure BS dreamed up the Republicans.
She told another friend of mine to "shut up", she wanted to believe he was the avatar of hope and enlightenment, and didn't want my friend killing her buzz.
Crazy. In 25 years, i have never heard this woman tell anyone to shut up or use the word "bitch".
This ignorance on display is typical of average Americans, who in the main are low information voters. Both sides. Red state and blue state voters, Dems and Republicans.
One Republican voter got on Youtube stating he had gone to vote for President Bush to have another term in office. Once he found out that wasn't possible, that Bush couldn't serve a third term, he left his presidential choice blank. Just as this sample n = 1 is meaningless, so is sample n = 12.
It should go without saying that if your sample population is n = 12, you have no business attributing those results to 67 million people.
Did this video auteur attribute this level of ignorance to 67 million voters? No and yes. No, because it wasn't done explicitly. Yes, because if he is NOT making that point, then this mini-survey is meaningless. That certainly was his point.
xislander, i have no trouble believing that one could have made a similarly hilarious (or depressing) video about McCain voters.
Do I think that we can fairly extrapolate from the interview subjects on display here to the majority of voters? Well...let's put it this way:
When Jay Leno does a similar routine -- exposing the ignorance of the man in the street -- he does not have to search far to find material. At least, that is what he has said in interviews, and others who work for the Tonight show had seconded that assertion. There's much less of a winnowing process than we might wish. They find dolts right away.
Years ago, a friend of mine complained that about dating what he called "Alaska" girls. I asked him what that term meant. He said that he had come up with a test to determine a woman's date-worthiness. He asked young women a simple question: "Where is Alaska?" The vast, vast, VAST majority said that Alaska was an island in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Mexico, near Hawaii.
Why did they say such a thing? Because that is where the INSET MAP of Alaska was placed on the wall map of the United States hanging in the classroom.
If I recall correctly a PEW research poll just before the 2004 election found that a majority of voters, and an extremely large majority of Republicans believed all sorts of things that simply weren't true. For example, a majority believed Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11. A majority believed WMDs had been found in Iraq. A majority believed the world supported the invasion of Iraq ... and so on and so on.
The problem with democracy is the ignorant get to vote. I guess what we can hope for is both sides being as ignorant as each other and balancing each other out?
I think the video gives the wrecking ball to a favorite Obamaite talking point: That they were the elect, the elite, the educated voters, the onces who understood deep policy nuances, while Hillary's supporters were a bunch of racist tobacco-spitting rednecks who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Well, it's good to pierce their insufferable balloons and this is a humorous way to do it, so I say good on'em. The one thing Obamanation cannot abide is humor directed at it.
Let's see if I get this right: this video alone = doesn't mean anything. This video + personal anectodes = meaningful data. C'mon, Joseph, you're better than this.
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Man, I must be spoiled. I would swear on a stack of Bibles I never heard Oregon voters, even the Obama fans, say anything that stupid about either Democrats or Republicans. So that was shocking and painful to watch for me.
That explains a lot
Very cruel, Joe.
Very cruel indeed to expose something like this to your readers early in the morning.
Your blog, starting with a "C" and arranged alphabetically in my bookmarks, is one of the first things I notice in the morning.
That just made my migraine worse. I am somehow appalled yet not surprised.
The media really does select the next president.
I am not surprised by these people's responses. I do believe, however, that the question about Ayers - just based on their body language says they were all a bunch of liars.
The RNC and McCain need to watch this video cuz it shud let them know what a piss poor, crap job they did in selling themselves to the American public.
Is it still fair if none of them had a receiver bulging under their jackets and an earpiece? The only question everyone got right (except the NY Times reader, who pronounced both t's in 'Colbert Report') - where do you get your news? - was the one I missed.
Well, I remember Dubya voters being equally clueless, and how even Democrats bought into a bunch of pure b.s. about Gore.
In that case, too, it was the media's decisions about which stories to pursue and which to brush under the rug that made the difference.
The coarseness and the stupidity he brought out in Democratic voters is astonishing to me. A lovely friend of mine - a college English professor - elegant, erudite and informed, called me a "stupid bitch" for opposing Obama. Oh, but she thinks the stories about Rezko buying the property is pure BS dreamed up the Republicans.
She told another friend of mine to "shut up", she wanted to believe he was the avatar of hope and enlightenment, and didn't want my friend killing her buzz.
Crazy. In 25 years, i have never heard this woman tell anyone to shut up or use the word "bitch".
Totally NOT surprised! We've been saying this since IOWA!
This ignorance on display is typical of average Americans, who in the main are low information voters. Both sides. Red state and blue state voters, Dems and Republicans.
One Republican voter got on Youtube stating he had gone to vote for President Bush to have another term in office. Once he found out that wasn't possible, that Bush couldn't serve a third term, he left his presidential choice blank. Just as this sample n = 1 is meaningless, so is sample n = 12.
It should go without saying that if your sample population is n = 12, you have no business attributing those results to 67 million people.
Did this video auteur attribute this level of ignorance to 67 million voters? No and yes. No, because it wasn't done explicitly. Yes, because if he is NOT making that point, then this mini-survey is meaningless. That certainly was his point.
XIslander
xislander, i have no trouble believing that one could have made a similarly hilarious (or depressing) video about McCain voters.
Do I think that we can fairly extrapolate from the interview subjects on display here to the majority of voters? Well...let's put it this way:
When Jay Leno does a similar routine -- exposing the ignorance of the man in the street -- he does not have to search far to find material. At least, that is what he has said in interviews, and others who work for the Tonight show had seconded that assertion. There's much less of a winnowing process than we might wish. They find dolts right away.
Years ago, a friend of mine complained that about dating what he called "Alaska" girls. I asked him what that term meant. He said that he had come up with a test to determine a woman's date-worthiness. He asked young women a simple question: "Where is Alaska?" The vast, vast, VAST majority said that Alaska was an island in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Mexico, near Hawaii.
Why did they say such a thing? Because that is where the INSET MAP of Alaska was placed on the wall map of the United States hanging in the classroom.
I'm not kidding. Try the test yourself.
If I recall correctly a PEW research poll just before the 2004 election found that a majority of voters, and an extremely large majority of Republicans believed all sorts of things that simply weren't true. For example, a majority believed Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11. A majority believed WMDs had been found in Iraq. A majority believed the world supported the invasion of Iraq ... and so on and so on.
The problem with democracy is the ignorant get to vote. I guess what we can hope for is both sides being as ignorant as each other and balancing each other out?
Somerby has lifetime job security.
The vast, vast, VAST majority said that Alaska was an island in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Mexico, near Hawaii.
Why did they say such a thing? Because that is where the INSET MAP of Alaska was placed on the wall map of the United States hanging in the classroom.
LOL! That made me shoot the coffee out of my nose (somewhat painful)!
XIslander
Of course you could ask McCain or Palin supporters the same questions and they wouldn't know the answers either.
So what is the point? Sour grapes? I wanted Hillary, but all I got was a bunch of these ignoramuses spitting vitriole about the Clintons.
I'm in wait and see mode.
I think that video is such sour grapes though.
I think the video gives the wrecking ball to a favorite Obamaite talking point: That they were the elect, the elite, the educated voters, the onces who understood deep policy nuances, while Hillary's supporters were a bunch of racist tobacco-spitting rednecks who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Well, it's good to pierce their insufferable balloons and this is a humorous way to do it, so I say good on'em. The one thing Obamanation cannot abide is humor directed at it.
Just so you know, you're promoting a a right wing push poll conducted by Zogby.
Let's see if I get this right: this video alone = doesn't mean anything. This video + personal anectodes = meaningful data. C'mon, Joseph, you're better than this.
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