Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of ATF's Nashville field office, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.88 is neo-Nazi slang for "Heil Hitler." H is the eighth letter of the alphabet; thus, 88 = HH. But 14? I can't think of a fascist "hero" with the initials AD. Perhaps 14 refers to N (the fourteenth letter), which stands for Nazi? That's just a guess. Does anyone know for certain?
Monday, October 27, 2008
88 I get, but 14...?
I just saw this story an an alleged white supremacist plot to kill Obama and many other black people. (I hesitate to call it a "skinhead" plot, since my own noggin is pretty shiny these days.) Although the scheme doesn't seem to have been very practical, we should thank the BATF for scooping up these young fools before they attempted to do harm. Here's the part that confounded me:
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The fourteen words of David Lane?
"We must secure the future of our people and a future for white children"
Or:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_14-88.asp
This numeral represents the phrase "14 words," the number of words in an expression that has become the battle cry and rallying slogan for the white supremacist movement: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." This expression was coined by the now imprisoned David Lane, a long-time racist and member of The Order, a far-right revolutionary group based in the Northwest, that was responsible for a number of bank robberies, the bombing of a synagogue and the murder of Denver radio talk-show host Alan Berg in the 1980s.
Perhaps the "14" is shorthand for this:
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2007/07/neo-nazi-14-words-painted-on-cross.html
14 is used by Norteno gangs in the southwest, but that's the only connotation I'm aware of.
I was wondering though, were these geniuses planning on blowing up the Sears Tower too? Cuz this "plot" seems to be pretty sketchy.
It's presumably a reference to "the 14 Words" - in turn a reference to a quote (well, of sorts) from Mein Kampf. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
Here it is, in the link you posted:
"The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler.""
That is news to me, but I don't hang out with skinheads.
This is also kinda frustrating, as most skinheads aren't racists. The neo-Nazi ones ("boneheads" to other skins) just get the most press. SHARPs aren't going to be happy with that headline.
Here's my take on the story:
http://myiq2xu.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/were-they-planning-on-blowing-up-the-sears-tower-too/
Okay, but what was up with the white tuxedos and top hats?
“Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt,” the court complaint states. “Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt.”
Which one was supposed to be Ginger?
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Seriously, what have these losers done except shoot off their mouths? This is a plot? Puh-leese.
Interesting on the numbers.
Everyone knows the "72 virgins" promised to Islamic martyrs in their...heaven.
I always wondered about that until I learned there are also 28 pubescent boys promised to them, too.
An even 100.
"K" has a history of being an "evil" letter, too....I've not yet found out whether the KKK knew of that when forging their symbols.
Yes, I concur with myiq (who might want to spellcheck "morons" to maintain his nym's bragging rights) ---that Florida case was the first thing I thought of with this latest "assassination attempt" narrative.
These two morans deserved to be arrested but they are hardly the menace the headlines portray them as.
Yes, Zee, I spelled it "morans" and I did it intentionally because that's an inside-blogging thing, like "teh" and "pwned"
Staunch supporters of our God-given right to bear arms, those Nazi skinheads.
According to media reports, these two didn't even know each other until a month ago.
This reminds me of that band of "terrorists" who met in a storage unit in Florida to drink beer and plot against the United States. They were so inept that after they were arrested the FBI falsified documents to cover its own mistakes and then sacked a whistleblower who told the truth.
So far there is NO evidence these two idiot skinheads had any serious weaponry or had engaged in anything more than wild fantasies. And yet they have made the front page and we are supposed to feel terribly afraid for the Innocent One they plotted against.
The media has chosen our next president. Why won't you go along?
This was a purposely planted story. Why would the ATF release this information before the election?
"this latest "assassination attempt" narrative..."
I think we'll see a lot of this, every two-bit threat that the Secret Service investigates as a matter of turn, as a means of establishing fear and fostering obedience. I find this "Obama is a mythic hero in daaaanger!" narrative possibly the single most creepy thing in the whole cult of personality, and his followers have been using it for some time now.
In the War on Terra, it was at least A Threat To Our Way of Life that was used to keep discourse in line. Now, it's just the dear leader himself -- he will become the focus of all our striving.
This type of thing will be used repeatedly.
I agree, it's too conveniently timed to provide a boost of new fervor for The One. OMG, we almost lost Him!!
If me and a friend decided to steal a nuclear weapon and use to hold LA hostage for a billion dollars, but first we had to
1. Steal guns
2. Commit several robberies to raise operating cash
3. Buy or steal vehicles and equiptment
4. Find out where the nuclear weapons were kept and figure out how to steal them
and we got busted before we completed step #1, do you think the headlines would say "Nuclear extortion plot foiled?"
Oh, gee....what a "moran" I am. I guess I'm not one of the cool insider internet kids.
Is "if me and a friend" also hip insider "grammer?"
Is it kind of like rolling cigarette packs up inside one's teeshirt sleeve? Or wearing one's pants falling down past one's butt? I'm wearing dorky pants up to my waist.
Say...did you catch that Boston Legal this week? I think you should get a blog 2xu to let you take David E. Kelly to task for slamming the good people of Utah for tolerating child abusive polygamy. We should tolerate forced child harems because it's a cult(ure) and (cult)ures should be honored and let thrive.
Did you catch my eecummings insider thing???
:)
Zee:
If you want to stalk me why not come by Klownhaus and leave poor Joe's blog alone?
It sounds to me like it was two guys - with two guns between them - were overheard talking...I figure they were drunk and bitching, and somebody wanted to get some cash or cred by turning them in for allegedly brewing a 'plot'.
Now it was a threat, sure, but in the FBI guidelines, didn't there used to be something about "credible" in there...?
SR
[Sergei Rostov]
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