This recent comment
on MSNBC sums up the progblog position:
Hillary's supporters are not needed by Obama. He'll have enough votes without them. Those fat old poor white women can go pound salt.
Yep, all 18 million of 'em should just go away
This, despite the fact that John Kerry's margin of defeat (or victory) in 2004 was razor thin. Keep in mind: At a similar point in that campaign, Kerry had a significant lead over GWB. Obi's lead over McCain has shrunk, and may soon exist only on the molecular level. In a year that should be a Dem "gimme," Obi struggles to run neck and neck.
Despite all of that, his supporters want fewer
Why, then, does the PUMA movement arouse so much fury in Obot-land? After all, the bots spent months
calling for a party purge. Even Donna Brazile
said as much to a Hillary supporter, in a letter dated May 7, 2008:
Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it.
...Message to the base: stay home.
This bit comes from Donna's famous brouhaha with Paul Begala:
A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base...
Y'see, Donna and Obi have done such a marvelous
job of expanding the base that they don't need the PUMAs.
So I can't understand the anti-PUMA rancor. Instead of sending us death threats, why don't the bots thank
us? We simply did what we were told to do: We left. On Democratic Underground, Kos, and Huffington Post, on all the prog-blogs, the message was loud and clear:
We can win without them.
We can win without them - but only by realizing what is actually at stake, and redoubling our own efforts for grassroots fundraising, volunteering, and being steadfast about our candidate, and our campaign.
"Do you believe Obama can become President without the votes of folks who support Hillary?"
good riddance. You *should* leave the party. And people like you.
good riddance to bad trash, as granny would say.
The numbers of hysterical, crazed old females who have emotionally latched on to Hillary is simply a phenomenon that can't be denied. I don't know what is causing this but it's REAL and can't be swept under the rug. There's a BIG bunch of unhinged, old white females, far beyond self-embarrassment, who are acting like screeching Hags for Hill.
Obama does not have a white problem, he has a backwater inbred ignorant racist appalachian hillbilly problem. And we can win without them.
Gosh, and they wonder why the Hillary voters feel insulted...
You mean old white women? Yes, I do think that Obama can win without them.
As for their “threats” not to vote for Obama; I say good rithens. Not only do I not care if these people come around to support Obama or not, I would rather these vile, narrow minded, perpetrators of hate associated with the Democratic party, or Barack Obama.
I say F*ck 'Em. If they want to split the party and go their own way then more power to them. We don't need their sour grapes. Maybe the Puma's shouldn't be in the party anymore.
Good bye, good luck, and good riddance.
Good riddance. I'd prefer working on winning back the greens.
We can win without them, and we ought to! These are the same voters (perhaps a generation removed) that Nixon's southern strategy, and Reagan announcement speech in philidelphia mississippi declaring a "return to local control", were dog-whistles too...
And they wonder why the party fractured...
The following comes from Obama's own site:
These people are not Democrats they are Hillacrats. So I encourage them to vote McCain b/c with party members who are loyal to their candidate first and party second especially when that candidate has done as much as HRC and especially when that opponent is a Republican. We are better off without them, and I could care less who doesn't agree.
This, too, comes from the official Obama site -- from a writer who insists that Hillary Clinton was "destroying" the Democratic party:
Who cares if older white women stay home? Got news for you. With the coalition Obama has put together we can win without them.
Remember the "assassination" smear?
If they are complicit in assassination tallk by their candidate, who the hell wants their votes in the first place. We can win without them. I suspect not that many will go for McCain as they threaten with a new found power they think they have and if they do, the next book out will be entitled: What Is The Matter With Feminists?
LEAVE the party and form your own party. I think that a third of the Hillary supporters will either leave the party or stay home in November which is, in the final analysis, good for the Democratic Party because it will “purge” the party of the fetters of conservatism/negativism that keeps the party in disarray.
Hillary was never more than Bush in a dress, and her supporters were never more than the George Wallace / Joe Lieberman wing of the Party with a large dash of untreated menopausal psychosis.NEVER FORGET THAT COMMENT. NEVER FORGIVE IT.
It's not about his supporters reaching out or being kind. Hopefully, we can win without them by making sure that we register as many new voters as possible...
In part, I agree. Obots have not shown any willingness to reach out or to be kind.
What would be the point of kissing azz for some old hags/bigots? Again, they will not vote for him under any circumstance. He can win without them!!
Here's an interesting variant:
If Obama doesn't win because the party is split, racism, or whatever, then so be it.
So PUMA is all about racism. It has nothing to do with Obama's infinitude of lies, his documented ties to crooks, or the vile smear tactics of the Obots. Isn't it nice to have an all-purpose excuse?
Back to the we-don't-need-no-stinkin'-PUMAs
Obama can with her supporters or without them ....they have no power ...they hold no sway ....they are meaningless ...
I'm sure the 'bitter' working class will come around.
Obama doesn't owe them anything and can win without them.
We are not going to solve these problems by pandering to fools and bigots.
Obama can win without them and then he owes them nothing.
But again, these people are, simply, Hillary Clinton fans - as in, fanatics - and are not to be confused with Democrats.
Let’s let this voting bloc leave the party once and for all.
We don't need Hillary's supporters! They can go on and vote for McCain!
The truth is we can win without them, but they can't win without us...
This entire struggle with the corporate wing of the Democratic party may get ugly, but it is worth the fight.
she nursed the views of these crazies....Hillary made this mess.
Ah yes. The CUTI principle: Create Unity Through Insult.
We don't need Hillary's supporters!
We don't need Hillary's supporters!
We can win without their help!
Blue collar white folks are not TYPICAL Democrats... Obama can win without them.
if the supporters of Sen. Clinton's should leave the Dem Party they would simply bid good riddance to them.
And all you people who say you have been lifelong democrats, but if Hillary gets the nomination, you will become republicans–I say good riddance.
To the people above who are threatening to leave the party (or -- ha -- the country) if Obama's the nominee, I know I'm not the only person whose response is: GOOD RIDDANCE!
The point I want to make is that we can win without them.
Fortunately, the Democratic coalition has expanded in recent years, and, as such, we no longer have to consider pandering to the worst elements of that bloc. We can win without them, and we will...
I will not be kissing the behinds of her supporters because I believe we CAN win without them!
This was published on the official Obama site just a couple of days ago...
We can win without them.
I say better off....
These clueless idiots still think that Republicans
created the PUMA movement!
...those all-important "working class Americans, white Americans" that support Clinton are nothing more than ignorant rednecks. I think we can win without them because no true democrat would vote for McCain, the ones that say they will may never have been democrats in the first place, we don't know that, they could be republican females who crossed over to vote for the female candidate.
Fair-weather Dems: Don't let the door hit you ...
This next variant originally appeared on Obama's site. It was purged, but Google has a long memory:
All I can say to these whiny losers is please vote for McCain. We don't want you!...I never felt that a bunch of uneducated mobilehome dwelling hillbillies are representative of America anyway. On your way out, please don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you!
don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Anyone who would vote for McCain, just because Hillary lost, don’t let the door hit you. The Democrats nether want nor care a shit about voters like yourself.
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out of th party.
Obama should send her packing and tell her, "Let the door hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'!"
That last one was directed at Hillary, not her supporters. Guess who published it? Josh Marshall
. Later, the same author emphasized that the same sentiment applies to Hillary's 18 million supporters:
The bile of Hillary's dwindling constituency is a marvel to behold.
Again, don't let the door knob hit ya' ....
Now take your unprofessional remarks and your unprofessional wife and her unprofessional supporters and GO AWAY!
Go. The. Fuck. Away.
Note to all the whacked out Clinton supporters out there--please join the GOP immediately. I love to hear all the racist stuff from you guys too. Very enlightening. Your candidate sucks, she is a lying pro-war self-serving political hack.
A variant meme holds that PUMAs were Republicans all along -- thus, their loss should be considered no loss at all:
a lot of Hillary "supporters" in these exit polls are Republicans in disguise who voted for her because of Rush Limbaugh. They wouldn't vote for Hillary or Obama come November.
I'm sure they realize her millions of cast vote's were also partly a Rush Limbaugh gift....Many democrat's would not have voted if she were the nomination. I find it ridiculous we are still discussing her and her lousy husband. They have no ability to run anything let alone a country. The World detest's this couple with a passion...
Yeah, that Bill Clinton. He just ruined
the economy. And what about all those massive protest marches against him, all throughout Europe and elsewhere? The world detested him, all right.
It's obvious that her die hard "supporters" were largely Republican operatives
Stop it, with the "healing the Democratic Party and win the general election..." B.S
You obviously have difficulty recognizing reality, just like your queen Hillary. Whether you like it or not, Hillary is despised by the majority of the nation
Uh huh. Then why does she do better than Obama against McCain, according to all available polls?
we can win without them. I think Obama puts the Dems in that position.
I don't see a "conspiracy theory" at all, just a nascent campaign to narrow party definition - the beginnings of a purge that some people would cheer.
Obama will win AR, FL, MS, NC, and many other states in the South. That’s a fact. He can win states Hillary cannot when all those ‘agents of intolerance’ stay home.
Hillary supporters, needless Democrats.
Also these Republican trolls masquerading as disaffected Hillary supporters are laughable and aren't fooling anyone.
Hillary supporters are Republican-lites to begin with. They never would have voted for a real Democrat in any case.
If some of Hillary's supporters say they won't back Obama if he is the nominee, so be it. It's their choice.
They can win without them if they increase their appeal to young people and independents which Obama has done with unprecedented success.
Uh huh. How's that attitude working out for you?
Dont worry Obama you can win WITHOUT them.
Many of these examples (and we could cite a hundred more) come from the Huffington Post. I'm toying with writing a song or a poem about dear Arianna. A sample couplet:"And who is a Democrat? I shall define.
I've been here two hours but the party is MINE!"
Never forget: The Obots created PUMA.
Kos created it, Arianna created it, Marshall created it, Aravosis created it, their readers created it, the Obamabots created it. They knew that Obama could not win in a fair fight, so they race-baited, they smeared, they lied, they commandeered the caucus vote, they held illegal secret meetings and they rigged the DNC rules. They became, in short, Republicans.
In 2000, the Republicans told me: "Get over it." I never did.
In 2004, the Republicans told me: "Get over it." I never did.
In 2008, the Obots keep telling me:"Get over it." I never will.
You brought it on yourselves, Obots. After half-a-year's worth of eliminationist rhetoric and cries for a party purge, we finally left.You brought it on yourselves. Don't you dare blame PUMA on the Republicans.PS:
I can't resist printing this example
of Obot hallucination from June 6:
Clinton is a pathological liar. McBush will continue the unconstitutional wars and warrantless spying on Americans. Obama is the clear choice.
Let's talk about pathological lying, shall we...?