tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post2145510994408025828..comments2024-03-24T15:27:49.804-04:00Comments on CANNONFIRE: OWS: Here's the message you've all been waiting forJoseph Cannonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10574779960109698980noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-28399211916903852632011-10-10T04:41:26.817-04:002011-10-10T04:41:26.817-04:00Cool post man! Keep it up :)Cool post man! Keep it up :)Mary Lopezhttp://www.quickmusclebuild.com/muscle-gain-truth-review/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-31379833227801430692011-10-08T23:21:49.325-04:002011-10-08T23:21:49.325-04:00Asking for Geithner to be fired without demanding ...Asking for Geithner to be fired without demanding a specific person to replace him shows a lack of resolve. Obama has to know we're looking for more than a token victory.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026314411329924262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-15975792429712313082011-10-08T12:16:33.942-04:002011-10-08T12:16:33.942-04:00Yes, it must be about power.
Political activity o...Yes, it must be about power.<br /><br />Political activity on the internet has been way too much about whining and complaining, and picking candidates to support who turn on us.<br /><br />Carolyn Kay<br />MakeThemAccountable.comCarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01372850688572724835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-62287682305009028262011-10-08T12:01:41.720-04:002011-10-08T12:01:41.720-04:00Anonymous, you didn't read the piece, did you?...Anonymous, you didn't read the piece, did you? I STIPULATED that Obama would probably replace Geithner with someone just as bad. I gave six OTHER reasons for taking this course of action. You may not agree with those six reasons, but you have to read them before dismissing them.<br /><br />You also did not read the rules for posting, or you would not have posted anonymously. I've been lenient about that rule lately, but no more. Try that again and you will not be published.Joseph Cannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574779960109698980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-13677816273448159772011-10-08T11:49:35.880-04:002011-10-08T11:49:35.880-04:00Ridicuously stupid suggestion. I find it hardthat ...Ridicuously stupid suggestion. I find it hardthat believe that you aren't someone just trying to make an ass out of these kids. <br />Any moron would know getting rid of Geitner would just mean Obama replacing him with another corporate hack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-36985600425970664792011-10-07T16:26:33.859-04:002011-10-07T16:26:33.859-04:00This is silly. The reason that Geithner is still ...This is silly. The reason that Geithner is still in office is that the Republicans in the Senate will make it impossible to confirm a replacement who is not many times worse. (And with Congress always in pro forma session, it is impossible to make a recess appointment.) If you think we are in bad shape with a Treasury Secretary you don't like, wait and see how 99% of us will suffer without one. Economic chaos is no friend to people already living paycheck to paycheck (if they are so lucky).<br /><br />Anyway, it's not really clear that your problems with Geithner are factual rather than emotional. <br /><br />Please stop arguing for shooting yourself in the foot because you end up hitting my feet too.BetterDaysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-69666117355253819742011-10-07T15:07:23.001-04:002011-10-07T15:07:23.001-04:00I see some people are not convinced. For what litt...I see some people are not convinced. For what little it is worth I agree entirely. We need to demonstrate to the power brokers in Washington that the mob exists and the mob has power. We need to make an example of one. Once we get one we can get others. Once that happens people will step forward to represent our interests. <br /><br />I think you are 100% right on this.<br /><br /><br />HarryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-66644902977249307112011-10-07T11:29:43.231-04:002011-10-07T11:29:43.231-04:00Interesting post over at Firedoglake about how the...Interesting post over at Firedoglake about how the OWS might be brought down: http://my.firedoglake.com/spocko/2011/10/06/techniques-the-corporate-powers-will-use-to-destroy-the-ows-movement/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-32712340348111617652011-10-07T10:47:04.279-04:002011-10-07T10:47:04.279-04:00It's really all down to Citizens United. Overt...It's really all down to Citizens United. Overturn that ruling, and you've made a really solid first step. Without that, things will not change at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-36088519469870407502011-10-07T09:58:47.601-04:002011-10-07T09:58:47.601-04:00Good idea - but maybe it's be wise allow the m...Good idea - but maybe it's be wise allow the movement to grow even bigger and stronger first. It's still in its infancy really. I'm confident that it has its roots in good fertile ground - it WILL grow, it has to.Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-70537477615484866972011-10-07T08:47:07.683-04:002011-10-07T08:47:07.683-04:00I hate playing cheap games. People should be smar...I hate playing cheap games. People should be smarter. Still, this isn't a bad idea. Geithner is our enemy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-13023797362230685342011-10-07T08:29:50.928-04:002011-10-07T08:29:50.928-04:00No, I want to win very much, Joe.
Which is why I ...No, I want to win very much, Joe.<br /><br />Which is why I think putting out an easily satisfiable demand(you think Obama wouldn't love to find a scapegoat in all this? I know you're smarter than that) is a recipe for disaster. <br /><br />They are winning the narrative war right now, mainly because the MSM has ignored them, and the actual facts on the ground are what people have been learning about(actual age of attendees aside *ahem*) because of the viral videos that have been done. <br /> <br />If they went after Geithner, the media focus will shift(he's one of their own after all, the 1%) and then that's when the negative narratives will start, like how they are provoking the police, and Obama already acquiesced to their demands and they won't go home, what are they terrorists? <br /><br />You just watch. <br /><br />Yes, there are benefits to achieving an easy victory(once again, I think Obama would love to have someone to throw under the bus on this), but I think they far outweighed by the risks. <br /><br />It's not that I think the occupiers would go home if they won, from what I've seen demonstrated so far, they have the tenacity to stick with this thing for the long haul. <br /><br />No, I've just seen too many entities fall under because the MSM directed their fire at them(see Hillary Clinton, Al Gore). I don't want to lose this movement.<br /><br />So their plan of specific policy demands works better to keep the cohesion, because there is no way in hell they will get it all. Which gives them a perfectly legitimate(in the eyes of the media) reason to continue doing what they are doing. <br /><br />You want them to achieve some flashy victory for the benefit of the camera. But as the signs down there say, The Revolution Will NOT Be Televised. <br /><br />The greater victory is in the fact that this is growing, and lasting. And that is a victory that resonates with people, because it's the same thing we do everyday. We get up and go to work, with no reason to believe things will get better, but we do it anyways. Because we have hope, and we know this isn't the way things are supposed to be(regardless of the fact that this is the way things have been for much of history). <br /><br />We have more in common with OWS than we ever will with the New England Patriots, and to turn them into Super Bowl champs is a mistake.Aerylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10442074043571201717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-75574409409704502162011-10-07T08:27:06.325-04:002011-10-07T08:27:06.325-04:00Actually, Peggy Sue, Geithner said a curt "no...Actually, Peggy Sue, Geithner said a curt "no" when asked if he sympathized with the Occupy protesters. He then went on to the White House official response that he did feel "sympathy" for people who were feeling frustrated, etc....Bernanke gave that same answer.<br /><br />Geithner went on to whine about how he can't understand WALL ST not supporting Zerobama after everything that was done for them, so yeah....the White House is very eager to get the fat cats on Zero's side.prowlerzeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16616477931627496836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-83059963765265028782011-10-07T07:31:05.559-04:002011-10-07T07:31:05.559-04:00Geitner out!
HarryGeitner out!<br /><br />HarryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-81783244970788698922011-10-07T01:35:03.898-04:002011-10-07T01:35:03.898-04:00I think it's a very good idea.
It reminds me...I think it's a very good idea. <br /><br />It reminds me of what we saw happen in Egypt after the ouster of Mubarak. Egyptian protesters demanded the ouster of various corrupt interim cabinet ministers. One resignation followed another.Jotmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485510513271661365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-85609779923413282152011-10-06T23:31:10.597-04:002011-10-06T23:31:10.597-04:00Yes Joseph, I do like your suggestion about the bo...Yes Joseph, I do like your suggestion about the boot print on Timmy's backside...I think that the OWS movement does need to embrace a demand that is doable now. <br /><br />I would also add Immelt to the demand as well. He needs a swift kick in the ass...out the door.Minkoff Minxhttp://skydancingblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-83313761349532796062011-10-06T23:14:47.556-04:002011-10-06T23:14:47.556-04:00If you read Cosmopolis by DeLillo this demonstraat...If you read <b>Cosmopolis</b> by DeLillo this demonstraation will fail because the system itself requires this opposition in order to exist. <br /><br />DELillo lays it all our for you in Vija Kinski's speech to Eric Packer mouthing the words of Baudrillard. <br /><br />This is our <b>May 68 </b> of France. To know that this upswelling of feeling is there. But like the Paris May of 68 it will dissipate into naught.<br /><br />Zizek lays out strategy and this is not it.seymourbloggerhttp://httpguerrillablog2.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-42162022927295066582011-10-06T23:07:17.343-04:002011-10-06T23:07:17.343-04:00A hearty F-U to Anonymous @ 7:10
What Joe said, O...A hearty F-U to Anonymous @ 7:10<br /><br />What Joe said, Obama is not a Democrat, let me repeat that for the brain dead, Obama is not a Democrat. <br /><br />Joe, what about some art work to go along with this? <br /><br />Something people could take to the local copy shop and have run off for when Obama comes to stink up the joint where they live.Mr. Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-38047811913104559482011-10-06T22:26:55.882-04:002011-10-06T22:26:55.882-04:00Anon, you're obviously a stranger to this blog...Anon, you're obviously a stranger to this blog. Obama never was on our side. I've been trying to expose him since the beginning of 2008.<br /><br />Everyone else...<br /><br />In the films "Tree of Life," we hear that there are two ways through this world: The way of nature and the way of Grace. <br /><br />Well, speaking as someone only a little younger than Terence Malick, I'm here to tell you that there are two ways through left-wing politics: The way of the hippie and the way of FDR.<br /><br />The hippies accomplished nothing. I know: I was there -- very young, but still aware of what was happening. Even at the time, I knew what they were doing wrong.<br /><br />The hippies were very pure and inclusive and I guess they thought they were being virtuous. They were colorful and fun. But they accomplished nothing. Many of them ended up as Reagan supporters.<br /><br />The New Dealers, by contrast, created Social Security. They created millions of jobs. They created regulations on finance capital. They won the war against Hitler.<br /><br />They got things done. They created the basis for thirty years of post-war prosperity. FDR, and his legacy, improved the lives of millions.<br /><br />If OWS is a hippie movement, count me out. No: Count me as an opponent.<br /><br />If OWS is a New Deal movement, count me in. <br /><br />And before you say it -- no, there is no third way. Stop hallucinating; stop rationalizing. Get real. <br /><br />Do you want to be a hippie, or do you want to be a New Dealer?Joseph Cannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574779960109698980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-80568309442550298952011-10-06T22:10:06.338-04:002011-10-06T22:10:06.338-04:00Really Really Really Dumb.
Geithner may have a to...Really Really Really Dumb.<br /><br />Geithner may have a ton of problems but dammit, he is on our team. Your proposal will do nothing other than gravely weaken the President, to the delight and the great advantage of the Republicans.<br /><br />Fricken' retarded is a better way to put it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-31336800214940130752011-10-06T21:59:57.642-04:002011-10-06T21:59:57.642-04:00People are hurting. These spoiled white kids at t...People are hurting. These spoiled white kids at their cool get-together only feel pain when their parents can't support them anymore. NOBODY outside their group has sympathy for them. Come to my neck of the world and I'll show you real people going through real pain and trying to survive....that means buying food, not taking out another student loan to buy the latest I-phone.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364474203368804347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-70580774851191196162011-10-06T21:50:18.141-04:002011-10-06T21:50:18.141-04:00"I'd ask for the treasury to be completed..."I'd ask for the treasury to be completed emptied of any one that's worked for Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan too.<br />posted by dakinikat : 3:27 PM"<br /><br />Terrific Idea.ANonOMousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-54063528297485262702011-10-06T21:45:29.999-04:002011-10-06T21:45:29.999-04:00Brilliant idea! Focus all their efforts on somethi...Brilliant idea! Focus all their efforts on something pointless that would quickly become attempts to harass one man, knowing full well that OWS is joined at the hip with antispeech foreign criminals. Brilliant! That would not only fully discredit OWS, but might be a great way to discover the IDs of their criminal allies.<br /><br />Anywhoo, for those who want to actually the bad guys for real, consider going after <a href="http://24ahead.com/occupy-wall-street-or-teaparty-which-more-fake" rel="nofollow">the policy all the bad guys can agree on</a>.<br /><br />It's certainly *odd* how OWS seems to be on the wrong side of that policy, the same side that the Kochs, the Chamber of Commerce, and banks are on.LonewackoDotComhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17942733237455764090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-51485836694445926412011-10-06T21:41:37.260-04:002011-10-06T21:41:37.260-04:00Great Idea Joseph. Just looking at Timmy makes my ...Great Idea Joseph. Just looking at Timmy makes my blood boil. <br /><br />Is there any demand that OWS could make of Republicans too that is doable? It would be great to put a boot on the Tea Party faction of the GOP while demands are being made. They do control the HOUSE.<br /><br />FYI...OCCUPY meetups are being organized and actually happening in the deep red SOUTH. This sort of movement would have been totally undoable just 4 short years ago. Unemployment and underemployment are very, very high in the south. Teenagers cannot find employment, older workers who've been laid off can't find employment and young adults are working several jobs just to stay afloat. Minorities are totally out of the employment picture in the south. We're in a helluva shape down here.ANonOMousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6604414.post-56665645160950854532011-10-06T21:38:35.362-04:002011-10-06T21:38:35.362-04:00I think its time we demonstrated the full power of...I think its time we demonstrated the full power of this battle station.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com