Riverdaughter is okay with the idea of a Jim Webb candidacy. Wow.
That's some sort of ultimate test, right?
But one thing I disagree with is Edsall’s characterization of Hillary as polished and over produced. Maybe that was the case early in the 2007-2008 primary campaign season. But as the race became tighter and Florida and Michigan delegate numbers were withheld from her win column to create an artificial narrative that she was always behind, she transformed as a candidate and became much more authentic. We all saw her become a different person.
Agreed. And then she became Secretary of State, and she went all neocon on us. Let's not forget that
There’s another problem with the current Democratic party opinion makers that I think they need to sit and think about. For all the talk about Hillary being in the pockets of the corporate and financial elite, those donors abandoned her in 2008 for Barack Obama. I find it curious that no one wants to talk about that.
That's not quite true. The Wall Streeters gave her a big pile of dough, but they gave Obama an even bigger pile. And then the Obama supporters scored Hillary for taking the Wall Street money while ignoring the lucre also funnelled toward Mr. B.O. At the time, this display of hypocrisy really pissed me off
. And off I still
am pissed. (As Yoda would say.)
Plus, it’s my sense from reading all the commentary in the past 6 years that the gentry elite has never really liked the Clintons. Anglachel had a series of riveting posts on the subject back in 2008 about how the liberal elite thought of the Clintons as Arkansan podunks who didn’t know which soup spoon to use. They were rather too authentic in their support of working class economic issues. Bill was channeling the Jacksonian/Truman wing while the gentry liberals are all Adlai Stevenson. The class issues are stark and the bridge very hard to span.
That's not quite fair to Adlai, but the point is still well-taken. What I always loved best about the Clintons was the way they pissed off both the east coast snobs and the far-right crazies. It's reasonable to say that Bill Clinton was/is in the Andrew Jackson populist mold, although Bill is a lot smarter and a lot saner than ol' Andy was.
This brings us to an interesting question: Now that the Clintons are New Yorkers, and now that Hillary has compiled a neoconnish record -- do they still belong in that tradition?
Believe it or not, there's a lot about Hillary that I like, and there are things about Webb that I do not
like. But Obama's foreign policy has been awful
-- not as awful as McCain's would have been, but awful nevertheless. And Hillary was part of that.