Saturday, April 20, 2013

WHICH foreign country?

I can't help being intrigued by this FBI statement about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the deceased Boston marathon bomber suspect:
Once the FBI learned the identities of the two brothers today, the FBI reviewed its records and determined that in early 2011, a foreign government asked the FBI for information about Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The request stated that it was based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.

In response to this 2011 request, the FBI checked U.S. government databases and other information to look for such things as derogatory telephone communications, possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, associations with other persons of interest, travel history and plans, and education history. The FBI also interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev and family members. The FBI did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign, and those results were provided to the foreign government in the summer of 2011. The FBI requested but did not receive more specific or additional information from the foreign government.
The obvious questions: Which foreign government?

The less obvious question: How did this foreign government learn of Tamerlan's travel plans?

Here's what his mother has to say about the 2011 interrogation:
Speaking to the Wall Street Journal from Makhachkala in Russia's Republic of Dagestan, the pair's father said FBI agents talked to Tamerlan as a "person of interest" in 2011.

He said he was present at the time, but wasn't worried: "They said, 'We know what sites you are on, we know where you are calling, we know everything about you. Everything'. They said, 'we are checking and watching' - that's what they said."
We know that Tamerlan went to Russia in 2012. Although the dates don't quite mesh, it seems likely that Russia was the requesting government. One can easily understand why Russia would track anyone interested in Chechen independence -- but the claim that they knew of Tamerlan's travel plans suggests that they had eavesdropped on his communications with members of a radical group in that country.

The FBI's statement indicates how acclimated we have become to invasions of our privacy. Think about the implications. Upon request, the feds were able to review the web surfing habits and telephone communications (including transcripts?) of a man who (we are told) had not previously been on their radar. Obviously, that sort of thing is possible only if the NSA routinely collects everyone's data all the time, and then mines it afterward as necessary.

It's not as though this snooping prevented the attack.

Is there a larger group?
Three more have been arrested in New Bedford, MA. Allegedly, they are friends of young Dzhokhar -- but so far, the news accounts have not given us any reason as to why these three are considered anything more than acquaintances. Well, there's this:
One neighbor says he had a friendly relationship with Tsarnaev, and the three that were arrested share the same cell phone bill with the bombing suspect.
I'm curious to learn how Tamerlan paid for his travels. His boxing career had failed, as had his college career. So what was the source of income?
About your Beck comments below. Remember all the Right-tard Wing pundits were predicting a Willard-slide victory for republicans. When that didn't happen it was business as usual.
Beck will just go on to his next outrage de jour and his listeners will never be the wiser.

As far as which foreign country its probably Russia. The question is we know Obama has his eye to our keyhole, what about Russian and Israeli intelligence?
All other newsoutlets say the country was not disclosed by the FBI.

The FBI interview I posted above said he was interviewed at the request of a ‘foreign government’ Which one? Russia.

The FBI interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the elder of the brothers suspected in the Boston bombings, in 2011, two U.S. law enforcement officials told ProPublica Friday evening. The FBI agents conducted the inquiry into suspected extremist or terrorist activity at the request of a Russian security agency, the officials said.

“Yes he was interviewed,” a U.S. law enforcement official said. “Nothing derogatory came of it. We reported it back to the other agency, but never got anything as far as further communications from them. There was never any reason to do anything else.”

Not sure if you covered this...

“Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed early Friday after a shootout with police in Watertown, Mass., traveled to Russia for six months in 2012. Law enforcement officials are now conducting a review of that trip to see if Mr. Tsarnaev might have met with extremists or received training from them while abroad, current and former intelligence and law enforcement officials said.”

I just saw this article by Colleen Rowley at RSN:

There is something about this identification and capture that does not feel right to me. I don't trust "the script". But I don't have enough knowledge of Chechnya and its involvement with "terrorism". I did find Rowley's article to be somewhat enlightening. But something is not right about this script.
(pt 1)
If a stated reason for wanting info about him was that he was a "strong believer" in Islam, the requesting country doesn't sound like a Muslim one. That leaves Russia and Israel in.

What foreign power would the FBI act like such lackeys towards, handing over all the info but not seeming to mind when the other party refused to provide requested info in return?

At that time, did knowledge about Tamerlan's travel plans include the info that he was intending to return to the US?

A juicy pipeline runs through Chechenia and Dagestan.

Meanwhile, the Chechen authorities are paying for building the biggest mosque in 1948 Israel, in Abu Ghosh, an Arab village where a number of Chechens are said to reside.

The Wikipedia article on the village is the usual Zionist propaganda, except with the twist that Russian-installed Chechen president Kadyrov is quoted as saying in the context of Abu Ghosh that Chechens settled in the Middle East 500 years ago. I don't know how many did, but it's true that many Chechen people left Chechenia during the long Caucasian war of the 19th century, deported by Stalin in 1940s, or as refugees from the two more recent wars, and thousands of Chechen people now live in Jordan and Syria.

(pt 2 follows)
(pt 2)

Regarding the position in Abu Ghosh, the Chechen nationalists at KavkazCenter (pro-jihad; pro a Caucasian emirate; banned in both Russia and the US; called a Russian FSB asset by some) say something rather different from what the Zionists and the Kadryov government are saying. They say the alleged Chechens in the village aren't Chechens at all. They also note that those who are planning to build the mosque want to name a street after Kadyrov's father, who was killed by Chechen mujahideen.

Can we spell 'pipeline'?

In November 2011, they said that "(n)obody ever suspected the existence of "Chechens" on these territories even several months ago. However, the situation changed after certain agreements have been reached between Moscow and Tel-Aviv. As a result of such collaboration, the frequency of visits of the emissary of Kadyrov to the illegal jew enclave in Palestine surprisingly increased."

They call the view that Chechens settled near al-Quds (Jerusalem) 500 years ago "the opinion of Ramzan Kadyrov's personal guards and Zionist bosses."

I have got to admit, the story about lots of Chechens living in Abu Ghosh does smack of the one about the conversion of a Peruvian Indian tribe to Judaism, mentioned by Israel Shahak. These poor bastards were then 'helped' by being flown to Israel and settled wherever the rulers of Israel considered to be most useful. In the Abu Ghosh case, it sounds as though there has been no actual immigration, but just a relabelling of Circassians as Chechens. Of course I could be mistaken.

Said jihadists continue: "Moscow intends to entrust to "Israel" the organization of paramilitary security services in North Caucasus, who should ensure safety in major tourist areas that are being created by Russian invaders in occupied Caucasus Emirate with the financial support of France."

Before anyone scoffs at that, they should recall the Israeli role in Georgia and the 2008 '5 day war'.

They then refer to the "pagan" Olympic games to be held in Sochi in 2014.

Might those behind the Boston bombing have been sending someone a message about the Sochi games?

Debka are spinning away: "The pair were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which spread across the Russian Caucasian, with the help of certain Saudi financial institutions. Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went over secretly to the radical Islamist networks." They then add that "Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America" - an assertion which would be funny, if it weren't for the fact that we are talking about the utterly non-funny matter of innocent people being blown up in the street.

Tamerlan wasn't a member of the Wai Kru fight club, but got photographed wearing a club shirt. A club member is reported as saying "he's a good boxer and sometimes we give them free shit." With club livery on? Really? According to the owner, John Allan, who is also described as head trainer, Tamerlan was rude to people there when he came back to the club some time later. This suggests that Tamerlan had seriously heavy gang connections.
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