Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee attributed the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in part to restrictions on school prayer and religious materials in the classroom.By this logic, schools in the U.K., France, Belgium, Germany and lots of other places ought to be daily bloodbaths. Atheists are far more plentiful in other western countries, and education is a strictly secular business. Some have even suggested that we ought to label Europe a "post Christian" civilization.
"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News, discussing the murder spree that took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, CT that morning. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"
Law enforcement has released few details on the alleged gunman, but Huckabee suggested that the separation of church and state may have spurred his rampage.
"[W]e've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability -- that we're not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment," Huckabee said. "If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that."
So where's the carnage in European schools, Mike? You have offered us a simple equation: Godless schools = Gore galore. Care to explain why we don't see daily murders in the schoolyards of Paris and London?
(If you ever get the face-to-face opportunity to ask that question of some fundamentalist offering a Huckabee-esque exercise in logic, expect said fundamentalist to switch the subject with a speed reminiscent of Superman on meth.)
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Second mention of this "explanation" I've seen. So it will be drummed up across the rightwing memeisphere.
Another one of these scumbags said "god is a gentleman and doesn't go where he's not invited, and so couldn't save those kids."
Huckabee should be kicked off-air.
Post Christian (or any religion) = one more step up the evolutionary ladder.
To be fair, I was state schooled in England and had daily morning prayer in primary school, and went to a Church of England, but state funded, secondary school, none of which is unusual.
There have been school shootings, though, most famously by the Freemason lad with the connections at Dunblane.
It's not that there's lots of Atheists in Europe, or at least the UK, it's that religion or atheism or whatever isn't seen as important.
Huckabee and his like have abandoned God by abandoning rationality. In the Jewish and Christian traditions, rationalism is a a critical ingredient. God expects man to help himself and his brothers by using his ability to reason.
If you abandon reason you abandon the scriptural tradition of the Old Testament.
Huckabee and his ilk are dickheads. Too dumb to worship and certainly too dumb to listen to. He is a false prophet.
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."
Thats what I think of Huckabee and Christian fundamentalists. Pr*cks.
Harry
"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News(.)
As if the tribal 'God' of what Christians call the Old Testament was opposed to violence!
Why do so many people go to church in the US?
I think this relates to some kind of knowledge on their part, with varying degrees of consciousness, that the secular US - both on and off the TV - is as sick as fuck.
This is perhaps a more useful observation than my cheapshot remark about the Old Testament 'God'.
Joe - it's not as simple as you suggest. Something like the Dunblane massacre which took place in Scotland would be very unlikely to happen in the Republic of Ireland, where schools are totally dominated by the Catholic Church. The fact that the Catholic Church holds such power is related to the absence of such massacres there, however strongly I might oppose and abhor the power of that Church, and regardless of the absence of similar massacres in France where schools have long been secular even if the said Church still retains considerable power in much of the country outside of the schools.
Just to turn Huckabee on his head is Feuerbachian.
Well, b, this is the first time I've been accused of being Feuerbachian.
Not long ago I was accused of being a Catholic apologist.
Of course, I've also been accused of being a Republican op, a socialist, an anti-Semite, a Jew...
Why, I was even once accused of being a KGB agent, long ago. It was so cute!
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