Tuesday, June 07, 2011

Cocky

Many became incensed by my suggestion that a desperate-for-vindication Andrew Breitbart had engaged in a subtle form of blackmail to get what he wanted. Today, Breitbart himself has more or less confirmed that idea, except he's leaving out the subtlety:
When asked by anchor Erica Hill if he has more information to release about Weiner, Breitbart replied, "I have no intention to release any more information. I think that we're heading down the proper path."
The clear message: If we do not head down what Breitbart considers the proper path, other photos will come out. Do we call this "an implied threat" or just "a threat"? The latter, methinks.

Breitbart may hold back data, but others will release it. The New York Post reporter who misrepresented himself to get close to Gennette Cordova -- and then mischaracterized what she said -- exemplifies the new breed of journalism.

Back to Breitbart:
"And the next day, for three days - Saturday, Sunday and Monday, it was excruciating - the plan that he concocted and he's going to have to take responsibility for, and the organized left and the media framed me as the person who was the hacker.
So Anthony Weiner concocted a "plan" to have the "organized left" frame Breitbart...? And we thought Alex Jones was a conspiracy theorist! You think Andy's gonna bring George Soros into this?

(Side note: It has been ages since anyone accused yours truly of being in the pay of Evil Soros. Very disappointing.)

That said, nobody said that Breitbart did any hacking.
"They also falsely accused me of releasing the name of the girl in Seattle. They said that I savaged her. But we chose not to give her name.
Did anyone make that accusation against Breitbart? (I haven't read every story, so I'm honestly not sure.) Was it not Breitbart's sources who ultimately made the name of Gennette Cordova well-known?

Breitbart goes on to say that the Tweeted pic, in and of itself, did not prompt him to publish his story. Rather, he was spurred into action because
He took down all of his photos. The girl in Seattle took down her Facebook page. She took down her - this was all Friday evening.
Breitbart is here implying that Gennette participated in a cover-up. This statement may not qualify as "savaging" Gennette, but it is certainly unwarranted.
"I think we were vindicated at first after a three-day frenzy of trying to attack my journalism,"
His journalism was attacked first and foremost because Breitbart's own tweets indicated that he did not trust his sources, and that he had run the story without vetting the people who provided it. He did not even know the name of the person who fed him the information. Breitbart should own up to his own Twitter record, because that record was the basis of the attacks. Weiner's confession can't change the fact that Breitbart printed first and vetted later. Sloppy journalism is not justified by the final outcome. A bad driver who reaches his destination is still a bad driver.

Breitbart's implied threat goes a long ways toward vindicating my previous post. But don't expect Andrew Breitbart to ride high for long. He's more vulnerable now than ever before, although he doesn't know it. Hubris begets sloppiness. In the immortal (and deliciously appropriate) words of Han Solo: "Don't get cocky."

On a completely unrelated note: Austan Ghouls-bee is gone, baby, gone! O, frabjous day!
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Comments:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't blackmail still illegal?
 
Breitbart a journalist -- really? Since when has he done more than regurgitated the slanted and fabricated tales others have delivered to him?

I still don't know what to make of all this. I was chagrined to see Wiener's press conference yesterday. I totally believed someone might have gained access to his account, because why the hell would a sitting congressman do something that stupid. To hear him say he tweeted the photo to a complete stranger as a joke is beyond stupid, though. How was he to know she would have appreciated whatever dubious humor there is in a photo of his shorts? I'm a woman and would consider receiving such an image from a stranger some form of harassment.

And as you pointed out before Wiener's admission, it's still possible that his relationship with Megan Broussard was a trap. The fact that Breitbart is threatening people from "going after" Broussard is telling. (I'm not saying she should be hounded, but her part in this warrants further scrutiny.)

I don't think Breitbart will release the photo he is holding back, which Broussard said on ABC was of Wiener's naked parts. ABC said it "licensed" the photos it showed from Broussard, which usually means she received some kind of consideration. Did she "license" the photos to Breitbart's site for free? Would she give away the money shot? She could probably get a tidy sum for it from a tabloid.

I hope Weiner hangs in there, just to be obstinate, but have a feeling that the House investigation will show he used government assets (phone and BlackBerry) so he'll be reprimanded or perhaps worse.
 
His journalism?? Oy! Hubris is alive and well.

Breitbart takes unvetted sources as a rule, not the exception. That's not to let Weiner off the hook. He was stupid and made himself vulnerable by acting out in what ever you call this digital age nonsense. And being absolutely reckless.

But please, let us 'not' confuse Breitbart with the word journalism, even the compromised version we're living with these days. The self-righteous almost always fall into the same trap--zinging those stones in all directions until their own houses shatter and come tumbling down.

As for Obama's economic advisors? It's the revolving door!
 
Hubris begets sloppiness.

The corollary: having a lot of influential friends in the media enables a man to cover-up a heck of a lot of sloppiness.

Perhaps Weiner isn't the only powerful person the guy is blackmailing at this time. What if the scale and scope of the operation that trapped Weiner is altogether more vast?
 
hey susie, don't you remember? IOKIYAR.

catlady
 
Right, you guys. Breitbart is the villain in this story. No matter whether the "perp" himself admits what really happened, you won't let go. Because, unlike Weiner, you can't admit you were wrong.

Blackmail involves extorting something of value from someone else. Well, I guess you could say that silence from that arrogant gasbag Weiner is worth a lot.
 
Anthony Weiner needs to show the photo to his friend on the Daily Show and copyright the photo. Andrew Breitbart has been on the Hannity Show and said he showed the photo to several people. Too telling, in 'showing' and well, he will release the photo!

Anthony Weiner should donate any money from the reprints of the photo to charity...one good cause would be HIV prevention! In the UK FaceBook was seen as a contact for people being treated for STDs...

The longer Anthony Weiner thinks that Andrew Breitbart is an honorable person, the bigger fool his constituents will see him for and not the smart legislator he based his career on.
 
Why are you still posting?

Hang your head and crawl away.
 
Joe, I've been enjoying the sudden influx of jack asses commenting on here. In time, they will all be gone.

This story interests me most in that I can't see why anyone cares about such things anymore. If he used government resources to do this, well, does that really matter either? Are there government employees who don't use government resources for personal things? I seriously doubt it. In any case, the whole thing stinks from top to bottom, and it's not just Weiner that is guilty of shenanigans of some sort or other here. I still think you have the best, least biased explanation for events here. Agree about the fact that people admit to bad things they never did all the time, when it will keep them from getting nailed for even worse things.
 
Joseph, check out Glenn Greenwald's latest. It pretty much sums up my feelings about the whole thing. Our press is pathetic and this is one of the best examples of that to date.
 
Anonymous@10:44:

Under US law, Weiner owns the copyright to the photo already, assuming he was the photographer. He doesn't need to take any action to secure the right.

I'm thinking he should sue Breitbart for infringement.
 
Gus:

Our press is not "pathetic", they're "corrupt". There's a difference.
 
Shirley Sherrod Sues Andrew Breitbart Over Video

A statement issued on his website says Breitbart "categorically rejects the transparent effort to chill his constitutionally protected free speech and, to reiterate, looks forward to exercising his full and broad discovery rights." The statement also says that Larry O'Connor, the head of Breitbart.tv, was named in the suit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/14/shirley-sherrod-sues-andrew-breitbart_n_822704.html
 
Why would a Congressman do something this stupid? Arrogance, hubris are possibilities. He may be a really sick puppy, who finds it easier to have s*x long distance, through m@sturbation stimulated by non-physical interaction with strangers. Not uncommon as one might think and hard to stop if one has this problem. If that is true, he should not have married -- or entered Congress.

djmm
 
Joe - People weren't "incensed" over your claim that Breitbart engaged in blackmail over Weiner. The ones who can't stand you were crowing that you are sounding loonier than ever. The ones who like your blog (myself included) are simply saddened to see you keep digging the credibility hole you started when you decided to defend Weiner to the limits of credulity and beyond.

And, Joe - it is not blackmail when someone demands that another person do the right thing and tell the truth or they'll do it for them. You should save your fire for Breitbart for when he actually does screw up. (Although you've probably blown your chance now to be credible in uncovering any bad behavior in that regard).

Finally, if I were you, I would stop using the term "hubris" to refer to others in light of the past week of your posts and the denouement. It takes someone lacking a fair amount of self-awareness to be proven so wrong so spectacularly in a public forum and then blithely accuse the person who was right of hubris.
 
"He may be a really sick puppy, who finds it easier to have s*x long distance, through m@sturbation stimulated by non-physical interaction with strangers."

First, there's no reason to hide the word "masturbation." Everyone reading these words knows the practice intimately.

Just guessing, but: If you were famous -- if columnists wrote about the women you dated, if you had to worry about paparazzi, if you had to worry about gossip -- you might well learn to appreciate (and perhaps prefer) online relationships. Nothing sick about it, really.

And we're not necessarily talking about what they call cybersex: For many men, seduction is sexier than sex itself.

Might one become addicted to cyber relationships? Yeah. But an addict always learns all the tricks.

You don't use Twitter, which is simply too porous. Frankly, even email would be a bad idea for someone famous.

Is IRC still around? I think so. I don't know if those AOL chat rooms are ongoing. In fact, learning that AOL was still in business came as something of a surprise. But there has to be some other forum or app like that out there where people can meet anonymously. (More or less anonymously: There are geeks who can trace IPs.)

My old boss was positive that Second Life was going to revolutionize the internet. It didn't. But it's still around, and provides a way for people to meet other people.

Bottom line: Even if you are unfamous and unattached, you should never give up a cloak of anonymity until you get to know the other person.

And honestly, I have never met anyone in my entire life who would send a dick shot (non-anonymously) to a woman he did not know and whose reaction he could not predict. Perhaps your experience of "pervs" is wider than mine?
 
->
New liberal fans: Meet Anthony Weiner, ultra-hawkish backer of Israel

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/06/01/anthony_weiner_israel_liberals

Seems like some have wasted bit of
effort these last days.
 
No matter what you say about that scumsucking, sleazebag Andy Breitbart, the two of you sing from the very same hymnbook when you turn to page 911.

Reluctant Drudge Fan
 
Joseph,

Congratulations!

You made the top 6.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/268984/conspiracy-theories-revisited

As much as you hate Breitbart, he wasn't to blame for any of this, Weiner is.

You keep digging your hole deeper with accusations of blackmail.

If Breitbart said something like this, it would not be blackmail. "X event happened. Either you tell the media about it or I will."

However, if Breitbart said, "X event happened either give me $$$ or I tell everyone." Then you have a case for blackmail.

- Wodun
 
run dmc: "And, Joe - it is not blackmail when someone demands that another person do the right thing and tell the truth or they'll do it for them."

Arguably, "blackmail" is "le mot juste." If not, suggest another mot. When no crime has been committed, why should we grant Breitbart the right to determine what is the right thing and who should say what?

"You should save your fire for Breitbart for when he actually does screw up."

I rarely have written about Breitbart in the past, and actually, I've rarely spoken about him in connection with this. There were only one or two posts (if memory serves) about the O'Keefe thing, and none at all about Sharrod. Although I have indeed used the term "Breitbart's crew" (and similar terms) for his sources. But since he himself was obviously fretting about those sources, that's hardly controversial.

However, right now he is proffering a really wacky theory that Weiner masterminded a conspiracy against him (Breitbart). Why should anyone be afraid to call him out on that?

Wanna talk about credibility? Previously, Breitbart has posited an ultra-paranoid theories that the entire left-wing media is somehow the creation of the Soviet Union. Seriously:

http://politicalforum.net/showthread.php?913-Andrew-Breitbart-Media-Conspiracy-Theorist-Hypocrite

By comparison:

I wrote about the Yfrog security hole. That turned out to be correct. Yfrog changed their policies. I pointed to the work, done by Tommy Christopher and others, on "Dan Wolfe" and Mike Slate. Nobody has seriously questioned Christopher's reporting. And yes, I still think that no-one in his right mind would send a crotch shot to a woman he does not know and whose reaction he cannot gauge. I think Weiner just wants the business behind him, and I think that he was worried that Breitbart would release the as-yet unseen photo.

Do you honestly think that THOSE are weird opinons? Meanwhile, Breitbart's "Soviet" theory is NOT weird?

By what standard?

If Breitbart can be basking in newfound media "credibility" after he has barked out all sorts of weird John Birchian nonsense, I have nothing to worry about. Even a writer who argues that the Incredible Hulk is real would still have more credibility than Breitbart.

And if our culture has deteriorated to the point where outrageous John Birchian paranoia is considered non-controversial -- again, why worry? It's all going to hell in a handbasket anyways. So just speak your mind, then sit back and watch the apocalypse.

I write to write. Never cared about the audience. When you start caring about whether people like you, you stop being free.

If you've been here before, you know that.
 
Wodun, thanks for that. Did you see Breitbart's Hannity interview, where he says -- entirely without evidence -- that Weiner masterminded the Kos crew to engage in a conspiracy against him?

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/breitbart-i-released-rep-weiner-photos-vindication

Also, did you see this from Breitbart:

http://politicalforum.net/showthread.php?913-Andrew-Breitbart-Media-Conspiracy-Theorist-Hypocrite

"America is in a media war. It is an extension of the Cold War that never ended but simply shifted to an electronic front. The war between freedom and statism ended geographically when the Berlin Wall fell. But the existential battle never ceased. When the Soviet Union disintegrated, the battle simply took a different form. Instead of missiles the new weapon was language and education, and the international left had successfully constructed a global infrastructure to get its message out.

"Schools. Newspapers. Network news. Art. Music. Film. Television. For decades the left understood the importance of education, art, and messaging. Oprah Winfrey gets it. David Geffen gets it. President Barack Obama gets it. Bono gets it. Even Corey Feldman gets it".

Do you REALLY want to talk about who is and who is not a conspiracy theorist?
 
"And yes, I still think that no-one in his right mind would send a crotch shot to a woman he does not know and whose reaction he cannot gauge. I think Weiner just wants the business behind him, and I think that he was worried that Breitbart would release the as-yet unseen photo."

In other words, you think that Rep. Weiner is either mentally unstable or he is now lying about sending the famous crotch shot. That pretty much sums it up, right?
 
It is somewhat ironic: The counter-revolutionary "party" HAS naturally taken at face value what Marx/Engels
wrote in The Manifesto : All of history is a history of class struggle."
"THE" left has NOT yet understood this.
So, conceptual ideologists -like Breitbart- are actually right. Its named "preemptive counterevolution"-
If You are not with them, You are against them. They ACT on it.
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"In other words, you think that Rep. Weiner is either mentally unstable or he is now lying about sending the famous crotch shot. That pretty much sums it up, right?"

Heh heh. Well, at least you needed only about three or four restatements of my position to be able to summarize it with reasonable accuracy. That puts you ahead of numerous others. Why do these things always turn into reading comprehension tests?

Let me clear: I do not think for one second that Weiner is mentally unstable. He just came to enjoy the game of seduction and wanted to continue to play that game without the bother and hassle of a physical relationship.

With Breitbart holding that photo in reserve, I think Weiner will say whatever it takes to make sure that it stays hidden.

One (antagonistic) reader has suggested that the threat of revealing that hidden photo (and perhaps worse) could affect Weiner's policy. That idea has started to gnaw at me. If the policy stances change, then we shall have to presume that something serious has occurred behind the scenes. But so far, I don't think it will come to that.
 
"Heh heh. Well, at least you needed only about three or four restatements of my position to be able to summarize it with reasonable accuracy. That puts you ahead of numerous others. Why do these things always turn into reading comprehension tests?"

My reason is that I think that what you are suggesting seems so laughably absurd that it is necessary to make sure you are actually saying what I think you're saying. You really do think that Rep. Weiner sent multiple suggestive photos of himself to young women who aren't his wife...but not the one that you are convinced was a hack of some sort. You believe this because "[your] brain refuses to accept the possibility" that you were wrong to begin with.

I'm just trying to make sure I know where you stand on this. Thanks for being understanding.
 
Some of your commenters have a serious misunderstanding of blackmail. It's still a criminal offense even if money is not involved. All it takes is some potential damage to the target or a benefit to the blackmailer to make it a crime. Defaming someone while holding out the threat of more damning defamations if they don't go along is certainly blackmail. And the moral basis here is worrying. As Glenn Greenwald points out, this is about targeting people's personal lives. The idiots who believe that politicians should have no privacy are applying the standards of TV soap operas which will result in only practiced fraudsters and criminals running for office. Certainly, no ordinary human being with any kind of human failures (as most of us have), will run the risk of being trashed by unprincipled political opponents in this way. You get what you pay for. If politicians are not permitted to have private lives then you will end up getting only seasoned crooks.
 
Sigh. Now you display reading comprehension problems once again.

"You really do think that Rep. Weiner sent multiple suggestive photos of himself to young women who aren't his wife...but not the one that you are convinced was a hack of some sort."

First, there was nothing wrong with his exchanging photos before his marriage. And as for the post-marriage situation, that is between the congressman and Huma.

Now, here's where you fail to follow me.

I have said, oh, only about one hundred times now that I refuse to believe that

1. Weiner sent a crotch shot non-anonymously,

2. out of the blue to a woman he did not know and whose reaction he could not gauge,

3. using Twitter, a system that places ALL photos on public view,

4. at a time when he knew that his enemies were watching his every move on Twitter.

Got that? Hope you didn't skim. Don't leave anything out. Are we clear?

The other situations to which you made reference were not at all similar. He sent photos of himself piecemeal, starting with innocuous ones and leading up to naughtier ones, to women with whom he was developing an online relationship. He thus got to know them and felt he could trust them.

(Granted, it is an open question whether you ever truly KNOW the other person when you become involved in an online romance. People misrepresent themselves. I discussed this problem in my post. Nevertheless, millions of people are exchanging sexy online communications at this very moment.)

And in all of those other situations he used email, which is private. At least it is SUPPOSED to be private.

Millions of men -- and women, let me assure you -- are capable of acting according to the latter scenario. They will exchange photos with people they trust, using email or DCC or whatever the system is that Yahoo uses.

Nobody within my experience has or could ever do what Weiner confessed to.

I've met some very odd people -- odder than you could possibly imagine. But I never have met anyone who -- openly using his real name -- would send a crotch shot to a woman he does not know and whose reaction he cannot predict. All in a public forum with foes watching his every move.

Weiner's previous online romances shows that he knew the rudiments of self-protection. The fact that the images escaped into the open tells us 1. One or more of the women was not as trustworthy as she seemed, 2. One or more of the woman was a "honeytrap," or 3. One or more email account was hacked.

Can you think of any other possibilities?

I'm not saying you should agree with my argument. I'm saying that you should not mischaracterize the argument even of an enemy. As Oscar Wilde said, quotation can be slander when you gerrymander.

And as for the "confession" -- as I said, I accept all of it except for the part about the night of the 27th. Nevertheless, I would have done just as Weiner had done for the reasons stated in my piece.

If you don't think that anyone would ever admit to a wrong he did not actually commit -- I can link to an astounding article which revealed that 25% of convicts who were freed based on new DNA evidence had actually "confessed" to the crime with which they had been charged.
 
The problem with you left-wing libtards is that you leap to conclusions without any evidence. How much is Soros paying you?
 
Anon 8:26
Do you really not know the difference between a conclusion and speculation, or are there too many syllables in those words?

Purenoiz
 
So let me sum up your theory.

1. Breitbart came into possession of actual incriminating pics actually sent to a woman who is not his wife, including a weinerpic.

2. Rather than just release that information, getting Weiner for something he had him dead to rights on, instead he decided to frame Weiner for something he didn't do.

Does that about sum it up?

Never heard of occam's razor, have you?
 
I'll get to that razor very soon. But first:

We know that photos were available as early as May 12. Breitbart's own sources said so. If Breitbart had released tprivate photos, he would have looked like a slime peddler and many would have sympathized with Weiner, no matter HOW bad the photos were.

This is especially true if the sources had obtained the photos via hacking (you can't discount the possibility, given Mark Slate's bragging about his abilities in that area) or via a ruse (posing as woman online, for example -- which happens a LOT, as you know.)

No, simply releasing the images would have backfired. It was necessary to create a situation where all the professional tut-tutters on teevee could intone "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up..." God knows that we've heard THAT one endlessly -- even though there was, in fact, no crime and no cover-up.

Now let's talk about William of Ockham (NOT Occam -- a mistake I've made myself):

The principle of ontological parsimony (as it was explained to me back in Phil 101) tasks us with fixing on the simplest explanation for ALL the relevant facts. And let's face it -- this is where debates become endless, because everyone argues about which facts are relevant, and everyone argues whether new facts are indeed facts. If I grant you the sole authority to toss away facts as "irrelevant," we might end up in a situation where (say) the only facts left in the basket leave the theory of the Earth-centered solar system as the simplest explanation.

Believe it or not, Ockham never actually said or wrote "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." You've probably never encountered his actual formulation:

"For nothing ought to be posited without a reason given, unless it is self-evident (literally, known through itself) or known by experience or proved by the authority of Sacred Scripture."

Kinda different from the version you learned in school, huh?

The point, of course, is this: If you cite Ockham, you stipulate that "known by experience" is a valid criterion. And thus we come back to our present argument.

It is outside of my experience (and yours, if you are honest) that any man, especially a public figure, would non-anonymously send a crotch shot to a woman he does not know and cannot trust, via a system that simultaneously transmits that image to the world at large, even though he knows that foes are watching his every mood.

Thus, the words of William of Ockham compel me to work toward another explanation. Something simpler.

Hacking is pretty simple.

Perhaps now you would care to apply the principle of ontological parsimony to the following statement by Andrew Breitbart?

"America is in a media war. It is an extension of the Cold War that never ended but simply shifted to an electronic front. The war between freedom and statism ended geographically when the Berlin Wall fell. But the existential battle never ceased. When the Soviet Union disintegrated, the battle simply took a different form. Instead of missiles the new weapon was language and education, and the international left had successfully constructed a global infrastructure to get its message out."

In other words: There are people in the American media who say things that Breitbart doesn't like, and so we should blame the international communist conspiracy.

Why is it that nobody speaks of Ockham's razor when we hear shit like THAT?
 
Joe

> It is outside of my experience (and yours, if you are honest) that any man, especially a public figure, would non-anonymously send a crotch shot to a woman he does not know and cannot trust, via a system that simultaneously transmits that image to the world at large, even though he knows that foes are watching his every mood.

But isn't the flaw in your argument that you are trusting when they say they didn't know each other? Let's not forget that Gennette Nicole called him her "boyfriend." and weiner tweeted about the time in seattle. and she retweeted that tweet.

Isn't the simpler explanation that he is a lying politician and she would rather avoid being known as a politician's cyberhoochie?

And again, why would breitbart frame him for a "crime" he didn't commit when you stipulate he had him dead to rights on the something else?

And no i don't think breitbart cares if he is called a slime merchant. he seems to love liberal hate these days. if he wanted to cover his tracks there are far simpler ways than hacking his twitter account.

The reality is you are in love with your theory, and are refusing to let go.

But seriously, you have talked yourself into a corner where literally no proof could ever satisfy you.
 
Susie

btw, generally the laws on extortion require you to threaten to do an unlawful thing.
 
"My reason is that I think that what you are suggesting seems so laughably absurd that it is necessary to make sure you are actually saying what I think you're saying."

THAT is by far the most illiterate sentence ever written on your commentary. It is apparent THAT someone missed the class on Strunk & White and other elements of style. That, or the monkeys employed by HB Gary are just poo-lobbing troglodytes.
 
A. Worthing: So we're back to calling Gennette a liar. The whole argument depends on that.

Well, I see no reason to go there.
 
Tools other than "Ockham's razor"
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" Of course the method of presentation must differ in form from that of inquiry.
The latter has to appropriate the material in detail, to analyse its different forms of development, to trace out their inner connexion.
Only after this work is done, can the actual movement be adequately described.
If this is done successfully, if the life of the subject-matter is ideally reflected as in a mirror,
then it may appear as if we had before us a mere a priori construction.

My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite.
To Hegel, the life process of the human brain, i.e., the process of thinking, which, under the name of “the Idea,” he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of “the Idea.”
With me, on the contrary,
the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind,
and translated into forms of thought. "

K. Marx, Afterword to the 2nd edition of the capital I. MEW 23.27

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p3.htm
 
Joe

> A. Worthing: So we're back to calling Gennette a liar. The whole argument depends on that.

> Well, I see no reason to go there.

Right, so we shouldn't call Gennette a liar, instead we should call Breitbart a liar, hacking mastermind and extortionist. Do I about have that right?

Btw, your new post is equally ridiculous. Saying Breitbart is using the photo as a defensive measure is not the same as calling a person a blackmailer. at it means is he is holding fire until shot at. if you were in breitbart's position, you would behave differently?
 
"It is outside of my experience (and yours, if you are honest) that any man, especially a public figure, would non-anonymously send a crotch shot to a woman he does not know and cannot trust, via a system that simultaneously transmits that image to the world at large, even though he knows that foes are watching his every mood.

Thus, the words of William of Ockham compel me to work toward another explanation. Something simpler.

Hacking is pretty simple. "

Joe, So are you now saying he was hacked?!?!? I think a simpler explanation is what he said it was; he was thinking with his member while the little devil(ego) resting on his scrotum was telling him that he could get away with it. Why not...he has admittedly got away with it for six years.

I also think that is logical to conclude that he and the Seattle coed are both lying to put this behind them. Especially when you consider that he had already reached out to the adult movie star to ask for her to lie, in what seems remarkably similar in tone and overall content to her public response.

If Weiner had an (R) next to his name, I am sure you wouldn't dismiss this coincidence or his reference to his appearance on a TV show in Seattle time.

I get that the left hates Breitbart; really, really hates Breitbart. However, it does your arguments a disservice to ignore relevant evidence that speaks to the fact that both of them are probably lying about this.

“A. Worthing: So we're back to calling Gennette a liar. The whole argument depends on that.

Well, I see no reason to go there.

Well…Someone is a liar.
Is it un-PC or wrong to question her statement? Earlier on, I would have said yes, however, the fact that he has tried to tamper with the public response from at least one of his other women should open this up for reasoned discussion. Why shouldn't/couldn't/wouldn't it be questioned now? Weiner defenders have clung to much less solid theories in his defense. (‘It looks more like an ,[choose one] arm, sausage, dildo,etc…) Really, WTF people. Oh, and John Stewart… I would love to strap you up to a lie detector and ask when the last time you saw the Congressman nude in order to make the statement that he was more Anthony and less Weiner. The over/under number starts at 0.

Hell, you even said that you think he was lying about the events of the 27th. You are right, he most likely is lying, however, I think your conclusion is wrong. I think the correct conclusion is that he has been in contact with the Seattle coed before and they are keeping a united front to move past this. Because you are correct, you don’t just send a crotch shot to someone you don’t know at random. (Though it appears that you can easily send it accidently to everyone who follows you on Twitter.)

I also think at the end of the day, if the police’s internet tracking sleuths’ did their thing, your hacking conclusion, as well as Weiner’s career, would be toast.
~j
 
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Monday, June 06, 2011

This post will outrage all of you. I don't care.

(If you came here from BigJournalism or some cognate site, check out my latest. You'll love it!)

Alas, I was (on THIS day, of all days) forced to go out into the world to attend to real life. So I'm playing catch-up here. I didn't hear all of Weiner's confession, but the relevant bits are pretty much inescapable.

I'm told that Andrew Breitbart was on the podium speaking at a time when everyone expected to see Weiner. That must have been quite an odd sight! I don't know what Breitbart said, but summary accounts have made it clear that he wanted everyone to know that he was right all along -- even though (as all now admit) he did not vet his sources until he had run their story.

Yes, it is proven that Anthony Weiner had highly sexualized internet relationships via email and chat with various women. Breitbart has strongly intimated that one of the photos in his possession is very, very explicit. It is fair to presume that this image involves an erection sans underwear.

Breitbart's repeated references to that photo could be taken as a subtle threat to release it.

A while back, in a comment, I said that I would not believe Anthony Weiner himself if he said that he tweeted that picture on the night of the 27th.

I also said that, were I him, I would make that very "confession." Saying "I sent that picture on the 27th" would be the quickest way to get the whole sorry business into the rear view mirror.

I've also said (from nearly the beginning) that I suspected that Breitbart's crew had gained access to one or more photos sent to, or taken by, a woman other than Gennette Cordova. A lot of people shared those suspicions -- which have, of course, been justified.

I became confident that the picture did not depict Anthony Weiner. At least, it appeared that something other than his penis inhabited his underwear. Frankly, it still looks like a shot of a man who is literally playing "hide the salami." After making an embarrassingly close study of various Weiner photographs, I simply could not believe that he's that well-hung. To put the matter crudely. (Many of my readers suggested that he had thrust a forearm into his undies.)

Anthony Weiner today said that he sent the picture via Twitter to Gennette Cordova. He said that he had never spoken to her on a personal level. She tells the same story, and there is no reason to doubt her.

Thus, Weiner made the most amazing confession conceivable: That he just sent a crotch shot out of the blue to someone he did not know. Worse, he used Twitter -- which places all images on public display, even when sent as a direct message. (The example here proves the point; that painting was sent by "Chalice" as a DM, yet it is also public.) Moreover, he did this incredible thing knowing full well that there were political enemies tracking his every move on Twitter.

Sorry.

I don't believe that scenario. I accept every part of his confession except for the statement about the night of the 27th.

I wouldn't believe that part if Weiner personally called me up and insisted.

Lots of guys have made incredibly dumb mistakes when thinking with their "downstairs" brain. Lord knows I have. But I've never encountered a sufferer from "testosterone poisoning" who has ever done anything quite that foolish. Even a private citizen would not (unless protected by anonymity) send out a crotch shot to a woman he did not know.

A congressman...?

My imagination is as good as anyone else's, but my brain refuses to accept the possibility.

Why would he lie about the night of the 27th? Because, as is now established, and as we have all long suspected, there is a lot else in his history that he does not want investigated or discussed further.

In particular, Breitbart has made it clear that he possesses an explicit shot, probably involving an erection. If I were Weiner, I might say anything -- anything -- to forestall that image from being made public.

Breitbart clearly demanded public justification for his decision to run a story based on a shady source whose name he does not know, and whom he himself had come to suspect of malfeasance.

Did Breitbart contact the congressman and blackmail him?

That's hardly necessary. Breitbart's own words this day constitute an implied threat. He has said that he possesses an extremely explicit photo which he would prefer not to show. That as-yet unseen photo constitutes a Sword of Damocles (no pun intended). Perhaps without realizing the implications, Breitbart has today made statements which place him perilously close to the "Charles Augustus Milverton" category.

If I were Weiner, I would have said exactly what he said today, even if I had not sent the picture on the 27th.

Now that he has said what so many wanted him to say, he hopes that the whole affair will go away within a couple of weeks. Perhaps it will. Already, some newsfolk seem bored. (That was fast!) Even one Republican commentator has said that the story won't have legs because no laws were broken and the congressman's constituency will probably forgive him.

Suppose that Weiner had said: "I am guilty of improper relationships with half a dozen women, and I am guilty of sending these women erotic photos, but I did not send that picture to Gennette Cordova on the 27th." What would be the result?

Obviously, the journalistic feeding frenzy would continue for months.

More importantly, Breitbart would, under those circumstances, release the ultra-explicit photo, which probably depicts an erection. That shot would be published ad infinitum for the rest of Weiner's life.

Faced with that rotten choice, I would have gone with the "Get it over with as soon as possible" option.

That said, the question arises: Will the erection photo come out anyways? Probably. The people who possess it cannot be trusted. Breitbart probably won't release it, but someone else may.

I really don't care who gets pissed off by what I'm saying. This blog has pissed off people before. It survived the 2008 attacks.

No-one can deny that a "Get Weiner" conspiracy existed. No one can deny that one member of this group bragged about his knowledge as a "cyber sleuth." As I learned only recently, Twitter passwords are notoriously easy to to crack. There's an inexpensive app that can do the job quickly.

Since most people use one password (or minute variations on that password) across many accounts, anyone who had Weiner's Twitter password would probably have gained access to the man's Yahoo, AOL and Facebook pages. That is probably how the photos came into the possession of Breitbart's sources.

It is noteworthy that, before this scandal blew open, Weiner complained about his Facebook account being "hacked." At least some of the defamatory information concerned a Facebook relationship.

Would I recant what I'm saying here if an IP trace indicated that Weiner sent the Tweet? No. Here's why.

Will I ever apologize to Andrew Breitbart? Only if he goes back in time and erases his whole history.

His brand of sexual "gotcha" journalism and his reliance on iffy sources were hardly justified by anything Weiner said today. When Drudge broke the Monica Lewinski story, he relied on a single source that mainstream journalists had rejected. Just because that story proved true doesn't mean that Drudge acted responsibly, or that he is anything but a slimeball. Why should we hold a differing view of Breitbart?

As noted earlier, I've long known of a potential sexual scandal which, if revealed, could do enormous harm to Barack Obama's White House, even though the story is not about him. I despise Obama. But I won't try to damage his administration (or a Republican administration) via a single-source story about sex -- a story involving no broken laws.

(Incidentally, that story concerns something worse than anything Anthony Weiner spoke about today.)

Will I apologize to Dan Wolfe? No. In the first place, "Dan Wolfe" appears to be a fake name, and one should not apologize to fictional characters. In the second place, I said that Dan Wolfe tried to frame a congressman. Even if we were to stipulate that everything Weiner said today was true, it is still provably the case that the man who called himself Dan Wolfe tried to frame a congressman.

Is it technically possible for the Yfrog exploit (the subject of one of the most popular posts in this blog's history) to be used to create a fake Tweet sent "via Tweetdeck"? Earlier today, I was going to backtrack on that assertion. This morning, however, I received a private communication from someone who claimed to know about hacking. This person insisted that the "sent via Tweetdeck" message can be spoofed. Alas, he didn't go into much detail. I don't know this fellow and don't know if what he says is on the level; he hasn't explained in layman's terms just how one goes about doing such a thing.

But as a matter of general principle, if an IP address can be spoofed, then one can only imagine what else is possible.

Underaged? Let's talk about an issue which, I understand, played some role in the press conference. Weiner was asked how he knew that the women with whom he had sexually-charged communications were, in fact, of age.

That's a damned good point.

This very day, thousands -- perhaps millions -- of men and women all over the globe will have sexualized cyber-dialogue with other men and women. How much do these people truly know about the person on the other side?

I've never told the following story to anyone, and it's pretty easy to guess what use my enemies will make of it. Nevertheless...

Way back in 1995, not long after I first acquired an internet-ready computer, I made the cyber acquaintance of a lady we will here call Madeleine. She claimed to be 44 years old -- older than I was at the time. She also claimed to be a former research scientist living in another state. Our dialogue soon became...hmm. How to put this? It was much (much) heavier than flirtation but could not be classified as cybersex. Although we never exchanged photos or spoke voice, I repeatedly asked to meet her.

This woman was phenomenally articulate, intelligent, well-read and well-traveled. She demonstrated knowledge of foreign languages. Anyone chatting with her would presume that she had been to graduate school.

After some time, we drifted apart.

Two years later, Madeleine contacted me and apologized for her impersonation. She admitted that she was 17 at the time we met online. Seventeen was above the age of consent in her state but not in mine. For the first time, she sent me a photo, and I cringed to see the face of someone young enough to be my daughter.

Sweartagod, I had no idea. She could have fooled anyone.

So...yeah: Trusting the other person is a very real problem.

One final request: I still have not heard the whole of the press conference. Can anyone tell me if Weiner admitted to physical contact with any of the women with whom he had cyber relationships?

Oh...and do I forgive Weiner? Well, doing this research required two Twitter accounts, even though one is too many. That's unforgivable.
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I know! I can't believe that none of these liberals will admit that Sarah was right all along about Paul Revere! History is history, you can't change it just to get some'Gotcha' moment for your ratings. It's like they just have some kind of ideological blinders on that totally prevent them from admitting the egg on their face. Palin 2012!
 
You watch too many movies dude. That's quite the conspiracy theory you have there. Methinks you're about 6 months away from moving into a secluded shack in the woods of Montana

- Jake
 
Oh, there was nothing subtle about Breitbart's threat to publish the photo. It was an explicit threat. He basically demanded that Weiner acknowledge he was right all along. The sociopathy on display in Breitbart's tormenting of Weiner, and his insistance that Weiener comply with his demands on pain of further embarassing revelations, was truly breathtaking. And the same sociopathy is on display among the wingnut/lunatic GOP base.
 
From the Desk of Ms. Vandal:

Sex scandals are recoverable in politics. It is naive to think otherwise. Personally, I do believe that Rep. Wiener is utilizing a page from the 'head 'em off at the pass' (too many puns not to make some unintentionally) playbook.

Pity, really. I had some high hopes for Rep. Wiener, especially in his attempts to dethrone Judge Thomas.
 
"my brain refuses to accept the possibility"

That is EXACTLY what your problem is on this issue. Rep. Weiner openly admitted to having been lying about everything, and because you believed every one of his lies, his admissions must now be the real lies. You couldn't have been duped at first. No, no...of course not.

Do you consider yourself a member of the 'reality-based community'?
 
Wow! I didn't realize that your beliefs concerning this matter amounted to a religion!
 
Dear Joseph,

You are left hopelessly clinging to your thread of a false theory. Exactly like the 9/11 CD conspiracists you ridicule. As G.K. Chesterton said...

Do yourself a favor and take a break from your community-based reality for a while. Not all Democrats are angels, and not all Republicans are devils.

Regards,

5th Level Fighter
 
In the context of everything that's come out, it's pretty clear to me that Weiner sent the photo in question.

When I've strongly invested myself in a belief, and new information comes out, it's hard for me to recognize that I was in error. My mind comes up with all kinds of semi-plausible scenarios to hold onto the core belief (W.V.O Quine's "web of belief" argument is relevant here). That only changes if I really step back and try to gain perspective. The human mind has all kinds of confirmation biases (especially a mind as bullheaded as my own).

Like you, I became convinced that Weiner was framed. There were a lot of pieces that provided circumstantial evidence of this - the ease of spoofing Twitter, the incredible stupidity required for a politician to tweet such a pic, dishonesty on the part of the accusers (e.g. creation date of the file supposedly from Wolfe's browser cache), etc. I haven't commented on the Weiner case (on this blog or elsewhere) up to now - I guess in part because I had some lingering residual doubt (even though I was 98% sure). I thought Weiner likely had something to hide (thus refusing to get the FBI involved, etc.), but that he did not send the pic.

But trying to look at it from some distance - it all seems to make sense. He tweeted the pic in a careless moment, then shortly thereafter tried to delete it. "Wolfe" and crew were obsessively watching his twitter and yfrog accounts and caught it (at least in the screen cap). The exact provenance of the 800x600 version "Wolfe" later submitted is unclear - perhaps "Wolfe" opened it up in some viewer and re-saved it, or it had been independently obtained from the other woman Weiner e-mailed it to, etc. When I re-examine Wolfe's IM conversation with Ladd Ehlinger Jr. and his tweets, along with everything Weiner has said and done, the pieces all fit together (i.e. that Weiner did tweet the pic).
 
Keep after the windmills, Joe.
 
Dear 5th:

Chesterton said THAT? Was there a Father Brown story I missed?

Is it your position that I am a member of a community? WHICH community? I'm a loner by nature.

"Not all Democrats are angels, and not all Republicans are devils...."

You're talking to the guy who fought Obama every step of the way throughout 2008 and counseled readers to vote for McCain in the general. (And I'm also on record as saying, repeatedly, that I wish Hillary had never run -- which is why the PUMA folks always kept their distance.)

Feel free to despise me. But my maverick credentials are beyond dispute. A frequently-seen motto on this blog is "When they give you ruled paper, write the other way."

Some attribute the quote to, er, Chesterton...
 
Joe, Weiner himself admitted he had sent pictures plural, not just to that one women, but to six women over the last few years. I was willing to give the dude the benefit of the doubt when he was insisting his Twitter account had been hacked, but his refusal to involve authorities and not outright saying the images wasn't him made me have some doubts about him.

Sorry Joe, but even liberal dudes can do stuff like that. If it had just been one picture to that one woman I would have been annoyed, but 6 women who were strangers to him that just happened to be following him on Twitter, that's sleazy.
 
At least the National Journal has made the point I've been making for days now: Even if a picture is sent as a Direct Message, it still would be public.

http://nationaljournal.com/how-weiner-fell-into-the-twitter-direct-message-trap-20110606

Weiner had to know that.
 
Looking forward to your expose on the real father of Rielle Hunter's child.
 
Let me get this straight. You find it impossible to believe that a Congressman would be stupid enough to send an errr... inappropriate picture of himself to someone he doesn't know... but you DO believe that he'd take credit for doing it, even if he didn't. That's an amazing perspective you have there. I think you've been looking at Weiner's weiner too much.
 
The stuff about @goatsred (Mike Stack) and @patriotusa76 (Dan Wolfe) hounding Weiner's twitter followers bothers me. They were hounding them well before the 27th and Weiner unfollowed the underage girls before then too. Surely he had to know about the group of people out to get him for his online relationships and wouldn't have struck one up with someone he barely knew and could have been one of them.

Of course doing all this shit on Facebook itself is a really stupid move so maybe Weiner is just dumb.
 
So Weinber is a liar who may not be a liar. He lied about not lying about what he lied about? Come on. If he lied about one thing, he likely lied about everything. I hope that during the next congressional vote when his name is called and he votes, the speaker of the house asks him "Is that your vote or is it another lie!"
 
Lulz

So, since I was a "liar" for being what you thought at the time was wrong, does that make you a liar now?

Go back up and reread what you have written in the context of a birther the day after Obama released his birth certificate. That is where you are right now.
 
lots of lessons we can learn from this "scandal" and the investigation of hacking/hoaxing claims on the internet. this would be a 'textbook case' if there were a course on such things, because so many facts or suspected facts helped one side or the other.

on the hoax side, you had a legitimate way the tweet could be hoaxed (though some effort would be required), one serious enough that the service was taken down for a day to fix it. you also had the worst possible anti-weiner biased axe-to-grind weiner folks pushing the tweet. one is convicted porn peddler who boasts about his cyber detective abilities, who suggested (after being thrown under a bus, albeit) that the other might have faked the tweet. the other is so obessesed with weiner it defies belief, and he just happened to be on twitter looking at weiner's page for the extremely short period of time that this DM appeared.

for me, the unfathomable fact that got me interested in this controversy was that this congressman would upload a dick photo to a public yfrog account. it now seems he really didn't understand how reckless that was. but he was taking many other risks of the same type.

in france, most of the public think dominique strauss-kahn was framed for this rape-the-hotel-maid story. of course that sounds absurd to americans. a lot of americans believed obama wasn't born in the united states. that sounded absurd to many other americans. this weiner case wasn't as extreme as those cases.

ultimately these hoaxes get proven or disproven based on the evidence. even when that evidence is TMI.

you did some good work joseph; there was also some stuff we could have done better, but there's always next time. please look me if you need any help next time you fall down the rabbit hole of internet sleuthing!

cheers,
milo
 
"Joe, Weiner himself admitted he had sent pictures plural, not just to that one women, but to six women over the last few years."

Of course. I stipulated that I had no doubt about that. It is also obvious that at least one of the shots is so extreme that he very much hopes it will never come out. Like it or not, that photo functions as a form of blackmail.
 
"You find it impossible to believe that a Congressman would be stupid enough to send an errr... inappropriate picture of himself to someone he doesn't know... but you DO believe that he'd take credit for doing it, even if he didn't."

I think he's been mousetrapped into confessing to the events of the 27th because the things he did on previous occasions were worse. Specifically, he doesn't want Breitbart to uncover the "explicit" photo in his possession.

There have been cases in the past where people admit to things they did not do. For example, this has been known to happen in the course of plea bargaining.
 
"My brain refuses to accept the possibility" -- that's some pretty nasty cognitive dissonance you're experiencing. Why you're not demanding his immediate resignation is beyond me, cuz the longer he tries to "defend" himself in his hilariously counterproductive manner, the longer this is going to drag on.
 
The Cannon-haters coming here (however briefly) may be amused to learn that my own brother does not agree with the basic thrust of this post. Yet he adds:

"Like the lady on the View said, what guy wouldn't admit to having a bulge like that? I would have gladly taken credit for it but he beat me to it."
 
Joseph, publishing all those comments from the Breitbart fans shows your integrity.

Unfortunately for them, it also shows what asses they are.

okasha
 
I'm just surprised that you think the picture of Weiner's shorts showed someone who was "well hung" - to me, it looked remarkably puny, something I'd be quite embarrassed to let anyone see. But I don't look at other men's junk, I have only myself for comparison.
 
Joseph,

Sorry you had a bad few days but I tried to help you out early.

Your only hope is that there is not a real Dan Wolfe that gets caught up in this Defamation that you engaged here on your blog.

There were crazy people stalking quite a few real Dan Wolfe individuals out there all because of the words of Congressman and a young woman that got caught up in this lie!

Joe
 
Yes, the haters will leave once they're sated on the gloating high. But I have little doubt that Breitbart's moment in the sun will be short lived because he'll continue down the same course, using unvetted sources that feed him juicy dirt on any and all Dems and their supporters.

There's no question that Weiner was ridiculously dumb and irresponsible in what he did and then lied about it, making a bad situation even worse.

But Breitbart is no righteous crusader. At the end of the day, he's still a slimeball with a single 'win' in his catcher's mitt.
 
Guys - Joe Cannon has been doing ALL of this - pushing this completely unbelievable theory of how Weiner was "framed" to generate traffic to a site that has few visitors. No one could be so gullible to push such a ridiculous "hacking" theory to this extent in the face of clear lies on behalf of the person they were defending. At least no one with the minimum brain power needed to excercise the motor skills needed to maintain a blog. Pure and utter publicity stunt is the only explanation for Joe's complete foolishness over the last week.
 
Adding a bit to my 7:23 comment.

For me, it comes down to Occam's razor.
Weiner engaged in sexually explicit exchanges with multiple women he barely knew - incredibly stupid and careless behavior given his political postion (especially given all the politicians - e.g. Spitzer from his own state - recently brought down by sex scandals). And Weiner continued to do so even after receiving public heat in the media (e.g. for his online involvement with porn star Ginger Lee). And his every online move was being obsessively tracked by a rightwing clique.
Hypothesis 1: Incredibly careless behavior involving sexually explicit pics + obsessive observation of his every online move by RW clique.
Hypothesis 2: Incredibly careless behavior involving sexually explicit pics + obsessive observation of his every online move by RW clique + use of a Twitter exploit.

The parsimonious explanation is clear.
In addition, the RW group tracking him had no need to deploy an exploit - they already had gathered plenty of compromising material. In addition, "Wolfe" (in his IM chat, etc.) does not come across as having any technical competence.

Yesterday, Yfrog also came out with a statement, announcing the results of their internal investigation "confirming that our email upload feature has not been compromised in any way". Now you know that in that investigation, they must have specifically examined Weiner's account. The e-mail headers for e-mails to that account would include a trace of the message from its origin - so if a "spoofing" e-mail were sent by someone else (not Weiner) from a different site/provider, that would show up in the e-mail header. Now, Yfrog would potentially have reason to lie - but if all of this came to a federal investigation (quite likely) it would ultimately be exposed (e.g. once the FBI accessed the e-mails) and Yfrog would come out looking terrible.

Again - Occam's razor favors a simple explanation to all of this.

I do have to say that you did a good job of cogently laying out the pro-Weiner case. The "size" argument was a weak point (seemed clear that he had something stuffed in his pants), but everything else was well and carefully examined, tested, and argued (to my mind, much more so than some of the write-ups at Kos - e.g. the Kos "Christian Infowar Militia" expose seemed pretty flawed/weak to me).

Even though I didn't comment on the Weiner case online (prior to today), I'm eating crow on this with my girlfriend (she just sent me an e-mail entitled "I. Told. You. So.").
 
Anon, I let your post see print because it sounds a recurrent motif.

"...to generate traffic to a site that has few visitors."

You're obviously a newcomer here. You must think that everyone in the world is ambitious. Sorry. That's not the case.

I've received a number of requests to appear on the radio and to speak in public. Turned them all down.

I've been asked to write for pay on a couple of well-known sites. The money would be welcome, but not the visibility.

Never once in the seven year history of this site have I asked anyone to place a link to Cannonfire in their blogroll. Everyone who does link to it does so against my stated wishes -- and they know it.

Cannonfire was one of the few blogs listed on Raw Story's blogroll. On the left, most bloggers would KILL for that.

I asked Raw Story to remove the link -- in fact, I FOUGHT with them to remove it! (Contact Raw Story. Someone there should confirm.)

I've also repeatedly asked Memeorandum to delist my site.

I get depressed on the rare occasions when the major media try to quote me. Just recently, Adrienne Jeffries, a reporter for the the New York Observer made a respectful attempt to talk to me. She seemed friendly. I told her to fuck off.

As a point of honor, I've deliberately insulted everyone who has ever tried to be my friend or associate. Just ask Brad Friedman, Larisa Alexandrovna, Lambert at Corrente or Daniel Hopsicker.

I do not network or socialize or advertise.

All liberal bloggers desperate to increase readership go out of their way to kiss the asses of Markos Moulitsas, Josh Marshall and Arianna Huffington. I've heaped opprobrium on Moulitsas and Huffington way, way, WAY more often than I've gone after Andrew Breitbart, Ann Coulter or Drudge. I still kind of like Marshall, even though I've gone after him as well.

In 2008, the Obama cultists came to hate me. If I were desperate for big numbers, I would have stayed on their good side.

Pretty soon thereafter, I went out of my way to piss off the PUMA folk. Some of them accused me of being a secret agent for Obama.

In short, I may be the only blogger in the history of the game who has tried his damnedest to keep stats DOWN. (Except on a very few stories -- and the "Case Closed" post was not one of them.)

I write to write. No other reason. This blog makes no money. I trust you know already that Google adsense is a joke.

Look, you obviously seem to enjoy pigeonholing people. But on both the right and the left, you will occasionally find individuals who resist categorization and abjure collaboration.

Groups are for stupes and all isms are prisons. My only ambition is to gainsay consensus. If a mob shouts X, find some reason to shout "NOT X" -- otherwise, where's the fun?
 
Now that I read that this guy thought a 17 year old was a woman in her 40s I understand this blog! This guy is as gullible as they come. NO 17 YEAR OLD IS THAT GOOD! (and I started college a 16)
 
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...you forgot to mention BANISHING some of your biggest fans and readers, anti-partnering you've done with those blogs once considered peers, and general ornery nature (for a social media entity, Joe, you're quite the misanthrope. But yeah we keep reading because you keep connecting the dots)

My only complaint is that the ball-sackers and other repugs wont read a thesaurus. really, is 'dupes' the best you can do??

lastly, "I may be the only blogger in the history of the game who has tried his damnedest to keep stats DOWN." one of the only... but there are others Joe, almost as ornery and cantankerous as you (but no appreciation of Mahler)
 
"I despise Obama. But I won't try to damage his administration (or a Republican administration). . ."

That, Joseph, is what keeps me coming back here each and every day--because I know that when you state an opinion it's an honestly held one, and so, on those rare occasions that I disagree with you, I am obliged to take a close look at my own position. That's a truly valuable service, almost non-existent elsewhere.
As to Congressman Weiner's confession, I am flabbergasted, bewildered and repelled by it.
 
"No-one can deny that a "Get Weiner" conspiracy existed."

There was no conspiracy. You made it all up. Your story changed as many times as you changed conspiracy theories.

The blame lies with Weiner and no one else. Now is the time to stop dragging other people into this.

- wodun
 
Lol you sure think a lot of yourself. You think anyone cares if you apologize to anyone? If anything you should apologize to your family for being a creepy Internet Cyber-pervert.
 
Joe,

Lots of things stink to high heaven on this one. It felt like playing poker with marked cards all the way along. Still does. Interesting that he hasnt resigned if such a picture exists. After all he is now just a puppet - if he does anything ot annoy his masters that picture can come out.

Harry
 
Pete: Turns out I wasn't the only one she fooled; she had other online paramours who were absolutely flabbergasted to learn the truth.

If she could see your missive, she would first correct your grammar -- hers always managed to be impeccable, even when she typed at lightning speed -- and then she would make a witty joke at your expense. In Russian.

Truth be told, I can't be sure that she was 17 or that the photo she sent me was genuine. Maybe she really was 44. But if she was 17 at the time we first spoke -- well, imagine Lisa Simpson at 17, mixed with a bit of those devilish "Eve" girls from that early X-Files episode.

Y'know what's weird? I'd love to talk with her again (though not romantically). She'd by over 30 now. Hard to imagine.
 
When I read the woman's statement and saw her pictures that were sent to Wiener and then heard her say that she was concerned for her reputation as a "future nurse" so she contacted Brietbart, ALARM BELLS STARTED RINGING IN MY HEAD! Of course, he's a horny old guy, of course he'd respond tpo her pics, calling him HOT and kissing into the camera. SHE DID CONTACT HIM FIRST!
I say SET-UP! Easy to do when you're dealing with someone who probably has image issues. Growing up short and scrawny and funny looking.(I know about that so I can say it).
 
Did the lady in question receive the photo or not? I haven't seen an answer to that. Also like you I thought the undie photo was someone shaking the tree to see what would fall out, but since Rep. Weiner admits to it ...

Either way, it's mission accomplished for the Dark Side, Weiner is besmirched and Breitbart gets his bonafides as a resource for cable news.

When will democrats learn that they have to be better than Caesar's wife?
 
Mr Mike, it was established at the outset that Gennette never received the crotch shot.

"shaking the tree to see what would fall out" -- that's a pretty amusing way to put it. Who'd a thunk that the oak was so mighty? Even the Weiner despisers seem flummoxed by that.

As for Breitbart -- he is more vulnerable now than ever before. The press conference made clear that he has established a close relationship with Mr. Hugh Bris. You know what happens to HIS friends.

Glenn: Any woman concerned for her reputation as a future anything would not come forward to discuss a private online relationship.
 
so your theory is that there are much worse pics of weiner out there which is why he copped to the current ones? hardly a vindication...
 
Hugh Bris?
Any relation to Bris Mohel?
 
If the other photo - the one Weiner seems to have been blackmailed with - does come out, and it does show his penis, then the world will know that whatever was under those grey underpants was NOT his penis.

That's unless, of course, his wedding tackle is at least 15 times the average volume of the male member and starts on one side of his body rather than in the middle. Which I think is unlikely.

If I'm wrong, and the crotch shot shows it in its flaccid state, then when it's erect he could probably balance a plate on it and use it as an umbrella.

Anyway, that's him out of the NY mayoral race, just as Strauss-Kahn is out of the French presidential race. Politics is dirty. Hold the front page. Who's next?
 
Anon: The existence of at least one "worse" pic is not theoretical. Breitbart stated it. Furthermore, his statement today to CBS News verifies that he is threatening Weiner with its release.

b: I think pretty much all observers, even the Weiner-haters, are stunned by the sheer, uh, heft involved. It DOES look fake in the photo. That said, you must keep in mind that these cameras use wide lenses that distort perspective.

THAT said....yeesh!
 
So . . . you say you believe that Andrew Brietbart was in complete control of Congressman Andrew Weiner, arising out of the possession of an extremely revealing photo of Weiner, and that as a result Weiner was compelled to admit to having posted the "bulging underwear shot."

Notwithstanding that it is obvious from the number of appearances of words and phrses such as, "fair to presume," "could be" and "probably" at key points in your post, I'll accept that this theory is your sincere belief, as was your original theory, apparently.

It is built on a mountain of very shaky conjecture, but you do say you believe that it is true. That being the case, when will you be calling for the resignation of Congressman anthony Weiner? After all, if Breitbart is in such control of the man that he could "force" him to confess to such a sleazy act, then you must conclude that he (Breitbart) could also, going forward, easily induce the Congressman to take positions on public policy matters, and cast votes, that he would otherwise NEVER, EVER do.

Hey . . . maybe that is exactly why Breitbart is NOT calling for Weiner's immediate resignation. Maybe you should demand that Weiner should be quickly removed from office, as he is a Member who has been completely compromised.

If you disagree, please tell me where I'm wrong.

Many of us will be looking forward to your demand.
 
Troch: When will I demand Weiner's resignation? Never.

I never demanded Mark Foley's resignation, either -- although I was one of the few people talking about his much more important history as a key aide to an S&L wheeler-dealer named Roy Talmo. In Foley's case, there were also links to the notorious Mel Sembler. And drug abuse. Still, I never called for his resignation, and was actually a tad sorry to see him go. Politically, he was more moderate than are many current Republicans.

And I never demanded Dennis Hastert's resignation. True, I got a lot of giggles out of the fact that he lived with another man in a J. Edgar and Clyde sort of arrangement. Meanwhile, his wife, on her rare visits to D.C., was made to stay by herself in a hotel -- even on Valentine's Day.

Yeah, that living arrangement was amusing. Even you must admit it. But it had no bearing on policy issues -- except if we consider Hastert's voting record on gay rights.

I never event thought about calling for his resignation.

On only one occasion has this blog published a desire for public official to resign. The target was Barack Obama.

As for Breitbart's power: He himself has just now admitted to CBS News that he will not make further releases as long as he thinks we're headed down the right road. So his own words reek of at least SOME power.

Does this give him power over policy? I don't think it reaches that far, but only time will tell. If Weiner makes sharply uncharacteristic policy decisions, then we'll know the score.
 
Your one crazy black chopper picture taker. Seek help
 
"Anon: The existence of at least one "worse" pic is not theoretical. Breitbart stated it. Furthermore, his statement today to CBS News verifies that he is threatening Weiner with its release."

so you grant there is a 'worse' picture then the current one. how does this vindicate weiner in the least? we now know by his admission that the original picture is his. and we now know there is a worse picture out there that he doesn't want released. so now we know he is creepier then we first thought.

just because breitbart threatened to release the other photo if weiner did not come clean does not make weiner the victim here. he still posted these pics.

the mental gymnastics you have to go through to try and absolve this guy are pretty remarkable.
 
Anon, although I reserve the right to delete anonymous comments (and have done so even when those comments offered praise), I let yours go through to prove a point.

Whenever these issues come up, I encounter readers with "reading comprehension" problems. Those problems affect people on both the right and the left; its a universal phenomenon.

You write:

"how does this vindicate weiner in the least?"

I never said that he was vindicated. Citation?

In fact, I suggested from the near beginning that Weiner was worried about other photos sent to or taken by other women. That supposition has proven true.

Let's look at my actual words, as opposed to the words which you are hallucinating:

"Sorry.

"I don't believe that scenario. I accept every part of his confession except for the statement about the night of the 27th."

I still don't believe that any man (let alone a congressman) would -- knowingly and non-anonymously -- send a crotch shot to a woman he does not know and whose reaction he cannot predict. Via a system which makes ALL sent images public. At a time when he knows that enemies are watching his every tweet.

I just don't think that's possible.

I think he confessed to it because he was forced to confess to a lot of worse stuff. If he still maintained innocence re: the event of the 27th, the matter would drag on and on -- and Breitbart would carry out his threat to release the very explicit photo.

Got it, now? I don't ask you to agree with the above sentiment. But don't mischaracterize it.

I swear, people like you (and such people exist in all political flavors) see words on the screen or the page that aren't there.

Many think that no-one would ever confessed to something he did not actually do. But this happens all the time, especially in plea deals.

I recently read that one-quarter of convicts declared innocent due to new DNA evidence had previously "confessed" to crimes, apparently because copping a plea seemed the easier course. You know what's REALLY weird? In a surprising number of cases, people who made false confessions came to believe that they were genuinely guilty!
 
"Your one crazy black chopper picture taker"

This is true. I once did take a picture of a black chopper. A Harley. Then I airbrushed the gas tank. It was the usual skulls and shit -- nothing too crazy.
 
The existence of at least one "worse" pic is simply not proof in any respect that it somehow induced Congressman Weiner to confess to posting a photo that he did not post.

It is pure conjecture on your part that what you have posited is what actually happened. It is a presumption that you have made, I believe, because you are unwilling to accept the fact that your original tendentious theory about how the hack "happened," was simply incorrect.

The full confession by Congressman Weiner that he did in fact post that photo, is indeed proof that he did it. Many of us correctly believed right from the start that was what had happened . . . that he was lying, and he eventually had to admit it.

The proof was indeed mounting, and witnesses alleging similar flirting or suggestive contacts from him were beginning to come out of the woodwork.

Also, he refused to ask for a law enforcement investigation. He had supposedly hired a security consultant or firm to investigate, yet the NY Times found out from questioning the CEO of yFrog that the consultant had not even asked the firm for any information regarding the alleged hack!

You may actually "believe" you are correct, but when, as it does in this case, the evidence points overwhelmingly to the fact that he did it, that ought to at least give you pause. Just because you can posit one possible scenario (and a highly implausible one at that), is simply not a basis for claiming that it is what happened.
 
NRO| Re: Conspiracy Theories Revisited
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/269045/re-conspiracy-theories-revisited-matthew-shaffer
 
Stewie, thanks for this. I'm going to blog about it. Looks like Breitbart has a conspiracy theory of his own -- that Anthony Weiner masterminded some sort of "get Breitbart" crusade via Kos. And it seems to be bullshit. I'm contacting some people at Kos right now (while holding my nose: Everyone knows how I feel about Moulitsas).

Mr. Hugh Bris is already leading his new pal Breitbart into treacherous territory. Bris tends to do things like that.
 
"Mr. Hugh Bris is already leading his new pal Breitbart into treacherous territory. Bris tends to do things like that."

You, of all people, Joe, should certainly know.
 
Hubris? Moi? By what standard?

I lack all ambition. I seek no power. I ask others NOT to link to this blog. I don't advertise my site. I've spurned and insulted every blogger who has ever tried to befriend me. In the past, I've often turned down requests to speak in public or to write for other sites. And I sure as hell would never commandeer someone else's press conference.

Do you have a definition of "hubris" that differs from the one we all learned in school?

I'll cop to the misanthropy charge, though.
 
Did you know that the word "gullible" is not in the dictionary?

Wow, I have never read anything so delusional that was intended to be taken seriously. Well, not since I read transcripts of some of Bill Clinton's excuses for various misdeeds.
 
lol

lickspittle apologists have all went home my man

apparently you didn't get the memo

i suggest you try a nice calm cup of tea to get rid of those nightmare conspiracy theorys you harbor

have a good one
 
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About Breitbart's latest: More fishers of men (Various updates)

I think the most pertinent paragraph is this one from Mediaite:
To Breitbart’s assertion that this alleged evidence “undermine(s) severely” Weiner’s position that the previous tweeted picture (that caused so much controversy last week) was a result of a hack or prank, we’re not sure how that is. It is entirely plausible that the “intimate” communications of which Breitbart is now claiming to be aware were privately shared by to consenting adults, one of whom no longer feels the need to protect the other’s private identity. Put another way, Weiner could easily have participated in online sharing of private images and messages and still have been the victim of some sort of online fabrication that launched the so-called “Weinergate” scandal.
I've suggested all along -- and, truth be told, Weiner has pretty much said the same thing -- that Weiner was concerned that a political enemy had somehow gotten hold of images involving an earlier cyber-dalliance with someone other than Gennette Cordova. (Yes, I wrote that. Many times.) I've also consistently stated that the Twitter "scandal" was manufactured to set the stage for a fishing expedition, the purpose of which was to grill the congressman about his entire life, not just about the night of the 27th.

That is precisely the scenario now being played out.

Note that in the latest revelations, we learn that Weiner was bright enough to send photos via private email. We may fairly presume that the recipient was someone he had gotten to know and whom he considered trustworthy. So far, the images are hardly salacious, though Breitbart intimates that this situation will change. Weiner knew that Twitter places photos in one's personal "twitterstream," which is available to all -- even when the images are sent via direct message.

Nothing undermines Gennette Cordova's claim that the Congressman's communication with her was entirely appropriate. The idea that he would send "the crotch shot" out of the blue, via Twitter, to a woman he did not know, remains inane and risible.
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Given the very worst interpretation, what are we seeing here? In several earlier comments, I called the shot: This is a replay of the Whitewater scenario. A bullshit charge sets the stage for a fishing expedition.

Added note: As far as we know, the "woman" who received the new Breitbart pictures was Mike Stack in cyber-drag. He has impersonated females online before.

Update: Breitbart is reporting that the crotch shot appeared in an email sent via a private Yahoo account. That is the only part of this whole story that surprises the hell out of me. If he were built like that -- well, his other photos would read differently! At any rate, it is pretty clear now that the Brietbart crew got the shot from this source. Perhaps via a hack...? Keep in mind: If the password for one account is compromised, most of the accounts go wide open -- because most people do not use more than one or two passwords.

From the Breitbart comment stream:
Face reality PeePee, this wasn't a big deal until you abused the power of your office to cover it up.
Abused power how? What cover-up?
A married man sending photos to young girls? Imagine the fathers rage?
Which young girls?

Further update: From Slate...
Is it possible that a hacker got access to Weiner's sexy photo trove and hacked his Twitter account? Sure, like that matters.
It matters a great deal.

The conspirators obviously have had these photos for a while: It has previously been established that images were sent to a top conservative blogger on May 12. (Mike has said that the blogger was Drudge.) That fact alone -- along with many others -- buttresses the contention that the events of the 27th were engineered by outsiders.

Obviously, the conspirators did not think that communication between two consenting adults would shock many people. The record clearly indicates that they were trying to make the situation look far worse than it was. That's why they were cyber-stalking an uninvolved college student and two underaged girls.

If the current pictures were obtained because Yahoo, AOL and/or Facebook email accounts were hacked, then the Breitbart crew could face jail time.

One must wonder about the woman to whom the emails were sent: Why is she divulging this material? Has she, in fact, done so voluntarily? If she volunteered the photos to Breitbart's crew, then we may fairly suspect a classic honeytrap.

If this is a honeytrap, then we should ask just when the photos were sent; they might have been traded before the congressman's marriage. We cannot take the word of someone who acted as bait in a honeytrap. And we cannot take Breitbart's word.
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New Anthony Weiner photos emerge http://huff.to/iSah8v
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So, Breitbart never cut off communication with his informers.

Woman Voter
 
it's over now

see latest pics on Breitbart

including the underwear shot you have been wasting time trying to prove as a fake
 
Radar online has a lewd facebook chat log supposedly with Weiner.

Dear politicians: DO NOT USE TWITTER OR FACEBOOK. There is no such thing as privacy on there. Jesus Christ.

The gigantic network of twitter people that dedicated so much of their time just to bringing down Anthony Weiner is amazing, regardless of whether he has affairs or not.
 
it is still *possible* that photo tweet was a hack to expose all this other shit, but i dunno, we may never find out. weirdly enough breitbart now has the dicktweet up (right side up), i wonder how and when it got turned around - remember weiner talking about a picture being altered? this is weird stuff.
 
This appears to have been setting the stage for a "gotcha moment" on Weiner. Someone has it in for him, bigtime.

The original accusation was that he was harassing young women and girls with lewd photographs [the young college student and the two silly, underage girls, who were making things up]. That appears to have been a false flag with information and histories out on Breitbart's highly questionable sources.

This, however, appears to be something entirely different and would explain Weiner's awkward answers to the original accusation. He might have had good reason to believe that the original smear was a preface to what was coming.

If so, he's guilty of real foolishness. Nothing is private on the Net. But as far as I know, sexting and/or carrying on a relationship via e-mail with a consenting adult is not illegal. Embarrassing, yes, particularly for a married Congressman.

But this is a far cry from cyberstalking. Unless, of course, other details emerge.

If anything this should serve as a reminder: there ain't nothing private anymore.
 
Wow, good catch on the dick being right side up on Breitbart's site. Why would Weiner flip it before he sent it to Gennette?

Also why would the person who was having the lewd conversation with Weiner save a screencap of it if not to hurt him politically?

According to Breitbart some of the Weiner shirtless pics were found on a public yahoo profile. If that's true then maybe Weiner is dumb enough to twitter a dick pic? Blah. Weiner should just strap a camera to his head and make his life The Truman Show.
 
BREAKING: Anthony Weiner is about to make a statement within the hour, says MSNBC. I noticed his 'official' website has taken down his bio???

Will we have anyone to represent the people? Will Third Party candidates be allowed into the debates?

Woman Voter
 
" If the current pictures were obtained because Yahoo, AOL and/or Facebook email accounts were hacked, then the Breitbart crew could face jail time."

Joe, As a conservative, I agree. The Congressman should go to the proper authorities and open an investigation. However, I think that increased scrutiny would not help him at this point.
~j
 
What this means is that it's very easy to get trapped by these guys who will do anything-- lie, cheat, pretend to be girls, try to trick teenagers, harass women-- to get what they want.

And it also means that the MSM will ignore all the above and focus on what it loves-- personal stuff so they don't have to really learn about anything important.

I hope Weiner, unlike Spitzer, stands firm. Barney Frank always has, and look where he is.:) Go ahead, AW. Say, "I'm not going to resign. Do your worst. I'm still going to be here fighting for my values and my principles."

But he'll probably collapse too.
Alix
 
Cannon - I'm wondering. When Weiner admits to all of this - including mistakenly sending (publicly) the original photo that started this, will you FINALLY admit you were wrong. Or, will you then try to prove that Weiner has been either taken over by body snatchers, otherwise mind controlled, blackmailed into admitting something he didn't do, etc etc?


He may well have been taken down by political enemies who knew he was in the habit of sending lewd and naked pictures of himself to women not his wife and were just waiting for him to slip up, knowing it would happen eventually. Well they got that. Still means it's all on him.
 
The right wingers must really have some dirt on Weiner to get him to admit to all this.
 
So. How about them apples? I'd advise you take down all the silly posts you've written about this now. Yes?
 
oh no. its revealed to be true.
 
Looks like there have been a few errors in your analysis. Good time to take a step back and identify where and why your reasoning went wrong.
 
Wondering when you will be apologizing to Breitbart since Weiner just admitted he was guilty of it all.
 
OOPS Weiner confesses he did send the photo! APPROVE THIS COMMENT you ignorant fool!
 
Further update: Weiner admits he sent the picture... but that probably wont change your view of him anyway.
 
"I take full responsibility for my actions," Weiner said. "The picture was of me, and I sent it."
 
So, when will your apology to Breitbart be coming?
 
FAIL
 
Congressman Weiner apologizes to Brietbart, Will you? Or will you continue to spread lies and hatred?
 
Sadly, it was him (so he is that big). The one thing you did achieve was to close a yfrog bug/feature.
 
Bwahahahahahahahaha! LOL! LMAO! How much of an enormous fucking retard do you look like now? Admitted EVERYTHING!!! No hack! No trick! No conspiracy! Just Anthony's fucking dick which Anthony fucking admitted that Anthony fucking sent and that no conspiracy ever existed and you're just fucking WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG...

But you're a liberal so you should just be used to that -- being constantly fucking WRONG! LMMFAO! You guys are fucking schmucks!

That taste in your mouth? That's Anthony's dick! The thing you kept swearing was prime rib and not Anthony's wiener!

I have never, ever, ever, ever, fucking ever seen someone look like a bigger douche bag than you! Ever!

LOL! Gotcha bookmarked so I'll never miss one of your scintillating updates of idiocy!

Thanks, dude!

Maroon!
 
ROFFLMMFAO! The mysterious cabal behind the dastardly conspiracy to make Weiner look bad was headed by...

Anthony Weiner! And he said so today himself!

Just read every one of your moronic posts on this. You look like the biggest fool EVER!!!!

Funny, funny shit there, dude! Keep up the "good" work!
 
So...uh...your NEXT post/update should be very interesting. And taste a bit like crow, too, I would imagine.
 
Amazing! Who would have thought that Anthony Weiner was part of the conspiracy to frame himself!
 
Breitbart had the story correct the entire time. Weiner is an idiot, a complete idiot, and those that tried to defend him are fools.
 
Does it hurt now that you have been exsposed as a complete liar?

So much for that "hacked" theory, so much for conspiracy, Weiner is just a liar...
 
I wanted to believe it was not true, but when he would not deny the picture was of him, I had my doubts. Now Rep. Weiner admits the picture is of him and that he accidentally tweeted it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics

"The New York Democrat added that he had engaged in other online relationships with women, though no physical contact ever resulted." ...

"In the press conference, Weiner acknowledged that one of the women with whom he had engaged in inappropriate online conduct was a 26-year-old single mother and Texas woman named Meagan Broussard."

Why are so many otherwise sane Democratic politicians so self-destructive when it comes to sexual behavior? Do they all think they are JFK?

djmm
 
That's certitude for you.
 
Looking forward to your next update...
 
Wow. This blog has been absolutely amazing in uncovering the truth of things. The amount of investigative work and rigor involved is truly breathtaking. After reading the last several entries, I'm absolutely convinced that Weiner was framed. I'm just hoping that your next investigation is into who's blackmailing him and forcing him to lie saying he did it.
 
It would appear that the only thing that Weiner supporters would accept as proof was the admission of the Representative.

Well now they have it, so hopefully they can put their conspiracy theories behind them.
 
I'm not technically up to date, don't use these social media, and have relied upon the analysis I've been reading here. Accordingly, I bought your thesis on this, Joe.

Now it appears from the Congressman's stated admissions that despite the arguments and facts I read here, those were incorrect.

I am not baiting you, but how do you think it could be true despite what you've argued, and/or do you think this current admission is itself the lie?

XI
 
So, how's that conspiracy working out? Apparently Congressmen Weiner was part of the smear conspiracy! Wow, that's a deep deep conspiracy!

Keep rockin'!
 
Well, how does it feel that all of your smears and calling others liars and "reporting" was false?

This is good lesson to everyone - be a reporter and not a stooge to any political party.
 
LMFAO! Done like toast! How tall do you feel?!
 
Ha ha!
 
Weiner apologized to Breitbart, if obliquely. Will you?
 
You are hands down, the biggest, most idiotic fuckheaded blogger on the face of the earth.

Enjoy eating your crow, you pathetic excuse for a human being. LOL
 
Looks like YOU were part of a conspiracy to falsely attributed federal felonies to innocent people. Presumably the FBI will be at your door soon. Better lawyer up!
 
I am a Republican, but I have to say that I was pretty impressed with how Rep Weiner came completely and unreservedly clean on everything he had done. I challenge you to retract your accusations and analysis with the same vigor. I assure you that any embarrassment you feel is nothing like what he's feeling.
 
Do you feel betrayed by Weiner?
 
One lesson that you should learn from this: the idea that you can tell the size of a dudes equipment from the girth of his neck -- or chest, shoulders, etc. -- is simply not based in reality. There's lots of little birdlike dudes with impressively large fixtures, and lots of giant mofos who are hung like cashews. Just a fact.
 
So, when will your apology to Breitbart be coming?
posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 1:53 PM
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Andrew Breitbart has NEVER apologized to Shirley Sherrod for labeling her a racist and getting her fired.

As to Yfrog, the security flaw was there, and as to the 21 year old she said the contact was on the up and up. Now, as to what Anthony Weiner did going back to three years ago, and the lie of protecting his wife, well that is for Weiner to sort out...as his lies seem to continue.

As to the Pimping and Acorn, well, that was not true either, but that didn't matter.

So, why isn't Breitbart out looking for the WMDs lie (The guy admitted he lied and said why he lied about the WMDs) which have cost us billions of dollars, or the torture.

So, I will say sorry when he apologizes to Shirley Sherrod and also, investigates Clarence Thomas and his undeclared income for many many years and asks Clarence Thomas why he didn't recuse himself from conflict of interest cases. When Andrew Breitbart does the latter I will apologize!
 
All your work just to "prove" your extreme partisanship. I used to read you at times back in 2007/2008 when I the impression that you were a Hillary Clinton supporter. Even though Rep. Weiner is a Democrat, a dog is a dog. You went all out for him, and for what? A delicious egg on your face? Most Democrat politicians disgust me anymore. I now consider myself a Democrat in name only. Until this Obamacrat party changes back to something that is at least "Democratic", I will continue to vote against every one of them for sh!ts and giggles. My bitterness has not abated.
 
You did a good job Joe, and it seems to me Weiner had plausible deniability in regards to the twitter photo and who knows - maybe even this latest round of stuff that all sounded fishy to me.

It seems obvious that they have other dirt on him, my guess something to do with his wife, Huma Abedin, who was also connected of course to the Clintons.

So this is a big two-fer for the powers that want us to forget the accomplishments of the greatest Democratic president since Roosevelt, a three-fer if you include the fact that this embarasses and compromises a Hillary 2016 run.

I tend to agree with your analysis of the twitter photo, and am skeptical about how these other photos/chats/etc were obtained. I just think in the end, they had a lot of dirt on him and he is trying now to keep that quiet by giving his enemies what they want.

He'll resign within days.

Don't give up Joe.
 
Joseph,

Your previous attempt to portray this as a hacking was interesting but your theory had many holes in it. In order to stay with the theory you came up with more and more elaborate conspiracy theories.

Just face it, Weiner seeks out women that follow him on social media sites and initiates relationships with them. Part of that is sending those women dirty pictures. Weiner has admitted this.

You should stop attacking other people and trying to ruin their reputations because of what Weiner did. Weiner did it, he is responsible not Breitbart or Wolfe or whoever it is that you are trying to blame now.

The real issue here is how Democrats and the media don't hold Democrats to the same standard they hold Republicans. I guess it is true what they say, being a Democrat means never having to say you are sorry.

- Wodun
 
So the comments section here has become a fest for vile right-wing nasties. It's obvious that Joe hasn't lied at all, and you all know it. And while all you right-wingers are foaming at the mouth, let's not forget that Weiner has NOT said it was his penis under his knickers. It could have been his forearm or whatever.

I'm still wondering 'why now?' against Weiner. So he won't be mayor of NY, and Strauss-Kahn won't be president of France. Next?
 
Buell's Law vindicated again (If a prominent politician is accused of some sort of sexual misconduct, he did it).
 
Wow! The gloatmobile seems to out in full swing. Knock yourself out people. Breitbart managed to get one story right out of how many? Even losers get lucky sometime.

But no fear, the slime machine will roll out again with the same dubious list of accusers and undercut any short term 'win' today. And meanwhile, we all lose.

As for Weiner? He was dumb, dumb, dumb. Nothing is private or privledged anymore. He hurt his family, his credibility and those that supported him by not admitting the truth from the start. What's next?

The circus train just keeps on rolling.

And Joe Cannon? You're a good man.
 
ABC News: she contacted Weiner on April 20th.

She has a Republican friend with political ties.

Who told her she should inform Matt Drudge and Breitbart.

Setup? You betcha.

Video clip of her in the ABC News link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-anthony-weiner-picture/story?id=13774605
 
Hmmm....something very weird is going on here. Young girls harassed by right wing bloggers, photo placed using loophole to girl who never received it, which was deleted immediately. Someone who hates Weiner who also claims he can hack anything, anytime, anywhere. News shows that go with a single sourced piece of dirt from a partisan player. . . . Oh, yeah Weiner, confesses! Don't worry about that other stuff.
 
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Sunday, June 05, 2011

The conspiracy: It's all coming apart (Update: "TwitterBreaker"...?)


No, that's not Weiner in the infamous "crotch shot." (He's just not built that way.) Yes, his account was tampered with. Yes, there really was a conspiracy against him. We're learning a lot more about the conspirators. Deal with it.

See here and here and here.

Update: Also here and here and here.

By the way -- here's an advertisement (click to enlarge) for a little program that claims to break Twitter passwords automatically. Does it work? Dunno. This may be a scam or a malware-dropper -- or it may function as advertised. I won't try it, and I won't tell you where to find your own copy. But it's interesting to know that such things are available...

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Thanks for linking and here's one more. Big fan of your blog, great work, what is your Twitter? Also, how did you find the original uncropped photo, is that from Dan Wolfe's cache?

<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/05/982318/-WeinerGate-Ends-When-Mike-Stack-et-al-Are-Investigated?via=siderec>Weinergate Ends When Mike Stack et al Are Investigated</a>
 
Just want to say, you did a great job. What's most important is before yfrog fixed the glitch, you took the time to record it and prove it existed. Great work.

I just wish the MSM would pay attention. CNN of course has its own conflict in its blogger/rightwinger who apparently got involved, and so they don't seem interested in correcting the record.

But you know, this is actually a much more interesting story than some congressman acting out. But they don't see it that way. I wonder if there's any pride there at all that says, "We're not going to be made into fools by this Breitbart guy anymore." I guess not.
 
Joe, we're discussing the upside down photo <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/05/982416/-The-Photo-Is-Upside-Down-(NSFW)?via=siderec>here</a>. I think you are really on to something. Thank you.
 
Stef, I don't think the photo is fakety fake. But I don't think it is Weiner, unless he stuck a fake penis in his pants.

The reason why it is important to know that the man in the photo is reclining rather than standing is because it might have been taken of a sleeping subject, or a subject caught unawares.

But now that we know that Mike works in porn, I'm thinking along a different line.

I actually spent an hour or so yesterday studying the issue of well-endowed men in porn. This is not my idea of pleasant research.

Could you contact me privately at my email? There is rather more I would like to say.
 
Joseph, have you seen this? It's being passed around at dumb-down sites like Newser:
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/06/05/060511-news-weiner-1-4/

The headline is how Weiner's tale of being hacked is "unraveling" because all the tweets came from the same place. The takeaway of this drumbeat is that the "only" way for Weiner to end this is to call for an investigation. I do believe you called this a while ago...they're on a fishing expedition.
 
Actually, that article references your work and links here. Their rebuttal makes no sense. In particular, it's maddening for them to say that if anyone did mean to make it look like the picture came from Weiner they'd know his tweetstream and just when to insert the picture to make it seem like it came from Weiner. In that case, why is there any doubt at all? None of the previous tweets were suggestive! Doesn't that bolster Weiner's claim?
 
Great Investigative work Joe. We all know who is pushing this story at this and other blogs. Resurgence of the ratfuckers is underway
 
I lol'd.
 
You people are totally crazy.

Mike reported the truth about a corrupt congressman who uses his office for sexting and his staff and congressional clout to cover it up. His hired 'private security firm' set out to frame the messenger as hackers and liars, and really slime the people telling the truth.

And nowhere do you see that slime worse than this blog.

Weiner sent those pics. He was not hacked. He was not framed. He was not impersonated. Breitbart consistently tells the truth, and consistently, the answer to his claims is that he's a liar, so no one should listen to what he's saying.

It's disgusting.

When Weiner refused to answer directly, the honest people realized the simple explanation was that he accidentally sent the message publicly. The kooks and hacks tried to create a lie, however implausible, to attack the good guys.
 
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This hacking stuff is easy...

I'm sending word out to see how easy it is to spoof the "From TweetDeck" thing. (See post below.) In the meantime, let's mull over Weiner's odd mention of his Facebook account being hacked. That remark has always gnawed at me. FB and Twitter and connected; how easy are they to hack?

Real damn easy, as it turns out. See here and here. (But for god's sake, don't actually follow those instructions!)
Ignore all those hacking services, facebook hacks and hackers that charge you money for something you can do on your own for free. Hack the password of any of your friends accounts and get their password even as a prank or joke (you may also be interested in trying our How To Hack Twitter Accounts tutorial)
Twitter says that they plugged a similar hole circa 2009, but the hacker who wrote the above says that his script was updated as of "6/4/2011." Around the same time, a phishing scam snagged the passwords of several notables. Those passwords were reset -- but only if the victims knew that there was a problem. One can easily see a situation in which passwords were held in reserve.
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hacking can't be ruled out i guess, due to goatsred's apparent history of shady shit.

what interesting about the yfrog email exploit is that very few people seemed to realize it was possible.

but for hacking to be what happened, the anti-weiner crew had to be pretty skilled. sarah palin's email was hacked, we know this stuff is possible.

but weiner saw the tweet and deleted it immediately, the application matches up.

i'm down to wanting the IP address source for the tweet. presumably twitter has that. is there anything else that definitively resolves this case? lots of random facts cut both ways at this point, uncertainty remains unless new evidence emerges.
 
Milo,

For now we can say that the "Hack" that Joseph described above was not used!

The hack above just gets the twitter account password reset and it takes several hours!!!

So, now we have to believe that the "hacker" used the hack described above to get Rep. Weiner's twitter password reset and the logged in?

Once the password is reset, you have to login using the new password on twitter and now even on TweetDeck.

So the hacker was able to request the password reset, login to TweetDeck and send the tweet with the link and then Rep. Weiner was able to still use TweetDeck and the old password less then 5 minutes later when he sent his Tivo tweet.

Sorry, the only way to know for sure he was hacked, is to get the records from Twitter and that is going to require a subpoena. So far Rep. Weiner has not chosen to go that route.

Timeline: http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/06/05/060511-news-weiner-1-4/

Joe
 
No, Joe, we can't say that the "eploit" theory was wrong. I need confirmation. Surely the "sent via" would have been visible to someone other than a potentially partisan "Christian" Texan...?

I'd also like to know if it is possible to spoof "sent via TweetDeck."

The hack mentioned above was just the first thing I found after about twenty seconds of googling. Frankly, I was pretty stunned at how easy it was.

I've been looking elsewhere, although perhaps it is best not to mention where. Apparently, though, there are apps that break Twitter passwords. At least -- such things can be found. Whether they WORK as advertised is a different matter.

Come on. The fact that this happened at the same time that there was an (irrefutable) conspiracy to smear weiner sexually -- a conspiracy led by someone who certainly possesses the knowledge to do such a thing -- a conspiracy whose leader "broke" the story, who had a history of harassing Gennette Cordova, and who went into hiding after proclaiming that he has nothing to hide -- all those facts taken together make this one pretty obvious.

I've lacked confidence about my stances before. Often. But this time? Not for a second.
 
@joe - a hack that requires a password reset seems impossible here since weiner retained ability to tweet. i guess when i say 'hack' now it means purely that someone had to have his twitter password, and used it. and made sure to post from tweetdeck. the probabilities of this scenario are going down.

if weiner's FB was truly hacked (explaining weiner's comment on that), and the dickpic taken from there, perhaps he had the same twitter password. but that's a lot of supposition that can't be proven without investigation of IP logs, etc.

i still wish patriot wasn't the sole person to see this tweet, its too bill burkett-rathergate for my tastes.

btw, i came here to post this thought: now that joseph has rotated the pic correctly, the light on the floor looks like exterior light thru a window, no? that means pic was not taken around 11:30pm at night, but during daytime. weird (to me).
 
Joseph,

I agree there is some real odd things out there and I was ready to see Rep. Weiner's view be the end of it until he did the round of interviews last Wednesday.

Franky, his statements over the course of those painful interviews and his lack real answers to very simple questions has just raised even more questions.

The media is even starting to report on other aspects of Rep. Weiner's behavior such as this one today.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/06/05/2011-06-05_his_dc_car_is_registered_in_ny_and_way_out_of_date.html

Joe
 
If Weiner sent the photo why would he immediately delete it?
 
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The lies just never stop, do they?

A journal called The Daily has reconstituted a false argument first offered by The Mighty Seixon in order to "debunk" what I said about the Yfrog exploit.
But according to data provided exclusively to The Daily from TweetCongress.org, a nonprofit website that captures each member of Congress’s Twitter feeds in real time, the shot seen round the world was transmitted using TweetDeck — a popular Adobe desktop application that links up with social networking sites.
Chet Wisniewski, a senior security adviser at security software company SophosLabs, said the TweetDeck stamp “does make it more plausible that it did come from him.
Let's knock this one down quickly, shall we?

I revealed in this blog -- long before the Daily published its "exclusively" provided "data" -- that Weiner used TweetDeck that night. But so what?

The poor schlub writing for the Daily -- his name is Daniel Libit -- doesn't understand that Seixon's entire "TweetDeck" argument was based on the presupposition that the congressman used TweetDeck or some similar app EVERY SINGLE TIME. Thus, he never established a Yfrog account.

Yet even the Daily stipulates that this was not the case.

So there goes the argument. Poof.

Furthermore, TweetDeck and similar apps (such as the divinely-named Twitterberry) always append an identifying signature: "via TweetDeck" and "via Twitterberry." Something like that. Weiner's previous photos didn't have that data. They were labelled "via Yfrog" and "via Twitter."

Let's take it a step further. Suppose Weiner had used TweetDeck and nothing but TweetDeck during his entire career as a twitterer. Again: So what?

TweetDeck automatically establishes a Yfrog account for you. When you try to send a pic, it even flashes a message: "Sending via Yfrog." Don't take my word for it. Download the app for yourself and try it out.

I downloaded TweetDeck and had one of my fictional creations send a pic to another. "Chalice153" had never set up a Yfrog account -- and yet one was set up for her. Here it is. (That's Angela, my model. Pretty, isn't she?) That account was open to the very same exploit which I pointed out in my post.

Seixon, a known Republican operative with a long and irrefutable history of flim-flammery, tried to pretend that this was not the case. Interestingly, he set up his blog to make that argument on the very day when Yfrog plugged its security hole. The plugging made it impossible to prove him wrong via a real-world, real-time test.

Still, I don't think that such a test is necessary. Chalice153 has granted a Yfrog account the moment she sent a picture, even though she did not go to Yfrog's website to set one up. In the days before the security hole was plugged, anyone could have uploaded anything to that account.

So the entire argument is bogus. The Daily has given us techno-babble.

Weiner clearly did not use a TweetDeck-like app all the time -- and even if he had, his automatically-created Yfrog page was open to the same security exploit.

Just in case you are wondering whether the conspirators (in this case, that much-overused term is justified) lacked the computer savvy to make use of that exploit, let us recall what Dan Wolfe's partner Mike Stack has to say about himself:
In one 2009 post, Stack fired back at some of his online enemies, warning them to “be careful of what you say.” He claimed, “I can find out anything about anyone. The software and programs that I have at my disposal, in addition to the people who work in the wi-fi and technology field that I am partnered with make me a virtual cyber detective.”
Let's have another quote from Wisniewski:
“If I had his password, I could add his account into my TweetDeck and start sending tweets, and it would all say ‘TweetDeck,’” Wisniewski explained.
This statement proves that he hasn't been following the case. My entire point was based on the fact that Yfrog had a security loophole which allowed others to post to your account without knowing your password. That point was proven beyond rational debate when Yfrog closed that very loophole soon after my post became widely-read.

Does Weiner's use of TweetDeck that night constitute an "extra hurdle" for the conspirators? Of course not. The statement is nonsensical on its face.

It is stipulated by all sides that the anti-Weiner conspirators were watching his twitter feed the way a lioness studies her prey. That constant, careful scrutiny is (allegedly) the reason why Dan Wolfe just happened to see the photo immediately. They knew full well what Weiner was doing that evening. Anyone can download TweetDeck; it's a free app and takes a short time to set up.

Time to make a point which I should have mentioned earlier. Twitter is not like email. If you send a picture via Twitter to a private party (even if you use TweetDeck), that picture also shows up in your own Twitter record. For everyone to see. An experienced user of Twitter would have known that. I discovered that fact my first time out, and Weiner had been using the app for years.

If we are to take Gennette Cordova at her word (and I doubt that The Daily will take the legal or ethical risk of calling her a liar), then she and the congressman had never engaged in personal chit-chat. He had no way of knowing anything about her. Are we to believe that he suddenly -- and very non-anonymously -- sent a lewd photo to a girl he did not know and whose reaction he could not gauge? And that he did so knowing that the same image would be visible to anyone, including enemies like Dan Wolfe (whose Weiner-obsessive behavior was known to the congressman)?

Again: If you believe that, then Jonathan Lebed has some penny stocks to sell you.

I think that George "The Mighty Seixon" Gooding or one of his allied 'wingers contacted the Daily and got this story into the newstream. It's clear that the writer for the Daily did not even fully comprehend the argument. And I doubt that he had seen this.

Seixon has an established history of trying to buttress dubious assertions with highly-detailed arguments which ultimately prove to be bogus. He did they same thing when he "proved" that Saddam really did have WMDs. The guy is a classic flim-flammer.

Oh -- and Mr. Wisniewski? Hope you're reading this. Sophos is a good product, but: A while back, I had a nasty little rootkit which Sophos completely missed. Emsisoft caught it.

Nobody's perfect, eh wot?

Added point: People presume that Weiner's statement that he "can't be 100% sure" that the photo isn't of him means that is of him. If so, his consistent denials that he uploaded the photo would be a lie. But if he's willing to lie about uploading the photo, why wouldn't he simply say "Not me"?

As I've said many times, I think he was worried that that some photo-funnies between him and a former girlfriend had somehow escaped into the hands of an enemy.

The first time I got a camera phone, my ladyfriend and I took some shots which we might not want you to see. (They were by no means pornographic -- just unflattering.) I don't know if those shots still exist anywhere, and I have only a vague memory as to what they looked like. If you ever see those photos online, know that I didn't upload them.
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If the photo was sent on twitter via Tweetdeck, does not that seriously damage the yfrog email explanation? I don't follow how your post addresses that criticism.
 
the "via tweetdeck" evidence, assuming its true, is a problem for weiner. it means hack had to be more of a true hack as opposed to exploit of yfrog email vulnerability.

its true weiner never sent a pic via tweetdeck before, but its also true he was on tweetdeck for the afternoon and evening of may 27. he had to have really been hacked for that to work.
 
In addition to the above, Joseph's "Yfrog exploit" theory appears to be collapsing. Yfrog has conducted an internal audit and confirmed that its e-mail upload feature "has not been compromised in any way" or "broken into."

http://yfrog.com/page/blog
 
milowent, TweetDeck creates a Yfrog account automatically. So the same exploit was available. Seixon was saying that it was not.

And where is the proof that the offending pic was sent from TweetDeck? I'm on Weiner's Twitter page right now and I don't see it.
 
Chris, I was perfectly aware that Yfrog said that the very first day they shut the thing down. What else do you expect them to say in public? "Yes, our shoddy practices compromised your security?"

Even George Gooding stipulated the security exploit. He said it was "well known." And so, it appears, it was -- to those who follow such things.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say it was "well known" and non-existent simultaneously.
 
milowent, this is very weird. I just saw a screencap of the Tweetcongress.org version of Weiner's tweets that night, as published by Breitbart. Here:

http://biggovernment.com/driehl/2011/05/31/weiners-actual-tweet-stream-disputes-his-version-raises-valid-questions/#more-276804

It doesn't match the version printed by the Daily.

Also, is there any way for a REALLY GOOD tech wiz (which Mike Stack claims to be) to spoof the "sent via" part?
 
Joseph,

Your quote: "The Daily has given us techno-babble" No, The Daily has closed down the options of how and maybe who posted the tweet.

The information from TweetCongress.org, a nonprofit website that captures each member of Congress’s Twitter feeds in real time, the shot seen round the world was transmitted using TweetDeck and only TweetDeck.

This information confirms that your earlier blog posts and your yfrog theory a distraction and done. The tweet from @repweiner came from TweetDeck and not via
an email from some random email address: "very same exploit which I pointed out in my post". It was not "a via yfrog" as this example from Rep. Weiner on Feb. 25.

@RepWeiner
Anthony Weiner

Do I have to pay 1977 Weiner royalties to use this? http://yfrog.com/h8p971j

25 Feb via Yfrog

This tweet is still available in Rep. Weiner's twitter feed, the picture...was deleted by Rep. Weiner along with his other photos in his yfrog account.

Since the tweet with the link to the package came directly from TweetDeck. You are now back to it had to being someon having Rep Weiner's password or
hacking into Rep. Weiner's TweetDeck application or Twitter account. Back to being a Federal Crime or it was sent by Rep. Weiner.

So Rep. Weiner is back to needing an investigation and a court request for the logs that would confirm the details of the actual post.

Joe
 
The TweetCongress stream was published before, and the "via Tweetdeck" was not there.
 
By the way, I'm a little suspicious, frankly, about TweetCongress. There is no way to contact the organization. It seems to have been founded by two fellows in Texas who see fit to brag about being "Christians."

I've seen plenty of other Twitterstreams online where the "sent via Tweetdeck" appendage is there. But it is not present on Weiner's twitter page, and it is not present in the tweecongress.org screencap on Brietbart's site.
 
Joseph, That is the point the public interface from TweetCongress.org does not show the "how" but they confirmed to "The Daily" that the post was via TweetDeck.

The only pubic interface that would show the via posting method would have been @repweiner's tweet feed but he deleted that tweet!

Joe
 
Nothing has been confirmed yet. Even if our two "Christian" friends from Texas were to confirm it, I'm not sure I would believe them. Their bias would be obvious, and no independent evidence would back them up.

The Daily's data does not match that of the earlier screencap. And "via Tweetdeck" does NOT appear on Weiner's Twitter page.

Does anyone else smell Photoshop?
 
Joseph,

No Photoshop needed, just check any other tweet that is still in @repweiner via the web. Select the tweet and the widown on the right will show the detail and "the via" detail.

So when Rep. Weiner deleted the tweet, the public detail of the via went with it.

Joe
 
Americans' Obsession with Folly or the Tale of the Twitteratti

As the brilliant Pascal observed the emperor needs must be feted with frivolity and games in order to keep his or her mind off his or her mortality. This is why fools and madmen alike obtain knighthood. I heard it said yesterday, or rather read it, that double entendres are a sign of immaturity. My imagination immediately seized upon the name of the greatest of playwrights and put up a vocal utterance of "really?" Perhaps this this attitude can be likened to a deservedly obscure "thinker" by the name of Vico, who opined that the Roman Empire was the coming of age of the ancient world. I suppose that Lycurgus, like Shakespeare, would be strictly a puerile jurist in Vico's bizarre world view. Aeschylus a schoolboy, Hamilton a ninny, hardly worth wasting one's breath on...and so on.

This brings us to Weinergate. As the astute reader of this so called blog knows by now, I see the repugnant Twitter bubble as a "sign of the (end)times" much like Robert Burton viewed the calamity of his days' everyman, who having the silver to publish any abject drivel to his liking. Plays, in those days were deemed not serious art. And how many of Shakespeare's contemporary and serious Latin poets share the dusty fate of Ozymandias? And so is it any wonder when a member of our ever estimable polity is suspended in delicto by his own rather prominent petard that we cannot withhold a hearty guffaw at his expense...Even in this post modern dark age that has come upon us a laugh or two may do us good.
 
Thing: I found your comment somewhat insulting, but since you referenced Vico, I let it through. Weiner was not hoist by his own petard.

You'd have to be nuts to believe that he would send a crotch pic to a girl he did not know, a pic that would be made public to everyone under any circumstances. And at the same time, JUST COINCIDENTALLY, a political zealot who brags about his skills as a hacker, and who also has access to a trove of pornographic images, is leading a multiparty effort to bring Weiner down on a sex charge.

That's relying on coincidence a little too heavily for my taste.
 
Joseph,

First lets assume the tweet was never meant to be public, it was meant to be a Direct Message.

A single character makes the difference between a private DM and a public tweet!

Now your version:

So you want a hacker, let's assume that you get a great hacker. Now, you want the hacker to be both smart and stupid at the same time.

Smart enough to hack in a leave no trace but dumb enough to not change the password so that Rep. Weiner could not just delete the tweet! Smart enough to know that Rep. Weiner would say that with certitude the picture was not his package!

However your hacker is not smart enough to update the image to appear to come from a Blackberry xxxx just like Re. Weiner used for his other yfrog photos by a simple edit of the EXIF data.

Joe
 
@joseph - yes, the public tweetcongress stream screencaps did not show tweet location. i am told, however, that this information is capture and retained by tweetcongress. chris mcclosky (sp? he's here on twitter) said he would look into finding the archived information. apparently the daily is who got it first. i would like to see the evidence, however, e.g., the actual info conveyed that shows the tweet location to tweetcongress.
 
Joe, this is a really dumb comment. The "D" sends the picture to the intended target. But the pic also shows up in your own twitterstream. I tried this out for myself. As I said: It's not like email.

"Smart enough to hack in a leave no trace but dumb enough to not change the password so that Rep. Weiner could not just delete the tweet!"

My theory (which wasn't really mine) posits that no knowledge of the password is needed. Did you miss that part?

If the password WAS known -- and there is actually some evidence to suggest it (Weiner's Facebook remark) -- then of course a hacker would not reset it. That would be like signing your work. And Weiner would then be able to say "someone changed my password."

The vast, vast majority of people who have been hacked have not had their passwords reset by the intruder.

No, if you uploaded a picture onto someone else's account, you would do what Dan did: Shout "Lookee here!" right away. And then take a (cropped) screencap and send it to Breitbart.

"Smart enough to know that Rep. Weiner would say that with certitude the picture was not his package!"

That was a gift. Of course, if we posit that the photo WAS of Weiner -- given to the miscreants by a vengeful ex (to cite just one scenario) -- then Weiner's reaction makes sense.

"However your hacker is not smart enough to update the image to appear to come from a Blackberry xxxx just like Re. Weiner used for his other yfrog photos by a simple edit of the EXIF data."

You haven't been paying attention, have you? The 800x600 does have data indicating a Blackberry, though not THAT Blackberry. You still haven't addressed the EXIF creation date.

Let's face it -- no-one on any side of this controversy has any explanation for THAT oddity.

The same "smart, yet dumb" argument applies to your side. Look, let's say Weiner sent a photo of himself to a girl (and the whole wide world). Wouldn't he say "I deny sending the photo and I deny that it is me"?

Instead, he said "I deny sending the photo but I can't deny 100% that it is of me." THAT (paraphrased) statement is consistent only with the scenario I've outlined: He feared that some miscreant had gotten hold of a private shot, perhaps from an ex.

Frankly, at this point -- and in light of the irrefutable conspiracy against Weiner (no-one denies that one existed) -- I wouldn't believe that Weiner sent that pic even if Weiner himself said that he did. And I would be very tempted to say those very words if I were him, just to get the business over with.

Right now, I'm trying to determine how to spoof the "via Tweetdeck" thing. Too bad Yfrog changed its policies, so I can't put it to the test...

Oh, and I've also been researching the long and dishonorable tradition of Twitter spoofing. YOW! I had no idea that the system was so vulnerable. I'm surprised that shit like this didn't happen years ago.
 
Milo: I've tried to get in contact with Chris, but it is difficult. He's obviously not on Weiner's side politically, and he seems to have been rather well connected, so the possibility of bias (or worse) is very real.

On the other hand, it seems he was a big fan of some comic book artists I like. So THAT's cool.

So the questions are...

1. How come there's no independent trace of the "sent via TweetDeck"? I've seen those words show up on other Twitter feeds.

2. Is it possible for someone like Mike Stack, who views himself as a computer genius, to spoof the "sent via TweetDeck" thing? (I'm sure that it's possible, for someone who is really clever.)

3. Given the fact that Weiner complained that his Facebook was hacked, isn't it possible that the same hacker got his Twitter password? Most people run the same password across a number of accounts. I have about eight different passwords, and keeping them straight is HELL.
 
This is over. The digital footprints have all been captured and analyzed. It's too late for the right-wingers to alter history to fit their frame job with the new sent from tweetdeck nonsense.

If they really wanted to pull this off they wouldn't have used the yfrog exploit until he was tweeting from his blackberry and not while he was at home using tweetdeck. The added bonus is he probably wouldn't have seen the phony tweet for quite some time using his blackberry. Tweetdeck is excellent at quickly updating your feed, mentions, etc.
 
Joseph,

You seem to be new to twitter. There is a big difference between a Direct Message (DM) and it is different than mentions and @replies.

Note: People you follow can send you a private message.
Note: You cannot send a direct message to a user who is not following you.


Example: How to Send a Private Message via the Web:
1.Log in to your Twitter account.
2.Click the "Messages" button on the top menu bar of your page.
3.You'll land on a page showing your private messages history. Click the "New Message" button, highlighted below. Click to send a new message.
4.In the pop-up box, type the name or username of the person you wish to send to.
5.Enter the message you wish to privately send, and click "Send."
Tip: Make sure that user follows you. You may only send a direct message to your followers

source: http://support.twitter.com/entries/14606-what-is-a-direct-message-dm

Joe
 
read this

http://georgegooding.com/post/6222675383/weinergate-ipad-theory
 
Ah wind...still promoting Seixon? So I guess you also believe that Saddam really had WMDs, something that even Dick Cheney would now disavow?

The guy is a Republican operative. Come on, that's not even controversial.
 
Joe, I know all about that. Are you deliberately confusing the issue? I didn't say anything about using mentions and replies. I know that the messages are private. But when you send AN IMAGE VIA DIRECT MESSAGE, the image still shows up in Yfrog.

I admit I learned about this only because milowent mentioned it. But I've tested it. Look, I can't upload a screencap to the comments section,a nd this argument betweent he two of us does not warrant a separate post. Send a message to me at my email and I'll show you a screencapture to prove the point. All of the images that Chalice153 has sent to Gdowson153 showed up in Chalice's Yfrog account.
 
A little O/T but I realized when I went to Breitbart's site to look at the tweet timeline, that Breitbart's article claimed "Neither Weiner nor his staff have explained the uncanny coincidence that the congressman was tweeting out the time in Seattle just a few hours before the the now infamous crotch-shot tweet was addressed to a Seattle co-ed."

The woman is not a Seattle co-ed. She is a coed in Whatcom County (Bellingham, hometown of Glenn Beck). It's 90 miles from Seattle.
It's like confusing San Diego for LA.
 
I've seen a spreadsheet on another site that has more convincing data that Tweetcongress did capture the sender, and it was Tweetdeck. It comes down to the source on that one. I'd like to believe he's an honest source.

However, that doesn't explain the URL anomaly - unless that also appears in new Tweetdeck posts (and Yfrog has changed, so that wouldn't necessarily be the same.) It would still be worth testing.

The argument that he couldn't have been hacked and still on Tweetdeck at the same time is bogus, though. He couldn't have been hacked by someone who changed his password, but if he reused his password across accounts, a clever hacker would only have had to find out one of them to know all of them. No reason to change the password and alert suspicion. That's what happened to Twitter bigwigs a couple years ago.

An IP log would go a long way to figuring out what happened.
 
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Saturday, June 04, 2011

THAT photo

I noticed something odd about the notorious crotch photo: Everyone is displaying it upside down. The table legs visible in the photo reveal the proper orientation.

Here, I have displayed the photograph correctly. Click to enlarge.

The original version was (intentionally?) cropped to make it appear that the subject of the photo was standing. In this version, it is clear that subject is sitting. (The cropped and reversed version -- the one you've all seen -- is below.) Once the image is oriented correctly, it becomes pretty clear that someone else might have snapped it from behind the left shoulder.

It's also pretty clear that the subject is not Weiner. The guy in this shot is massive -- incredibly huge -- and he's not even erect. In fact, he seems flaccid. The universe of possible candidates is actually pretty small. Judging from other photos of Weiner, the congressman is not in that universe.

Incidentally: Those of you who have said that "he hasn't denied" are guilty of selective quotation. Weiner has denied. He has made clear that he isn't built like this. (His words to Rachel Maddow: "I wish.")

I don't think that this image has been Photoshopped. For one thing, enlarging the penis to cartoonish proportions hardly helped the framer make his case. If anything, enlargement of that area would have been a supremely foolish move. The smear job would have been more persuasive if a the photo depicted a normal-sized man. Besides, I can see no "tells" indicating image manipulation, and I have some experience with Photoshop.
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where's jeff gannon these days?
 
Well that shot answers one question I had. I thought one of the republican pranksters might have used a photo of their own junk. The size is a give-a-way and also the reason most republicans are so mean.
 
Actually, look at where in the briefs the supposed phallus starts. Kind of east of the Y. Unless his dick starts on his hip bone, I'm not sure this is even an actual penis.
 
It is obvious that's not a real "weiner" but rather someone stock a New York sausage inside their briefs, must likely done by DW.
 
You nailed it, Mike. LMAO!
 
Considering the co-conspirator Mike Stack (@goatsred) was a porn site moderator and is a current member of a number of porn sites I'm guessing this picture came from his likely extensive porn library.

This thorough debunking of Weinergate is one reason I love the internet. The Tea Party harassment of the young girls is one reason I hate it. Makes the stalking of teen girls even creepier when you see what a perv goatsred is.
 
It's me. I confess.
 
I may be too innocent (or ignorant)to understand why, but the bulge seems to be two-sided in a somewhat odd way.
 
I believe that most of whatever is in that underwear is not real, the tip doesn't taper. It looks like rolled paper to me.
 
That penis is not Anthony's and not real. Weiner stuffed a dildo in his drawers and faked his size to the internet. I demand Wolf Blitzer get to the bottom of this.
 
@alix, that's exactly what I thought when I saw the whole pic. The placement is wrong and the outline is wholly incorrect. It looks more like a pair of socks than a penis
 
Looks fake! Faker than the fakest birth certificate, almost as fake as evidence of Iraqi WMD.
 
Of course, if you never intend to meet the person then faking it is not big deal.

I'm not sure if the guy is "flaccid". I wonder if he's had penis enlargement surgery where the ligaments at the base of the penis have been cut.
 
Unless his dick starts on his hip bone, I'm not sure this is even an actual penis."

Yeah, I see that too...
 
You're right, Alix. It starts the wrong place, and it's too big to be true. Some adolescent has stuck a salami down his knickers and had his photo taken.

I don't imagine it would be difficult for Weiner to prove that whatever's causing that bulge can't be his knob.
 
The photo could have been made with something else stuck in the underpants. But that "something else" must have an appropriately-shaped head.

Was Photoshop used to create something that wasn't there? It's possible. But whoever did that would have been immensely skilled. Look carefully at the texture of the underwear: That sort of thing makes a job like this really, really difficult, to the point of being nightmarish. You can't just use the clone tool, because the texture is wrapped in a curved pattern which is actually somewhat complex. If I were asked to create something like this, I'd have to paint an underlying picture in grey tones and then overlay a pattern taken from a real pair of undies. The pattern could be shaped using the liquify command. But even THEN the results might look crummy.

And then there's the problem of masking. Look closely, and you'll see wispy fuzz along the edge of the linen against the background. Now, you could DO that -- you could painstakingly outline each little wisp of fuzz using the quickmask tool. But lemme tell ya, 99% of the Photoshop artists out there would not bother with that detail -- even when they are paid big bucks, as when they do up a movie poster.

No, I would tend to rule out Photoshop. We can't rule it out completely, but it's not the way to bet. Either this is a guy who stuck a fake penis in his shorts as a joke, or this is a really, really well-hung guy.
 
I should here mention another point which very few have noted, even though it is pretty damned obvious. If you use twitter to send a photo, that photo shows up in YOUR Yfrog account as well! And it is thus available to anyone.

I discovered that after one night of experimentally using Twitter. Any seasoned twitter user would know this.

It just does not make sense that Weiner would make a picture like this public.
 
You just know that once it's out there that the junk shot is an anatomical impossibility and not Rep. Weiner's own they'll be accusing him of false advertising.
 
How is this porn? A two-headed penis belongs in Ripley's Believe It or Not. Of course, something was stuck in the underwear. That's why one head was cropped out of the first picture. That's why there has to be a pair of panties hiding the goods. And that's why the picture was taking with the person reclining (so the fake penis didn't fall out). No?
 
Did I miss something? Where did this original photo come from?
Also, any reason to believe "Dan Wolfe" is not, in fact, an alias used by Mike Stack (his denials notwithstanding)?
 
The pictures don't look the same i.e. the one that's right side up has a table leg in it and the one being mediashopped doesn't.

Why?
 
The picture looks like someone with their arm in their pants.

Two sided: the hand.
 
Seriously guys? Have any of you even checked yourselves? This looks perfectly normal size. If none of your penises make it halfway across your thigh like on the picture, I feel sorry for you...
 
This is the only comment by Seivo that I'm going to allow. Because it is really, really funny.
 
Oops! I meant to say Seixon. Sorry; I'm double-tasking here.
 
And even with all the evidence that this was a fake up from the get go, the morons commenting over at breitbart.com are still at it....

http://www.breitbart.tv/mark-shields-what-the-hell-is-a-member-of-congress-having-portraits-of-his-crotch-available-for-distribution/

Heaven forbid reality get in the way of a partisan rant.
 
"The guy in this shot is massive -- incredibly huge -- and he's not even erect. In fact, he seems flaccid."

All anyone ever needs to read in order to vote GOP for the rest of one's life....
 
This is the first time I've seen the un-cropped photo... you see a table-leg or chair-leg AND a distinctive wooden floor pattern... FORGET taking sides, does anyone know if Weiner has been asked if that's the flooring from his residence or office? If it is, game-over, right?!
 
I agree about the size and the two headed comment. It's just way too thick and round, and I agree that it looks to start way too far off center. The angle of the lens (whether the guy was sitting or not) on a skinny guy, like Weiner, would probably produce a thinner looking leg, possibly more tan looking as well. I don't see any leg hair, I would think he'd have dark leg hair showing.
 
As for the size and where it starts....I normally don't wear boxer briefs like this, but wore some last night to bed and did a comparison to this famous photo with my morning wood.

The boxer briefs create an illusion of the shaft starting beyond the point of origin at the center of your netherregions. The knit fabric tents beyond the point of origin because it's pulled up by the firm shaft and tip. So the tenting adds a few inches of rod illusion toward the hip opposite where the glans points.

I proved it myself this morning in bed.
 
Silly me. I posted @ 12:30 wondering where the pics came from; I now know that one (the cropped one) came from Breitbart, and the other one came from Dan Wolfe's screen cap: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/05/982416/-The-Photo-Is-Upside-Down-%28NSFW%29?via=siderec
 
Two words: Al Bundy.

This is a person sitting Al Bundy style, with his arm down his BVDs. That is a FOREARM, not a wang.

Much ado about nothing. Call it not-a-weiner gate.
 
I knew I wasn't totally insane!

I posted about the strange angle of the photo last Wednesday.
 
It's his hand. Surely? His right hand. And as for why it's upside down - if your right hand is in your pants, you need to take the picture with the left. Try and do that and you'll find the shutter release is on the wrong side of the camera, so you need to hold the camera upside down and use your thumb. Which then gives you with an upside-down image (the one that was circulated previously). Am I right?
 
No one seems to be asking WHY the photo was changed before Breitbart released it.

Altering the photo encouraged Weiner to lie. It gave him the out of being able to say he couldn't tell "with certitude" if it was him. It gave him the TRUTH that the photo had been manipulated. It probably also gave him the internal question of HOW did Breitbart get the photo, since it maybe wasn't the one he had actually tweeted.

I sure hope the Congressional investigation is very, very thorough.
 
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To all who have praised my investigative skills...

...you're wrong. This day, and hardly for the first time, I made a classic error: By opening my fat yap, I have potentially tipped off an enemy. Such blundering is unforgivable.
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Dear Joe,

It seemed to have been a collaborative effort but you asked all the right questions.

Your loyal reader
Lastlemming
 
Still a great job on your part. BTW, the infamous photo looks like some wack horndog sticking his arm beneath the pants. Pretty hairless legs (maybe a gal?).
 
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It's a conspiracy. Yes, that IS the right word (Important update)

In light of the new information that has come out, anyone who doesn't acknowledge Dan Wolfe's guilt must be ignorant, insane or purchased. We now have a better understanding of why Breitbart has turned on Dan Wolfe.

It seems that Dan had cohorts. Of course, we've known that fact all along; but we're learning more about the other conspirators.

Update: The Smoking Gun has lots of new info on Mike Stack, Dan Wolfe's partner and fellow zealot. Very pertinent stuff...
Stack fought frequently with a woman who accused him of stalking her online, and alleged that he admitted to opening numerous Twitter accounts posing as her.
In one 2009 post, Stack fired back at some of his online enemies, warning them to “be careful of what you say.” He claimed, “I can find out anything about anyone. The software and programs that I have at my disposal, in addition to the people who work in the wi-fi and technology field that I am partnered with make me a virtual cyber detective.”
So: Stack had the know-how to get the photo onto the account. And he has posed as other people before. The net closes...

And now back to our post:

Tommy Christopher delivers a great deal of truly new information about the events of that evening. I hope both Christopher and the readers will forgive lengthy quotation (a bad blogging practice which this site usually eschews):
It was Betty [pseudonym for an underaged Weiner follower] who pointed out the activities of Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76) and his clique, including a man named Mike Stack (@goatsred). She had a lot of information that I could not verify, but those facts that were independently verifiable formed the basis of our reporting on Wolfe Sunday afternoon. Wolfe and Stack, along with several others, had engaged in a campaign of harassing young, mostly-underage girls who were being followed by Rep. Weiner, as well as a constant stream of vitriol, homophobic innuendo, and rumormongering against Rep. Weiner. Betty was one of those young girls, and their unwanted attention, she says, caused her to shut down her Twitter feed.

Betty’s mother (we’ll call her Mrs. Betty) says that she and her husband monitor all of Betty’s internet usage, and were incensed by this group’s behavior. Rep. Weiner, she confirms, never contacted Betty privately, with the exception of a Direct Message welcoming her to his Twitter stream, a message Mrs. Betty assumed was automatically generated.
Another underaged girl, named Veronica, became desperate for attention and decided to start telling lies. She told Mike Stack (Wolfe's partner) that Weiner had made inappropriate comments to her and Betty. This was not true. (This is the stripped-down version of a complex tale.) Veronica's false story was part of what Dan Wolfe referred to when he said "We have more!"
Once we published our story about Dan Wolfe, Andrew called me again, and it was clear from the conversation that he had genuine concerns about Wolfe as a source, and that he had been unaware of his prior activity on Twitter. Through our contemporaneous conversations throughout this story, it has been clear that Andrew Breitbart followed leads that were submitted to him, rather than that he engineered any of this, and as far as presentation of documentary evidence, has acted responsibly throughout.
I disagree with this exoneration of Breitbart. No mainstream or "new media" journalist should ever use a source like Dan Wolfe.

Mediaite then goes on to excoriate Markos Moulitsas for printing the names of the two underaged girls mentioned above, one of whom (Betty) had nothing to do with her friend's fabrications. You gotta read the exchange between Christopher and Moulitsas, who proves to be utterly infuriating and flabbergasting.

I've long despised Moulitsas, but after reading this outrage, I would like to....hmm. How to word this? Let's be careful: I hereby promise never to punch Markos Moulitsas in the face or to commit any other illegal acts against his person. But if someone else were to come up to MM and insure that, behind those super-sized lips, a few teeth went missing, I would like to buy that individual a fine bottle of ale.

Now let's get back to the conspiracy. The following comes from a statement offered by Betty's mother:
When Rep Weiner followed my daughter the one and only message he sent her was welcoming her to his twitter followers and suggested he go to his website for more information. My husband and I were delighted with this message as it furthered our daughter’s interest in learning about government. We were very grateful to Rep Weiner for this and saw nothing wrong or inappropriate with this message.

This was the one and only message that Rep Weiner sent our daughter. Our daughter sent a message thanking Rep Weiner for following her and thanking him for the welcome message. This was the one and only message our daughter sent to Rep Weiner.

Soon after she was following Rep Weiner, a group of grown men and a few grown woman who described themselves as “concerned mothers” began harassing my daughter. I can assure you, as a mother, I’ve never heard of such disgusting behavior. My daughter, with our permission, responded to these attacks on Rep Weiner following her with grace and maturity – which is something that cannot be said for these “mothers” and their fellow grown men involved in the attack.

These mothers and their grown male friends attacked the intentions and character of Rep Weiner to our daughter and suggested that he was somehow perverse for following her. This disgusted myself and my husband. They were attacking a man, who has done nothing to them and has done nothing wrong.

Ultimately, Rep Weiner had to unfollow our daughter as a favor to her so these attacks would stop. We were sorry that these bullies caused this and we were disgusted to see that even after he unfollowed her, this group of so called mothers and grown men — continued to try and contact my daughter.
The following comes from Betty:
I was so excited because we were learning about politics in school and he is a great hero of mine. This excitement turned to fear when a group of women and men started harassing me for following Rep Weiner and for being followed by him. They said the most terrible things about him.

He was forced to unfollow me so they would stop harassing me. But they did not stop. One man, goatsred – tried to contact me. I locked my account. After I locked my account he tried to follow me and I denied him. My parents made me shut down my account as a result.
In light of this, how can anyone not think that these conspirators -- that much-abused word is here perfectly appropriate -- are responsible for the "crotch shot" upload? Consider the facts:

1. At the time of the upload, there was -- incontestably -- a conspiracy to besmirch Congressman Weiner. The conspirators were zealous, paranoid, and organized.

2. The political operatives involved in this conspiracy were so thoroughly unscrupulous that they harassed and stalked underaged girls and attempted to get them to make false accusations.

3. The members of this conspiracy had noteworthy computer skills. We may presume that they possessed enough tech savvy to use the Yfrog exploit described in earlier posts (and which apparently has been known to computer security experts for some time).

4. The conspirators were also willing to adopt fake personas and to tell false stories in order to get the information they sought.

5. Conspirator Dan Wolfe "happened" upon the crotch shot immediately. He drew attention to it via various tweets -- tweets which hardly read like he had accidentally stumbled across the thing.

6. Conspirator Dan Wolfe lied about the 640x480 version of the picture, which ought to have been in his browser cache. Based on experiments published in earlier posts, we have very good reason to believe that the 640x480 version of the image probably would have the EXIF metadata indicating camera make and date creation.

7. Conspirator Dan Wolfe lied when he said that he found the 800x600 version of the image in his browser cache. The image bears a date stamp of May 30. There is no innocent explanation for this -- at least, none that I can conceive of. (Odd, isn't it, that Weiner's attackers never talk about this problem? Arguably, that image is the only piece of hard evidence in the case -- and the date stamp is all wrong!)

8. The format of the Yfrog page indicates that an outsider uploaded the offending photo.

9. Conspirator Dan Wolfe lied when he said that he has nothing to hide and that he welcomes an investigation. He has, in fact, gone into hiding. He won't reveal his real name. (It may not be Dan Wolfe.) He won't communicate. He deleted his Twitter account. I accused him in print of framing Weiner and then invited him to sue me, with the understanding that I would exercise my right of discovery. He has not contacted me.

10. Judging from this tweet, Breitbart himself now believes or suspects that Dan Wolfe is responsible.

11. Dan had predicted the sex scandal with the jackass confidence of one who intended to make his prophecy come true. He later said that he had heard a rumor that a scandal was in the offing, but that he did not know that Weiner was involved. Once again, Dan Wolfe lied. On May 12, he wrote that "top5 RightWing blogger has sexscandal pics" of Weiner. (Emphasis added.)

12. Dan's use of the word "has" indicates the present, not the future. If the photo existed on May 12 -- as Dan's statement strongly implies -- then the fraudulence of his account of May 27 becomes incontestable.

I am curious about this "top5 RightWing blogger," who may hold the key to unraveling the mystery.

As readers know, I've suspected for a while that the photo was obtained from one of Anthony Weiner's former lovers. If this theory is true, Weiner may have been sleeping when the shot was taken.

I now suspect that this photo (and others?) were given to a conservative blogger on May 12. The conspirators may have decided that the story would have done no significant damage to Weiner, and that it would be better to use it in a much more devious way. The "top5 RightWing blogger" is thus a co-conspirator.

Any guesses as to the identity of that blogger? I note that Michelle Malkin is a follower of George Gooding. If that lady has scruples, they haven't been brought to my attention.

I have to give these conspirators credit: They somehow knew that the media would tell and retell false versions of this story. Take, for example this story, which is filled with lies -- including the presumption that Weiner and Gennette Cordova had an online romantic relationship. In other words, the writer claims that Gennette's statement was false. She should sue.

We saw a similar aura of dangerous smugness in the early days of Whitewater. Back then, writers and journalists radiated false hipness: Oh, everyone knows the Clintons are guilty; of course they are; don't be naive...

One last word about Breitbart and "new media" ethics. This entire story was based on Breitbart's willingness to accept the word of a man he had never met, a source whose voice he had never heard and whose real name remains unknown. No "lamestream" journalist would have contemplated using such a source. Breitbart cannot be absolved.

By contrast: For over two years, I have sat on a real "extramarital" story involving a member of the Obama administration. The tale is rather tawdry but in no way criminal. My decision to let the story lie dormant has nothing to do with any love for this administration; regular readers know my feelings. What keeps me from pursuing the matter is the fact that I have only one source. I've met her and do not believe her to be a fantasist. She is an infinitely more credible source than is someone like Dan Wolfe. But a single-source story is, in the end, a single-source story. Besides, I have no desire to place this woman in a position where she must confront hordes of reporters.
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Michael Savage was in full howl last night calling Rep. Weiner any number of names. The AM talk republicans will ride this one into the dirt knowing that their listeners won't bother to check for themselves.

Have you contacted this Luke Broadwater's editor to file a complaint? You and other Sun readers should. Don't let them get away with a correction and or apology buried in the "Fish Wrap" section of the paper.
 
Congratulations on a story well broke and a job well done. I hope you feel a bit more vindicated in your blogging efforts as compared to a week or so ago.
 
As readers know, I've suspected for a while that the photo was obtained from one of Anthony Weiner's former lovers. If this theory is true, Weiner may have been sleeping when the shot was taken

are you serious? have you looked at the photo?
 
Anonymous, I let your comment through (even though I reserve the right to delete anonymous comments) because you asked an interesting question.

Have YOU looked at the photo?

I've noticed some odd things about it.
 
My question is... why should I even assume that the photo is of Cong. W? It could be any man in gray briefs. (Circumcised, that much I can see, but that doesn't mean much.)

It seems to me that it would be a lot easier just to use a stock photo or something grabbed from another site or a photo of Wolfe himself than to somehow get into someone else's computer and find a crotch shot. But I figure I'm missing something that says this photo came off the cong's PC?
 
Alix -- well, a lot of people are saying that the Congressman's refuals to deny that it could be him is an admission that it IS him.

But oddly, when people quote Weiner, they don't really quote him. Have you noticed that?

Weiner has said pretty clearly that he isn't that big. As he said to Maddow: "I wish." He has also said (and nobody has noticed this) that he didn't take the shot.

Which, of course, leaves open the possibility that someone else took it. Maybe while he was asleep.

Or maybe it's not him at all. I'm now leaning that way.

I've noticed something odd about the photo, and I might as well reveal it here: It's always reproduced upside down. The upside down version makes it seem as though the subject is standing. Turn it 180 degrees and it becomes clear that subject is reclining.

(How do we know that we should orient the shot in that way? Look at the table legs in the background.)

When you orient the thing properly, one thing becomes clear: This guy's package is MASSIVE.

Porn star huge.
 
It's possible, you know, that Mark Furman is a racist AND OJ is guilty. It's possible that Stack and Wolfe are creepy AND Weiner tweeted his dick.

Alix, some Kos user (can't remember who) has already searched all the stock galleries high and low and came up with no match for the famous dicpic.
 
arhooley, you don't know how the porn industry works. There are TONS of images behind password protected walls. And there are TONS AND TONS of stills taken during shoots that never get published.
 
I still maintain that that "package" isn't what it's supposed to be and is instead a foreign object -- to me it looks like some idiot stuck a microphone with the handle wrapped in kleenex in their shorts and took a photo.

Regardless -- anyone who'd attack kids online simply because they've followed a politician on twitter are about as sick and disgusting as it gets. To try to call themselves "concerned parents" while doing so just makes it even more obscene. You don't harangue kids to show concern, that's just ridiculous. I would love to see the kids parents sue the creeps who did that to their daughter... isn't cyber stalking illegal now? The "adults" who did that should be charged.
 
Isn't it easy to edit an image file's metadata?
 
Mike Stack, in an interview last night with Lee Stranahan, said that Dan Wolfe told him the Top 5 blogger was Drudge. Of course everything Dan Wolfe says is a lie, so who knows. Stack said he got the from Wolfe and Wolfe alone. He says the email that came to him was from Wolfe, it was not a forward as Wolfe asserted in his Ladd interview. Interview here:

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And still the smears continue... (Important update on Dan Wolfe)

This is an open letter to Luke Broadwater of the Baltimore Sun, who published a deceptive, ignorant and rather smarmy piece entitled "The evidence is clear: Weiner sent the Tweet."

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Mr. Broadwater, one of your commenters has asked: Who debunked this story? Lots of people have done so, including myself.

When my blog revealed the gaping security hole in Yfrog (that's the service which allows one to tweet pictures), the company shut down service for a day in order to patch the problem.

Yfrog's security problem allowed any outsider to upload an image to someone else's twiiterstream. The result would look as though the account holder had uploaded the picture himself. The outsider need not know the password to do this -- therefore, this was not really a hack. It was, however, VERY sloppy security.

Imagine what could happen if anyone who knew your email address could post a story to the Baltimore Sun under your byline. That, believe it or not, is more or less the way Yfrog worked.

There was one small "tell," however. The formatting of a Yfrog page is slightly different if someone other than the account holder uploads a picture. There is an oddity in the header.

That oddity is present in the screen capture of the Yfrog page taken on the night of the 27th.

The anomaly may be subtle, but it proves the congressman's innocence. My blog post explicating this issue (with copious illustrations) is here:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2011/06/weiner-affair-close-to-solution-but-i.html

An independent expert in hacking double-checks my work here:

http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/433-We-Have-A-Weiner.html

Many, many people replicated the experiment to prove that the security flaw existed. The fact that Yfrog changed their application proves that I was right.

It was always absurd to presume that Weiner uploaded that picture. Gennette Cordova, the college student who allegedly was supposed to receive the picture (she never got it) says that the congressman had previously sent her only brief, appropriate messages. Unless you are calling her a liar -- and even Weiner's enemies are now unwilling to do that -- then we must presume that she was largely unknown to Weiner.

How could he have known how old she was or what she looked like?

The idea that any man, let alone a married congressman, would send a crotch shot out of the blue to a woman he did not know at all and whose reaction he could not gauge -- well, that notion is, on its face, ridiculous.

If you are saying that Weiner DID know Gennette, then you are calling her a liar. That accusation bears a legal and ethical responsibility.

Gennette had been cyber-stalked by a pathologically obsessed Weiner foe named Dan Wolfe, who has also been bothering other people following the congressman. She describes his despicable behavior in her statement. When she learned of the photo, Gennette immediately presumed that Dan was responsible.

By "happenstance," Dan Wolfe was the first (and nearly the only) person to note the presence of the picture, almost immediately after it was uploaded. He then tried to draw as much attention to the picture as possible. His own tweets that night read like someone crudely drawing attention to his own handiwork.

Previously, he had "predicted" the scandal in absurd detail. Those alleged "prophecies" give the lie to his claim that he came across the photo by happenstance.

After the scandal broke, Dan produced a larger version of the photo allegedly found on his browser cache. The EXIF metadata on this photo indicates a creation date of May 30 -- three days after the incident. There is no innocent explanation for this date.

Andrew Brietbart, the person who published Dan's "find," now suspects that Dan uploaded the photo. Brietbart has stated as much in his own tweets.

Your other points are easily refuted. Why doesn't Weiner ask for an investigation? The answer is obvious. First, since the account was (in a strictly technical sense) not hacked, it is an open question whether any laws were broken. Second, and more importantly: If Weiner were to sue Dan or to ask for an investigation, he would open himself up for Discovery and Deposition.

That's the key point which people like you never tell your readers.

In a deposition, Weiner would be asked questions, on the record, not just about the events of the 27th but also about his entire life history. In other words, the frame-up conducted on the 27th would set the stage for a Ken Starr-style fishing expedition.

Any lawyer worth his salt would counsel Weiner to steer clear of that nightmare situation.

Frankly, I think that a fishing expedition is precisely what you want.

You say Weiner has engaged in some sort of cover-up. No, he hasn't. Refusal to provide his enemies with their much longed-for fishing expedition hardly constitutes a cover-up.

Is the photo of Anthony Weiner? I don't know. What if it is? It might well have been a joke photo, a shot taken during a night of drinking at a frat house, or detritus from an online dalliance conducted years ago. Or it might be someone else. We do not know. Moreover, we have no business making the inquiry.

As noted above, and as all agree, Dan Wolfe is obsessed. I can easily see him contacting Weiner's old girlfriends, one of whom may bear both a grudge and a few embarrassing old photos.

Dan hinted as much when he told Breitbart (in recently released emails) that "There is more." Those three words indicate that what occurred on the 27th was not happenstance but the first stage of an ongoing defamation campaign.

Can you honestly say that this attempt to frame the congressman should give rise to a situation where investigators ask him "Have you ever in your life taken a photo of your crotch"? No one has any right to ask such a question.

Have you ever seen a movie called The Contender? Same situation. You're playing the Gary Oldman role. That whole movie was about Joan Allen's principled refusal to answer questions about her sexual history.

Under the pretext of trying to clear up a specific situation, you want to ask deeply personal and intrusive questions about a man's entire history.

Anyone who wants to ask Weiner, as Wolf Blitzer tried to ask, "Have you ever pointed a camera lens at your groin?" is simply fishing for scandal. That is the most odious form of journalism imaginable.

Incidentally, in 1988, when a CNN reporter asked George H.W. Bush whether he had an affair (as some evidence suggested), he refused to answer. That, in my opinion, was the correct response.

The only question you or any other reporter may properly ask Weiner concerns the night of the 27th. Weiner has been consistent in his denials that he uploaded the shot. And that is that is that.

No laws were broken or brushed. The woman insists that the congressman did nothing inappropriate. Having dealt with Dan Wolfe before, she immediately presumed that Dan uploaded the photo. I, for one, respect her judgment. Dan's own publisher now suspects or believes that Dan did it.

The tech involved clearly indicates that Weiner was innocent. The evidence is clear: Weiner did NOT send the tweet.

You want to go fishing? Find a lake.
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So Rep. Weiner would be treated differently then when Gov. Palin had her email hacked?

For the trial of the hacker, they did not go into her whole life story in "discovery".

She chose a public trial and David C. Kernell was convicted of felony destruction of records to hamper a federal investigation and misdemeanor unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer.

Joe
 
Obviously, Weiner would be treated differently. No-one doubted that Palin was the victim. No one had tried to frame her.

But let's say Dan Wolfe stopped hiding, and let's say Weiner sued him. Wolfe's lawyers would try to do whatever they could to make it seem that Weiner has really uploaded a dirty photo on the 27th.

So you can imagine how the deposition (under oath) would go:

"Mr. Weiner, have you ever taken a photograph of your genetalia?"

"Have you ever traded photographs over the internet with someone you consider a potential sexual partner?"

And so on.

Those questions would probably be considered allowable. And any answer could potentially get Weiner into trouble.

This is the sort of fishing expedition that got Clinton into trouble. Questioned in the Paula Jones case, he was asked questions about other women. Those questions had no relevance to the matter at hand, and the judge should have disallowed that line of inquiry. But she (the judge was a she, wasn't it? This was a long tie ago, and memory fades...) allowed it.

Weiner's lawyers would be insane to tell their client to get anywhere near a circus like that.

The only reason the Republicans are pushing for an investigation (despite the lack of any kind of crime) is to place Weiner into a position where he can be deposed.

There were a few episodes of "The West Wing" where we saw this trick in action.

So...back to Palin. Under what pretext could the lawyers for the accused have taken the opportunity to ask her humiliating questions? There was no way to do it. The nature of the crime was very different.
 
Nice job, Joe - you're obviously right. Here are one broad question and one observation.

Question: why are Weiner's opponents after him, in particular, now?

I just skimmed his Wikipedia page. As well as saying the NYT is biased against Israel (talk about being more Catholic than the Pope!), he spoke against selling weapons to Saudi...

So he's a potential runner against Bloomberg as NY mayor in 2013? Makes you wonder whether Strauss-Kahn may also have been smeared, or maybe set up.

Observation: there seem to be a few big stories about 'security' on Twitter at the moment. Who's doing what to whom?
 
Joe, it says in the blog post that the "hacking" done by (allegedly) Dan Wolfe wasn't illegal. Therefore it cannot be prosecuted in a criminal court the way Palin's e-mail hacking was. It would have to be a civil lawsuit filed by Weiner (libel, defamation of character, whatever) and the onus would be on him to prove the facts of the case. Basically, he would have to prove that wasn't his photo and that he didn't post it. For that there would have to be discovery and deposition.

Tony
 
I accidentally deleted a comment (which I'll repost if it comes back) which referenced a Washington Post story in which Gennette Cordova offered the speculation that the crotch pic was sent to someone else.

Not possible. For one thing, we know that the crotch pic was uploaded by an outsider. If Weiner had done it, the formatting of the Yfrog page would have been different.

Second, the accompanying tweet had Gennete's name. It has to be typed out.

This is clearly a Republican dirty trick -- an attempt to replicate Whitewater. Throughout much of the 1990s, "everyone who was anyone" was positive that Whitewater was a real scandal, that Susan McDougal was covering up for Clinton and all the rest of it. If you said "This is pure bullshit -- a frame job, a dirty trick" people laughed at you for being naive or partisan.

But Whitewater WAS a dirty trick -- a bullshit charge cobbled together to give an excuse for a fishing expedition.

And what we are seeing here is OBVIOUSLY the same vile trick.

Give it up. Dan Wolfe is obviously guilty. If he wants an investigation, why isn't he suing me?

Fortunately, the message is getting through...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/9265858-the-latest-twitter-prank-exposes-anthony-wieners-playboy-past
 
""THE"" evidence is clear".

If "evidence" is what matters, why then do we use science anymore?
google: ->
Richard Vatz
Joe Navarro

How does it come, this, methodically, reminds us of
medi(a)evil INQUISITION ?

This is much bigger ...
 
"The EXIF metadata on this photo indicates a creation date of May 30 -- three days after the incident. There is no innocent explanation for this date."

Once again your nonexistent technical knowledge puts you in the ditch.

The created date that shows up on the image properties is the date the image was generated in the web browser. All the EXIF data is gone in the only version of the pic that has been released, due to it coming from the browser cache.

Thus, there is no "taken date", which comes from EXIF data from the camera. You have thus confused "created date" and "taken date" because you don't know the difference.

Just check any image on the web. Load the page, download the image to your desktop, right click it, check the details/properties, and it will always show "created date" as the date you loaded the image in the browser.

It's about time you stop talking about things of which you haven't got the slightest clue, Mr. Cannon.
 
Georgie, you're so cute. The date on which he downloaded the picture was the 27th. Everyone admits that the date mystery is, in fact, a mystery -- except you.

And you're not accounting for the "RIM" reference, indicating a Blackberry. When the EXIF data gets replaced, it ALL goes.

Don't think you can take me to school on Photoshop, me boyo. Deke McClellan sure could, but you ain't him.
 
OOPs looks like you are the ignorant fool!!!
 
I think you owe Mr. Broadwater and a host of others an apology for your and others incorrect analysis.
 
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A mystery attacker exposed: Meet the mighty SEIXON!

This is an update to the previous post. Parts of it may not make sense unless you've read what came before. In short and in sum: I've been attacked by a creature named George Gooding, the new darling of the "get Weiner" brigade.

I've uncovered something very unnerving about this fellow. The truth emerged only after a sleepless night of sparring with George in the comments. (You can read the play-by-play if you scroll down to the post below) We had hours of techno-battle, and then...samsara.

We'll get to that great revelation soon. First, let's get up to speed on the tech argument. (If this section confuses you, read the previous post first. Or just skim and get the gist.)

Turns out George didn't know -- and neither did I -- that Weiner really did use a PC-based app called TweetDeck on May 27. His record indicates that he never used it before that date. Weird.

Is that fact germane? No. George's whole argument hinges on the presupposition that Weiner used TweetDeck or some similar app during his entire Twittering career, and thus never established a Yfrog account -- which would mean that he never had a "secret" Yfrog address appended to his images.

Well, that presupposition is wrong. Weiner had sent images via his Blackberry on previous occasions. He had to have established a Yfrog account at some point, because you can't use Tweetdeck on a Blackberry. (George deceptively refused to tell people about that.) There is at least one tweet marked "from Yfrog."

As far as Milowent could determine (he is examining the available record), Weiner never did the Tweetdeck thing before the 27th. Again: Weird. But that fact hardly impacts what I said about the Yfrog exploit.

I opened a Twitter account as "Chalice153" and used Tweetdeck to send a picture to Dowson. (It's so cute to watch your fictional creations talk to each other!) Even though Chalice never opened a Yfrog page, an account was created for her. Could someone have used the exploit to send a pic to that account? Gooding says no. I think the answer is yes. We can't test the proposition now that Yfrog has changed its policies.

Isn't that conveeeeeenient?

When Weiner got started on Twitter, the only app for the Blackberry that sent pics is something called Twitterberry -- ye gods, what a puerile name! And that app appends the words "from Twitterberry" to the messages. We can't see those words anywhere in Weiner's twitterings.

Nope. George's theory is a no-go.

Weiner had a Yfrog account. And he never said otherwise on the Rachel Maddow show, despite George's lying claims to the contrary. Weiner actually claimed that he was kind of fuzzy about what Yfrog actually did -- as are a lot of other non-techie Twitter users, no doubt. (I give the full quote in the previous post. George has an aversion to accurate quotation.)

Let this sink in. George falsely claimed that Weiner had said something to Maddow which he did not actually say. And then George maintained this false claim even after I typed up the direct quote.

That is very strange behavior, to say the least. But it gets stranger.

Read the comments and you'll see: Turns out George made a slip up which revealed that he never even saw the Maddow interview in question! Thus, he never heard the words that he twisted and transformed into the heart of his argument.

That's the moment when I started to wonder: Who IS this guy?

So I had a better look at his site. Check it out. Notice something strange?

George is a ghost.

Well, at least his site is ghostly.

My now-notorious post called that site into existence. His "blog" contains not a single post predating it.

He gives no background. No history. No indication of being any sort of real human being. His site is a bare-bones affair.

Yet all of a sudden, he is in communication with all the superstars of the right (even though he claims to be non-partisan.) They are all twittering away with him. Look at his (brief) record.

Last night, I was inundated with a zillion taunting messages from righties. It was obviously a coordinated effort. (Many regular Cannonfire readers witnessed similar coordination when the Obots went on the rampage back in 2008. We know what this sort of thing feels like. Axelrod is an amateur compared to his right-wing counterparts.) The taunters all screeched about how the famous, fabulous George Gooding had kicked my ass.

Uh huh. Right. Question: How did zillions of righties even hear about a blog that is so new that Google still doesn't even list it? How did these people learn about that blog on its FIRST NIGHT OF EXISTENCE?

Now, when I say that George is a ghost, I refer to his current spectral existence as a blogger. His site has no existence preceding the Weiner affair.

In a previous life, however, George did have a presence in Norway. Here, Mr. NonPartisan denounces "Bush hate." (Most of the rest is in Norwegian.) His Norwegian site is here. Running the page through Google translate reveals that Mr. Nonpartisan is pretty damned partisan.

Let's dig further. Turns out George used to write under another name -- one that I had encountered before, although I could recall it only vaguely. Forgive the hazy memory, George, but 2006 was five years ago and I don't travel in rightist circles. (And I don't usually read Think Progress.)

Back in 2006, George wrote for the National Review and other ever-so-non-partisan venues. At the time, he used the mysterious byline Seixon.

Seixon focused on Plame-gate, always siding with rightists while pretending to be centrist. He was involved with a weird contretemps I did not follow involving Jason Leopold, Larisa Alexandrovna and Larry Johnson. Seixon/Gooding seems to think that Larisa was involved with a huge conspiracy, and that claim is ridiculous. (I have no stake in defending that woman, but she sure as hell ain't what Gooding imagines her to be.)

Basically, Gooding's National Review piece argued that "Plame-gate" was a con-job, a huge conspiracy against the Bush administration, concocted by a "tight knit group of intelligence professionals."

Around the same time, Gooding argued that Iraq really did have WMDs. Also see here. What does he offer? Lots of complex, highly abstruse argumentation. Lots of bullshit. All delivered to you in a flat, made-by-committee prose style free of authorial voice, sort of like Gerry Posner's.

Despite his continual defense of the W administration, "Seixon" claims to be a Democrat -- no, I'm not kidding. Obviously, that is a pose. He is a Republican operative who gets dragged out every so often.

The timing tells you all you need to know. My post had rattled some cages, so Georgie-poo established his blog. His first order of business was to spew some technoblather to try to undermine a point that a whole buncha of computer savvy people (even the guys on Little Green Footballs) had verified. And all of a sudden, literally overnight, everyone who is anyone on the right knows about this guy's out-of-nowhere insta-blog.

Do such things "just happen"? Come to your own conclusions.

The Republican point man leading the attack on Plame and Wilson created an entire damn website just to slam me. Wow!

Is George right about the Weiner controversy (and about yours truly)? Well, ask yourself: Do you think that Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are evil conspirators against the saintly W? Do you think that Bush was right about Saddam's WMDs?

If you think that way, get a shrink.

Gooding pretends to be a computer expert, but most of what he has said is dazzling, meaningless blather. Yeah, it's true: I dislike the very idea of Twitter and refuse to use it. But many seasoned Twitterers and computer experts have verified the existence of the Yfrog exploit which this blog publicized. I ran my first post on this topic past a very computer-savvy friend, just to make sure there weren't any major mistakes. The security hole was real -- as Yfrog itself now admits.

The folks at Yfrog have quietly shut down the ability to post from random email accounts. They claim that there have been no security compromises, and they obviously don't want anyone thinking that the changes have any link to Wiener. But the timing tells the real story. If my post was wrong, why did they do such a thing now?

As for George: His is a familiar type. When the Wiener controversy is done, Gooding's new insta-site will go away. He'll ruminate in Oslo for awhile until a new task arises -- and then he'll start a new new site. We've seen this sort of thing before.
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And here I thought you were done with ad hominem attacks. Bravo, bravo. I could have saved you a bunch of time if you had just asked me about all this.

By the way, I took down the latest post on my American blog, as I decided it just wasn't worth giving you the attention I gave you yesterday. Besides, you're letting me comment here now, so there's that.

You still demonstrate that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

You're still peddling the lie that I claimed Weiner used TweetDeck to post the picture, which I've never said.

You're still peddling the lie that I claimed you could use TweetDeck from a Blackberry.

You're still peddling the lie that one has to sign up for a Yfrog account for pictures to be posted through the service.

You still haven't understood that a Yfrog profile is created automatically when you post pictures, but an actual account with the ability to post through emails is not created until you authorize Yfrog with your Twitter account.

You're still peddling the lie that Weiner did not say to Maddow that he hadn't been to Yfrog until he wanted to delete the pictures, which is virtually verbatim what he said, which you even quoted yourself.

You still keep ignoring that Weiner tweeted right before the lewd photo what time he was going to be on the Maddow show - in Seattle time. You cannot talk about this, because it's too inconvenient.

Now, as for your attempt to impeach my credibility through ad hominem, I'd love to tell you all about who I am, what I have blogged about, what my political views are on a variety of subjects, but I don't really think it will be productive.

After all, you're just out to make me go away, and for me to stop pointing out niggling facts that ruin your laughably desperate defense of Weiner. That's all this is.

I started writing on my American blog, which has been laying there empty for many months, because - as I already told you - I felt that someone needed to provide some much needed technical information on this Weiner deal.

If you really believe still that I'm some kind of Republican attack dog, read through the conversation I had with Patterico on Twitter last night. You'll be hard pressed to find me saying anything overtly partisan or not on the level.

I live in Norway, a welfare state with a heavy dose of socialism, and that's fine by me. If you actually cared to explore the reality of me as a person, you'd probably be scared that I don't fit into the role you've concocted for me.

Simply because I debunked your nonsense.

See, this is the problem with US politics these days. Everyone is acting all partisan and refusing to listen to reasonable voices because they're all in their foxhole viewing everyone who says a word "wrong" as an enemy.

I'll leave you to wallow in your pathetic attempts to explain away the unexplainable, simply because the party affiliation of the person in question has the right letter.

Good day to you, sir.
 
I don't know if you remember it but in 2004, ACVR, The American Center for Voting Rights, appeared overnight when the election of George Bush over John Kerry turned up many irregularities with the new E-voting fraudulent system.There were hearings held and ACVR appeared before Congress to explain that their expertise could assure Congress and the American people that there were no problems with the Diebold electoral manipulation machines that were being purchased by almost every state in the country. The problem was, the day before the hearings, ACVR was not in existence! How did they end up testifying before Congress? Why weren't any other voting procedure experts called as witnesses? Who arranged for their appearance or vetted their credentials? Larisa had written countless articles on things she had uncovered about the voting irregularities. She had done some real investigations yet all of a sudden, The ACVR appeared and their testimony accepted as fact. Its exactly the same as you're seeing with this coordinated effort behind Gooding's coordinated attacks while calling himself a neutral observer, even a Democrat to boot!
Although its been shown that ACVR was a phony. Our Congress chose never to re-visit that issue since the machines eventually worked in their favor. As long as Weiner gets knocked out, the job has been done (its still a major story in all the media even without the recipient filing a criminal complaint. Business will return to usual. Who has ths kind of power to use Congress, the internet, the media and the planning. I think thats how we ended up with a Republican in the executive calling himself a Democrat also. The power of the internet and people's reliance on technology is the common denominator. Get off Facebook, don't use Twitter or any other type of instant identifier. Without them, they're helpless. Just ride a bus into towns across America and talk to the people directly. Don't join anything!
 
All I can say is, I'm glad I'm not your enemy Joseph :-) Once again, great detective work. I went to his blog when an "anonymous" first posted the link. I didn't notice the emptiness of it or that it was brand new, only that no comments were allowed. Anyway, good work all around. I can honestly say that I'm no partisan, finding much to dislike on both left and right, but your blog (along with Glenn Greenwald's) is the most thorough and complete on the issues that you write about.
 
Holly Smoke, you got the big CYBER GUNS after ya, and undressed him in less than a day! :lol:

Valarie Plame, brings one name to mind, Karl Rove, which brings to mind his good who I won't mention except to say, 'My Mamma'.

So, politics today are global and everything is hidden behind smoke and mirrors. We have someone call a foreign 'asset' to take you down, mix up the information in an effort to protect the 'operation'.

Did you know that Karl Rove was in Sweden before the charges came down on Assange? I used to scratch my dear little head there, but now I am thinking that some of these folks stay loyal to their paychecks, in view that they think they will come into power.

The fact that Anthony Weiner wrote a letter asking Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from cases where he had a conflict of interest, was the final act before Operation Slime went into effect???

Anthony Weiner has been the most vocal congressman, speaking on behalf of the poor, the working class and seniors made him a prime target! The fear that someone who actually advocates for 'The People' was just too much, how dare he try to speak for people who don't have lobbyists or aren't a big corporation (Now declared to be people...able to spend endlessly on campaigns).

Thank the lord you don't have to be rich to have a brilliant mind...Good on ya Cannon, that noggin is BRILLIANT!
 
You guys really need to take a look at Rep. Weiner's twitter feed.

Milowent did not look very far concerning the TweetDeck posts by Rep. Weiner. Here are just a few examples. ( Please do the research guys.... TweetDeck was used by Rep. Weiner many times before May 27! )

May 8

@RepWeiner
Anthony Weiner
No politics on Mothers Day #JustDontMentionWomenEarn1/3LessThanMenForSameWork
8 May via TweetDeck

May 9

@RepWeiner
Anthony Weiner
Weiner/Boehner debate issue 2: Why GOP thinks its "conservative" to tell women how to care for themselves #MeetMeAtDyckmanStreet
9 May via TweetDeck

May 26

@RepWeiner
Anthony Weiner
MT @mmcauliff: What the hell is this: @FunRepWeinrFact Dunno but it somehow got my PS39 reportcard
26 May via TweetDeck

@RepWeiner
Anthony Weiner
On with Lawrence O'Donnell tonight at 8 to discuss Rex Ryan's plans for Medicare. #The34DefenseSeemsNotToBeWorking
26 May via TweetDeck

Joe
 
Fine work, Joe, yet 'tis all for naught. The TweeetDeck theory could only work if you could prove that Wieiner used that app EVERY DAMN TIME he used twitter. And he simply didn't.

Moreover, that theory is for crap anyways. George has just admitted what my own humble experiments prove: That TweetDeck or any similar app creates a Yfrog account. And if it does, then that account could be exploited and used using that same technique described in my earlier post.


He keeps saying "But Tweetdeck creates a Yfrog account that can't post to Twitter." Well, clearly it DOES -- or the picture would not appear in your Twitter feed! (Besides, a little message appears in Tweetdeck that reads "via Yfrog." I've tested.)

If a Yfrog account is created, anyone could crawl into it.

George claims otherwise. Nota bene: He did so ONLY when Yfrog changed the rules so we can't conduct a test to prove him wrong.

He's trying to dazzle you with gobbledegook, just like he did when he was trying to prove that Saddam has WMDs.

(You might say that he was carrying heavy water for Dubya, back then.)

Look, he's clearly a liar. Just read what he has to say. He still claims to be NON-PARTISAN.

Oh jeez. I bust a GUT when I read that.

Just look at his followers and such on Twtitter. Pretty much all of them are right-wing heavy hitters like Michelle Malkin and the Fox News crowd.

Now look up his history as Seixo. The guy was a purebred Republican attack dog. With NO exceptions.

He can't hide the evidence of his own cyber-ink.

My own cyber-ink clearly marks me as a fervently anti-Obama liberal. So it should be obvious to all that I care a hell of a lot more for principle than for party.

George says that HE is non-partisan? Oh my GOD, that is funny. That's like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh claiming to be non-partisan.

You know that episode of "Whose Line is it Anyways?" where Wayne Brady meets Richard Simmons? Until today, I thought THAT was the funniest thing I'd ever seen.

Until today.

Oh, and let's not forget his lie about the Maddow show. Hey George -- if I got it all wrong, then how come I was willing to quote the thing and you won't? You clearly didn't even SEE the interview that was the heart of your argument!

It's hard to write when you're laughing. I'm going to have to go walk the dog now...but I'll still probably erupt in fits of Heath-Ledger-as-the-Joker giggles.

Heh heh. Ho. Heh heh. Ha. Ha.

George, George...

Heh.
 
->
"= Think Progress » That's Not Accurate: White House Alters
Transcript of Press Briefing =
Comment by Raison Detre - November 14, 2005 @ 4:49 pm
Seixon is sophisticated. He redirected the argument from the
inaccuracy proffered by the Whitehouse. Those who take the bait aid his effort to fragment the scrutiny that the Whitehouse demands."

Sorry, link to those threads don't work any more.
Otherwise would provide them.
There's a lot more of the same concerning "gooding" aka seixon (seize-on?) in the archive.
It finally points all to this
Organisation's linklist :
http://www.prozion.de/links.html
(sorry to say, but : NO, I'm NOT "anti-semitist", never will be)
It's class- not race-struggle.
 
What makes anyone think George even exists. We have well documented companies offering services like opinion influencing - didnt they call it Astroturfing? fake grassroots?

Of course George can very easily prove me wrong. He should feel free. I am often wrong.

Harry
 
i was going to lay out a snarky bit of "i'm with cannonfire. FIRE DOESN'T MELT STEEL, PEOPLE!!one 11". anyone with a memory of years past on the political interwebs would recognize that i was mocking cannonfire's nonsense on the twitter issue by comparison to the risible backyard experiment conducted by a DUmmie who sought to prove trutherism with chicken wire and paving stones.

but then i noticed that cannonfire is a truther! lulz.

a truther and a puma. what must charles johnson think?
 
Scoffer, are you out of your freakin' gourd? A truther? ME?

The 9/11 CD nuts HATE me. I'm enemy #1 with some of those guys. Didn't you see the debunking links section to the left?

Or the snarky comment about truthers in the cartoon to your right? (You have to be historically hip to get the joke -- and I don't think you're hip about much of anything.)

You're nuts, dude. Calling me a truther is like calling Paul Bunyan a midget.
 
Gee, it has come down to 'Na Na Na Ne...you'r a truther'...Did you hit a STIR or what.

George has taken down his page! You're a Truther... :lol:

The arguments are not even arguments anymore. Why were they after Anthony Weiner, is a question I would want the Georges to answer or pretenders.

Hope Bella had a nice walk.

Woman Voter
 
Conservative click-guerilla debunked long ago
-> from 2004-03-09 12:33:29
http://www.faz.net/artikel/C30703/wellenreiter-die-konservative-klick-guerilla-30131136.html
(this is from a conservative paper):
"Driving into madness
"Help,to drive the German left into madness," we read in a weblog entry of the site Little Green Footballs, "
and David Kaspar, operator of" Davids Medienkritik "says:
"The Bush-haters in 'Spiegel online' get a heart attack tomorrow morning."
From the Editor of "Spiegel online", this "spearhead of the German left", so far no health effects have been reported.
There one rises the eyebrows - and writes about the bad habit of not only the painting over the other party posters at night and disturbing
their public appearances with lots of whistling, but - "not least" - to forge votes on the web.
Such activities are in America called "freeping" and "Spiegel online" lecture these machinations with seriousness and care."

Josef, keep cool !
 
Great investigative reporting Joseph.

Of course, the right wing smear machine wouldn't be of any consequence were it not for its demonstrated ability to set the national news agenda. It's interesting the extent to which supposedly liberal journalists "take the bait" so to speak. For example, how is it someone like Eugene Robinson (WaPo) ends up shoveling dirt for the right?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-brief-on-rep-anthony-weiner/2011/06/02/AGqWIZHH_story.html
 
lmao, scoffer needs to up his reading comprehension...he probably glanced at Cannonfire's "rules" and saw 9/11 and didn't bother to actually read that it said no nuttery here.

kudos, Joseph...damn the real world concerns...I have to catch up on all the reading here, but I see you're attracting all sorts of attention and I can't wait to see the "journalists" reproduce your work after all their prurient spewing on this nonissue.
 
As far as the app authorization goes...when you install and first use a mobile(or Ipad) app, you HAVE TO give authorization to use the app. You also give authorization when you use disqus and other online linked services. (I even had Wash Post auth under my account until I revoked it)

It occurs "auto-magically".

The default pic service for the Blackberry twitter app is...yfrog!!

So the first time you use the app to upload a pic to twitter, it authorizes the access for yfrog, exposing the now closed hole.
 
The Twitter account has been deleted. Looks like George doesn't like being called out on his real agenda.
 
"Milowent did not look very far concerning the TweetDeck posts by Rep. Weiner."

well, actually i did, but i didn't post about it in any detail because the relevance was not raised by anyone.

but yes, weiner did start using tweetdeck long before May 27.
 
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One last post (for this day) about l'affaire Weiner...

A person named George Gooding has posted what he claims to be a devastating riposte to my now-famous piece (a few posts down).
Joseph Cannon has no clue what he’s talking about, as he has demonstrated in several blog posts where he makes things up as he goes along, without any technical knowledge to back it up.

I say this as a web developer with a BE in Computer Engineering, and an avid Twitter user.
Wow. So Gooding's BE means that the Yfrog pictures in my "gdowson" account aren't there? Fancy that. It seems that I am imagining that stuff. And so are the zillions of others (including people working for major news organizations) who replicated my experiment -- at least until Yfrog decided to plug the security hole.

But waitaminute.... If I'm wrong, then why is Yfrog plugging that security hole at this time (as ABC News verifies)? That's an awfully damned suspicious thing for them to do.

Let's get back to Gooding. He relies on an analysis by Gateway Pundit, which I have already dealt with (line by line) and rendered risible. Gooding's work is almost as funny. Let's study his post and have a laugh:
As has been pointed out by Gateway Pundit by now, you can use Yfrog’s image service without ever signing up for Yfrog, and more importantly, they cannot cross-post to Twitter without authorization.
What does this have to do with anything I wrote? How do these words contradict my (proven) contention that you can invisibly place a pic on someone else's Yfrog account?
"On May 28th, I posted a picture to Twitter with the TweetDeck application from my phone. TweetDeck and other applications use Yfrog as an image service by default. I had not signed up or in at Yfrog prior to this, and did not need to do so in order for images to be pushed to Yfrog from TweetDeck.
So? On May 28th, I had lunch at McDonalds. Does this mean that Gooding or Weiner did as well? Gooding is making a presumption that everyone else does what he does.

I checked out TweetDeck. It's primarily a desktop app and an iPhone app. You can't download TweetDeck for the Blackberry.

Oops. Gooding kinda sorta forgot to tell us that.

Since we know that Weiner was using his Blackberry to Twitter that night, Gooding has shot himself in the foot.
Through using TweetDeck, I gave the application permission to post to Twitter; TweetDeck uses Yfrog without any further authorization from me, as do many other applications. This does not give Yfrog permission to post to my Twitter account!
Utterly irrelevant.
A layman way of explaining how this works:

I tell the phone application that I want to send an image to Twitter

It sends the image to Yfrog and Yfrog returns a URL to the application

The application then posts to Twitter with the URL and any message I put in along with it

In other words, the application (TweetDeck in my case) is using Yfrog as an asset, it isn’t Yfrog doing the posting to Twitter."
Gooding seems to be writing an ad for Tweetdeck. Alas, his ad copy has no link to anything I wrote or to Congressman Weiner's Twitter habits.
Now, Weiner has stated on the record that he had no idea what Yfrog was, and there is no reason to suppose that he ever signed into or gave Yfrog permission to post to Twitter on his behalf.
This is pure bullshit.

Weiner stated no such thing. When I originally asked for the proof for this statement, the righties cited an interview with Wolf Blitzer. Absolutely nothing in that interview buttressed the contention. I was a little stunned by the some people's ability to see and hear things that clearly were not there.

Then an interview with Rachel Maddow was referenced. Perhaps Gooding is referring to this interview; if so, his refusal to cite it or quote from it demonstrated crappy scholarship. Unlike him, I am not afraid to offer citations. Here it is.

First and foremost, Weiner is clearly not a tech head. He says in the interview "You completely lost me with all of the technical stuff" -- in reference to a not-particularly-technical comment by Rachel Maddow. Here are some more quotes:
"This thing was sent by someone else. They were on my Twitter page. I have since read a few articles like you have that it's not that hard to do."
"As far as the Yfrog account, I'll be honest with you, I didn't really know for sure what that thing was until this thing popped up. And then I clicked on it and it directed me to where these photographs were being kept. And I kind of quickly deleted it and moved on with my life."
From those words, Gooding thinks that he has proof that Weiner changed all of his usual Twitter habits and used an app called Tweetdeck. Unbelievable!

This is a classic example of a partisan attack dog parsing a statement for every hemi-demi-semiquaver of pseudo-meaning until he can make it say something other than what it plainly says.

Did Weiner sign up for a Yfrog account? Yes. Indisputably.

As I noted earlier, vis-a-vis this very same quote:
Take a few seconds to feast your eyeballs on this very site. Blogger works in a strange way: The images that appear in the center column (that is, within the posts themselves) are uploaded via Blogger's in-house service. But all the images on the right and the left -- as well as the really cool cannon picture up at the very top -- have to be uploaded to the internet via a third-party image storage service.

In my case, the name of that service is Imageshack. Imageshack is Yfrog under another name.

But y'know what? If you had asked me a year ago -- two years ago, three years ago -- to name a good online image storage facility, my response might have been: "I dunno."

Would that response have made me a pants-on-fire liar? No. That response means that I use the Imageshack interface maybe once a year. During the in-between times, I usually forgot the name of the thing. On the rare occasions when the need for a new image upload arose, I would hit Google. After the name "Imageshack" sprang up, it would trigger a memory: "Oh yeah. Those guys."

(Russian proverb: "Memory is a crazy old woman who picks up scattered bits of rag while ignoring diamonds.)

Weiner twittered or tweeted or twitted using his Blackberry. The first time he tried to transmit an image, he had to go through a sign-in rigamarole -- and during the rigamarole, the name "Yfrog" no doubt passed in front of his eyeballs. He clicked through, and then forgot all about it. The vast majority of Blackberry-based twitterers surely do the same.

Weiner's unfamiliarity with Yfrog hardly matters. It has no bearing whatsoever on the case. The "Professor Harold Hill" types on the right are simply tossing around techno-jargon to bamboozle the easily bamboozled.
Gooding's BE cannot change the fact that Weiner clearly DID have a Yfrog account of his own (even if this non-techie didn't really "know for sure" what Yfrog was all about).

How do we know that he had an account? Because he hopped onto Yfrog and deleted the images. And we have EXIF data for at least one of these images. It was made on a Blackberry. Also see this post, which has an agonizing number of details about Weiner's Twitter usage, and which proves the Yfrog connection:
Weiner's history shows he has tweeted links to yfrog pictures 7 times (excluding the now deleted tweet.). On six of those occasions, he did so by posting "via Twitter for Blackberry". (4 times on May 5, 2011; once on November 3, 2010, and once on September 26, 2010.) On the other remaining occasion (on 2/25/2011) he posted "via Yfrog."
To repeat: You can't use TweetDeck from a Blackberry.

And the tweet said "via Twitter for Blackberry." And the tweet said "via Yfrog."

Game set and match. George Gooding is a proven liar.

Gooding bases his entire non-argument on the presupposition that, on one night and one night only, Weiner used an app that is not in evidence. Using that app would have required Weiner to use a device other than the one he habitually uses.

Oh, but it gets better than that: He would have had to take a picture snapped with a Blackberry (the EXIF data on the 800x600 does not specify make or model, but it does tell us that a Blackberry was used) and transfer it to a PC or an iPhone (but why?) on the same night that he was provably using his Blackberry as usual. Then he transmitted the pic using an app unfamiliar to him, and which he would have downloaded and learned for that single occasion.

All to send a crotch shot to a female who was, as far as he knew, 73 years old.

If you believe that scenario, Jonathan Lebed has some penny stocks he would like to sell to you.

Quite a few of the people who have replicated the "dowson" experiment did use Blackberries. The results did indeed cause tweets exactly resembling the one attributed to Weiner. The proof is in my "gdowson153" Yfrog account. I've shown screen shots. So have lots of other people, working in total independence.

By the way: If I'm wrong about the URL thing, then what's the explanation for the screen caps I presented? Once again, Gooding is blowing smoke.

The fact is, a whole lotta people replicated my little experiment. A lot of those people were avid Twitter users, as Gooding claims to be. (Everyone knows my own feelings about Twitter.)

Not only that. My post -- and posts based on my post -- were read by many thousands of people. Perhaps hundreds of thousands. It's fair to presume that many of those folks have computer skills which equal or match those of Mr. Gooding.

Gooding's basic honesty (or lack thereof) can be judged by the fact that he neglects to tell his readers that Tweetdeck is not for the Blackberry. That's called "lying by omission," folks.

Gooding also bases his argument on a weird (and patently deceptive) misreading of Weiner's words. As good old Uncle Aleister once said: "Never forget how easy it is to make a maniac's hell's broth out of any proposition, however plain to common sense."

Incidentally, our old friend milowent has an achingly technical (and quite convincing) analysis of this very this topic. Here it is.

When are the right-wingers going to give it up? Even Breitbart now admits that the man called Dan Wolfe was the likely author of these events.
Come out, come out wherever you are 'Dan Wolfe' @patriotUSA76! Stop hiding behind anonymity! Own up to your role & motivation.
Is that a statement open to manifold interpretation? I don't think so.

I may not agree with Breitbart, but he (unlike most of his ideological confreres) is bright. Bright enough to understand the implications of Dan's emails to him, which were recently leaked. Dan bragged "we have more." Those three ominous words indicate that the crotch shot was part of an orchestrated campaign, not a happenstance find.

But we already knew that, of course...
On May 5, Wolfe floated a rumor that compromising photos of a “big time” congressman were in the hands of a “top 5 Right Wing blogger.” He tweeted, “@RepWeiner are you this Congressman?” He reprised this photo rumor in a May 11 tweet.
Come on, rightwingers. If you don't even have Breitbart on your side any more, it's time to give it up.

It is achingly obvious that you righties want to go on a fishing expedition. You want an investigation for one purpose: So you can ask Weiner humiliating questions about his entire life history. But it won't happen. This isn't Whitewater redux. No laws were broken or even touched, and the lady in question says that he never tweeted an inappropriate word. If you say otherwise, then you are calling her a liar.
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I was ready to be mad at ABC for stealing your discover, but low and behold they gave you credit!! Congratulations, great investigative reporting, too bad the 'reporters' don't do any.ttp://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/anthony-weiner-twitter-photo-may-have-posted-via-security-loophole.html
 
OK, you clearly have no clue what you're writing about, at all. Stop digging yourself further into the abyss.

Your post is rife with strawmen and further proof that you do not grasp the technology you pretend to understand.

A few examples, first, a strawman:

"So Gooding's BE means that the Yfrog pictures in my "gdowson" account aren't there? Fancy that."

Have I ever stated that his pictures aren't there? No, I haven't. Problem is, the images being there does not demonstrate what you sought to prove.

Then, logical fallacy:

"If I'm wrong, then why is Yfrog plugging that security hole at this time (as ABC News verifies)? That's an awfully damned suspicious thing for them to do."

Just because you have pointed out an obvious potential security flaw in Yfrog's system, which has been known about for ages, doesn't mean anything regarding the Weiner incident. All it does is make Yfrog's security flaws more public, and thus, they want to get them out of the limelight.

Then, you demonstrate that you don't know anything about Twitter and its various third party apps:

"I checked out TweetDeck. It's primarily a desktop app and an iPhone app. You can't download TweetDeck for the Blackberry.

Oops. Gooding kinda sorta forgot to tell us that."

Blackberry functions in the same way as TweetDeck, and various other Twitter-connected apps. They all use Twitter's API (you know what that is, right?), and all have to play by the same rules.

That there is no TweetDeck app for Blackberry is irrelevant, as it is only an example of what such applications do, which I pointed out in my post. You obviously do not want to learn anything about how this works, and invent conflicts where there doesn't exist any.

Again, you show that you don't understand that I was using TweetDeck as an example:

"From those words, Gooding thinks that he has proof that Weiner changed all of his usual Twitter habits and used an app called Tweetdeck. Unbelievable!"

The quote from Weiner demonstrates precisely what I said in my post: that he wasn't familiar with Yfrog at all, and never logged into it, until he sought to delete the images from it. Which is exactly what I wrote.

The rest of your rant relies on the fact that you never understand that TweetDeck is just an example of an application one can use to connect to Twitter, and that the rules are the same for Blackberry and the myriad of other Twitter apps.

It's a shame that you are so invested in defending Weiner that you can't accept simple truth from someone who actually knows what he's talking about.
 
For all you doubters……
http://placidair.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/for-all-you-doubters/

OK, the conclusion is, TinEye can't find the image via a file or a link. Not too many photos of microphones in their shorts. Please see (details) on blog.

Any hoo, it looks like a prank photo...NOTHING there is real. So, NO it isn't Weiner's microphone.

Woman Voter
 
George, you can't deny the fact that you essentially lied by omission when you neglected to mention that there is no TweetDeck for the Blackberry.

"Just because you have pointed out an obvious potential security flaw in Yfrog's system, which has been known about for ages, doesn't mean anything regarding the Weiner incident."

Yes it does. The timing is telling.

"Problem is, the images being there does not demonstrate what you sought to prove."

Yes it did. It demonstrates that you can upload pictures onto someone else's Yfrog account. That's what I sought to prove.

"Blackberry functions in the same way as TweetDeck, and various other Twitter-connected apps. They all use Twitter's API (you know what that is, right?), and all have to play by the same rules."

And people replicated my experiment using Blackberries as well as other machines. People with Blackberries also create Yfrog accounts.

"That there is no TweetDeck app for Blackberry is irrelevant, as it is only an example of what such applications do, which I pointed out in my post. You obviously do not want to learn anything about how this works, and invent conflicts where there doesn't exist any."

I am always willing to learn, though I do not always like being taught, as Churchill said. What I'm learning here is that you're engaging in presupposition.

"The quote from Weiner demonstrates precisely what I said in my post: that he wasn't familiar with Yfrog at all, and never logged into it.."

You don't know that. Neither do I. I do know that there is an image tweet from him marked "via Yfrog."

You seem to have a phobia for exact quotation. I don't share your problem.

"As far as the Yfrog account, I'll be honest with you, I didn't really know for sure what that thing was until this thing popped up. And then I clicked on it and it directed me to where these photographs were being kept. And I kind of quickly deleted it and moved on with my life."

Look again. "I didn't really know for sure..." The meaning is clear. He had come across the name Yfrog before as part of his Twitter experience, but he wasn't sure just what it was that it did.

Stop parsing plain English to make words have unintended meanings.
(Cont)
 
"The rest of your rant relies on the fact that you never understand that TweetDeck is just an example of an application one can use to connect to Twitter, and that the rules are the same for Blackberry and the myriad of other Twitter apps."

Oh come off it. So you are saying that an image posted by a Twitter user on Blackberry won't leave a tweet? That flies against the evidence of a lot of other people.

Now, I don't mean to startle you, but am going to have to make a concession. You were unaware (as was I, until just now) of a fact which buttresses your TweetDeck theory.

But before you get too excited, let me warn you that the theory will be undermined soon.

It turns out the the congressman really did use Tweetdeck that night, against his usual habit. This is from milowent:

"Weiner has never posted a yfrog link via any other Twitter posting option. However, his tweets on the evening of May 27, the first of which came no more than a few minutes after the dicktweet, all came from "Tweetdeck." It would be odd (though not impossible, granted) for Weiner to send a pic "via Twitter for Blackberry" at the same time he was on Twitter via Tweetdeck. TweetDeck is a desktop application, and though there are Android and IPhone versions of it, there is no Tweetdeck app for Blackberry available yet."

So it looks like he was on the PC that night. Now that I think of it, this fact was implied by his statement that he hopped onto Yfrog. (Tweetdeck handles Facebook as well. I wonder if this has any link to Weiner's Facebook problems?)

George, George. I can hear you snickering and dancing. Stop it. You're being premature.

You wrote (in boldface):

"Yfrog lacked authorization to cross-post to Twitter"



You don't know that. You never establish that. Your ENITRE argument is based on this statement:

"Because there is no evidence that Weiner had ever given Yfrog permission to post to his Twitter account."

On February 25, 2011, he posted "via Yfrog." (See milowent's piece.)

So that's that. You're wrong.

More than that. You haven't established that the crotch picture was twittered anywhere. Gennette never received it.

More than that. For all your smoke-blowing, it is nevertheless the case that if you have a Yfrog account of any kind -- as Weiner certainly did -- other people can upload pics to your account, and the result would look exactly as I have shown. Screencaps and all.

Time for another experiment. I'm downloading Tweetdeck. And -- god help me -- I may even use (shudder) Twitter.

I'll use a completely new nick.

See ya soon. And don't worry too much about being wrong about the "via YFrog" thing. We were BOTH wrong about the use of TweetDeck on the night in question.
 
Sorry but Rep. Weiner used TweetDeck to post the now famous 30Rock tweet on May 27. So, yes he used TweetDeck.

Tweet:

Heading to 30 Rock to chat with Rachel at 9. #Thats545InSeattleIThink
27 May via TweetDeck

Followed by the Tivo reference also from TweetDeck...

@RepWeiner
Anthony Weiner
my tivo ate the hockey game! #WhoCanISue?
27 May via TweetDeck

Joe
 
Joseph, it doesn't matter whether he used Blackberry, TweetDeck, HootSuite, or any other application. They all use the same API to interact with Twitter, and all interact with Yfrog in the same manner.

When you want to post a pic to Twitter through one of these apps, this is what happens:

1. You choose the picture
2. The app uploads the picture to Yfrog
3. Yfrog returns a URL for the picture to the app
4. The app places the URL into the tweet
5. You can add a message along with the URL
6. The tweet is posted

Yfrog never needs permission to post anything to Twitter, because it is not the one doing it - it's the app you are posting through that does this.

Now, you state that it said "via Yfrog" on some picture he recently posted on Twitter. That happens when you use Yfrog via some of these apps.

Case in point, I posted this image to Twitter May 28th: https://twitter.com/#!/GeorgeGooding/status/74531497721331712

There it says "via Yfrog". However, I posted it using TweetDeck on my phone. I had never been to Yfrog's site, and had not given Yfrog permission to post to my Twitter until I tested this out today.

So, again, no one has established that Weiner ever signed in to Yfrog and authorized them to post to Twitter, and thus, cannot establish the possibility that someone posted to his feed through the email feature.

Weiner's own statement to Maddow has him only first going to Yfrog when he needed to delete the pictures - which you can only do it you sign in to Yfrog with your Twitter account, thereby authorizing it.

This is Yfrog's entire business model, they provide a free image service to any application that wants to use it, and lures people in eventually to either delete a photo or have more control over the photos that are there.

Also, you need to come to the realization that the "header" on Yfrog will only be empty when there is no tweet associated with the picture. The "header" is in fact just a tweet-display.

If you email a photo via Yfrog to Twitter, it will post a tweet with at least the URL to the photo, and this tweet will then show up on the Yfrog page for that photo.

If you delete that tweet, like Weiner did, the tweet will then also disappear from the Yfrog picture page.

Comprende?
 
Joseph Joseph Joseph.

Why do you insist on feeding that Troll?
Nothing you say. No amount of damning evidence can sway an ideologue. It matters not what the truth is Joe. These people have a genetic flaw where the truth is concerned, If it does not fit their narrative, then it must be wrong!

BTW... Congratulations Joe. Just love the way you continue to show the "Establishment Media" how to do their job!
 
Ah, now I see that the image I posted the Twitter link to shows both "via Yfrog" and "via TweetDeck". Twitter seems to add the "via Yfrog" thing at the bottom of the picture to show that the photo is stored at Yfrog, but the app that sent it to Twitter is still noted as TweetDeck.

Weiner's timeline from that day shows he was using TweetDeck (probably from an iPad, since he was watching TV), and TweetDeck uses Yfrog as an image service by default.

Mr. Cannon, if you wish to absolve Weiner of all wrongdoing, you're going to have to establish that Weiner had actively gone to Yfrog and authorized it to interface with Twitter.

Unfortunately, this is highly unlikely, something Weiner's own comments lend credence to. He says himself that he was not aware of Yfrog until he needed to delete the photos, at which time he finally authorized Yfrog.

Before that, he would never have had to authorize Yfrog to store images there, thus meaning that the email feature would not have worked, since Yfrog wouldn't have had his permission to post to his Twitter account.

The tweet Weiner sent earlier that day about what time it was in Seattle is also something that neither you nor Weiner nor any of his fans have sought to explain. Obviously it cannot be explained in any reasonable manner, and meshes too nicely with him sending a lewd pic to a woman in Seattle, so you have to just downplay and ignore it.

How funny that you harassed me about TweetDeck, only to realize that that was in fact the very app that he had been using that day. Hope you have learned your lesson!

I'm not a partisan gun-slinger, and you shouldn't treat people as if they are just because they challenge you on the facts.
 
Please read this. It might put things into a more decipherable context.

Harangue, harumph and harass.

http://wp.me/p5dEo-3d7

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You know, George, for a moment there I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I was replicating everything. I had established a Twitter account under the name "Chalice153." (Chalice is a fictional character in a story I wrote.) Then she and gdowson started tweeting each other. She used TweetDeck and he used Firefox. It was sweet.

Then I was going to use "the trick" to send Chalice a picture. There were two things wrong with that: Yfrog stopped the exploit. Thanks to me, methinks.

The other thing was this: I could not see the results without signing into Chalice's Yfrog page. But if I do that, I authorize Yfrog to transmit to Twitter.

I saw the screen. It would be natural to hit "Yes" authorizing the use of Twitter. But you are saying he never did that -- based, apparently on your superior ESP.

And that's when it hit me. Your entire argument hinges on the presupposition that Weiner never signed into Yfrog.

And that is unsupported. If he didn't have a Yfrog account, then how did he transmit images?

Are there applications such as you describhe for Blackberry? Yes. I looked it up.

(As you did NOT. Instead, you listed an app that does not apply to the Blackberry, and then you deceptively implied that it did.)

If you use Twitterberry -- ye gods, what a stupid name! -- it will say "from Twitterberry."

Oops. Not in evidence.

There's another app called "Tiny Twitter." I presume that it also appends similar info.

"Mr. Cannon, if you wish to absolve Weiner of all wrongdoing, you're going to have to establish that Weiner had actively gone to Yfrog and authorized it to interface with Twitter."

No, you are going to have to establish that he did NOT, even though all evidence says that he did. The burden of proof is on you.

"Before that, he would never have had to authorize Yfrog to store images there,"

Yes he did. Unless you can point to the words "from Twitterberry" appended to his all of his previous image pics, we must make this presumption.

(Cont.)
 
"Weiner's own statement to Maddow has him only first going to Yfrog when he needed to delete the pictures"

This is indefensible. I have already given you the exact quotation, and STILL you mischaracterize what he said.

George, you are a proven liar.

"The tweet Weiner sent earlier that day about what time it was in Seattle is also something that neither you nor Weiner nor any of his fans have sought to explain."

He discussed it with Maddow. If he did not explain to your satisfaction, that is one thing. But for you to say that he never addressed the issue means that you never watched an interview that is the basis of your whole fucking argument!

"How funny that you harassed me about TweetDeck, only to realize that that was in fact the very app that he had been using that day."

Alas, TweetDeck is irrelevant, since he did not upload that picture. Dan Wolfe did. Hell, Wolfe's own actions that night prove the point beyond reasonable discussion.

"I'm not a partisan gun-slinger..."

Yes you are. I just saw all your followers! The company you keep, and all that.

In fact, I noticed something about http://georgegooding.com/ that proves the point...

You never existed until I made my now-notorious post!

Until I wrote what I wrote, you never had a site.

I've dealt with this kind of thing before. Ask around. Look up my posts on the Wilkes/Cunningham scandal. I have a good rep for spotting instantly-erected pseudo-sites.

You are a fiction, George. Oh, that may (or may not) be your birth name: I do not know and do not care. And you may or may not have that degree. As far as I know you are Dan Wolfe. Or maybe not.

The only thing that matters is this: You established your site only AFTER my post. You came into existence for the sole purpose of creating a seemingly reasonable, well-educated voice in opposition to mine.

Think about it.

My post about the Yfrog exploit was vetted by all sorts of people, many of them extremely wise in the ways of Twitter, many of them very educated about computers. They all conceded my point, as did Yfrog itself.

Now YOU come along -- out of nowhere -- having never before established a net presence. You create an "instant page" of the simplest design. This demonstrates that you have no intention of blogging in the long term; you were created to counter me.

You offer no background info. No contact info. No email address.

Come on. Did you really think you would pull this off?

I mean, if I had tried to do what you are doing, I would have created a much more elaborate "legend." You know: Snapshots of your recent vacation, a backdated post where you bitch about the kids, a list of your favorite movies. Stuff like that. The kind of things that indicate the presence of an actual human being.

Once this controversy goes away, your site will go away. I've seen this sort of fakery before -- plenty of times.

Next time, don't be so damned obvious. Okay? Put a little work into it.
 
Why is all this reminding me of Plamegate? The crazies are going wild trying to cover their tracks. Does that mean Dick Cheney is involved? I love the Gorgeous George site popping to life outta nowhere. Burn 'em, Joe. Burn 'em.
 
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Fishers of men: The great Crotch-gate challenge to DAN WOLFE! DAN WOLFE! DAN WOLFE!

The rightwingers are mounting a campaign: "We want an investigation of the Weiner affair!" They shout they words, they purr the words, they sometimes pose as liberals and try to make a reasonable-sounding case.

Obviously, we are dealing with an organized campaign. The overall picture is becoming clearer.

There are, in fact, no grounds for a federal investigation. Gennette has denied that she received any inappropriate words from the Congressman. Weiner has denied sending the picture or tweeting the tweet. He sent her nothing but boilerplate. Neither he nor she have broken or even brushed any laws.

Clearly, the security loophole described in my previous post was the device which allowed a miscreant to try to frame Weiner. We know this because Yfrog is closing that loophole at this very moment. And that is that.

So why do the righties want an investigation? For one reason: They want to go fishing.

Remember Whitewater? It was bullshit. Everyone now agrees that it was bullshit. The Republicans used bullshit charges to go on a fishing expedition against Bill Clinton.

What the Republicans want is a scenario where Anthony Weiner -- the victim of a frame job -- is forced to sit in a chair and answer questions like the one Wolf Blitzer (infuriatingly and inapproriately) tried to ask: Have you ever in your life taken a picture of your groin?

Appalling.

Weiner is the victim here. There is no justification for placing him in a situation where political enemies can ask him humiliating questions about his entire life history.

The righties are guessing that Weiner played some naughty online games back in the days before he was married. They may even have secret info to that effect.

I've posited in various comments that Weiner, in his bachelor days, may have traded naughty photos with an online paramour, and that the crotch shot, or a version thereof, may be leftover detritus from some dalliance that took place a long time ago. Millions of other people trade such pics.

As everyone knows, dumped lovers tend to turn vengeful.

Please understand: I do not know that there is a vengeful ex lurking behind the scenes. (And I have no idea if the congressman has ever pointed a camera lens crotch-ward.) But I would not be surprised.

If such a personage exists, the Republicans would keep her offstage until the right moment. First and foremost, they would want to see Weiner respond to the question that they have no right to ask: "Have you ever in your life pointed a camera at your crotch?"

Nota bene: Dan Wolfe has said that he has more info and possibly more photos to use against Weiner. Those claims, in and of themselves, imply that the events of the 27th were was a set-up, not happenstance.

If Weiner were to sue the presumed framer for libel or defamation, the accused would have the right to discovery. During a deposition, Weiner would be asked that question. The question would probably be allowed, despite being in no way germane to the issue at hand.

He'd have to be nuts to walk into that nightmare.

Nevertheless, the righties keep saying that if Weiner will not sue or investigate, then he must be guilty.

Oh really?

That logic works two ways. And so does the threat of deposition.

Let me make this statement loud and clear, in boldface, with no caveats or qualifications:

The person who tried to frame Anthony Weiner is DAN WOLFE! DAN WOLFE! DAN WOLFE! Dan Wolfe is 100% guilty of a serious ethical offense, and that fact should be made known to everyone who ever considers employing him!

I've read up on the libel laws. I know full well the import of what I am saying. I've never before used this column to level an accusation of that sort against a private citizen. I'm usually very careful about wrapping my statements in qualifying language.

By rightwinger logic, if Dan does not sue me, then he must be guilty as charged.

Dan says that he welcomes an investigation. But he's lying. You know how I know he is lying? Because he won't sue me. He knows full well that if he sues me, I will have powers of discovery.

(Will someone please pass this post along to Dan Wolfe, Dan Wolfe, Dan Wolfe, the man who definitely, positively tried to frame a congressman, DAN WOLFE?)

Come and get me, Dannikins. I want your C drive.

Let's talk about that browser cache of yours. If you found that 800x600 image in your browser cache, then you damn well ought to have the 640x480 -- and that image would have the all-important EXIF data. If the image has been deleted, then we will know that you tried to cover your tracks.

How can you say you have nothing to hide when you have refused to cough up that 640x480?

I just talked the matter over with a top paralegal who has worked with lots of really good lawyers here in Baltimore. She told me all about discovery. She also said "Sometimes it's good to tweak the Devil's nose."

Am I worth suing, financially? No. In fact, I'm pretty much as judgment-proof as an individual can be. The most that DW! DW! DW! could get from me is the Hippo, the loss of which would pain me, even though the gain of the thing would probably be inconsequential to Danny.

But Dan -- we're talking about principle here. You say you welcome an investigation. Well, let's have at it.

Write to me, and I'll arrange a meeting. I'm too poor to travel, so you'll have to have someone in your network serve me the papers. You probably know someone in the DC area, right? Let's meet in the Starbucks in the Barnes and Noble by the Chesapeake Bay. Just tell me when.

If you don't sue me, Dan, you must be (in the words of that great old Doonesbury cartoon) GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!
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So I just posted a link to your site on Facebook & got a never-before-seen security alert--checking to see if I was a real person. wtf?
 
Anthony Weiner Twitter Photo May Have Posted Via Security Loophole

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Several technology experts and bloggers have pointed out that one way to get a photo quickly posted to yfrog and Twitter is by sending the photo to a special email address associated with the accounts.

In theory, someone who simply knew Weiner’s yfrog email address could have emailed the photo, which in turn would have been simultaneously uploaded to both his yfrog and Twitter accounts -- all without ever being prompted for a password or permission.

The blog Cannonfire tried it out and took screen grabs to demonstrate HERE.
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/anthony-weiner-twitter-photo-may-have-posted-via-security-loophole.html
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Joseph,

Don't forget us little people ;-)

Woman Voter
 
http://georgegooding.com/post/6120191663/weiner-yfrog-email-debunked
 
I read that Gooding thing. Pure babble. All of it.

The URL anomaly certainly showed up in my tests, and I showed screen shots to prove it.

Gooding's "analysis" (if it can be called that) relies on that bizarre post by Gateway Pundit, which was hardly a threat. I republished much of it and made fun of it, line by line.

Let's do the same with the Gooding thing, shall we?

"As has been pointed out by Gateway Pundit by now, you can use Yfrog’s image service without ever signing up for Yfrog, and more importantly, they cannot cross-post to Twitter without authorization."

What does that have to do with what I wrote? How does it affect the (proven) contention that you can email a pic to someone else's Yfrog account, and the result would look like that other person uploaded it himself?

"On May 28th, I posted a picture to Twitter with the TweetDeck application from my phone. TweetDeck and other applications use Yfrog as an image service by default. I had not signed up or in at Yfrog prior to this, and did not need to do so in order for images to be pushed to Yfrog from TweetDeck.

"Through using TweetDeck, I gave the application permission to post to Twitter; TweetDeck uses Yfrog without any further authorization from me, as do many other applications. This does not give Yfrog permission to post to my Twitter account!"

How does that affect my contention in the slightest?

"A layman way of explaining how this works:

"I tell the phone application that I want to send an image to Twitter
"It sends the image to Yfrog and Yfrog returns a URL to the application
"The application then posts to Twitter with the URL and any message I put in along with it

"In other words, the application (TweetDeck in my case) is using Yfrog as an asset, it isn’t Yfrog doing the posting to Twitter."

None of this affects my contention in the slightest.

"Now, Weiner has stated on the record that he had no idea what Yfrog was, and there is no reason to suppose that he ever signed into or gave Yfrog permission to post to Twitter on his behalf. It would never have been required of him in the use of his Blackberry to post pics to Twitter, as the Blackberry application would be the one that had the permission to post, not Yfrog."

Sigh. I've already dealt with this. All right, once AGAIN...

Weiner did not say that he had never had anything to do with Yfrog. He did seem confused by it.

As I noted earlier, I've often forgotten the name "Imageshack." That's the Yfrog sister app that allows me to put images on the side panels of this blog. Why does the name regularly slip my mind? Because I use Imageshack infrequently.

When Weiner went through the initial Twitter setup, he must have ran across a screen eling him to sign onto Yfrog so he could transmit images. He clicked on that screen and went on to other business. Like a zillion other Twitter users.

How do we know he did this? Simple. In the same interview that Gooding references, Weiner said that he got onto his Yfrog account and deleted the images!

He could not have done that if he had not, in fact, been storing images on his Yfrog account. Which means he HAD one.

And if you have one, it's possible for other people to spoof your address.

Many of the people who conducted what we may call the Cannonfire test (or perhaps the Dowson test?) did so using Blackberries and similar devices.

Is Gooding arguing that the images on my account are not there?

Gooding is pathetic. Just pathetic.

As dear old Uncle Aleister once put: "Never forget how easy it is to make a maniac's hell's-broth out of any proposition, however plain to common sense."
 
And of course, Gooding doesn't have commenting on his blog. Wouldn't want have to actually prove, or debate at all, his contention now, would he?
 
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"Crotch-gate": High tech or low tech?

This post is yet another follow-up to the Weinertail tale. Critics have asked how the framer...

(And the name of that framer is Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! Remember: If Dan doesn't sue me -- if he does not use the justice system to clear his name -- then he must be guilty. At least, so runs the logic offered by the right-wingers who accuse Weiner.)

Where was I? Oh yes.

Critics have asked how the framer could possibly have hacked Congressman Weiner's Yfrog "secret" email address. The task, they say, is impossible, or nearly so.

Oh really? Will Femia at the Rachel Maddow blog recounts a bit of experimentation which proves that the job can be done rather easily. Little Green Footballs, of all places, discusses the logic behind the "randomly" assigned five-letter code. Also see this Kos diary. (I'm still banned from Kos, by the way. Guess Markos "Lips" Moulitsas didn't like the cartoons I drew of him.)

For my part, I never thought that Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! did any hacking at all. Why? Because it is now universally acknowledged that Dannikins was the "annoying" personage who quasi-stalked Gennette Cordova. Her statement offers insight into his modus operandi:
The account that these tweets were sent from was familiar to me; this person had harassed me many times after the Congressman followed me on Twitter a month or so ago
My friends have received phone calls from people claiming to be old friends of mine, attempting to obtain my contact information. My siblings have received tweets that are similar in nature.
Despite all the tales we hear of high tech hacking and spying, the best methods often turn out to be low tech. I happen to know a very good P.I. Despite all the equipment at his disposal, he still has to spend a lot of time in parked vehicles doing surveillance.

Circa 1981, I read a book by a young college student who caused a now-forgotten national stir when he wrote a paper outlining how to make a small nuclear weapon. (Was the book called Mushroom? I think so, but memory is a tricky beast.) He was able to piece together the bomb recipe through public sources -- all except for one key missing ingredient. So our intrepid young researcher asked himself the question that all good detectives learn to ask: Who would know? Once he had a name, he telephoned the fellow, and -- using a plausible pretext -- engaged him in a long, friendly conversation. By chat's end, the young man knew how to make a bomb.

In the real world, that's how these things get done. No need for black bag jobs or secret decoder rings.

It's pretty obvious that when Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! called up Gennette's relations, he was trying to do what that young bomb-maker did.

Now let's go back to the words of reader milowent. (He's the fellow who got the ball rolling vis-a-vis the Yfrog security hole.)
the chance that somewhere along the way that weiners yfrog address had been leaked? pretty damn high. it would happen if weiner or an aide simply forwarded a pic he emailed to his yfrog account to anyone else (thus showing the yfrog email address in the chain).
We know that Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! Dan Wolfe! has long had a rather sick obsession with Anthony Weiner. If Dannikins was willing to harass Gennette's friends and family, then he certainly could have adopted a false identity to contact Weiner, his aide, or (most likely) his followers.

Keep in mind that DW! DW! DW! was tracking anyone whom Weiner had followed (or friended, or whatever the stupid verb might be in Twitterworld). I suspect that, cloaked under a Weiner-friendly identity, he struck up a relationship with one of those followers.

If that follower had passed along a single photograph that had originated on Weiner's Blackberry -- well. C'est tout.

(My alternate theory is that, back in his bachelor days, Weiner really did trade naughty photos with some lady. Millions of other people do the same thing. The dumped oft-times become vengeful. You now have enough clues to figure out the rest of the scenario.)

Yfrog: I've been puzzled by the righties who insist that Weiner falsely denied ever using Yfrog. They've cited his interview with Wolf Blitzer, where he offers no such denial. So where did they get this story?

I finally caught up with Weiner's interview with Rachel Maddow, in which the congressman does claim to be unfamiliar with Yfrog. Obviously, he must have used the service previously, because Yfrog is how Twitter users trade pics, and it is universally acknowledged that Weiner had twitted (tweeted?) uncontroversial images to various people in the past.

So does that make Weiner (gasp!) a pants-on-fire liar?

Nope. Let me explain via a personal example.

Take a few seconds to feast your eyeballs on this very site. Blogger works in a strange way: The images that appear in the center column (that is, within the posts themselves) are uploaded via Blogger's in-house service. But all the images on the right and the left -- as well as the really cool cannon picture up at the very top -- have to be uploaded to the internet via a third-party image storage service.

In my case, the name of that service is Imageshack. Imageshack is Yfrog under another name.

But y'know what? If you had asked me a year ago -- two years ago, three years ago -- to name a good online image storage facility, my response might have been: "I dunno."

Would that response have made me a pants-on-fire liar? No. That response means that I use the Imageshack interface maybe once a year. During the in-between times, I usually forgot the name of the thing. On the rare occasions when the need for a new image upload arose, I would hit Google. After the name "Imageshack" sprang up, it would trigger a memory: "Oh yeah. Those guys."

(Russian proverb: "Memory is a crazy old woman who picks up scattered bits of rag while ignoring diamonds.)

Weiner twittered or tweeted or twitted using his Blackberry. The first time he tried to transmit an image, he had to go through a sign-in rigamarole -- and during the rigamarole, the name "Yfrog" no doubt passed in front of his eyeballs. He clicked through, and then forgot all about it. The vast majority of Blackberry-based twitterers surely do the same.

Weiner's unfamiliarity with Yfrog hardly matters. It has no bearing whatsoever on the case. The "Professor Harold Hill" types on the right are simply tossing around techno-jargon to bamboozle the easily bamboozled.

"None": One of the recurrent themes sounded by my right-wing critics holds that a spoofed Twitter message (of the sort that seems to have bedeviled Weiner) will always contain the word "None."

Ridiculous. How do these ideas get started?

The comparison to your left should explain everything. Remember, I have never sent a tweet in my life; the tweet here is a spoof.

On a less-serious note:
Weiner seems sensitive about his name. With good reason, perhaps: He probably had to undergo a lot of schoolyard taunting. The name alone forbids him from national office.

Actually, the nicest guy I ever met is named Weiner. (He is not related to the congressman.) He pronounces the name "WHY-ner" -- which happens to be historically correct.

The name is Germanic. In the German language, the rule is: "When I and E go walking, the second does the talking." Learn how to spell and pronounce the dreaded words Sieg heil! and you'll always know how to pronounce a German word containing the "ie" or "ei" combination.

If the congressman really wants to be historically correct, he should pronounce his name "Viner" with a long I. There is no W sound in German. (Rotten old joke: If the answer is "9W," what is the question? "Do you spell your name with a V, Mr. Wagner?")

"Wein" is how German-speaking people refer to Vienna. Thus, "Weiner" means "Viennese." The congressman's Austrian ancestry caused him a whole bunch of schoolyard grief.

Update: Damn. Even though an ex-gf was a professional German translator, I've forgotten much of what she told me about that language. The word for "Viennese" is actually "Wiener." (Being an old Bruckner fan, I really have no excuse for a mistake of that sort.) "Wein" is wine. So the congressman's name means "wine-maker" or something of that nature.
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Wow, I think you caused a stir, as I am getting mean Tweets... 'nieve'
Imagine they want to say I am 'naive'...

Oh, the naked pictures have increased too.

Woman Voter
 
It isn't just conservatives.

"Liberals" (or are they liberals, you almost can never tell, they do bash the likes of Palin etc.) over at gawker are stirring this as much as anybody. (And they do enjoy blasting stories about naked pics. They started the Brett Farve story.).

http://gawker.com/5807665/weiner-dick-pic-maybe-started-out-being-a-photo-of-mine
 
Nope, Vienna is Wien. Wein is wine.

According to dict.cc, "weiner [sl.: man regarded as weak, ineffectual]"
http://www.dict.cc/?s=weiner

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
 
The Germans are always careful with their "e"s and "i"s. It helps make it clear whether they are schiessen or scheissen.
 
Hate to do this, but someone else will if I don't--

"Weiner" comes from "Wein," German for "wine." A "Weiner" is a vintner.

The German form of Vienna is "Wien," as in "Wienerschnitzel" and, yes, "wiener," meaning hot dog.

And you're right. If people named Weiner would pronounce it with the correct vowel, it would save everyone a lot of aggravation.

Okasha
 
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