Saturday, February 07, 2009

A hoax...?

A story credited to the Pakistan Daily is making the rounds throughout the blogosphere:
Another Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache, stated that she was not worried about negative ramifications the Israeli onslaught on Gaza might have on the way the Obama administration would view Israel.

She said ‘You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel.”
Nobody has found a second source for this allegation. I've been unable to find any other trace of this Tzipora Menache.

The original story includes this equally inflammatory section:
The Israeli spokesman, Nachman Abramovic demonized Palestinian children stating "They may look young to you, but these people are terrorists at heart. Don’t look at their deceptively innocent faces, try to think of the demons inside each of them … I am absolutely certain these people would grow to be evil terrorists if we allowed them to grow… would you allow them to grow to kill your children or finish them off right now? … honost and moral people ought to differentiate between true humans and human animals. We do kill human animals and we do so unapologetically. Besides who in the West is in a position to lecture us on killing human animals. After all, whose hands are clean?"

Human animal mentioned by Abramovic refers to the Judaic religious belief that Jews are Gods chosen people; the elite and the pure-blooded, while all others (non-Jews, Goyims, gentiles) are animal souls incarnated into human bodies to serve the Jews. Killing a human animal is just a sport like hunting deer or birds.
Again, I can find no other accounts mentioning this Abramovic person.

The original story also carries this outrageous comment:
Israel’s former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu advocated carpet bombing of Gaza stating that "there is absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during massive military offensive on Gaza" (The Jerusalem Post, 30 May, 2007). His son Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu amplified his father’s genocidal call stating: "if they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand, then we must kill 10,000 and even a million"
This section is reasonably accurate. Eliyahu is a real person, and he and his son are indeed well-known in Israel for insisting that Jewish settlers remain in Gaza (a small strip of land which belongs to the Palestinians). The elder Eliyahu called for the carpet bombing of Gaza and argued that soldiers in the IDF should disobey orders if they are told to force Jewish settlers to leave Gaza. The Jerusalem Post piece is here.

This blog prints a quite different version of the Pakistan Daily story, containing the questioned material. I don't know which version of the story appeared first. The Pakistan Daily writers seem to have stitched together material from the internet, and thus may be the unwitting parrots of a hoax, and not the originators.

The assault on Gaza was horrifying enough; there is no need for the creation of hoax material. In fact, the concoction of an anti-Semitic forgery will only increase the paranoia of those Jews who believe that Hitler's heart beats within the chest of every gentile. As Norman Finkelstein has written:
Appropriating a Zionist tenet, the Holocaust framework cast Hitler's Final Solution as the climax of a millennial Gentile hatred of Jews. The Jews perished because all Gentiles, be it as perpetrators or as passive collaborators, wanted them dead. "The free and 'civilized' world," according to Wiesel, handed the Jews "over to the executioner. There were the killers—the murderers - and there were those who remained silent." The historical evidence for a murderous Gentile impulse is nil. Daniel Goldhagen's ponderous effort to prove one variant of this claim in Hitler's Willing Executioners barely rose to the comical. Its political utility, however, is considerable...

The Holocaust dogma of eternal Gentile hatred has served both to justify the necessity of a Jewish state and to account for the hostility directed at Israel. The Jewish state is the only safeguard against the next (inevitable) outbreak of homicidal anti-Semitism; conversely, homicidal anti-Semitism is behind every attack or even defensive maneuver against the Jewish state. To account for criticism of Israel, fiction writer Cynthia Chick had a ready answer: "The world wants to wipe out the Jews...the world has always wanted to wipe out the Jews." If all the world wants the Jews dead, truly the wonder is that they are still alive — and, unlike much of humanity, not exactly starving.

This dogma has also conferred total license on Israel: Intent as the Gentiles always are on murdering Jews, Jews have every right to protect themselves, however they see fit. Whatever expedient Jews might resort to, even aggression and torture, constitutes legitimate self-defense. Deploring the "Holocaust lesson" of eternal Gentile hatred, Boas Evron observes that it "is really tantamount to a deliberate breeding of paranoia.... This mentality ... condones in advance any inhuman treatment of non-Jews, for the prevailing mythology is that 'all people collaborated with the Nazis in the destruction of Jewry,' hence everything is permissible to Jews in their relationship to other peoples."
In other words, every time someone concocts an anti-Semitic hoax, Jews in America will mutter "They're at it again" -- and they will redouble their support of Israel.

More than that: They will presume that anyone who tells an uncomfortable truth must be a hoaxer. If the Eliyahu quote, or some similar quote, proves embarrassing, one may simply deny the accuracy of the citation; anything one does not want to hear may be dismissed as just another anti-Semitic fabrication. I've run into this phenomenon on several occasions. I've even seen this passage from the Bible dismissed as inaccurate and "out of context." (It isn't.)

The verifiable record suffices, and we should stick to it. Hoaxing is counter-productive.

(Yes, I myself have been guilty of a leg-pull or two. But those pranks don't address truly serious issues, and I practice the evil art only on a certain date.)
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I saw this over at The Confluence:

http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/p_williams/2009/02072009.htm

Has anyone heard about this? Haven't seen anything in the MSM regarding this E.O.
 
http://forum.conspiracycentral.net/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=46&t=26037

'Tis a hoax. Just like you thought. Will no doubt put some panties in a bunch....
 
Thanks much, Jee. What occurred was that a work of fiction was created for a completely separate site last year. The PD writers apparently missed the last line of that piece, which revealed the fictional nature of the dialog.

And now we will hear the usual rationalization: "It may not be literally true, but it underscores what is actually going on..."
 
I first caught Menache's comment at The People's Voice, thence at Uruknet.info.
The author of the original article is listed as U.S.-based Arab writer Dr. Elias Akleh, whose original title is "How to Kill a Palestinian."
 
This sort of hoax is indeed shit. Recently I chased the source of the quote attributed to Ehud Barak, allegedly in an interview with Le Monde, stating that "the whole world has now to start a world war against the enemies of Israel." Go to the original and you'll find he didn't say it. Unless of course he said it but it wasn't reported, and leaked out somehow, but as far as I'm aware there is zero evidence to support that scenario. Someone made it up.

It would be a thoroughly reasonable interpretation of what he and others have said (notably Ephraim Halevi), but for goodness sake, say this and don't make stuff up!

Meanwhile, it is verifiably the case that Israeli sources reported that Netanyahu had prior warning of the London 2001 bombs, and that he altered his movements accordingly; and also that Israeli sources reported that Israeli officials received similar prior warning of a bomb that exploded at an Amman hotel, and that they too altered their movements accordingly. Both reports, by the way, were quickly denied in substance.

(Similarly it is a verifiable fact that major American news media reported on 9/11 that the bombs had exploded in the basements of the World Trade Centre. I saw these reports at the time, and also those which alleged that the State Department had been car-bombed. You gotta wonder where they got these ideas from).

If anyone carries out such hoaxes with good intent (which I strongly doubt is the case!), they should get a fucking grip!

There are genuine events and quotes that are very revealing and require spreading about among those who are critical of current conditions from a left-radical perspective. Hoaxes stand in the way of this!
b
 
A list of articles with links by Dr. Elias Akleh are available at
this "Global Research" website.
 
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Friday, February 06, 2009

Pilate's question

On April 1, 2006, Cannonfire published its most famous post. In that essay, I laid out the evidence favoring the proposition that the notorious British occultist Aleister Crowley was the father of Barbara Bush and the grandfather of George W. Bush. Years later, rarely a day passes without my learning of a new site linking to that story. (Example.)

It has been brought to my attention that quite a few YouTube videos have discussed or dramatized the story of Crowley's linkage to the Bush family. Most of these film-makers advertise themselves as religious teachers, dispensers of the Truth of Truths. Oddly enough, not one of these sages contacted yours truly for further information, perhaps because they developed independent sourcing.

I give you a sampler:

1. Here's a segment from a multi-part epic which bears the lyrical title The Antichrist/Dajjal Will Be A Reptilian Shapeshifter. (Catchy!) This bit of video also contends that those awful, awful Rothschilds created Hitler.

2. Here is a broadcast by a terribly erudite radio preacher named Frank Lordi, which I'm sure is the name on his birth certificate. Lordi believes that Aleister Crowley was a very important world-historical figure, a theory previously promulgated only by Aleister Crowley (and maybe Alan Moore). Lordi's website has lots of important information: Did you know that the Washington Monument is the Shaft of Baal?

3. Here we have an elaborate production titled crowleys illigitimate grandson is a smooth criminal. Is that spelling "ligit"? Also, where's the apostrophe? Why do we see the disappearance of so many apostrophes that ought to be there, and the appearance of so many apostrophes that have no right to exist? (When driving through rural parts of California, don't be surprised to encounter a sign informing you that "Jesus Save's.") The scariest thing here is the soundtrack by Michael Jackson.

4. Here we learn that the AC-BB linkage is Much More Then Just A Conspiracy Theory... Before you mutter "Yes, but that was than and this is now," ponder the wise words which close this video dissertation:
I know that the Elite have had over 100 years of dumbing us down...
with things like television, sodium flouride, a very weak educational system and many more...
But how are we going to let the Order of the New Age continue when it's being orcastrated by a bunch of inbred clowns?
Treur words where never spokin. Speaking of orcastration, did you know that Mozart once wrote a part for a chestrato? Mozart was a freemasin, you know.

Ah yes, it all comes together....


5. Hey, all you hep cats and finger-poppin' mamas: Check out the cool jazz background score for Is Satanist Aleistar Crowley, Barbara Bush's Father?? AC might have bridled at the "Satanist" label, and he surely would have wanted to correct the punctuation on display in that title. But the misspelling "Aleistar" probably would have amused him.

6. Here's a radio broadcast which bears the memorable title Reptilians in the Matrix Part III. Your host is "Jack," who brings aliens, mind control, Dracula, angels, underground bases and the dreaded Illuminati into the Crowley/Bush tale. Did you know that Shirley McClaine is a member of the Illuminati Beatty family? Did you know that The Bourne Identity is a true story? Did you know that Hitler greatly admired Madam Blavatsky? Did you know that George Bush is a 42nd degree Mason? (If you work your way above degree 33, you learn about the interplanetary secret societies.) And did you know that Bernard Hermann's score for The Day the Earth Stood Still actually gets kind of annoying after awhile?

7. Here's a classic. Alex Jones. Did I ever tell you people that I wrote a script with a character based on Alex Jones? He gets killed in a most delightful way.

8. This photo montage proves that the OTO is a tremendously powerful organization and not just a gathering of fey artsy types, pretentious "supermen" and neurotic chubby chicks who give great BJs.

And finally...the ultimate...number nine number nine number nine...

9. This is a segment from a well-produced full-length documentary about Aleister Crowley, with "interview" segments featuring actors playing the roles of various AC associates. The title is In Search Of The Great Beast, and you can find the whole thing for sale here. If you want to read reviews, go here and here. For the most part, the documentary is pretty accurate, although the actors routinely mispronounce occult terms. ("Goetia" is pronounced "go-WAY-sha." Trust me on this. I got it straight from the mouth, so to speak, of a neurotic chubby chick.) In spite of all, a recommended production.


This era has finally given us an answer to Pilate's question: Reality is whatever you want it to be.

Some of you may now expect me to deliver some follow-up information about AC, given the demonstrated popularity of the original post. Alas, right now I am busy working as a "ghost" on Frank Miller's gritty, blood-soaked, ultra-noir graphic novel adaptation of Song of Bernadette. I should have a report on that project in, oh, say, a couple of months. Give or take.
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Wow. What a wonderful collection of conspiracy links and hilarious commentary. I'm not sure how many readers will understand just how brilliant some those jabs really are but I wanted to let you know they weren't lost to the ether. ;) I've only been following your blog since the primaries and hadn't encountered your 2006 post on AC and Barbara Bush's mother so it was a real treat to read it -- doubly so because so many of little things researchers (even the credentialed ones) routinely get wrong are correct. Great work!

--J
 
The conspiracy guys--providing comic relief for a troubled world.

I would love to see your script featuring a character based on Alex Jones. It makes sense to me. Alex Jones is a very colorful character who has fascinated me for years.

Alex Jones is on cable TV constantly here in Austin. For those unfamiliar with him, he is famous for his wild, undocumented assertions--e.g., the ruling elite of the world worship Moloch and can live forever; there are live AIDS viruses in the corn; "the government keeps giant, honeycombed hives of toddlers drugged on lithium" (actual quote).

Alex has been wrongly predicting more big domestic terror attacks for the last eight years, yet still repeatedly asserts that he can predict the future.

You can see why Joe might have been inspired.
 
Some hilarious commentary there, Joe-- Kudos!

Reminds me a little of Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.

For those unfamiliar with the work, its premise is that a vanity publishing house receives unsolicited manuscripts of all types, but many of a conspiratorial nature. As a joke, the workers at the company slice and dice, and then cut and paste several of these more or less at random, and publish it. And then crazies come out of the woodwork to claim that THEY are the super-double-secret conspirators that are being described in the work. Fairly droll, until the dead bodies begin mounting up.

Some people just don't get the joke.

XI
 
Great April Fools gag. I believed it the first time too. Mainly because of the truly uncanny resemblence between Barb and Crowley. I guess that's what inspired you. Nice job. Nothing can stop it now. Except you may want to take out the dateline just to be safe!
 
re #4

Maybe they meant to say "by a bunch of inbred *or* castrated clowns."

:)
 
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The Japan example

During its bad decade, Japan spent trillions on its own version of a stimulus package. Much of the money went into infrastructure -- roads, bridges, and so forth.

In this country, you might be able to get the GOP to go along with that kind of spending, since the roads are most needed in pork-lovin' red states. Besides, one could package a road-building program as a military necessity. Thus was born Ike's interstate highway program; history could repeat itself.

But:
Japan spent too much on increasingly wasteful roads and bridges, and not enough in areas like education and social services, which studies show deliver more bang for the buck than infrastructure spending.
Edumacation? That's a much harder sell in America.

But:
In the end, say economists, it was not public works but an expensive cleanup of the debt-ridden banking system, combined with growing exports to China and the United States, that brought a close to Japan’s Lost Decade.
Okay. So that brings us to an appallingly simple question: What should we concentrate on exporting?

I mean aside from jobs.
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"What should we concentrate on exporting?"

Neo-conservatives/bankers?
Nah, wouldn't work. They'd pay us NOT to export them and that would be nice, but we'd still be stuck with the Neo-conservatives/bankers.
 
I havnt commented much of late on your site. One reason is that there is little that I think appears misunderstood or misrepresented - forgive the implied arrogance. The other reason is that I have started a new job working for an even more extreme example of financial capitalist piracy. Lets call it a finance venture specialising in topiary.

However, for what little my comments are worth, I want to emphasise two things.

1) Things are still getting worse. The economy and the financial system. Its not stable. Its not accelerating either right now. But its still getting worse. Great depression analogies are not so far off anymore - give or take our more substantial resources today

2) The authorities don't understand whats wrong. And they seem to have bought the big banks mantra that they are two big too fail. This is not true. If Citi goes bust it doesn't matter provided its a controlled demolition. The bond owners and the stock holders should be the first to pay. Not the taxpayers.

And as for that 500k limit - dont make me laugh. More loopholes and exclusions than I can enumerate.

I remain amazed and disgusted. Our leaders are corrupt fools.

Harry
 
The Hunting & Gathering Economy was replaced by the Agricultural Economy, which was replaced by the Industrial Economy, which was replaced by the Information Economy. Why can't the next stage be the Education Economy? What is Education but a value-added form of information?

We can export education by creating educational media and the infrastructure (communications technology in internet, radio, TV, movie projectors) to share and evolve them.
 
Anon is near home plate; our biggest and best export is our pseudo culture in the form of movies and music and games. Now wouldnt that make em crazy if our collective butts were saved by hollywood and gamers?
 
How about exporting Tyler Durden-style soap? "Tyler sold his soap to department stores at $20 a bar. Lord knows what they charged. It was beautiful. We were selling rich women their own fat asses back to them."

Speaking of TD, didn't he say; "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

What else can be exported? Well, everyone in the world is going to need smart grid technologies, and the USofA is a leader in that. We could also invest 1/1000th of the bailout amount on proving a few technologies out there really work-- like Teslas wireless transmition, Liut. Col. Tom Beardon's MEG, Joe Newman's motors ...even the applications of John Bedini's open source energy techs and of Stan Meyer's open source techs. Start doing these, ramp them into production and start selling 21st century electricity techs before Siemens and others master it all...

Also, infrastructure is in dire shape. not roads as much as sewers (especially out east), water lines, waste handling... so it's not just frivolous, it's needed. Plus once reworking the water, we can turn our sewers and mains into micro power plants with stuff like Rentricity

And were Americans to now make a concerted effort to create negawatts instead of looking to build new nukes, we could get pretty much see everyone get back to work, because the more energy efficiencies that are mandated, the more people are needed. EE = jobs.

Oh and forget about exporting edumacatoin-- 1st off Neil "S&L" Bush has cornered that. His Ignite! edu-software is now exporting our great learnin' far & wide, and Poppy's in on the take. So unless you plan on going and teaching ESL in Korea, fagedaboudid,the soap will be an easier sell
 
There isn't anything that we can export that can't be made at a cheaper cost in another country. Even if we do manage to create "green" jobs, that doesn't mean that those jobs will stay in this country or that workers won't be imported to do them.

From Sherle Schwenninger (who holds Bill to blame also):

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090112/schwenninger:

"The uncomfortable truth is that the current system of global commerce and transnational finance is inherently prone to crisis... Any sustainable recovery on the domestic front, therefore, will depend on his success in getting other countries to agree to fundamental changes in that global system."

"(T)he globalization of the Clinton-Bush era not only lacked safeguards for labor but rested on two mutually reinforcing, flawed models of growth: debt-financed consumption in the United States and other Anglo-Saxon economies and oversaving and underconsumption in the production-oriented export economies of Asia."

"(A) recovery program will have to be global in scope, and it will have to correct the huge imbalances globalization created."

Schwenninger states that the far more healthy economies of "China, Japan, Germany and the petrodollar states.... must lead in spurring world growth not only because, with the United States, they bear responsibility for the crisis but also because they are in the best position to lead, given their large surpluses and foreign currency."

old dem
 
What should we export?
Hope.
 
I don't expect you to allow this off-topic comment to be seen by your readers, Joseph. In fact, I hope you catch it and delete it before it appears, since it would be a distraction from the important current commentary on Japan's lost decade.

But as a long-time reader of yours, whose parapolitics interests closely parallel your own past multi-decades of study, I would like to direct your attention to another blog, also managed by an intellectually honest seeker of hard answers.

Unfortunately, since you have devloped a such near-rabid aversion to the rantings of most of today's Kashoggi-funded "troofers/trannies," you will need to hold your nose, as you discover that his humble blog is hosted within a cacaphonous casbah of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists whose behaviour you so thoroughly despise.

The guy whose low-decibel, non- Alex Jones/We Are Change style of research I'm hoping you will give an open mind to reading is named Aiden Monaghan: http://911blogger.com/blog/2074.

Instead of trying to thrill impressionable readers with an endless stream of wild accusations based on axe-grinding speculations, Aiden has spent hundreds of hours doing the kind of old-fashioned, gumshoe/grunt paperwork that the most honourable of the vintage JFK/MLK/RFK researchers (whom I know you genuinely, nostalgically admire) used to provide us, back in the dear, dead, pre-Internet days:

Filing polite and meticulously worded FOIA requests to various federal agencies -- and then painstakingly sifting through whatever evasive responses and/or redacted documents they eventually, reluctantly disgorge.

Yes, Aiden has been doggedly trying to determine if the Feds'very own paper trails can either prove or disprove Uncle Sam's version of the 9/11 attacks.

After you've spent some quality time reading through the blog's many reproductions of Aiden's earnest FOIA requests and the Fed's often highly implausible and sometimes quite suspicious replies, please consider composing a CANNONFIRE commentary on Aiden's work, if it proves to be of value to you.

I'm not asking you to publicly eat a big slice of humble pie or munch on a bitter bite of crow -- just to consider acknowledging the modern work of an old-fashioned conspiracist, like the ones we used to value and learn from.

A Fellow Grassy-Knoll Geezer
 
Export the politicians.
 
Laughably, a lot of our prior exports were our 'financial products,' including the mortgage backed securities, which were sold world-wide and provided somewhere on the order of $500 billion in foreign trade earnings as recently as a couple years back.

Somehow, I don't think there will be much demand for our 'innovative' 'financial' 'instruments' (of mass destruction) any time in the near to medium term.

XI
 
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Rent

You have probably already been alerted to Paul Krugman's important Op Ed piece in the NYT. He emphasizes that the economic news is even grimmer than you may think. Here's one point that gnaws at me...
Developers of commercial real estate, watching rents fall and financing costs soar, are slashing their investment plans.
Why are rents falling? And are they falling in the non-commercial sector?

For years, lots of people have predicted a housing implosion. In 2005, I read several articles in which potential buyers announced their eagerness to pounce on homes once those properties entered foreclosure. So the loss in value is not a surprise. What surprises me are lower rents, since everyone presumed that people forced out of their McMansions would crowd the rental market. (I've seen some signs of lowered rents here in southern CA.; your mileage may vary.)

Deflation: Here's a bit more to chew on, from the same Krugman column...
As the great American economist Irving Fisher pointed out almost 80 years ago, deflation, once started, tends to feed on itself. As dollar incomes fall in the face of a depressed economy, the burden of debt becomes harder to bear, while the expectation of further price declines discourages investment spending. These effects of deflation depress the economy further, which leads to more deflation, and so on.

And deflationary traps can go on for a long time. Japan experienced a “lost decade” of deflation and stagnation in the 1990s — and the only thing that let Japan escape from its trap was a global boom that boosted the nation’s exports. Who will rescue America from a similar trap now that the whole world is slumping at the same time?
Actually, we had deflationary periods during the Bush years. The only things going up, up, up were home prices; everything else headed in the opposite direction. Without the housing boom, we would have had an official period of deflation. So how long has this crisis actually been going on?

Bonus: According to The Big Picture, $140 billion of taxpayer loot went to the top six financial concerns. Of that figure, more than half -- $85 billion -- went to bonuses.

Yes, I know that Obama has promised to cap executive pay in his stimulus program. But there are ways around that cap.
First, they apply only to companies that receive government bailout money in the future. For companies that don't receive "exceptional financial recovery assistance" -- such as the outsize bailouts that went to AIG and Citigroup -- the restrictions on executive pay would be waived if the company discloses the compensation and allows a nonbinding shareholder vote.

Companies that don't have the restrictions waived still could pay an unlimited amount in restricted stock and other incentives.
Also, while executive salaries are capped, there are no limits on the scores of mid-level Wall Streeters such as bond traders or investment bankers who typically pocket million-dollar bonuses.
The Republicans will publicize these outrages (even though the previous bailout package occurred on the watch of a Republican president) in order to turn people against the stimulus package. In fact, the plan is rapidly losing support...
The Gallup Poll, taken over the weekend, asked Americans if the plan should "pass as proposed," "pass with major changes," or be rejected. While 38 percent of respondents said it should pass as proposed, 37 percent wanted major changes. Seventeen percent said it should be rejected.
Is the Gallup poll an outlier? I don't think so...
A Rasmussen poll released on January 21 found that only 45 percent of voters supported the stimulus plan, with 34 percent siding against it.
The Republicans have an alternative: Lowering taxes on the wealthy -- to make sure that the execs who got taxpayer hand-outs keep more of their $85 billion. Those execs will probably stash the dough in a Swiss bank account, because this country is heading down the tubes.

In other words, the GOP propagandists -- who have not lost their muscles -- will scream, with some justification, that Obama plans to give away more money to the wealthy. The GOP alternative is to give away more money to the wealthy.

Aren't you glad we have a two-party system?
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Joe, Michael Panzer over at More in the Family begins by writing:
In 1915, the average number of people sharing a home, including parents, offspring, and "extended squatters," was 4.5, according to a 2006 MSNBC.com report citing U.S. Census Bureau data. By 2006, that number had shrunk by nearly half to 2.6.

One reason for the decline, the article noted, was the fact that Americans had gotten much richer through the course of time, allowing young adults and others the luxury of going off to create a nest of their own.

Now, though, with economic conditions staging a dramatic turnabout, some reports suggest we could be seeing a reversal of the long-term demographic trend. In "More Families Move in Together During Housing Crisis"
(link at his "Financial Armageddon" blog) USA Today gives us the latest.

(Couple of quotes from the USA Today article): Siblings are moving in with one another to help pay the mortgage. Adult children who've lost homes to foreclosure are moving back home with Mom and Dad. Even spouses in the throes of divorce are putting off separating, living together in awkward cold wars because they can't sell their houses.

That's in large part because those losing homes often have nowhere else to go.

 
I can answer as to why rents are falling in the commercial sector. As companies close down they leave more leased spaces vacant. Many companies that reduce staff and/or cut back production will also reduce office/industrial space leased. Without many new startups coming along or companies expanding it becomes harder to lease those vacant spaces.

However, if you own a building that you're trying to lease out you have a lot of fixed expenses so you need to maintain cash flow. Therefore, you might lease a space for less than you'd like. You also might renegotiate a lease with a commercial tenant who wants to downsize or is threatening to move simply to keep them there. It's much more expensive to replace a tenant than it is to keep the old one. All of these things serve to force down commercial rents.

My company is in property management and we're facing that tough leasing market right now.
 
"Aren't you glad we have a two-party system?"

Funny... I remember not too long ago you bashing Nader. Having it both ways, are we?
 
"Rapidly losing support..."
Both CBS and Gallup have polls out on Thursday, showing 51-52 percent support for the stimulus Bill. The poll taken by Gallup on January 27 also shows 52 percent support for the stimulus bill. That shows support for the bill has not changed for about a week or so( around the time the Republicans threw a hissyfit), although it has dropped from early January.
It is also hard to figure out from the polls taken lately wether the minority opposed to the bill are opposed to any stimulus bill or to this specific one in the Senate now. It is also difficult to figure out wether the opposing minority wants more tax cuts(as Republicans claim is the will of the people and I believe is a made up myth) or more spending on mass transit, education, etc. (Krugman, Governors, progressives and others).
In other words, most people were of the opinion(between the election and inauguration)that the government should do something about the failing economy. Now that there is an actual bill in Congress, there is disagreement about the terms of it. That makes total sense.
 
There are several reasons for the slowdown in residential rentals. One is that many of the people who couldn't pay their mortgages decided to try renting them out instead. Unfortunately people who were smart enough not to buy overinflated mortgages are also smart enough not to pay overinflated rents, assuming they have the choice, which they do now because it's the homeowners who are in the bind. Added to their woes is the fact that many, many of the fancy-schmany new developments forbid their homeowners from renting out their homes, because you know, renters are revolting half-savages whose very presence on a street corner will instantly lower your property's value to a level just above dirt.

Then there are the geniuses who bought several homes during the housing boom figuring they'd rent them out and retire rich. All of these properties are competing with each other, and with all the new developments that (at least in my county) seem to cover every inch of grass the developers could find and build a big ugly "luxury apartment home" monstrosity on. Most housing-bubble areas were overbuilt and have a glut of both rental and purchase housing. In my county again, estimates are that it will take two years to sell off existing inventory--and this is even given an expected influx of several thousand new workers in the next few years). With that kind of overstock, and the owners' and developers' desperation, there are some good rental deals going in most bubble-licious areas.

Not good enough in some cases -- again, my county being a good example where people still hold on to the delusional dream that above-mentioned influx (nicknamed BRAC) will save us all, so they are clinging to overinflated prices AND rents. They will learn, and it will be bitter.

Oh, I heard an economist on NPR two weeks ago saying that the next coming crack-up is going to be the bust in commercial real estate and that it's going to make the housing meltdown look like a picnic in the park. Hooray!
 
Hoarseface,

Nader wanted Bush to win in 2000. He said so in an interview with Outside magazine. Not too surprising, considering he's a closet Republican who hangs with the likes of Grover Norquist.

Having it both ways, are we?
 
Hey, guess what?

All the beggars whining about how they desperately need housing and will trade skills I can hire or do myself?

I prefer the leisure of not renting to the likes of chiselers.

No prob. Let them beg. They get what they (won't) pay for. I never over-inflated and I sure as hell won't be doling out rooms to those who lost their own housing.

Yes, I'm being undercut by losers who mortgaged for the sake of cruises and crap like that, but hey...like I said. You get what you pay for and good luck with those shoddy landlords.

LandOLincoln...well said. Nader is the scum Pied Piper who misled the original Mentally Challenged Youth Brigade before OZero got the same idea. My next vintage toy will be a Corvair, for that reason.
 
LandOLincoln,
I must thank you, as I was not aware of the things you mentioned about Nader. A bit of preliminary research seems to bear you out, although I'm not sure I entirely agree with the phrasing you used.

But regardless of Nader himself, I feel my point still stands: Joe has described himself as a life-long democrat until the 2008 election. But turning against Obama for him did not seem to equate with turning against the two-party system. I remember only one post related to 3rd-party or independent candidates (and I believe it involved his reasoning for not supporting them) but I remember many posts defending McCain. I remember many posts arguing against voting for Obama; I can't remember a single post supporting a candidate outside of the two major parties. To me it seems a bit ridiculous to be a life-long major party supporter, only to turn your back on that party and defend it's opposite, and then complain about a two-party system.
 
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Thursday, February 05, 2009

Noted...

Jobless: New unemployment claims rose to 626,000 -- much worse than expected.

Some suggest that the time has come to combat the outsourcing of American jobs by taxing outsourcing. Specifically, we should raise tarrifs on goods and services now produced in foreign countries after an American corporation outsourced those jobs.

What stimulus plan? There's been a lot of overheated talk on Obama's ill-considered attempts to reach out to the GOP. I think Krugman is right:
You see, this isn’t a brainstorming session — it’s a collision of fundamentally incompatible world views. If one thing is clear from the stimulus debate, it’s that the two parties have utterly different economic doctrines. Democrats believe in something more or less like standard textbook macroeconomics; Republicans believe in a doctrine under which tax cuts are the universal elixir, and government spending is almost always bad.

Obama may be able to get a few Republican Senators to go along with his plan; or he can get a lot of Republican votes by, in effect, becoming a Republican. There is no middle ground.
But he's trying for the middle ground anyways, by framing his stimulus as a tax cut, even though "tax rebates" are going to people who don't pay taxes. And much of the money is going to bail out bad banks without taking the logical step of outright nationalization. The execs who got us into this mess should all be fired by a new boss named Uncle Sam. Instead, Sam is helping the fat cats stay fat. (Update: There is now a $500,000 limit on fatness. That's a start, I suppose, but hardly sufficient to those of us who want to see the incompetent bastards get pink slips.)

A "rebate" or a giveaway of $500 or $1000 will do little to help those who have lost jobs. That kind of money will buy a family, what, maybe a week or two or three. Then what? We need government-run jobs programs. The time has come to resort to the employer of last resort.

Israel: Polls show that support for Israel remains strong, but is slowly eroding. According to the Jerusalem Post:
57 percent of Americans polled defined themselves as Israel supporters, compared to 8 percent who called themselves Palestinian supporters, and 34% who said that they were neither or were undecided, according to the survey carried out for the Washington DC-based 'The Israel Project.'
Last year, 69% supported Israel, and 6% supported the Palestinians.

Here's an interesting comparison: Back in 2001, the ADL found that 17% of Americans hold "hard core" anti-Jewish beliefs. Of course, many of the people who support the Palestinians (and I count myself among the 8%) are not anti-Semites -- they simply feel, as I do, that the Palestinians are getting a raw deal. I also feel that the Ethiopians got a raw deal from Italy -- yet I don't hate Italians.

The grim bottom line: The Palestinians are despised even by the vast majority of the America's anti-Jewish bigots.

Spinning the unspinnable:
lambert made a great catch when he drew our attention to this screencap from Google News:

As lambert puts it:
Escort, attack, seize — same difference!
Remember David Ignatius? We were just talking about him. He's the WP reporter -- and son of a former Navy Secretary -- who behaved in such an irritating fashion at Davos. Now he has this telling advice for Barack Obama:
Whom should President Obama appoint as his emissary to Iran, to take on what may be the most important diplomatic mission in decades?...
My nominees are Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft, former national security advisers for Presidents Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush, respectively. They would elevate the Iran mission, connecting it to the tradition of bipartisan strategic thinking that shaped America's role in the modern world. And, like our youthful new president, these two octogenarians understand the need for America to "turn a page" in its foreign policy and to connect with what Brzezinski has called a "global political awakening."

I know Brzezinski's and Scowcroft's views about dialogue with Iran because I spent many days with them last spring, moderating a discussion that yielded a book, "America and the World: Conversations on the Future of American Foreign Policy."
Scowcroft is, of course, a figure from the Bush era -- the Poppy Bush era. Is that change?

As we've noted earlier, Zbig is -- in essence -- a neocon who supported Pol Pot.

Remember, neoconservatism began on the Democratic side of the aisle, with a cabal surrounding Scoop Jackson. Of course, Brzenzinski now claims to despise the neocons, and he did denounce the Iraq war, as did Scowcroft. But Daniel Pipes and Paul Wolfowitz both emerged from the Brzenzinski orbit.

He also supported the slaughter of 200,000 people on East Timor by the Indonesians. He supported the creation of the Iranian theocracy as a buffer against the Soviets. He supported the Afghan Mujahadin -- which is to say, he supported Osama Bin Laden. When asked about this record (the result of a blinkered anti-USSR strategy), he gave this classic response:

"What's a few riled-up Muslims?"

There was a time (1980) when the mere mention of of Zbig's name at the Democratic National Conventional was enough to raise a rafter-shaking mass boo. But now, too many people have forgotten why he was once hated. Youngsters seem to be of the impression that anyone who voiced opposition to Bush's Iraq war policy must be cool. That's a simplistic attitude: The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

At least I know how to draw, Shep: Artist Shepard Fairey modified an AP photo of Obama when he created his ubiquitous red, white and blue image. Now AP wants compensation.

All ribbing aside, I think AP should let the matter slide. One can argue that Fairey has created an essentially new work of art. I mean, Warhol used a well-known studio photo of Marilyn Monroe, yet he never credited the original photographer.
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Brzezinski?? Lordy, Why not send Kissinger? If I was an Obot, I'd be furious.Where's my progressive dreamboat??

If they send Brzezinski it's to keep him from clutter fucking with his number 1 hard on.... Russia.
 
Thanks for the link, but it's Vastleft, not lambert. We're a group blog, really.
 
Good points, Joseph! (Neocons -- ugg!)

But a single quibble: what Mr. Fairey did was to create a derivative work of AP's photo. Creating a derivative work is a copyright infringement if not done with permission of the copyright owner. Same thing as if he had created a Harry Potter Board game from the books. Can be done but only with the permission of the copyright owner.

djmm
 
Oh my god, Joe. The Obama whitey tape is real!

http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/blogs/phlog/OBAMA_IGNORANT.mp3
 
Very funny, Zach. I hope the guy who put that together did not mean for it to be taken seriously.
 
Scowcroft is, of course, a figure from the Bush era -- the Poppy Bush era. Is that change?

Sure it is, from the just past status quo. Famously, W eschewed virtually all of his father's policies and advisors, and W's policies were a radical departure from 50 years of foreign policy before him. Both James Baker and Scowcroft were rational policy makers (cf: the Baker Plan to reverse W's Iraq errors and crimes).

[Zbig] supported the creation of the Iranian theocracy as a buffer against the Soviets

Um, no, he didn't. Given the Carter policy toward Iran which he surely signed off on, he supported the Shah as a buffer to the Soviets in that region, and held that position far too long. I'm fairly sure you meant to refer to his 'Arc of Crisis' plan to subvert the Soviets with resurgent Islamicists fanatics throughout their southern socialist state borders (in the 'stan' states), but this didn't include Iran whatsoever, as I recall.

XI
 
Well...let's give Scowcroft some credit for warning Junior not to go invade Iraq.
 
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Wednesday, February 04, 2009

Lose your job, lose EVERYTHING

I was asked to cross-post this piece, which raises a very important issue. It's by Seth Wessler, and the original can be found here. Ignore the Obama-worship which slips into a couple of sentences: This piece addresses a matter of life and death -- and I don't think our current president is going to press for the necessary changes.

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It’s Time to Rethink Our Welfare Policy

Earlier this week the New York Times reported that even as many states have skyrocketing unemployment, their welfare rolls are shrinking. As a researcher for a racial justice think tank, I’ve been traveling the country collecting accounts of how this recession is playing out in the lives of every day people. Millions who are out of work, losing homes and struggling to stay afloat are nevertheless denied access to Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The punitive rules established after twenty years of racially coded frenzy to “end welfare as we know it” have left Americans with no safety net during this deepening economic crisis.

TANF replaces the old Aid to Families with Dependent Children program (to insert the “temporary”) and its creation relied on mythologized images of the “welfare queen” driving Cadillacs conjured by Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign. This kind of racial scapegoating, the politics many believe we outgrew with Obama’s election, vilified welfare recipients (who have always been mostly white) and led to rules that are so complicated and punitive that many struggling families cannot get the help they need. Now that all of us – not just people of color— are in recession free fall, there is nothing available to catch us. To fix TANF, we will have to put aside racial stereotypes to do what is best for the largest number of people.

When Welfare Reform passed in 1996, our macro economic outlook was optimistic and the rhetoric of "personal responsibility" was ubiquitous. The welfare rolls plummeted and conservative and liberals alike declared success. But unknown numbers of families (we mostly stopped counting) were left underemployed, underpaid and unable to comply with punitive regulations. According to Robert Wharton, the president and chief executive officer of the Community Economic Development Administration, "Ten years into welfare reform, caseloads may have decreased, but the number of people living in poverty has not". Welfare reform set up countless barriers to access. The most egregious of these are punitive work requirements and 5-year maximum time limits for lifetime eligibility.

One of the places I stopped in my travels was Detroit. Michigan has the highest unemployment in the country, passing 10 percent last month. Detroit has been hit even harder. Yet, reports the Times, the state cut its welfare rolls over 13 percent last year. In Michigan rules, like those in many states, public assistance is tied to work. A 30-year-old woman I met, lets call her A, lost her job as a teacher's assistant in a Detroit area public school, and then lost her TANF because she was no longer working. Now she has neither job nor welfare, and she's facing foreclosure with her four children. I heard dozens of examples like this. People who couldn't find a job, or even a decent volunteer opportunity, without childcare, transportation, and more help than the new welfare system provides.

A society cannot survive without a safety net and we don't have one during the worst economic crisis in decades. TANF needs serious reconsideration including a rescinding of punitive work requirements and an end to the time limits that cut people off after 5 years total enrollment. We need to ensure that families have access to supplementary benefits like food stamps, fully subsidized child care, transportation and housing assistance and we need to remove debilitating eligibility requirements that exclude many documented immigrants and people with past involvement with the criminal justice system. To do these things Americans have to be willing to move past their racial stereotypes about people of color and welfare.

The country recently came together in a proud moment to inaugurate our first president of color. We did so by putting our racial divisions aside in the name of collective economic self-interest. Now we need to do the same by rebuilding a system of support for everyone.
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My sister us deouty director for Social Services in the county where she lives. This rural, county is suffering from economic troubles going back several. She has told me for years about all the people cut from assistance, yewt their budget goes up every year. She travels to conventions all over the country constantly. yet women and children are doing without. In my opinion this has been the primary cause for the decline in the school system to the point that according to her there is a 50% dropout rate. I graduated from that school and it shocks me to hear that.

But, in Decermber my sister was wracking her brain to find a way to dispose of over a million dollars because if she didn't they would have to give it back. She was calling around to other counties to find someone who could use the money for the purpose it was allocated for. She bought books, school supplies and clothes for every school kid that came in. They had that much left intheir budget, but they cannot give thsat money to people who really do need it.

It really just pisses me off. And she doesn't like it either, but her options are tied up so that people who need money simply are not eligible to get it.

APISHAPA
 
Obama won't touch it. He's not going to go anywhere near helping single mothers - be ya' anything. Should it be reformed? Yes, it should. It served it's purpose as was, and we need to grow again as a nation, but Obama has no ability to lead us in this fight. His disdain for both women and impoverished families is to great, and his fear of his race being held against him to threatening, for him to walk into this.

One more reason we should have nominated Hillary.
 
Thanks for posting this. The piece is upsetting and the writer's clear misunderstanding of who Obama really is - even at this late date - is more upsetting.
 
I would think 5 years on the rolls is enough. If you can't find a job in 5 years, something is really wrong with you.

Also, why is it wrong to ask someone to work while they get welfare? In my state at least, there are qualifying volunteer positions that will satisfy the requirement.
 
APISHAPA,

when do people have to take responsibility for themselves? The parents and their kids who drop out of school are ultimately the ones responsible for the kids' inability to find a job later.
My grandparents were Grapes of Wrath poor, but they managed to raise kids who went to college. Now, these people can't even get their kids to school, and you are saying that it is social services fault? Give me a break!
 
We need to create jobs and bring back those that were exported, and then there would be little need for welfare except as a last resort.

Those who committed economic treason should be held accountable for their actions.

We whine about those on "welfare" but those who are getting millions off the taxpayer get little in the way of condemnation.
 
Aapparently MWAM lives in a world where welfare queens and their bastard sons are too busy playing B'Ball and blinging tha bling to actually get down to work, and that is what is plugging up all the safety nets. MWAM does not live in a land where educated white people are losing their homes, where people with college degrees are getting their asses handed to them on pink slips, nor where the economy is crumbling... no MWAM must live in a Pastoral Reganesque, where the wealth trickles down, and the only people with no work are those who don't want to do any....

Grapes of Wrath my ass.
 
One more reason we should have nominated Hillary

There may have been reasons, but this would not have been such a reason.

It was BILL CLINTON who made these changes occur, and PROGRESSIVES in his administration who resigned in protest. I know that is going to make heads spin around here, as it portrays Joe's catechism (Clinton/DLC GOOD, Progressives BAD)in reverse order.

Bill Clinton had vetoed the GOP's draconian version of welfare reform twice, but had promised it as an early '92 campaign pledge himself. Coming into the re-election season, he had advisor Dick Morris telling him that if he let the third GOP try at it go through, he'd win re-election more easily than if he did not let it go through (although he would win in either case, per Morris).

That was the Faustian bargain made by Bill Clinton with Dick Morris' aid and advice, and protested by the progressives and the anti-DLCers. While the most dire warnings of its effect failed to materialize at the time, they are now manifesting.

So how to respond to this? Should we pre-emptively blame the new guy, BHO, as a gutless wonder, and credit Hillary as someone who'd better handle this? When it was her HUSBAND'S gutless and self-serving work that created this mess? I find this unpersuasive, although your mileage may vary.

XI
 
MAWM,

To answer your questions - there is an entire transportation/childcare/housing clusterfuck that arises. IT's not that it's wrong to require them to work, it's that too many of the women don't have the resources to make it manageable. It results in women in rural areas spending hours and hours in transit because they don't own a car, and mass transit won't get them to where the jobs are. IT results in women in areas of high unemployment spending hours and hours in transit to get to where the jobs are. It's just not a productive use of anyone's time.

The biggest difficulty for mothers on relief is childcare. Most of them have mothers who work, so they cannot rely on family to take care of the kids while they go to work. So, then they're stuck paying the vast majority of their salary for childcare and there is no way for them to get stabilized - the necessary step before getting ahead.


Most women leave assistance when their last child enters school - because that's when they can finally afford to work. Childcare is, at a minimum, $80 a week and most places are far higher than that.

And finally, most women who are on assistance longer than a couple years, are dealing with health issues - either their own or their child's. Contrary to popular mythology, there are very few multi-generational families of welfare recipients and the vast majority of those recipients have long term, multi-generational physical, emotional and psychiatric illnesses. And both TANF and AFDC are/were far cheaper for the counties than dealing with those issues are.

We could eliminate most poverty among single mothers by simply creating programs that allow mothers to get a real education that leads to a real career - whether it's a 6 month pharmacy tech training, a one year LVN training program or even graduate level work. But we don't do that. We make it almost impossible for a single mom to go to school. And if we would bitte the bullet and develop the proper programs and housing, we could make them far more prosperous, and make their children far less likely to use public resources, and far more likely to go to college in their own right, simply by creating a program that allows them to work part time, and go to school full time. But nothing like that exists.

Listen, I'm smart and I'm frugal. When I left my husband, I couldn't figure out a way to go to school and keep a roof over my head and my child's head - and it's tougher now than it was in the 80s. If I can't do it, I guarantee you that the vast majority of women who've never had a family member go to college couldn't do it either.

Years ago, there was an experiment in Ohio where they provided childcare to high school age single mothers so that they could finish their high schooling. Much to the astonishment of state officials, all of the young women instantly enrolled and were incredibly grateful for the opportunity. Previously lousy students suddenly became super-students scrambling to catch up with the stuff they'd never paid attention to before. Here in Cali, we instituted a job training program called GAIN. The state officials built in penalties for women who refused to enroll. The progam was filled within the first day or two and the women who weren't accepted, were begging for the program to be expanded. Single mothers desperately want and need the ability to get training, but we do not provide it.

Single moms face a huge wall of housing/transpo/childcare. Landlords don't want to rent rooms or singles to someone with a child. In LA, bus passes are necessary for everyone over 5 - so a single mom who doesn't own a car is spending $170 on bus passes. How do you do that on $8 an hour?

That's a lot of info, MAWM, but that is what the situation is.
 
Icallbu Llshitonthat, why do you bring race into the discussion. Your race baiting is really offensive. Contrary to your prejudice, I am a liberal and I can't stand Reagan. My objection to one of the previous commenters posts was that I believe personal responsibility needs to be a factor in the whole welfare question.

Lori, I do not know the ins and outs of each states' program, and I would hope the system could be changed if instead of giving a helping hand it unduly burdens a person. If the work requirement means commuting 4 hours per day, then let's alter the requirements to handle exceptions like these.

My point is that the aim of welfare should be to lift someone out of poverty, and that won't happen unless there is some incentive to take personal responsibility. Getting a check with no string is something that human beings should never have.
 
Apparently, Anonymous, you prefer Ronald Reagan's welfare reform with it's dollar in/dollar out provision which was putting mothers in jail for babysitting on the side to buy their kids birthday presents. I'd be interested in hearing why you think Reagan's welfare program was superior to Clinton's but I suspect you don't actually know anything about what welfare was like before.


I volunteered with a program at the time that was helping move mothers off of welfare into the workforce under Reagan's welfare and saw the transition that happened with Clinton first hand. While it was far from ideal, it allowed a lot more women to survive with dignity than had been the case before. Some of the states cooked up some truly ugly programs, but those ugly programs always existed.

Clinton's reform provided a manageable way off of welfare - time to stabilize. With Reagan's version, the minute you began earning money, all of it was deducted from your grant leaving no roof for the transition. No ability to buy transportation passes, to pay for childcare, to buy appropriate clothes for the work force - going from living quite a bit below the povery level to working is expensive. Clinton's plan recognized that and allowed for it. It also finally forced the states to have their case workers help the moms find a job - and quite a few of them need real help.

As an example, I was helping a young Latino mom one time, who had held fast food jobs before. But she was trying to find something that paid enough to support her and her child. I showed up to help prepare her for interviews and found her wearing, for a job interview, an ivory cat suit, with an ivory lace overdress, ivory spike high heels and lots and lots of pearls. She thought she looked cute, and that looking cute was the key to getting a job. Her dad was a fireman and her mom had never worked - she had no idea how to go about getting a job. Once the states allowed the case workers to get involved, they had a way to help deal with those issues.

Yes, we need to reform it again. But people who preferred Reagan's version to clinton's hopefully won't have much say this time out. I know there are progressive points to be scored by scorning Clinton's plan, but I was on the ground working with moms and I know which version I saw work better.

BTW, Clinton's reform left GOP governors howling for the changes the Democrats had always wanted and could never get. Hopefully, that will happen with the next reform.

Yes, Hillary would do a far better version than what we have now, because she wouldn't have the ultra-hostile and conservative congress to work with that Bill had. BTW, when the house held hearings on the matter in the 90s, not a single welfare mom testified and virtually all of the testimony came from men who ran the programs. Bet you didn't know that.
 
Mawm,

Life on welfare and TANF is almost impossible without cheating. Most mothers desperately want to be off but cannot earn sufficient money to keep a roof over their head while paying for childcare - that is the single biggest issue. A generation ago, grandmum was at home and did the honors. Those days are long gone.

every time any entity creates a program that allows women to either get schooling, or pull together the resources to get off welfare, they are instantly flooded with applicants. There is very little lack incentive but there is a monstrously large lack of resources for these mothers.
 
Clinton didn't get his plan. That is why he vetoed the GOP-style welfare reform twice. He didn't get his plan the third time around, either.

Even when he signed the third plan, he mentioned that it had large flaws that needed fixing. They did revisit it, and changed some of the more harmful provisions with regard to immigrants. However, the worst flaw was that what had been an entitlement to welfare, if one met the criteria, was changed to a strictly time delimited program. After whatever time limit had been passed for any recipient, they no longer had any right or ability to get any federal aid of this kind at all, ever again. No cash stipend, no food stamps.

Not if unemployment rose to double digits, not if they had minor children at home, nor for any other reason. SOL.

Bill Clinton should have vetoed the third GOP attempt and all subsequent attempts at welfare reform, until these horrible flaws were removed. He need not have signed it in '96, except for his election consideration.

The notion that Hillary would not confront as hostile a Republican Congress as Bill did-- why do you say that? Of course she would have, and even had they been forgetting, her arrival would have been a wake up call back to hostility mode.

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There's work for you -- in India

IBM has a solution for those American workers whose jobs have been outsourced to India. They've come up with a program to outsource the workers themselves to India!

If you're planning on making the switch, a word of warning: ALL the movies produced in India are musicals, and they're all three hours long, or longer. (Unless things have changed since I went through my Bollywood phase.) The actresses are incredibly lovely. They don't want to date you.
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Also, Indian filmmakers do not appreciate the importance of blowing things up. Things almost never blow up in Indian movies.
 
I think Indian directors WANT to blow more things up, but the budgets forbid. There are explosions in "The Burning Train," a once-notorious kitsch masterpiece of '80s Indian cinema.
 
This isn't anything new. A neighbor of mine still works for a major mortgage company as one of the few people left in the accounting department. He's been worried about being let go for some time now, but accounting jobs are scarce. The company's IT department was moved to India several years ago. The major part of my neighbor's job is to review the IT output (financial reports) produced in India and let them know if they have their programs working properly. The company has been encouraging him to pick up and move to India where he would have a job at a greatly reduced salary because it would be easier to communicate with the IT department. He doesn't want to go because he figures it would only be a year or so before he had trained his replacement in India.

The Dems claim to want to send more young people to college so that they can "compete" in the global economy. Is this so our best and brightest can maybe find jobs in other countries?

old dem
 
"They don't want to date you."
Oh well, that leaves me out.
 
What hurts is that they specifically told Joe they won't date us. It's the story of my life.
 
Actually, Perry, "The Burning Train" starred the gorgeous Parveen Babi, who, rumor has it, moved to New York, dropped acid and went crazy. Now, she MIGHT have dated you, if you had caught her at the right time. Alas, she is no longer with us. I think Hans-Jurgen Syberberg should make a five-hour long biopic.
 
Well, if I ain't gonna get laid...
 
Unbelievable!
 
I can tell you Indians don't do sh!t in India. Projects are routinely delayed or behind schedules. We used to be able to get ASICS taped out on time and on schedule. Now we have to do the f*cking chips sometime twice or 3 times. Intel had to shutdown their CPU unit in India because of the same design problems my company is suffering from. Cheap does not mean good work. Infact it costs more whenever an ASIC had to be re-spinned. It is a f*cking mess.....
 
Note that in almost every story about welfare there is the near universal phrase "single mother and her five children..."; more and then more and then more contraception would help this problem. Maybe we should stop paying and giving tax breaks for children at two or three. (yes, I am in favor of welfare and no I am not a right winger at all)
 
A relative of mine has to go over to India 7 times a year to whip the manufacturers into western ideas of shape again and ag again. He once headed a large dept. Now he's the only state side employee in " quality control".

He fought to keep the jobs here. It was sad. His bosses hated him for trying to stop thier cheap labor climax and the workers here looked down on him for being a liberal.They were big Bush supporters and though that would save them... they had no clue and still don't.
 
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Tuesday, February 03, 2009

Correction

A post below discusses David Ignatius, the WP reporter who pissed off the president of Turkey (and a lot of other people) at Davos. My piece refers to him as being of Jewish and Armenian descent. I mentioned his heritage for the same reason so many others did: He had demonstrated clear bias while moderating an Israeli/Turk debate.

Turns out he's not Jewish. That bit of misinformation crept into quite a few sites by way of Wikipedia -- and the Wikipedia entry was manipulated by disinformationatists working a fairly obvious angle. The full details are here. I did not get the information from Wikipedia, but from another source which I should have double-checked; apologies.

By the way, his father is Paul R. Ignatius, who was the Secretary of the Navy under LBJ. That little factoid may go some ways toward validating my pet theory that the younger Ignatius may have been secretly recruited into a profession other than journalism. If I were more paranoid, I could patch together a cute little theory based on the fact that Liberty attack occurred on the watch of the elder Ignatius.
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The thing I like about your blog the most is that you often apologize, don't stop.

Like Woodward, it is interesting how people with certain backgrounds are interested in intelligence, or as you insinuate (theoretically), intelligence is interested in them. Still, being a journalist in this area doesn't mean to me that he has received compensation for services rendered from ONI or others. Do you have more here?

Joe, you see a lot of movies. Did you have a chance to see “Body of Lies” (Ignatius book) and if so what did you think?
 
He may not be Jewish, but an Armenian moderating anything involving Turkey, is the same priciple as as sending a Jewish person to moderate between Israel and any Arabs and/or Muslims (e.g. Dennis Ross)
 
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Monday, February 02, 2009

It really is weird on the right

I normally save non-political posts for the weekend. This discursive piece, although somewhat political, does not address current events.

I'm here to ask a broad question: Why is the art produced by right-wingers so strange?

Many of you may presume that the right produces no art at all. In America, the intelligentsia and the bohemians all lean left. Obama made his home among the so-called "creative class." All the well-known writers, from Gore Vidal to Stephen King, are liberal or worse. Progs own the cultural infrastructure, from the galleries in New York to the studios in Hollywood.

By contrast, you can find the conservative's idea of a great painting in the Thomas Kinkaide catalog. Anything else scares Mr. Right. He prefers sports. Oh, sure, the wealthier reactionaries may buy experimental contemporary art for investment purposes or for status enhancement, but nobody on that side of the political aisle makes the stuff, or genuinely enjoys it.

So runs the general presumption.

But that presumption is wrong.

Right-wing artists do exist, and some of them have created transcendent, hallucinatory works. Such artists often start on the left and then move to the far right. On rare occasions, they hop back to the left again. These artists tend to be...strange.

Very strange.

I began thinking about the relationship between Weird Art and far-right politics while listening, earlier today, to a recording of Wagner's Parsifal. As you probably know, Wagner segued from a hard-left stance (exiled in 1849 for revolutionary activities) to the tar-pits of reaction. Tristan und Isolde and Parsifal -- the chronicles of a great sin and a great redemption -- are transcendent, hallucinatory and very strange works. In fact, they get stranger every time I look closely at them. (It's no accident that the Liebstod was always a great favorite of the surrealists.)

I was introduced to Parsifal via the work of a man whose name will -- I hope -- be known to some of you: Hans-Jürgen Syberberg, the mad genius of Munich. He's known for ultra-long, ultra-surreal "dissertation" films which defy classification as either fiction or documentary. In 1981, he made a film of Wagner's opera Parsifal, which I saw at a special advance screening at the Samuel Goldwyn theater (the home of the Academy).

Syberberg was there -- yes, he speaks English -- and he was very weird. Charming, but weird. He conveyed a rather gnostic sense of unease in the material world, as if unable to hide his annoyance with all the mundane crap (money, food, clothing, cars, other people, gravity) which impeded his pursuit of the beatific vision.

If you're interested, here's his visualization of the prologue to Parsifal. If you click on that link, you'll see puppets deliver a backstory that can make sense only to those who've already seen the movie. You'll also glimpse the boy and the girl who jointly play the titular hero/heroine. The woman playing his/her mother also plays his/her lover, a combination of Mary Magdalene and the Eternal Jew. Here's a snippet (so to speak) of the film's famous gigantic severed penis festooned with the heads of Marx and Nietzsche.

A movie just isn't a movie without stuff like that.

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YouTube can't begin to convey the experience of sitting in that theater on that long-ago night, because Syberberg insisted on raising the volume to a level that made your average rock concert seem like the silence of Yahweh. The prologue sequence ends with a Wagner automaton jamming a spike into a giant ear, an image which we in the audience understood all too well. During the intermission, audience members begged HJS to turn it down. He said no. If his English were better, he probably would have said "No, pussies."

I had already seen (in one sitting, dammit!) Syberberg's best-known work, the 7 1/2-hour long Our Hitler: A Film From Germany. (The word "Our" slips in and out of the title, depending on the print. The reference goes to a notorious coffee-table book, also titled Our Hitler, published by the Third Reich.) Syberberg's film is the craziest thing anyone ever saw -- and you can download the whole insane asylum here, online and for free. You must watch all seven hours in one go, at night, alone, missing sleep. Do it that way or I'll call you a pussy. But before you click, you may want to heed this fellow's advice:
Hans Jurgen Syberberg holds a special place in that same sticky heart for directing the longest stoner flick every made, the massive nine-hour Hitler - Ein Film Aus Deutschland. You had to have a kitchen garbage bag chock full of weed to get through all of it, but it is sooo worth it.
All of which brings us to the point of our essay: Syberberg's politics.

In 1977, when I first saw Our Hitler, my friends and I (and you may recall that my friends were mostly Jewish) automatically presumed that Syberberg was situated somewhere on the left, or at least not on the right. A lot of other people jumped to the same conclusion, including George Lucas and Francis Ford Coppola (who distributed the unwieldy epic in the U.S.) and the BBC (which helped fund the work) -- not to mention Susan Sontag, who wrote a famous admiring essay.

Her acquaintances pressured her to take back those words of praise when Syberberg later made some surprising statements in his autobiography. Here's an HJS gem:
So now Jewish analyses, images, definitions of art, science, sociology, literature, politics, the information media, dominate. Marx and Freud are the pillars that mark the road from East to West. Neither are imaginable without Jewishness. Their systems are defined by it. The axis USA-Israel guarantees the parameters. That is the way people think now, the way they feel, act and disseminate information.
He goes on and on like that, sounding rather like Xymphora with a hiatal hernia. It's guff. (Yeah, I'm no friend of Israel, but I still call it guff.) "Jewishness" defines neither Marx nor Freud. As I recall, much of the "West" spent much of the last century aiming nukes at the followers of Marx, and Freud started falling out of fashion in the 1940s. When Syberberg's Hitler movie came out, Freud was despised; Jung was all the rage among the college crowd, because Jung wrote about alchemy and flying saucers and other cool shit.

The Hitler movie is not pro-Hitler, and it certainly betrays no anti-Semitism or insensitivity to the Holocaust. But even on first viewing, it did give the impression that Syberberg can't help loving German Romanticism, even though he also sees Hitler as the end product of Romanticism. After Hitler, art was dead -- at least the kind of art that Syberberg liked. Adolf had given it the baddest of bad names.

Jonathan Bowden, the former "cultural advisor" to the racist British National Party, offers an erudite introduction to Syberberg in an ill-recorded audio presentation which begins here. I was a little unnerved to find myself enjoying his lecture, since his vaguely Nazified weltanschauung differs sharply from my own way of thinking. (Although his former party promotes an obnoxious Holocaust revisionism, Bowden does not seem to buy into that nonsense. Other nonsense, to be sure, but not that nonsense.) Like many others, Bowden seems confused as to where to locate Syberberg politically -- placing him, ultimately, somewhere on the right, though not within those extreme realms that the BNP, David Duke and the ghost of Adolf would call home.

So why, back in the 1970s, did my friends and I -- and Susan Sontag -- presume that Syberberg was hip, liberal and one of us? Because the guy served up one big bowl-full of bug-ass weird, and we liked weird. He was surreal, he was avant-garde, he cared not a shit about lucre, and he had a fuck you attitude toward the established order. He just had to be a compatriot, a fellow citizen of Bohemia who shared our basic ideology.

How naive we were. In the late 1970s, my merry band of bohos had yet to learn that fascist rabies tend to infect the masters of Weird Art.

Think of Salvador Dali, the artist generally considered the king of surrealism. He pissed off his less-talented Marxist comrades in the surrealist movement when he painted a picture of Lenin with a five-foot-long butt. Then he pissed off everyone else on the left by embracing Catholicism and sucking up to Francisco Franco.

Think of Ezra Pound, a mad genius (certified as such) who spent the war years plumping for Mussolini on the radio. In the process, he even pissed off Benito himself, because Pound tossed away the script and wrote his own propaganda screeds.

Think of T.S. Eliot, the mad genius who gave us The Waste Land (another spacey Grail tale). He once wrote:
"What is still more important is unity of religious background, and reasons of race and religion combine to make any large number of free-thinking Jews undesirable."
(He later regretted the fact that his ragged claws had ever typed those words.)

Think of Jean Cocteau, the French surrealist who neither fled nor criticized the Nazis after they had invaded his nation and sicced the Luftwaffe on the lines of refugees. Even though Cocteau was bisexual, and even though he had come close to sharing the fate of those who wore the pink triangle, he had nevertheless flirted with fascism during the Occupation, having worked hard to further the cult of Arno Breker, Hitler's official sculptor. (After the war, he was acquitted of charges of collaboration.)

Cocteau was the alleged leader of a right-wing secret society called the Priory of Sion, which is either a thousand-year-old mega-conspiracy or a two-man hoax, depending on which books you read. Although the Cocteau connection is probably spurious, the two fellows who did run the society (Philippe de Chérisey and Pierre Plantard) had links to the Vichy government -- and to surrealism. Quite a few people suspect that their massive hoax was actually a work of surrealist conceptual art. (That's a long story which nearly everyone on the web has gotten wrong. I'll get into it one of these days.)

Even American surrealist David Lynch was once an admirer of Ronald Reagan and Libertarianism -- although I'm told that his politics are now more centrist/Democratic.

You can probably come up with a half-dozen further examples. My point is this: One can indeed find major artists on the right, even on the wacko far right. They are not all hacks like Breker. Some of them do astonishing work. Not all surrealists are right-wingers, but the really good right-wing artists are usually surrealists. If you don't like that term, then let us simply say that they tend to be major oddballs. Mad geniuses.

(One exception: Degas. A reactionary, an anti-Dreyfusard, and a great painter. But not a weird painter.)

Why the conjunction of surrealism and reaction? I think I have an answer.

Surrealism, like religion, provides a door by which the dream world invades waking reality. Fascism does the same. Fascism will always possess an insidious appeal because it disdains logic and unfetters the Id. (Forgive the Freudian terminology.) As the proverb has it, the sleep of reason breeds monsters. A Ustashi thug burning down a barn filled with Serbian enemies probably had no desire to go home and read a Croatian translation of John Steinbeck -- but he might have enjoyed looking at the works of H.R. Giger, if Giger had been around at the time.

Conversely, a nice, sane liberal like John Steinbeck could not have written a surrealist book even if asked to do so by someone holding his family hostage.

And so we come to the present day. The Bush presidency, at least in its first term, gave our nation its closest scrape with out-and-out fascism. Yet (Lynch aside) the jingoistic culture of those years produced no Weird Art of any lasting value. America has not yet given up on reason. How do I know? Because conservatism -- still the predominant ideology of this culture -- has yet to whelp up a mad genius like Syberberg.

When that happens, get ready either to heil or to head for the hills, because the jig is up.
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Four words:

Britney
Spears
Childbirth
Statue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Edwards#Britney_Spears
 
What Zach said.

And a shoutout to the sprouts in Californ-i-a.
 
The right very much intends to infiltrate the arts world, it's just that it's last on the list.

Scarborough used to give seminars in this plan....he told his young Republicans the plan started with the school boards (indeed Joe Scar used to fly back to FL from DC in order not to miss his school board meetings) move into politics, then the media, then arts. So when Joe Scar knew he was making his move to TV, he still ran for re-election and then quit, ensuring that there would not be an open election and Rethugs would keep the seat.

When Katherine Harris came to Boston I overheard her and her cronies talking about this very thing...about moving into arts, and there is a conservative Christian film studio opening up in Plymouth MA. They plan to be a major studio, so we can all look forward to more crap like that Alabama movie Reese Witherspoon made.
 
Okay Joseph you made a great post but you got me here on this one. So I'll just ask you a few questions (I have my own ideas about what "right wing" means and my questions mainly deal with that):

1. Was Syberberg racist/sexist/homophobic during his talk?

2. Isn't "He conveyed a rather gnostic sense of unease in the material world, as if unable to hide his annoyance with all the mundane crap (money, food, clothing, cars, other people, gravity) which impeded his pursuit of the beatific vision." - a liberal cliche as well? I mean aren't there "left wing" artists who feel the same?

3. Didn't the guy who wrote The Lord Of The Rings trilogy feel the same "sense of unease in the material world"? (I've heard he might've been racist too? Don't know if he was sexist or homophobic though.)

4. Have you ever rented a film called "An American Carol"? It's supposed to be a humorous re-telling of "A Christmas Carol" where a guy who's supposed to be film director Michael Moore is treated "Carol" style to the "right wing" conservative world view (in fact one of the ghosts that escorts the Moore character is a modern artist of a supposed "right wing" type music, country music star Trace Adkins (I guess Toby Keith was too busy?))

But then of course what exactly would "left wing" romanticism be? Mark Twain? Woody Guthrie? Bruce Springsteen?

FWIW the only dark, surreal flick (and accompanying album) that I can think of that matches some of Syberberg's work is Pink Floyd's The Wall. And how weird is it knowing that Floyd's leader at the time Roger Waters hated Hillary and was a HUGE fan of Obama last year?
 
Zee...

Syberberg was not at all racist or homophobic in that lecture. He tried very hard to be charming, and had even managed to talk his way out of flashing a swastika in front of an audience in Beverly Hills. A smile, a wink, "Oh what a naughty boy am I..."

Yeah, there are lots of left-wing (and non-political) artists who convey that gnostic sense of alienation. This is precisely why we took Syberberg for a lefty. In our experience, the only right-wingers in the film business (note that we're suddenly using the word "business") were guys like John Wayne, who took his fat paycheck, donated part of it to the JBS then retreated to his yacht where he swigged tequila while yowling about how the rest of the world was going to hell, godammit.

Tolkein definitely had gnostic tendencies. Don't know his politics.

Name a left-wing romantic? At one time, there were quite a few -- Beethoven, Berlioz, young Wagner, the pre-Raphs, Courbet, the New England Transcendalists, and so forth. In more recent times, romanticism's emphasis on the irrational and on individualism stopped appealing to many on the left. I guess Hitler had a lot to do with that.

If the new right in America infiltrates the arts, it won't be through the efforts of a Katherine Harris or a Joe Scarborough. They need a mad genius. Right now, they can supply the madness, but they can't come up with the genius.
 
Do you think Oliver Stone is somewhat Wagnerian? Mark Twain said Wagner's music is actually better than it sounds. Would Twain have said about Stone that his movies are actually worse than they look?

Tom Wolfe is a well-known and very superior writer who's not liberal, says he's very conservative, and doesn't believe in God. Would you say David Mamet, also among the best-known writers, is liberal?

You don't think NASCAR logos is good art?
 
Mamet is by no means a romantic or a surrealist. Well, there's a saying that if you scratch a cynic you'll find a romantic -- but in Mamet's case, you gotta scratch to the marrow.

Wolfe has a romantic streak, yeah.

I really like Oliver Stone but I would never call his work Wagnerian. I don't even think it's particularly strange, except for the sublime "Natural Born Killers." I never saw the thing with Herve Villechaize.
 
Hmmm. Where would a film like Brazil fall? (I assume Terry Gilliam is left of center, but of course, this is a film about fascism).
 
Mamet goddam well better be a surrealist or we're all so much more fucked than even he ever imagined. Are you sure you're not deceived by his art of wiretap dialogue? What about Kubrick's last work? Did he buy into the original, take off on it (like he did with King), 'modernize' it? Don't guys like David Thomson (and you) essentially treat all movies as surreal works? Dreams and their ilk put out there?
 
I didn't mean that Katherine Harris or Joe Scar would be supplying the art...! I just heard them both talking about The Plan, is all.

Who knows? It may be nothing more than an influx of films like The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, which is a super-Christian story.

Speaking of genius, tho...how about Laura Dern as Katherine Harris in Election?

And Jimmy Stewart might not have been as obnoxious as John Wayne (to put it mildly) but he was Republican...so some conservatives make good solid art...
 
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Bank nationalization

I've been up all night and thus haven't the energy to write a "real" post at the moment. So this is going to be a "What he said" post -- the "he," in this instance, being Lambert of Corrente, who suggests making the banks into regulated public utilities.
Why shouldn't paying your mortgage, or your auto loan, or your student loan, be exactly like paying your light bill? None of those businesses should be hard, and none of them demand "complex," "innovative," "financial instruments," and they certainly don't require testesterone-driven Merry Banksters sucking enormous bonuses off the company tit. So cut the parasites out of the business and get back to basics.
Think about it. The banks create money. They do this when they make loans. Why is the creation of money considered essentially different from the delivery of gas to your stove?
One more advantage: Regulated public utilities tend not to fail, unless the privatizers get in and screw them up, and when they do, they're small enough to.
The reference, of course, goes to the way Enron screwed California.
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Banks are also entities that demand the rate at which they will borrow our money from us to invest for themselves.

Miss P.
 
My public member feels very private.

Hmmm...seems similar to what I've heard from a few Eastern Europeans lately. Why not have the federal government provide X service for us. Well...you do remember how that turned out right? Why not un-privatize everything?

My facetiousness obscures the serious questions, when does a service becomes unviversal and should be handled by the population at large (federal goverment)? In many places they have public health insurance. In some places they have public automobile insurance. When should we have toll roads and when are roads a shared service for all of us? Some countries are so hell bent on not charging people for services they do not consume that they actually have an "own and use a TV tax" (France & UK). Imagine little vans travelling around your neighborhood trying to detect your TV!

To me it is simple, if the service is used by enough citizens and the service can not be differenciated (like by competition) then consider nationalizing, otherwise leave it the fuck alone.

America has supported risk and I support America. Be liberal, support risk. Job liquidity is cool.*

P.S. DISLCAIMER: My personal risk was supported by unionized government employees.
P.P.S. And Joe, thanks for not always talking about Obama. You are Daily Show-esque ;-)
* (except for now and next year)
 
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Sunday, February 01, 2009

Bailout banks hired FOREIGN workers with taxpayer cash

I cannot believe this. I cannot freaking buh-LIEVE this. Warning: Reading this AP story will turn your face stoplight red.
Major U.S. banks sought government permission to bring thousands of foreign workers into the country for high-paying jobs even as the system was melting down last year and Americans were getting laid off, according to an Associated Press review of visa applications.

The dozen banks now receiving the biggest rescue packages, totaling more than $150 billion, requested visas for more than 21,800 foreign workers over the past six years for positions that included senior vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and human resources specialists. The average annual salary for those jobs was $90,721, nearly twice the median income for all American households.

As the economic collapse worsened last year — with huge numbers of bank employees laid off — the numbers of visas sought by the dozen banks in AP's analysis increased by nearly one-third, from 3,258 in the 2007 budget year to 4,163 in fiscal 2008.
And the motive...?
Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to pay them less than American workers.

Companies are required to pay foreign workers a prevailing wage based on the job's description. But they can use the lower end of government wage scales even for highly skilled workers
The bankers are importing workers in this economy?

There's my argument: We must allow exceptions to the laws forbidding homicide.

In general, I am a law-abiding fellow who feels no desire to commit any crimes -- certainly not any violent crimes. But if the U.S. state and federal codes were re-written in order to allow me to slit the throats of the bankers who made that lovely decision, I would see my duty and fulfill it instantly. And I would sleep well that night, secure in the knowledge that I had done the work of the Good Lord. Yes, I'm serious.

Proof once again: Capitalism can work only if the capitalists are kept controlled, chained and whipped.
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As I recall, US companies with reconstruction contracts in Iraq were reported to be importing foreign workers - sometimes from as far away as India - even though Iraqis could do the jobs, and unemployment there was climbing to 30, even 50 percent.
Exactly right, Joe, or as Teddy Roosevelt put, capitalism needs to be regulated in order to keep us safe from "the malefactors of great wealth."

Sergei Rostov
 
"Proof once again: Capitalism can work only if the capitalists are kept controlled, chained and whipped."

BRAVO, Joseph! Why isn't anyone else seeing this, reporting on it or talking about it??? The toxins in our food supply and environment are destroying our brain cells and leaving america impotent.
windsun
 
This is nothing short of criminality by corporations. They've had the go-ahead since the Reagan years. What people have to understand is there has been a class war being waged on the vast majority of the American people by the few, and it has been going on for over 25 years.
 
These f*cking @ssholes need to be dragged from their high-rise towers or their estates or wherever and then stoned to death!

Bastards!!
 
Sadly capitalism does work and is working... After we've chained and whipped the bastards, why don't we just expropriate them and have ourselves a proper, human, non-exploitative society without money, bosses, etc.? That's better than keeping the scumbags in their place. Their place, so long as they hang around, will always be above us and exploiting us.

And the thing is...after a few years of soup-kitchens-for-the-millions, breadline wages (for those lucky enough to be in a job), and the attempt to reduce the population which is obviously on the cards in the areas where there's a falling demand for labour, it's possible, just possible, that the goal of such a socialist society, based on need and not profit, will raise its head again. Because it's possible, just possible, that minds won't be controlled quite enough for the technofascist, exterminationist alternative to be achieved. Let's hope so. What we fucking well need is anger, more anger, collective anger, lucid and anti-bank and anti-capitalist anger. Absolutely no doubt about that...

Because remember this... Depressions are not times of capitalist decline. Look at the Long one. Look at the Great one. They're times of technological revolution. And this time that would mean bending down and kissing your arse goodbye as the microchip goes in your head... (If anyone thinks that's a loony suggestion, could they please criticise it constructively by either a) arguing for why, this time, unlike on previous occasions, there won't be any capitalist technological revolution, or b) arguing for why the technological revolution will lead in another direction entirely).
b
 
To think of the left in America as part of all this is just too much. Unions are useless now. So what the regular people to do. Just sit in front of the computers and bitch?
I am sure the thousand of banks employees who were laid off would have chosen a pay cut if they were asked instead of unemployed.
 
This is just one of a few things that I've read over the past couple of days that enraged me. I sent an email (not that it will do much good, but I thought I'd try) to Reid. I quoted and cited this article plus an article in the NYT about additional giveaways to banks that offer student loans, a link to a post about the hypocrisy of Dodd and Obama when they decry the $18.4 billion in bonuses given out by Wall Street firms, and an article in Bloomberg in which Stiglitz berates the "cash for trash" plan for Big Banks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/education/28educ.html?_r=1

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=11229

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.GJvNfWtCX0&refer=home

John Williams of shadowstats.com estimates that the real unemployment/forced underemployment figure is 17.5% and that by the end of April the U.S. will see the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-A-14748

Whatever is done about the meltdown will be owned by the Democrats. I really don't think Reid or many Democrats are smart enough (or perhaps are just too corrupt) to understand this. After all, this is the party that rolled over and supported the Republican/neo-liberal economic policies that made wholesale exportation of U.S. jobs and unsustainable trade deficits possible.

old dem
 
I'm glad you brought up this topic for discussion, it is important. However, people are getting a little too excited me thinks. C'mon a little perspective here, put the nationalism and fear on hold for a sec.

Banking and especially the finance parts are definitively international. That means all sorts of complicated systems and structures exists, with people communicating/businessing over the entire earth. Some traditional centers for this activity are New York, London, Boston, Chicago, Dubai, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Zurich, Luxembourg. All of these cities have recently required more labor than local talent pools provide. This will probably change now with recession. Many of the jobs in this industry required significant skills and people have been clearly well paid (maybe too well!). The fact that the article mentionned average annual salary of $90,721 suggests these jobs were of that kind.

It all seems to boil down to one real question:

1) Are significant numbers of qualified americans losing out for jobs to equally or less qualified foreigners? Dunno. But anecdotally I have worked in this space and have not found such americans.

Some counter-thoughts:

Are we suggesting all the qualified americans working abroad, say in London or Frankfurt, lose their jobs too? Should only Germans work for German banks?

The medical field has had similar skill shortages, should we not allow skillful medical people from other countries come work for us?

The U.S. seems very protectionistic lately, and there are many legitimate fights to pick, but trade has been critical to this country's success this century and isolationist populist jingoism doesn't help resolve the issues. Kinda like the way too many people made fun of the last president's speaking patterns and didn't pay enough attention to the blatant corruption surrounding him. I think we should generally be happy we've sucked many of the most talented foreigners into coming and working here.
 
The issue to many is not American vs not American. For an industry to fire people by the thousands and for reasons that had nothing to do with their performances, and turn around and offer the same jobs to others is just unacceptable. Unless of there are reasons we don't know about like the whole banking system is not the same any more and not in a good way I may add.
 
There are no qualified American workers? Millions of Americans sit in jobs that seem to go nowhere while they work their butts off, hoping for career development and advancement. Then these crooks have the gall to claim they have to import workers. How about promoting the thousands of workers you're laying off into these positions?
 
It's a sign of "spreading the wealth"....just not to you or me,the people who are footing the bills.
 
arbusto205: 1) Are significant numbers of qualified americans losing out for jobs to equally or less qualified foreigners? Dunno. But anecdotally I have worked in this space and have not found such americans.

I find it highly implausible that all the sacked American workers in the banking industry were "unqualified" or less qualified. The alleged "skills shortage" in many industries doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The fact is that a lot of large industries and services (banking, pharmaceuticals, insurance, IT, accounting, etc., etc., etc.) have all been playing "let's offshore every possible job or replace citizens with visa holders" (in blatant defiance of the spirit of the 'guest worker' laws) for a couple of decades now. (Ha, apparently they think that we can continue buying stuff from them even when we no longer have any jobs.) It's very interesting that we've had so many cases of "unqualified" American workers having to train their allegedly more qualified replacements, on pain of losing the severance package they need. (IBM, Nielsen, e.g. Funny, that, incompetents having to teach the qualified.)

Are we suggesting all the qualified americans working abroad, say in London or Frankfurt, lose their jobs too? Should only Germans work for German banks?

There will always be a class of people with a high, rare, level of skill that will be in demand internationally. But I can think of any number of social and economic reasons why deliberately replacing qualified nationals with foreign workers (for any reason) is bad policy. Deliberately replacing nationals with foreign workers when you are engaged in an obscene plundering of said nationals' pockets - well, I don't think "short-sighted social irresponsibility" quite describes it.

At any rate, some nations, like Germany and France, protect the interests of their own better than others.

The medical field has had similar skill shortages, should we not allow skillful medical people from other countries come work for us?

The problem with increasingly relying on imports to fill critical skills instead of investing in and maintaining the native skills-base (and the fact is, importing is very often done mostly or solely to cut labor costs), is that this not only drives out citizens in the short term, in the medium-term it pushes citizens away from pursuing careers where employment opportunities have been reduced. In the medium to long run the technical
base of the nation, which is really the work of generations, is lost. Large nations that aren't producing enough, say, doctors and nurses should address the reasons for this, not take the lazy way out by swinging into permanent import mode. (I know that nursing, for example, has a huge bottleneck in training slots. That can, and should, be fixed.) End result of all this short-term, bottom-line thinking: wrecked nation. Is this what we want to leave to our children?

The U.S. seems very protectionistic lately...

The U.S. is nowhere near the top tier of nations pursuing protectionist, mercantilist trade policies. And I wouldn't be surprised if it were dead last in the category of "restrictive immigration policies".

and there are many legitimate fights to pick, but trade has been critical to this country's success this century and isolationist populist jingoism doesn't help resolve the issues...I think we should generally be happy we've sucked many of the most talented foreigners into coming and working here.

There is more misapprehension about trade and "protectionism" in this comment than I have time to dilate upon at the moment, but suffice it to say that the "free" trade polices of the last couple of decades have been disastrous for the U.S. Trade policies that are a "success" do not lead to massive deficits, the loss of millions of jobs, or the necessity of ginning up bubble after bubble to sustain the unsustainable Ponzi scheme that is our current ill-conceived "globalization" regime. And no, pointing that out does not make one "anti-trade", let alone an isolationist populist jingo.

And though highly talented workers are welcome, the huge uptick in legal immigration in recent decades has not, alas, translated into any kind of general benefit to the nation. The fact is that most guest worker visas (H-1B, L-1, etc.) have squat to do with the "most talented". They are cheap labor visas, often used to facilitate offshoring, and, as Milton Friedman said, function as subsidies for corporations. (There is another category for persons of extraordinary talent, which is accessible to the actual "best and brightest", and for which, I believe, there is no cap.)
 
MOTHERF@#$!

Why is our press not reporting this? Have we become such frakin sheep that we will roll over and allow shit like tis to continue?

This is so freaking unbelievable! Now I really understand why so many people just snap and go gaga! It is high time that we the people, drag these greedy bastards out of their towers by their gonads!

Wake the f@#!% Up People! Soon they will be feeding you....soilent green!
 
Red Oak,



Thank you for your excellent remarks, all too rare in blog comments.
I agree with almost everything you wrote.

I totally agree the offshoring (at least sending work to other countries where labor is cheaper) is hugely problematic. I consider it the big question of modern day business/capitalism. Communication and transportation efficiencies are fundamentally changing our world's business system. Always have, but the newfound abilities in communication especially are huge and allow for all sorts of new models. I've been trying to understand it in the context of my own business, and it is very difficult. However I think the finance industry, at least the parts highlighted by the AP article, is not the best example of the damage caused by this transfer of labor costs to corporate/share efficiencies and executive pay.


> I find it highly implausible that all the sacked American workers in the banking industry were "unqualified".



I couldn't agree more. I think that this is a massive contraction of this industry. But to me it has very little to do with the "Americaness" of its workers. Equal layoffs/firings have been occurring across the globe. Also there is a delay in visa request statistics; because they were very high in 2008 certainly will not make it so in 2009. The gist of the AP article and Joe's complaint was that American workers were being 'replaced' here in record numbers and with taxpayer money. I do not feel this is the case. I think the imported skill was part of the bubble growing and will subside now with a ... pop.

I also agree with you that we have not been historically very protectionistic. But my point was this is changing now in a dangerous way. See today's news: Congress...work plan...EU/Canadian trade war...Obama overriding?

To sum up, I don't consider the AP example really an American issue, more of a corporate incompetence/bubble issue. I'd just rather we discussed a better example of harm to our economy than this one, and that people were more discuss-ive (you) and less shout-ive (not you).

FUNNIER PARTS

> It's very interesting that we've had so many cases of "unqualified" American workers having to train their allegedly more qualified replacements

Agreed, seems to often happen when the replacements are Americans too.

> There is more misapprehension about trade and "protectionism" in this comment than I have time to dilate upon at the moment

Laughing hard. Caught me on the blatant hyperbole, but I thought the “isolationist populist jingoism” comment was kinda self-referentionally funny. Look at some of the other comments for Joe's post, they are so...restrained.
 
Hi
The corruption is the part of every country. I thinks the banks performed a vital role to extend the capital of the government.In my point of view Pakistan economy can will be strong,if the government of Pakistan should be stable and work for the welfare of the peoples,
 
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