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Thursday, January 15, 2009

Disgusting (updated)


"Wipe them all out!"

I am trying very hard to direct my vitriol against the Israeli government. But after viewing this video, I have no choice but to condemn every Jewish American who supports the current atrocities.

The mask is off: These monsters want genocide. They know full well that it was Israel, not Hamas, which broke the ceasefire. They do not care. Racial and religious hatred has consumed the souls of these people.

They have been driven insane by the realization that the Palestinians are the rightful owners of that land. They will never admit this plain fact, but they all know it in their hearts. Hence the bloodlust. Their mania is founded on a secret guilt. They must scream for blood, louder and louder, in order to drown out the small, persistent voice that says: "You know full well that you're in the wrong."

When the Nazis destroyed the Warsaw ghetto, did German Americans dance in the street?

Update: Anti-Israel demonstrators in Canada may now face legal sanction. The Canada-Israel committee, which has no complaint about the Jews in the above video who explicitly call for genocide, now wants to criminalize anti-Israel "hate speech" in Canada.

Some of the examples they cite are genuinely vile. Yet even the worst of that lot is far less vile than was the recent piece by a prominent Jewish historian -- published in the New York Times -- calling for for the use of nuclear weapons to wipe out 70 million Iranians.

Apparently, some Jews feel that they have the unique privilege of being allowed to use exterminationist speech. Everyone else is forbidden to speak freely. Jews are holy; Jews may do what others may not.

I don't know which is more appalling -- the arrogance or the hypocrisy.

Among the "hate speech" exhibits displayed by the Canada-Israel committee:
...someone in Montreal held a sign that read, "Israelis are the Nazis of the 21st century."
And so they are. Only a brainwashed bigot would refuse to acknowledge that plain fact. Keep in mind that the offender here is just some unknown personage holding a sign -- not a professor writing a column in the New York Times.

Are they now going to ban my blog in Dudley Do-Rightland?
Comments:
I have never heard a critic of Israel who didn't acknowledge that the firing of rockets at Israel is wrong.

By contrast, I have yet to hear an apologist for Israel who will admit that Israel has done a single thing wrong. The asymmetry alone tells us who the bad guys are.
 
I lived with a guy from Israel for awhile. It was eye-opening when he would comment that the only good Arab was a dead one. Those words were ingrained into him since childhood. Funny though, he had left Israel when he turned 18 because he was then required to enlist in the Israel Army and serve the required time.
 
Even Pat Buchanan, formerly a strong supporter of Israel, has been expressing outrage over its war crimes. This morning I saw Queen Noor of Jordan (still gorgeous btw) presenting--FINALLY--the other side of the "Israel can do no wrong" coin, and the other commentators--who were previously very pro-Israel--were more than receptive to her remarks. I do wonder if the tide, as Joseph insists, is starting to turn...very slowly, but still turning.

Meanwhile, 90 percent of the Israeli population supports the IDF's genocide and watching the war has become a popular pastime. Israelis climb a hill and bring picnic baskets and cheer when the rockets go off.

There is something deeply wrong with that, and with how their supposed leaders have twisted their sould.
 
...their SOULS, not SOULD. I don't even know what a sould is.
 
Speaking of twisted souls, the BBC reports that Israelis soldiers are deliberately shooting at women and children in Gaza:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm
 
I am from Canada and they have a tendency to take political correctness to ridiculous extremes. While there is currently a Conservative government in power, Canadians tend to be more center left than right. I doubt there is a particularly strong pro-Israel bias among the majority of Canadians, and the media tends to be even more liberal there than here. Likely this is just a knee jerk reaction to what was perceived as hate speech.
 
OT but another Slippery Slope:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/01/14/2009-01-14_unacceptable_censorship_the_united_natio.html
 
Hitler modeled nazism on zionism. Super-macho, industrial-strength, zionism.
 
I see no evidence that Hitler did any such thing. And Zionism was far, far more benign in the days when Hitler formed his odious weltanschauung.
 
I think Israel's actions in Gaza are way out of proportion to the threat.

However, please tell me on what factual basis do you make the folowing claim:

"the Palestinians are the rightful owners of that land."
 
Scroll down. I've made the point over and over again. No Jew ever had a right to set foot in that land -- not in Biblical times, not now. The Bible itself bears witness to that statement. (And no, I did not quote selectively. Read the text for yourself.)
 
DancingOpossum, Pat Buchanan has been a skeptic of Israel and its so-called 'Amen Corner' in the US Congress for a long time. There is no recent conversion on his part.

I agree that the kind of genocidal fervor portrayed by these Jew on the street interviews is disgusting, and fundamentally wrong, leading to evil.

However, I'm not entirely sure that these same sentiments aren't found in average Americans when 'the other' is discussed, whether back in the day 'the other' were Communists, and now, chiefly Arab/Islamic terrorists.

To some degree, this is understandable, given the vast body of propaganda stretching over decades, providing a one-sided frame of reference and alleged history of these events.

How many Americans even now condemn the atomic bombing of Japan, or realize how we forced them to war in the first place, over our competing commercial interests in their backyard, the Pacific Rim countries?

Jews, like other Americans, have been fed a very specific set of lies about the situation in the Levant. Only in recent times have there been Israeli and other historians who set the record straight, but it goes without saying that their findings have not received any kind of PR push to help them overcome 50 years of lies.

Americans still believe that invading Afghanistan was a reasonable response, and that it can work, when all indications are to the contrary.

I shy away from calling for the destruction of societies on the basis of their stated bloodlust, when that would equally apply to my country, IMO.

XIslander
 
From that BBC story Forrest posted:

"Some Palestinian civilians in Gaza say Israeli forces shot at them as they tried to leave their homes - in some cases bearing white flags.

One testimony heard by the BBC and human rights group B'tselem describes Israeli forces shooting a woman in the head after she stepped out of her house carrying a piece of white cloth, in response to an Israeli loudhailer announcement."

This is on top of the news that Israeli forces demolished the UN relief station that was housing food and medical supplies for the people of Gaza.

"Monstrous" doesn't even begin to touch it.
 
favorite quote, " ...But who am I to judge?you seam to not be opposed to the terrorists and that makes up a bad person"

The guy with the Mic should have been a tad less smarmy. It takes away from the point that dropping bombs on schools does little else than kill children. Unless Hamas is using the schools as a "supposed" safe haven to make their rockets. This is all starting to sound so cooky.

Is Hamas really willing to do things such as "weapons" manufacturing under schools knowing full well that the IDF will bomb the school to hell? Knowing that spilled blood will drive those already into a rage into a fervor. And conversely is the IDF really willing to kill women and children knowing full well that it will only make their enemies hate them that much more.


So many fun crazy people make the world spin, such as Ibn Saud, the founder of what is modern day Saudia Arabia. this quote "..for a muslim to kill a jew [in war] or be killed by a jew, ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of god Almighty" Lacey ,The kingdom, p259

Enough is enough with crazy people coming to power.
 
"How many Americans even now condemn the atomic bombing of Japan, or realize how we forced them to war in the first place, over our competing commercial interests in their backyard, the Pacific Rim countries?"

Really nice way to rewrite history, poor little japan was forced into war, and plundering china. They had no choice but to rape Nanking because the bad americans really were to close. Yeah um....WRONG!!! what are the

what are the 50 years of lies you speak of? Israel and Zionist dreams were foolish at best, but I can look at it with a good Monday morning quarterback view. Nobody is a true friend of Israel, the mossad is real good at catching people say something like "those dirty jews" and then blackmailing there as to a wall.They fight dirty and hard in a world that in reality has described laws and no prescribed laws. They know how the game is played. It's probably why they have been driven onto a paranoid schizophrenic behavior, only they have reason to be paranoid. Well only as much reason as a family of klansmen setting up shop in east oakland. Ask for trouble and you will get it I suppose.
 
Good point, XIslander--I guess I was lumping Pat Buchanan in with the rest of the RW nutjobs (in which category he doesn't always belong). But I do recall his term "Amen Corner" and how he was labeled an anti-Semite for this.

You're right about extreme racist views; witness the way an embarrassing number of Americans railed about "ragheads" and "sand xxxxxs" during the Iraq warAnd yes, the same rhetoric no doubt comes up in hardcore pro-Palestinian circles. And in our own history it's very recent that you couldn't use ethnic slurs against Native Americans or African Americans (the Washington Redskins STILL won't change their team name).

"How many Americans even now condemn the atomic bombing of Japan"

I was at a talk by Phyllis Schlafly many years ago where she stated that the atomic bomb was "a gift from God to America."
 
Wow!

And they call themselves..."The People Of God?

BULLSHIT!
 
I have always been a supporter of Isreal and hoped for a Palestinian state and justice for the Palestinians. However, we are very cosy here at our keyboards passing judgment.

Given the times, would we criticize with equal vigor the firebombing of Tokyo? The extensive bombing of German cities? The dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan?

These actions seem more justifiable to those committing them given the circumstances they find themselves in.

If Fatah was more moderate than Hamas and they could not come to terms with Isreal, I see this as Isreal positioning itself in relation to Hamas. ie If you will not make peace then here is your war.

I don't see war as solving much. It does increase the pain to a level that may make more people wish for peace...and more yearn for revenge...on both sides.

Imagine what will be next when Netanyahu is Prime Minister.

On New Years eve I spent most of the evening talking to a man who was born in Jerusalem. He is a Muslim. His family still lives there. His high school is at the first station of the cross. The way he described the situation confirmed for me that the conflict helps those in power stay in power. That the people on both sides are largely ready for peace. This is the crux of the crime as I see it.

Last note, the world will never back suicide bombers. If the Palestinians want world wide support on the level of the anti-apartheid movement they will have to employ different tactics.
 
I have always been a supporter of Isreal and hoped for a Palestinian state and justice for the Palestinians. However, we are very cosy here at our keyboards passing judgment.

Given the times, would we criticize with equal vigor the firebombing of Tokyo? The extensive bombing of German cities? The dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan?

These actions seem more justifiable to those committing them given the circumstances they find themselves in.

If Fatah was more moderate than Hamas and they could not come to terms with Isreal, I see this as Isreal positioning itself in relation to Hamas. ie If you will not make peace then here is your war.

I don't see war as solving much. It does increase the pain to a level that may make more people wish for peace...and more yearn for revenge...on both sides.

Imagine what will be next when Netanyahu is Prime Minister.

On New Years eve I spent most of the evening talking to a man who was born in Jerusalem. He is a Muslim. His family still lives there. His high school is at the first station of the cross. The way he described the situation confirmed for me that the conflict helps those in power stay in power. That the people on both sides are largely ready for peace. This is the crux of the crime as I see it.

Last note, the world will never back suicide bombers. If the Palestinians want world wide support on the level of the anti-apartheid movement they will have to employ different tactics.
 
The so called "Jews" are European, and have no right
to Palestine. They are not the Hebrews of the biblical
times, but converts to Judaism from Kazaria. They are not Semites. Israel has no right to exist.
 
Clayton,

You are closer than you may imagine. Yes, Japan at the time was the least self-sufficient industrialized nation of significance,* lacking any native sources of oil, almost any other basic commodity, and etc. They badly needed the resources of their neighboring states for their very survival as an industrial state. It's quite right that they initiated aggressive war to meet their needs, but then, how did that concern us, exactly?

At the time, the US was the most self-sufficient industrial nation.* Nonetheless, a business foreign policy lobbying group of near-plenary influence* determined that WE needed those Pacific Basin nation assets, not for our survival, but for our continuing increasing PROFIT MARGINS. They planned, suggested, and had implemented, every policy FDR put in place to roll back Japan's seizure of these resources and territories, while explicitly stating their ultimate suggested (and implemented) move, our embargoing oil to Japan, would lead them to declare war on US, not just their Asian neighbors.

As to the use of the bombs, the entire civilian and military high command of the US and Britain recommended a 'plan B' instead of their use. Plan B was the clarification of terms of surrender to include assurances of the survival of the emperor (instead of executing him for war crimes, as was going on with the German high leadership). The sentiment among the US military leadership was so strong to this effect that they pled with their British high command counterparts to tell their civilian leadership to convince Truman and Jimmy Byrnes to change their minds-- TWICE.

There has been a vast bodyguard of lies concerning these facts, so that the American people have generally never heard of this option, or that it was unanimously held as the preferred option, except for HST and JB.

Similar lies of commission and omission surround the founding and history of Israel. Few in America know that the entire panoply of Israeli leaders were themselves terrorists who committed war crimes, massacres, ethnic cleanings, the use of aerial napalm on retreating refugee columns, etc.

The story was that THERE WERE NO PEOPLE in Israel (a land with no people for a people with no land), that the few Arabs living there left voluntarily (not because of terror slaughters), and etc. The terrorism the Israelis committed against UN officials, the Brits in their mandate, US and allied nations, etc., all have been airbrushed from history. (Cf: the Lavon Affair, the King David Hotel bombing, the USS Liberty attack, etc.).

The '67 6-day war was presented as defense against a first attack by the Arabs (a lie), then revised to be a justifiable pre-emption of an attack just about to take place (a lie).

*According to historians Shoup and Mintner, after they were allowed an extensive review of Council on Foreign Relations documents from their pre-war study groups (see, e.g., their article in the Holly Sklar-edited book, 'Trilaterlism.')

Mike: To little notice and no credit, there have been NO suicide bombings in Israel for quite some time now.

XIslander
 
the world will never back suicide bombers.

Oh. Just the people who will kill and not sacrifice themselves.

They back former members of the Irgun and those who were born of former members.
 
Anon...first, I normally do not publish Anonymous comments. Second, think critically, fer chrissakes. That whole "Khazar Jew" canard was invented by a guy named Arthur Koestler, who was -- to put a none-too-fine point on it -- a nutcase.

From Wikipedia:

"Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi."

Koestler appeals to the same simple minds who take books like "Holy Blood Holy Grail" without question.

I am attacking Israel and the supporters f that nation on the grounds of racism. I will not tolerate racism as part of the counterattack.
 
The Israelis have slit their own throats with this one. Save for the bought and sold politicians/media of the U.S./Canada, no one else in the world is looking at the last apartheid government in this world and regarding this action as anything but genocide. "Zion" has become the virtual equivalent of "Nazi" and you could take nearly any description of the two and interchange them without any appreciable difference at this point. The sad thing is that there are many liberal Jews around the world who despise what is being done in Gaza ("in their name", so to speak) and they likely recognize that there will be a blowback from all of this sooner or later, against all Jews and against all Americans for supporting them. Needless to say, I don't support ANY of this and yet I know that there is cause and effect, that retaliation wIll come (I suspect that was part of the Israeli plan all along), that or a Zionist false-flag attack, designed, again, to lay the blame at the feet of those occupying lands desired for "Greater Zion". If the U.S, had any sense, it would "liberate" Israel from it's Zionist dictators, remove every bit of military hardware (including small arms, sorry, no 2nd Amendment for you), man the security fence towers and check points with Arab guards, blow up every sewage plant and water treatment facility, block off all imports or exports (including medical supplies) and pen the Israelis in for a few years, while the war crimes trial proceed. It'll be interesting to see if the fire off any fire cracker-like "rockets" in protest of this.
 
When will the U.S. Congress stop being USAipac and following the Zionist like the next Chief of Staff, and start a Jewish Caucaus for peace, and not a Zionist Industrial enablers. Wage Peace.
 
Israel created Hamas as a counter to the PLO. She needs to deal with her illegitimate child and not murder Palestinians while doing it.

I know you used Hamas when you need them, but it's your problem, NOT Palestine's.

Take responsibility for what you've created.
 
Why are suicide bombers worse than F16's with smart bombs? The only difference is the munition carrier, one a 16 year old bombing a market place and the other an F16 bombing appartment buildings. The suicide bomber commits all while the F16 lives to bomb again. War is hell.
 
Well said and well done.
 
"If the Palestinians want world wide support on the level of the anti-apartheid movement they will have to employ different tactics."

Well it's true that the anti-apartheid movement used nonviolent tactics mostly, but remember necklacing? And peoples' courts? Those were brutal acts of violence in the last years of the anti-apartheid movement. And don't forget, that lovely woman Margaret Thatcher branded the ANC a "terrorist" organization.
 
Yes, but where are the Stephen Biko's and Nelson Mandela's and ???I can't remember his name, I think it was Wood or Woods...the newspaper publisher...where are the Palestinian versions? Why don't we see them on the news condemning Isreali and Palestinian violence? If peace would ever be an option, where are the leaders on both sides who would carry it out?

Peace does not serve the interests of leaders on either side nor does it serve the Arab world. With a massive generalization, I would suggest that because they cannot defeat the Israelis militarily, the Palestinians satisfy their need to at least harass the Israelis...at great cost to the Palestinians.
 
IMO the Palestinians should use some political jujitsu against the Israelis. The Jews wanted a homeland...so do the Palestinians. The Jews were oppressed and killed...so are the Palestinians. These kinds of ideas would have universal appeal and even have traction within Israel. And, how could Israel argue against these kinds of ideas? This is going to be the same battle over and over unless the tactics change and there is a willingness to compromise.

Just my opinion.
 
Benny Morris's article is here. He wrote it from "Li[e]-on" in Israel. He says Israel will almost certainly "attack Iran's nuclear sites in the next four to seven months", i.e. during the period of the "lame duck" White House.

Re. Arthur Koestler and the Khazars, even if the Ashkenazim were descended from the Khazars, then so what? Maybe he was just mistaken rather than crazy, to believe so? Or mischievous? Not sure that he was a nutcase. Many Spanish non-Jewish people converted to (Sephardic) Judaism, so there must be loads of non-Semitic genes in many Jewish people's DNA - but who cares?? Identity is culturally determined.

For a complete nutter, see Colin Wilson, referring to Stan Gooch, who lends credence to the kookery that Jews are descended from the union of Cro-Magnon males with Neanderthal females. All very 'scientific', I'm sure. I've heard from a reliable source that Wilson has long been a serious Nazi occultist, but a lot of this can be explained by the fact that made-up shit can sell a lot of books.

Curiously, the leader of the (post-neo-Nazoid) British National Party, who once denied that large numbers of Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis, now says that Jews are, on average (gotta be 'scientific'), the "cleverest people on the planet". He particularly likes the works of a couple of Jewish professors who were involved, along with Charles Murray, in relegitimising the vile racist view that people of some ethnicities are genetically determined to be "on average" more intelligent than people of other ethnicities. Sadly we are a long way from widespread recognition of the fact that intelligence (however it is defined) is environmentally determined too.
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I don't know enough about Gooch to respond intelligently, although I've heard that he has lately formed some very weird theories involving Neanderthals.

Wilson a "Nazi occultist"? I don't believe it. I don't believe that he is an occultist of any kind, and I don't think that he is a Nazi.

He DID flirt with Holocaust revisionism for a brief period that he later hated to talk about. Basically, the crappy pseudo-facts offered by Fred Leuchter turned him around for a bit, until wiser minds turned him around yet again.

Wilson's is the sort of mind likely to be taken in by fake facts, because he seems biased in favor of any claim that goes against convention. But the fact that he was willing to hear the other side proves, I think, that he was naive rather than bigoted. He's not a crank but he is crank-friendly.

Does he make shit up? I've found him to be genuinely reliable, as long as you keep in mind that he is likely to believe claims that other people would regard skeptically.

I can recall one time when he wrote something that was provably untrue. Oddly enough, it involved the Holocaust. In his Encyclopedia of Murder (first edition; before the flirtation with revisionism) he said that the murders in the Auschwitz gas chambers had been filmed.
 
A former friend of mine had a friend whose father was in a long-lasting Nazi occultist scene with Wilson. Wilson uses weasel words to give credence to the "Jews descend from Neanderthals" idea. He also has a "sociobiological superman" type of explanation of why Moors murderer Ian Brady committed those murders in the 1960s. Brady was, and probably still is, also a Nazi. Very ugly ideas here, which make Koestler's look relatively harmless, at least discounting their later use by racist nutcases. Many Karaites (aka in Russia "Mountain Jews") may well be descended from Khazars. I don't think the idea that Ashkenazim have inherited some DNA from Khazars has been fully disproved either. (See e.g. here). Not that it matters. 'Scientific' researchers into all this are going to be as unreliable as the straightforward myth-makers.
b
 
I'd wear the same glasses to look at any 'scientifically' credentialised research into a possible Khazar-Ashkenazi link as to consider similar research on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Why is an Ashkenazi-Khazar link a 'canard' anyway? Doesn't matter who my fellow human beings are descended from. Interesting how the term "Arab Jew" has been (almost but not quite) excised from mainstream discourse, notwithstanding for example what Yasser Arafat said.

Continuing the riff: I wonder what percentage of people in the US or UK know that Yasser Arafat was a Nobel Peace Laureate? Not that receiving that award indicates that someone is other than a mass murderer - look at Henry Kissinger and Ariel 'Sabra and Chatila' Sharon's Zionazi buddy Shimon Peres.
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I still have a hard time believing that about Wilson. But now I'm on the look-out for new info...

I'm reminded of a fellow you probably never heard of -- Jim Brandon. In the early 1970s he put together a delightfully written, whimsical travel book called "Weird America." The book is not so well-known now, but at the time it was a big part of the revival of interest in Forteanism.

Brandon's take was sardonic and wry, yet also open-minded. He gave the impression of being kind of a hippie.

I always wondered why Brandon was not more prolific. He wrote another book, a strange volume called "The Return of Pan," published in the early 1980s, as I recall. And that was it. The guy was as mysterious as anything he ever wrote about.

Only much later did I learn that "Jim Brandon" was a pseudonym for William Grimstead (what a name!), a noted neo-Nazi. The Saudi government once notoriously retained his services as a lobbyist for their government. That occurred about five years after the publication of "Weird America."

You have to wonder how he got the gig. What were the Saudis thinking? "A lover of Hitler best known for writing an occult travel book? Yeah! That's the guy we want to represent us!"
 
"Yes, but where are the Stephen Biko's and Nelson Mandela's..."

Its a common fault of logic that if you haven't heard of something or someone they must not exist. Where are the Palestinians who support non-violent action against the continuing injustice they face? Off the top of my head I'd mention Huwaida Arraf, founder of the ISM, which has twice been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. I'd also mention George Rishmawi, Mustafa Barghouti, Mubarak Awad, Iytan Burnat, the villagers of Bilin and Jayyous and many West Bank villagers who are non-violently demonstrating and petitioning against the continual confiscation of their land. There are many others who's names do not come immediately to mind. Just because the you do not hear of them in the US does not mean they do not exist. Sadly, none of them have been successful in attaining their goals of equality and justice. We in the US tend to have a fairy-tale belief in the ability of non-violence to change things for the better.

And, BTW, most people tend to forget this, but the ANC never disavowed using violence in its struggle against apartheid, and did commit violence. In fact, Nelson Mandela was repeatedly offered release from prison if he would disavow the use of violence by the ANC and he consistently refused to do so.
 
Thanks tree...I have heard of a peace movement on both sides, but never any names. I would have liked to see Arafat pull a Sadat, but as he said, his own people would kill him. What I am looking for is the folks with the stature of a Rabin or Arafat, ie Nixon goes to China...kind of person who could pull it off.

I will look into what these folks are doing. Thanks again.
 
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