Thursday, January 10, 2008

A convergence of ominous signs

A picture is coming into focus, and it doesn't look pretty:

1. Bloomberg will almost certainly run. He'll draw more votes from the Democratic candidate than from the Republican.

2. Hillary Clinton stands a very good chance of being the nominee. I have no problem voting for her, although she is my third choice. But her electability is questionable, even without the Bloomberg factor.

3. Those who favor a conspiratorial view of the NH primary vote seem to be of the opinion that Hillary found a way to rig the machines -- as though the folks at Diebold just love them Clintons. It seems obvious to me that the Republicans would rather run against Hillary.

Alas, "progressives" would rather see her as a Machiavellian schemer. Which brings us to...

4. Clinton paranoia is alive and well on the left and right.

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For an excellent illustration of point 4, take a look at the Democratic Underground reaction to this story by Chris Floyd on the Sibel Edmonds case. Before we study the reaction, we must first take proper note the article itself.

Floyd's offering is really a brain dump, a mish-mash of stuff that has been floating around for years. I'm not saying that he has published anything untrue or unimportant. But there is nothing new here:
The failing Arbusto was later bought out by Harken Energy in a sweetheart deal that landed business failure Bush a plum spot on the Harken board and plenty of stock to play with. Bush soon worked his magic touch on Harken: the company began to tank. It was saved by an unusual infusion of $25 million from the Union Bank of Switzerland, one of BCCI's associates. The deal was brokered by long-time Bush family contributor Jackson Stephens – who, curiously enough, was also a major paymaster for Bill Clinton's political rise. In fact, in 1992, Stephens was the largest individual contributor to both Bush I and Clinton in their presidential contest.
All quite familiar. Floyd does not link Stephens to any of the men Edmonds accuses of wrongdoing, at least not in any direct fashion. (Indirectly speaking, the BCCI tentacles go everywhere, of course.)

Now look at the reaction over on DU. The merest mention of Stephens has spawned a thread filled with the worst sort of Clinton-hate. As always, the "progressives" think they're being hip and clued-in when they spew stuff that could have appeared on a Wall Street Journal editorial page circa 1995.

It is true that Stephens has worked both for and against the Clintons, for reasons complex enough to fill a Russian novel. I'm not going to get very deep into that history here, and neither will I allow my readers to do so. (Take the hint, folks.)

Suffice it to say that this is all damnation-by-association stuff. If you look at the websites devoted to exposing dark Stephens/Clinton conspiracies, you'll see lots of smoke but no specific charges of Clintonian malfeasance. (Example.) As you continue your Googling, you'll note an odd phenomenon: When anti-Clinton "progressives" talk about Stephens, they often cite the Free Republic website and similar sources. The SIBPATS speech soon follows. (SIBPATS = Standard Issue Both-Parties-Are-The-Same.)

Of course, many "progressives" won't tell you that Stephens' primary ties go to the right, and that he turned against Bill Clinton when donation did not translate into purchase.
(By the way, I seem to recall reading that Stephens and Jimmy Carter were college roomies. So if we're going to favor the "cooties" theory of politics, we can't ignore Jimmy, can we?)

For the facts of the Clinton years, see Conason and Lyons' The Hunting of the President. Alas, that masterful book seems to be slipping down the memory hole.

The silliness to be found within one DU thread, though insignificant in and of itself, exemplifies a larger problem. Zoom out for a wider view.

If Hillary is the nominee, the 2008 election will not be about the Bush/Cheney legacy, or health care, or the Iraq war, or the economy, or crony capitalism, or the decline of America as a respected power. All of that will go out the window.

No, the national discussion will remain mired in a morass of discredited conspiracy stories from twelve years ago. And I just don't want to go through it again.

If Edwards or Obama is the nominee, at least we'll have a new bunch of hokey conspiracy stories. That should be fun.

Watch out for BACAWT! Prediction: If Hillary continues to do well, the attackers will link her to the unloved lame duck currently sitting in the oval office. The SIBAPTS speech has a corollary, which we may call the "Bush And Clinton Are Working Together" meme. BACAWT, for short.

Mark my words -- it's gonna be huge. BACAWT will engender Hillary-hate on both the right and the left.

Few people now remember that many voices within the anti-Clinton movement of the 1990s were also perfectly willing to damn Bush the elder. For example, John Cummings' Compromised (a book I do not like, because I don't trust his main source) pictured Poppy and Bill C. as partners in crime. Pat Robertson's The New World Order touched on the same theme. Throughout the 1990s, the BACAWT meme was often heard on the lecture circuit and within "patriot" channels. The attacks on Bush I eased off around 1998, just as Bush II was revving up his national campaign.

Look at this Ed Schultz discussion board, and see what happens when "progressives" get their anti-Clinton facts from the Moonie Times: "Bush and Clinton were partners in the Mena smuggling ring! Vince Foster was murrrderrred! AIEEEE!!!"

One both the right and the left, the pseudo-hip will repeat this codswallop until they actually convince themselves that the country was not better off under Bill Clinton than under either Bush -- that Whitewater was an atrocity of the same magnitude as Enron or Haliburton. Call it the victory of conspiracy theory over lived experience. Paranoia trumps memory.

Bottom line: If the presidential race involves both Hillary and Bloomberg, I do not see how the Democrats can win in 2008.

On a related note: Larisa seems impressed by Floyd; I cannot agree with her. He lost me here...
The nuclear proliferation-for-profit ring is just one of the criminal operations that a genuine investigation of the 9/11 attacks would bring to light. Because once you start exploring any part of the dark nexus...
And so on. Whenever you see that kind of wording, you know that a piece has ceased to be a structured essay with a linear narrative, and has instead become a dumping ground. Back in the conspiracy-crazed 1990s, this kind of scattershot screed was very popular.

Then again, this very post has touched on so many disparate topics that I must also plead guilty to the "scattershot" charge. We thus end here.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Joe, I think with respect to Hillary finding a way to rig the machines you have to think bigger. Hillary is THE establishment candidate in this election. The machine (machine as in the establishment) knows that the little people are restless with the GOP. As such, they're willing to put another candidate into power who they know will continue to do their bidding.

The whole Republican/Democratic thing is seeming more and more like political theater to me the older I get. Neither party is willing to make the tough decisions necessary to right this ship of state, and both seem altogether too willing to do the bidding of corporate America at the expense of the working family.

By rigging the primary voting, which clearly would draw far less scrutiny than rigging the actual general election, the powers-that-be can be sure that no matter what happens in November, they get a candidate they can depend on in the White House in 2009. I mean, how do you think we got saddled with that loser Kerry in 2004?

This is why Edwards gets such short shrift from the corporate media: he's saying things that frighten them. His policies would hurt their oligarchical standing.

Hillary=Bill=GHWB=GWB

Jamie in Boston

Anonymous said...

ok so if the repigs would rather see hillary running then why does it make sense that hillary cheated?
the more likely scenario involves diebold cooking the numbers to let hillary win.
the repigs know only edwards beats all thier candidates.

Joseph Cannon said...

jamie...this is exactly the kind of thinking I wrote my post to argue against. I'm letting it stay up as an example: Yes, there really are people out there who think this way.

But don't try it again. Hillary is NOT the establishment candidate. Clinton and Bush are not equivalent. And don't you DARE try to give the SIBPATS speech on my blog again. Creep like you are the ones who elected GWB in the first place because they pushed Nader in 2000.

I really wish I didn't have to defend Hillary because I'm not in her camp. I prefer Edwards myself. But even John Edwards would, I am sure, agree that the calumnies you have outlined here are ludicrous.

anon 7:11 -- uh, that's the very point I was trying to make. Read point 3 in my list again.

Joseph Cannon said...

It suddenly hit me.

Jamie, you didn't read past the jump, did you?

Joseph Cannon said...

I've been deleting some insulting commentary. I don't know why people who don't like me continue to show up here.

Dudes, just GO.

One commenter informs me that the Clintons must be as dirty as the Bushes. After all, didn't I know that Jackson Stephens was the secret power behind WHITEWATER?

Uh, no. I didn't know that.

And that's what it has come to, folks: "Progressives" are now telling us that the REAL issue is Whitewater.

The Great Scandal That Wasn't has returned. The truth about Ken Starr's witch hunt has gone down the memory hole.

See why I no longer call myself a progressive?

Anonymous said...

It occurred to me this morning that if New Hampshire *was* rigged, the greatest ultimate impact will be not in terms of favoring one candidate over another, but through a longterm effect of discrediting polls, and even exit polls, among the public.

I saw somewhere recently -- I think it was in the quotes from the document Benazir Bhutto was trying to get out when she was killed -- a discussion of how an election could be rigged most effectively by moving just a few votes in places where the voting was close. And that's always been the assumption.

But what if that doesn't matter any more? What if there's no polling lead so large that its failure to manifest in the vote-counts can't be explained away in terms of last-minute shifts, voter reluctance to be honest about their secret biases, and methodological error?

So if the vote-counting really *was* rigged (and that's a big "if"), my money is on it having been someone laying the groundwork for November, and not on anybody who deeply longs for Hillary to be the nominee.

But the really disturbing part is that it may not matter whether there was any funny business in New Hampshire or not, because it's still likely to lead to the same result. That is, if Generic-Dem is ahead of General-Pub by 15% next November and loses anyway, everyone will say, "Well, you can't trust the polls. Remember New Hampshire."

I think that for that reason alone I'm likely to support anyone who expresses skepticism about New Hampshire. Regardless of whether or not the voting was actually rigged, *something* damned fluky happened there, and it's important to find out what -- because if we don't, it's going to be used for sure against us.

Charles D said...

If the NH election was rigged, I would bet the farm that Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with it. First of all, the Republicans are in bed with Diebold and they have every reason to want to run against someone they been demonizing for 15 years. Second, I don't believe the Clintons would do such a thing. I disagree with their politics, but I don't think they would take such a great risk for such a small reward.

While there will certainly be a significant difference between any possible Republican nominee and Senator Clinton (not enough of a difference for my taste, but there's no question that she would be better than the Rethug), there is little difference between the kind of politics Bloomberg represents and that of the Clintons and Obama.

Bloomberg's great strength will be that he isn't Hillary Clinton, and he is likely to be more functional than the eventual Republican nominee. Of course, it might turn out to be a 4-way race if Ron Paul weighs in as he has threatened.

One thing about this election is certain. It reiterates the obvious: our political system is broken and neither major party has any interest in fixing it.

Antifascist said...

Joseph I appreciate your blog -- precisely because I have serious, fundamental differences with you politically. I don't support the Democrats and I despise the knuckle-dragging Republicans. Am I a "progressive purist" No, I'm a socialist and damn proud of it! ;)

But why attack Chris Floyd for doing what, a historian of parapolitics does, that is, research! Your attack makes no sense. Reasonable people after all, can disagree without tossing Floyd's article on the same dung-heap as the "Arkansas Project."

You write: "Floyd's offering is really a brain dump, a mish-mash of stuff that has been floating around for years. I'm not saying that he has published anything untrue or unimportant. But there is nothing new here..."

A "brain-dump"? Come on now! Does the corporate media (not to mention the majority of harebrained "netroots" denizens) ever heard of BCCI, let alone contemplate the implications such an onerous institution poses for democratic society? Nugan-Hand, Castle Bank & Trust, Ltd. anyone? See the pattern here? Bipartisan criminality, covert ops, cut-outs, drug-dealing, money-laundering, on and on...

And another thing... :) certainly you can see Floyd's point re: the secret trade in nuclear technology and 9/11, can't you? What's involved? Covert networks, indeed, many of the same players: ISI, the Afghan-Arab database al-Qaeda, disposable intel assets, ruling class power brokers, incompetence to the point of facilitating mass murder: can you say Colleen Rowley? If Edmonds and Floyd aren't describing a "dark nexus" than what are they describing? Seems pretty damn dark to me.

Joseph Cannon said...

Tom, you make some good points.

I think I was too hard on Floyd, and probably should apologize. In large part, I was criticizing him for flaws in my own writing.

About once a week I remind myself not to write so discursively. A blog is not a book, and a blog post should make but one point. And yet...

Well, my bad habits should be apparent enough by now. My posts are too long and they cover too much territory.

I might as well admit that the Sibel thing, or at least the blogland reaction to it, is starting to bug me. I fear that it will turn into a dumping ground for every conspiracy story of the past twenty years. (Something similar happened to the Christic case back in the 1980s.)

And THAT would lead to whole lot of problems.

Problem one: I would not want wide-ranging speculation to affect the what-she-saw-with-her-own-eyes reportage of the main source. No, I'm not saying that this has occurred. I'm saying that this sort of thing has happened before.

Problem two: We all want to tie every scandal into one big overarching theory. But life does not work that way.

Problem three: I'm seeing a resurgence in conspiracISM as a weltanschauung. It's an ism like any other -- a cult, a philosophy, a belief system.

And I've seen with my own eyes the dangers of that cult. In the end, it becomes a way of looking at the world. And it becomes divorced from the difficult process of applying standards of evidence to individual claims.

Here's the problem: As you correctly note, there really are conspiratorial actors in this world. BCCI and Nugan Hand and the Safari Club a whole bunch of other stuff you and I could name are all quite real.

But people who become enamoured of conspiracism for its own sake soon lose any sense of the real. Like a junkie shooting increasingly harsh does into his veins, they go on the prowl for ever-new paranoid highs.

Soon they start filling the needle with shit from John Birch, Milton William Cooper, and Nesta Webster.

BAD shit.

I've seen this very process happen -- many, many times.

In an unpublished earlier draft of that post, I compared Floyd's piece to that crazy letter Paul Wilcher sent to Janet Reno. (You can find it on the net if you look.) It was a hundred pages long, and it threw together the Kennedy assassinations, the Son of Sam killings, Waco and god-knows-what-else. (Was Rennes-le-Chateau in there? I can't recall.) Back in the 1990s, this nutball screed was passed around like the Holy effing Grail, as though Wilcher had acquired personal knowledge of these events, when in fact he had merely cribbed from a few dozen conspiracy books.

Frankly, Floyd's piece had kind of a Wilcher-esque odor to it. At least to my nostrils.

I think we have to be a bit more careful. What did Edmonds see? What can we learn from other sources? What is evidence, what is surmise? (I have nothing against surmise, as long as it is clearly labeled.)

Oy. Look, I did it again.

I don't exactly have a right to accuse Floyd or anyone else of being discursive, now, do I?

Antifascist said...

I agree with your take on "conspiracism" vs. testimony from eyewitnesses, especially from folks like Sibel Edmonds who put their lives on the line. Their lives.

"I fear that it will turn into a dumping ground for every conspiracy story of the past twenty years. (Something similar happened to the Christic case back in the 1980s.)"

I'm afraid the Edmonds case already has. I always thought it critical, a moral imperative even, to support whistleblowers in their very dangerous and very lonely quest for justice, not advance one's own agenda. Quaint, no?

One near recent-and very distasteful-example and then I'll stop. Remember the late, great Gary Webb. Of course yo do! What happened to Webb's solid reportage once Mike Ruppert (!) and company got their claws into that story?

"Soon they start filling the needle with shit from John Birch, Milton William Cooper, and Nesta Webster.

"BAD shit."

VERY BAD shit! 'Nuff said ;)

Joseph Cannon said...

Yeah, well, an even better example of bad shit is here...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5527#comments

I think Brad is one of the greatest writers alive, but his reader commentary sections often feature contributions from the kind of people I would chase off with a sharpened rake.

I'm still trying to figure out the behind-the-scenes problems referenced here, but it is clear that Sibel is starting to become the story instead of the source. That's a problem, although it may an inevitable one, given the nature of events.

More disturbing is the fact that some readers have fastened onto the Zionist angle. And it seems to me that they are doing it in a very unhealthy way.

This places me in a weird position. I'm no fan of Israel. As you probably know, I got harassed when I published a series of pieces labeling Israel a racist state. I think the very idea of a Jewish state (or an Islamic state, or a Christian state) is wrong.

But...

When conspiracy buffs fasten on "Zionism" as their one-size-fits-all explanation for the Grand Plot -- well. We know what comes next.

We live in such paranoid times that some people can read the above and call me a tool of the Jewish conspirators, while some Jews would call me an anti-Semite.

Bad shit indeed.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, The Scandal That Wasn't is showing up in a bunch of bizarre places lately, Joseph. I even saw a headline or two about Obama's alleged "shady" "mafia" real estate deal this month. Why do Rove-ites think that shit is selling? Best I can figure, it's just a warm up, to keep the mind of the MSM-reading public believing the Democrats are the ones in political trouble before the bigger smears arrive. But, but...I just don't get why that meme exists at all. To whom does it appeal? "Questionable" real estate buys? It's even more bland than "Hillary doesn't tip enough." They might as well start accusing Obama of not paying his parking tickets. Or of even having parking tickets.

Anonymous said...

Well, any number of extremely well positioned, highly regarded leaders of nations have made remarks equivalent to stating that 'a' (generic, unspecified) conspiracist theory of current events is true. These would include lionized historical figures such as Winston Churchill, Disraeli, FDR, and etc.

Were all of them raving loons, or were they perhaps pulling the curtain back on the truth to the benefit of us unwashed non-insiders?

...sofla