Hi everyone,My responses to this letter -- and my brief investigation of its origins -- come after the jump. (Please read the rest before commenting.)
I just received a message from Bryant, following the President's address on Iraq . I wanted to forward it to you all. He has settled into the job of medic over the last two months +, and though we don't hear from him near enough, he does let us know he's "good" whenever he can.
Mike
Here's the rest of his letter to us:
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:17:06 -0800 (PST)
From:
Subject: My view of Iraq
Following the article I sent about Bush's national address and troop increase, I thought it was a good idea to let you all know what the perspective is over here. I'm tired of hearing the media's skewed version, the politicians squabbling over what they read in a report, and the average ill-informed American ranting about things he knows NOTHING about.
I've been over here a couple of months now, and I've learned more about this country than a year's worth of watching CNN. I've sat in mission briefs with Colonels, talked with village elders, had tea with Shieks, played with the kids. And I agree with the President. We need more troops and we need to take greater action.
There are 3 major factions here. The Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds. The Shiites are in the majority, but Saddam was a Sunni, so he kept the Shiites in check. Everyone hates the Kurds, who are Christian and in the vast minority. The Kurds received the brunt of Saddam's murderous tyranny. Now that Saddam is gone, the Shiites have taken control of Baghdad. The largely peaceful Sunnis are now the victims of radical Shiite terrorism. So the young Sunni men, who can no longer go to work and support their families, do what all young men would do. They join the Sunni militia and battle the Shiites. And thus the country sits on the brink of civil war.
But this war is between them. They largely do not concern themselves with the U.S. troops. The insurgents who battle the Coalition Forces are from outside the country. And the biggest problem down here isn't the insurgents. Its the politicians. The local politicians. Even though the country is controlled by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, downtown Baghdad is controlled by radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The Shiites follow al-Sadr and thus the Prime Minister does what al-Sadr says. Think of it as if a warlord controlled New York and blackmailed the President into diplomatic immunity.
When 1st Cav (mainly 2/5 Cav) came here in 2004, they took downtown Baghdad (known as Sadr City ) by force. It cost many lives, but after a year, we held an iron grip on the largest insurgent breeding ground in Iraq . The insurgents were afraid of the Horse People, and rightfully so. But when 1st Cav left, al-Sadr influenced the Prime Minister to kick out the Coalition forces from that area of Baghdad . He said the Iraqi military forces could hold the city. But all that happened was al-Sadr regained control of his cty, and it is now a heavily guarded fortress. A place where insurgents and terrorists can train and stockpile arms. And we cannot go back in becuase the Prime Minister won't let us. Our hands are tied.
So where does al-Sadr get his backing? From Iran and Syria. Iran supplies him with money and Syria supplies the terrorists. The insurgents that battle the Coalition Forces are from Syria , Somalia and dozens of other places outside of Iraq. Iraq is literally a terrorist breeding ground. They have terrorist and sniper schools here. Why not? They train by teaching them to attack the military forces here. And they have an endless supply of these training tools. They have factories in Sadr City to build bombs. Both Iran and Syria have openly proclaimed their number one goal in life is to destroy the great Western Devil and the little Western Devil (America and Britain). Iran wants to control Iraq to further this purpose. Al-Sadr will get to "run" the country and live like a king, but in reality Iran will pull the puppet strings. Iran will have access to thousands of radical Shiites who will do whatever al-Sadr tells them to. And Iraq will be used as a breeding ground for terrorism. Terrorism that will be targeted directly at America and Britain . The Iraq Study Group advised we should let Iran and Syria help with rebuilding? Bravo to President Bush for striking that idea down and vowing to keep those two countries out of Iraq .
So how do the Iraqi people feel about everything? Of course they don't want the Americans here. But they would far rather have us here than the Iranians. My platoon visited an average Sunni village on a patrol a few days ago. Their only source of income was to farm, as they could not go to the city to work for fear of violence. Many of the young men had already run off to join the militia for no other reason than to feed their families. They had no school or hospital near them and the community was dying. The village elder's granddaughter was very sick and I was able to treat her. Afterwards he invited me and my Platoon Leader to sit in his house and have tea with him, and we talked about the situation.
The people want peace. The Shiites kill the Sunnis because al-Sadr tells them to do so The Sunnis fight back because they have no choice. They are glad Saddam is dead (Sunni or not), but do not want to replace him with another dictator in a politician's clothes (which is what al-Sadr will become). And they especially don't want Iran in charge. Many innocent Iraqis will die if this happens. These are the words that came out of the elder's mouth:
"We do not want America here, and America does not want to be here. But you cannot leave because the militias control the country. America must use the might of its giant army and sweep through, root out and destroy the militias. Then Iraq can be free and you can leave."
What appears to have happened within our diplomatic community, is that Prime Minister finally realizes that his days are numbered. If al-Sadr remains, he will be kicked to the curb. So hopefully he is about to allow us to reenter Sadr City , root out and destroy the enemy. A dramatic troop increase will allow us to do this. And the Horse People are back and ready to finish what they started over 2 years ago.
If leave now, it will be a failure for democracy. Iran will control Iraq and the end result will be more terrorist attacks on America . The American people don't want soldiers dying over here, but its better than American civilians dying over there. Do NOT forget 9/11. They will do it again. The moment we loosen our grip on the noose, they will do it again. And the only way to root out the evil here is to stop beating around the bush, increase troops and destroy the insurgents once and for all. The Iraqi government cannot do this on their own. The Iraqi security forces are inadequate for this task. We are the only ones who can stop al-Sadr.
Feel free to share this with whomever wants a real soldier's opinion about the war.
SPC "Doc" Shurley
2/5 Cav, 1st CB
(To read the rest, click "Permalink" below)
Now, I have no doubt that there are soldiers from Texas serving in Iraq right now who support both the war and the President who started it . What arouses suspicion immediately is the lack of personal detail in this letter combined with the willingness to hit the administration's propaganda points.
1. The misidentification of the Kurds as predominantly "Christian," which they are not. But they are (usually) our allies, and it might please many war supporters back home to think of our allies as Christian.
2. "The largely peaceful Sunnis are now the victims of radical Shiite terrorism." This phrase will strike many as bizarre. Al Qaeda is a wholly Sunni phenomenon. According to Larry Johnson, a terrorism expert formerly employed by the CIA, Sunni insurgents are responsible for 92% of the American combat deaths in Iraq. As we have seen elsewhere, there is good reason to believe that the Sunnis are aided by Saudi Arabia -- whose rulers are closely linked to the Bush family.
Al-Maliki is as pro-Iran as he dare be, and his security forces are infiltrated by insurgents.
3. The emphasis on Al Sadr. From Johnson:
With Zarqawi dead and buried the Bush Administration has christened Moqtada al Sadr as its latest villain. But this is another lie. Moqtada al Sadr is the least Iran friendly of the various Shia clerics. Moqtada is no friend of the United States but he is first and foremost an Iraqi nationalist. He is not an Iranian toady. That distinction goes to Mr. Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim. Remember him? He's the guy who was sitting with George Bush for a photo op in the Oval Office in December.4. Contrary to Shurley's claims, virtually all other sources hold that the Sunni insurgency has motives that go far beyond antipathy toward Sadr. Many Sunni fighters are Salafists. (Salafism is the militant branch of Wahhabism founded by Sayyid Qutb, whom we have discussed in previous posts.) The most public spokesman of the Sunni resistance is Sheikh Hareth Al-Dhari, head of Iraq's Sunni Clerics Association. These quotations from Al-Dhari (which comes to us by way of MEMRI, nobody's idea of a left-wing source) make clear that he feels his primary enemies are America and the current Iraqi government, not Sadr:
So let me see if I have this straight. The Iraqi Shia cleric closest to the Iranians, who are responsible for killing some of our soldiers, gets an invite to the White House for a grip and grin. Meanwhile the Iraqi Shia cleric least favorably disposed to Iran becomes our new public enemy and now has sought refuge in Iran. Great! Rather than drive a big wedge between Iran and al Sadr we give him a reason to reach out to Tehran.
"We call upon all the Iraqi people to participate in the referendum on the constitution, and reject it, thus showing those who are behind it that they formulated it against the will of the Iraqi people, and so that the world will know that the Iraqi people is dissatisfied with the occupation and all its plans, and primarily with the distorted constitution, the constitution-monster that, Allah willing, is dead."And:
"When I was asked about terrorism, I said it has many sources, which, based on research, I managed to narrow down to five. The first is the occupation, which is the source of terrorism. The second source is the successive governments – the temporary government and the current interim government. The third source is the militias belonging to the parties which make up the administration one way or another, whether they belong to the security forces or not. They too constitute a major source of harming civilians today. The fourth source is the intelligence of the foreign countries, including the American intelligence and its deeds, the Israeli intelligence and its deeds, and the intelligence of some neighboring countries and their deeds – and they are all wreaking devastation on Iraq. [The fifth source] is some groups that claim to belong to the resistance, even though they do not."Numbers five and three in that list may well be partial digs at Sadr. As you can see, he hardly seems to be the only thing on Al-Dhari's mind.
5. The attempt to link Shi'ites with memories of 9/11 is also bizarre. As we all know -- or should know -- the hijackers were entirely Sunni. Al Qaeda is, as mentioned, fiercely Sunni, and fiercely anti-Shi'ite. Bush administration propagandists have tried to their damnedest to play upon American unfamiliarity with the factions at play in that part of the world.
I could make further comments about Shurley's views, but those five point -- all matters of checkable fact, not opinion -- should suffice.
We should also take into account the more subjective factors, such as the tone and writing style. "The Kurds received the brunt of Saddam's murderous tyranny" may strike readers as a bit too literary. Wouldn't a fighting man write something more along the lines of "The Kurds got the worst of it under Saddam" or even "Saddam kicked the shit out of those poor SOBs"?
So: Is it real?
Much evidence demonstrates that this administration has made extensive use of psychological warfare on the American people. I hope you've read James Bamford's excellent piece on John Rendon, "The man who sold the war." And we've all noticed that the fake emails that end up debunked on Snopes and similar sites usually serve some right-wing propaganda purpose. See, for example, this scurrilous attack on alleged "radical Muslim" Barack Obama, which was distributed via email -- in much the same fashion as the "Doc" Shurley letter above.
So that's why some people cried "Fake!"
But they were wrong.
The people involved are real. There is a Mike Shurley in San Angelo, Texas who was an Aggie, Class of '72, data consistent with what we find on some versions of this letter's introduction. The Go San Angelo site prints both the letter and a photograph of Bryant "Doc" Shurley.
So I called up Mike, and discovered that, yes, the letter is real. His son is indeed a medic and did write those words.
Oddly enough, Bryant Shurley worked as a graphic artist for about five years, and has written a lot of ad copy. (I'm in the same fields, though I'm -- ahem! -- rather older.) That work history explains why this young man is so erudite.
At any rate, I assured the father that even though we disagreed about the war, we all have enormous respect for the medics who are out there doing their best to save lives. They do some of the toughest jobs in the world -- and one day, they ought to have their own statue on the Washington mall.
(I also want to apologize to the elder Shurley. My damn internet phone service conked out on me while he was talking, and the cell phone was with my ladyfriend, leaving me no way to call back. Hope he didn't think I was being rude.)
16 comments:
So are you also saying we should believe the contents of the letter, since the writer is a real person?
The thing that strikes me most about this post? All parties are killing civilians. This is one fucked up mess.
sunny, that is not what I'm saying. I registered my reasons for disagreement.
Some folks immediately suspected (as did I) that the letter was put together by a bunch of Rovians over pizza and beer. That turns out not to be the case. It's one guy's genuine view. I think he's wrong, but he's serving his country very honorably and thus does not deserve to have his writing mischaracterized.
Actually, I think he's probably right about one major thing: CNN and the major media do not give the audience sufficient information about what's going on there.
I have no doubt that there are still actual volunteers in our military who proudly serve our unelected Regime. This guy speaks for them. God only knows what deeds these Bushbots in uniform have done in the name of "service," but they do not speak for me or the vast majority of Americans they claim to be serving.
I've suspected for a while that these types of individuals are carefully placed in various military "trouble spots" to spy on fellow soldiers, spew US propoganda, and besically help squash dissent. "Friendly" fire, anyone?
This letter may indeed be real, but I'm not sure that it matters. What does matter is what it represents - a point of view shared by our very own Brownshirts still revered simply because they wear a uniform.
Please do not assume that I don't support the MAJORITY of our brave troops. I believe most men and women serving in that fucking meat grinder we call Iraq would return home this instant if they could. - I very much support them and curse the reasons they are forced to be away from their homes, their families - their country.
I just don't support them all. Some of them are there precisely so that they continue to support Regime goals, which include a permanent US presence there. I can only hope their Karma is a bitch.
Kim in PA
Real or otherwise, it is misleading. In the beginning, he states he has been there for a few months. The rest of the letter is written as if he's been there for a long time. Sounds like regurgitation at best, as opposed to personal experience and opinion earned therefrom.
Miss P.
we really need to be careful not to paint even the mindless, irrational, and duped rightwingnuts as one dimensional. each of us has our own reasons for what we think and feel.
it seems this particular guy may well believe every word that he has written, but may well have lost sight of how much of it is his own experience and how much what he was told to understand.
good people make bad judgments. unfortunately, the rightwingnut blogosphere jumps on whatever serves their purpose.
not entirely sure we don't do the same on occasion, though.
kudos to joe, though, for presenting this with such insight.
Another possibility is that it is indeed psy-ops, but this medic has been brought into the con and is being used as a cover for the scheme to make it appear more genuine than it is. Or the medic is simply an unwitting instrument of the propagandists within his ranks, too politically "green" and naive right now to be aware of how he has been misled by others he is listening to.
Point taken, Doc. Psy-ops or unwitting tool, maybe it doesn't matter. Good people do make mad judgements. The same is often said of GWB by those in the right wing blogoshere who are trying to make sense of our sorry state of affairs. The same could also be said of the hillbillies who voted for Bush - not once but twice. They are judged quite harshly, as I think they should be. What I don't understand is why our equally ignorant "volunteer"
soldiers are held in such universally high regard, no matter what they think or say. "Supporting the troops" has become a national mantra that's starting to feel like groupthink to me.
We the people are paying the bill. I believe we are therefore entitled to question the motives, the intelligence, and even the mental state of those to CONTINUE to support this needless slaughter either through propoganda or by killing innocent civilians simply because they are ordered to do so.
Sorry, maybe meaningless judgements are the only thing we have left. So here's one more - Those who support this illegal conflict now have the country they deserve. The trouble is, the rest of us don't deserve it.
Thanks to you and Joe for your continued insights, though, for however long this lasts.
Kim in PA
I do not agree that he is "serving his country very honorably" in Iraq. That type of statement seems to belong aside "support the troops".
Folks, I have to say this about Bryant Shurlock: I will always have tremendous respect for a guy who does his job, and that respect is not lessened in the slightest because I don't agree with his political opinions.
The first returning Iraq war vet I ever spoke to at length was a medic, and he tried his best to give me some idea what the job is like. Try to imagine being shot or wounded so far from home. A medic would seem like an angel.
When I said that the medics deserve a monument on the DC mall, I meant it.
Bryant Shurlock saves lives. That's what counts. His views on the war differ from mine, but so what? He had his say, as well he should; and we will have our say, as well WE should. His father mentioned that Bryant may write a book when he returns. I'll read it. And I hope he'll read with equal respect the works produced by those who wish this war had never happened.
Several months ago took a week long class with several DOD people--one a contractor with one of those "security companies" in Iraq, another with the DOD based in the southwest.
Being from Northern California, I foolishly attempted to explain to them that the media being liberally biased is a complete myth and also that liberals support the military and the troops just as much as conservatives but we don't support the war in Iraq.
No matter what I said and they "heard" very little of what I said, they had made up their minds and refused to consider anything I had said.
It was crazy. I never raised my voice, I made my points and was shocked to find out that these guys refused to consider anything I said.
these military personnel both private contractors and DOD are extremely prejudiced and won't consider that perhaps their viewpoints are wrong.
I even gave them your blog but I suspect they just ignored that as well.
I appreciate this person's view. I wish he would appreciate ours. I wish "SPC Shurley understood that while he is over there feeling good about helping some cleric's daughter, many Americans are loosing their rights here at home. While he is kicking in doors in Baghdad, laws are being rewritten in his home country changing the very face of what he "thinks" he is so fiercely protecting ie "freedom and democracy". While he is defending Baghdad , the southern American border is being destroyed and illegals are entering our country by the hundreds if not thousands daily. Somebody please tell the SPC that America's military equipment is running out, ruining and not being replaced. Tell him too that should he be so lucky as to get back to America for a little R&R, the government here thinks he probably should be able to return to the front lines over and over without adequate rest and protection for years on end. How bout tell him how Americans can no longer go to the doctor and get antibiotics when they have a systemic infection called Lyme Disease. Tell him that those Border Guards are in prison for defending the American border from an illegal drug smuggler.....
If people told SPC Shurley what is going on inside America, my guess is he would remember his first duty is to protect America and the Constitution...... not Baghdad and the Iraqi's. How many American men are out of the country right now??????????
So that's why some people cried "Fake!"
But they were wrong.
The people involved are real.
Yes, a real father of a real dupe. Sunny asked the right question, Joseph, and you missed the point. With all due respect, you've grabbed the wrong end of the stick here. The letter writer is a MEDIC, a backroom boy, for heavens sake! ALL the info he gets is secondhand.
The only redeeming feature of your post is that you disagree with the writer's opinion. However, in portraying what a very uninformed person says about Iraq as being within the range of acceptable views for an American to hold, all you have done is help to legitimize Bush propaganda.
Horsewhisperer.
I think that he is a medic is an important point. His whole life is about helping Americans not die and cheering them up and reassuring them that they're ok.
On the other hand, a few weeks ago I saw an NBC news report about 'our boys in Baghdad' which was entirely about some soldiers making the point that they would by psychologically scarred for eternity if they thought the American people didn't 'support what we're trying to do here'.
Hello all. I am SPC "Doc" Shurley. I was notified of this blog, as I've become aware of several blogs pertaining to my letter. I must say thanks to Joseph Cannon for presenting the most civil of any blog I have read thus far. Too bad I can't say the same about everyone who posts on it. And thanks as well for taking the effort to verify my validity, via contacting my father. Many are not so adept (I'm looking at you, Kos). I found my literary style being called into question very funny. Not all soldiers are dimwits. lol.
I haven't given any of the other blogs any real attention, as they are poorly presented, maintained and basically a waste of my very busy day. They are amusing at best, with their conspiracy theories. But I felt compelled to address you all because I can respect a varying opinion, as long as it isn't based on hate.
I am a real person. A real medic who is really serving in Iraq RIGHT NOW. I am neither Republican or Democrat. I am a soldier, and my opinions are for the benefit of my fellow soldiers. I am not a Rovian, part of psy-ops, a Bushbot, a spy on my fellow soldiers, a rightwingnut, and by no stretch of the imagination am I "green". I am not your average soldier, fresh out of high school. I'm just a guy with an opinion. I came up with my views on my own. Not because a superior told me what to think. You can ask my superiors; I'm waaay too much of a free-thinker for their liking. I am not a die-hard Bush fanatic. I agree that our President has made some terrible decisions in his time in office. But he has also made some good ones. And this particular one I happened to agree with. Not because it was President Bush's idea, but because I see what goes on here.
I wasn't trying to insight a riot, or spread propoganda. I was writing to my parents. That's all. I just wanted those close to me to know how I felt. They in turn forwarded to a few of their friends, and so forth and so forth. And now it has become this epic article of legendary proportions. I exaggerate, of course, but that is how some people have painted it to be. Never in my wildest dreams did I think, or desire it so, that this letter would ignite such a cross-country reaction. I am truely humbled that so many people would care about what I have to say. But since it is out there, I might as well back up my beliefs. I will not apologize for them. Be it talking to my family, or a total stranger, they don't change.
First off, there are Christian Kurds. They exist. In Iraq. I have met them. Google it. I do agree I misworded my letter, however. (You'll have to excuse me, if I would have known it was going to go thru so much scruntiny, I would have written several drafts before I sent out an approved version) I wasn't trying to say that all Kurds are Christian, but rather point out that not everyone in Iraq is Muslim.
On the point of Sunni vs. Shiite violence, again, I should have worded my sentences more carefully. I am not trying to portray Sunni as innocent and Shiite as evil. Both sides are responsible for unspeakable acts of violence. I was trying to explain how al Sadr uses the Shiites as a tool to ignite sectarian violence. And if you do not believe al Sadr to be an enemy, then you have not fought his Madhi Army and seen the EFPs they have laid out for our troops with Iranian markings on them.
Also, I must make a secondary point here. There is a difference between al Queda and the local Sunni militias I wrote about. I am fully aware of the primarily-Sunni al Queda. We patrol a Sunni village that houses a major cell. And the local Sunnis do NOT approve of the terrorists. They are one of our strongest allies in fighting them. Al Queda fights the Coalition Forces. Sunni militias fight the Shiites. There is a difference, one that the media does not usually make distinctions for. Even when they appear to be giving factual, unbiased reports, they are only half-truths. Things are not as black and white as the media describes. There are alot of shades of gray in war. Such as, just because someone is "the most public spokesman of the Sunni resistance" doesn't mean they are the biggest threats. Not everyone walks their talk.
I must admit I am not very knowledgable on Mr. Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim. As he is not someone who's influence I have faced in battle, I don't know much of him. I shall research him. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. It is very interesting.
I never attempted to link Shiites or Iraq to 9/11. When I said "they" would do it again, I was referring to terrorists. The terrorists involved where not of Iraq at the time, but next time they very well could be. I was deadly serious when I said this country is a breeding ground for them now. Once again, if you do not believe me, you have not fought them.
And on a more personal note, speaking to "Anonymous" (nice name choice), how dare you assume to know what a medic does or does not do. How would you possible know what first-hand information I am privy too? What I have SEEN firsthand? To call me a "backroom boy" is an insult to all of the courageous medics I have had the priviledge to work beside. That is ignorance at its best.
Anyways, I'm sure I've overstayed my welcome here, so I'll finish up. Those who want to find strength in my letter will find it. Those who want to tear it down, will do that as well. It is out of my hands. Just try not to get too filled with anger and hate over the subject, and stick to rational thought. If I can hold my anger in place at what I see over here, surely you can do it from over there.
Let us just agree that peace is good and war is bad. But unfortunately, both are neccessary.
"...If I can hold my anger in place at what I see over here, surely you can do it from over there."
Read the latest election results, SPC. We're not holding our "anger" back anymore. Anger worth about 400 billion and an inestimable amount of blood and treasure.
Yes, SPC - that would be We the People footing the bill for this senseless slaughter. The trouble is, We the People have not supported this since all the lies finally came to light. Found any weapons of Mass Destruction lately? Oh I know, that's just sooo 2003.
Well, I'm a real person too, thanks. A real person who is working my ass off to pay the taxes that support this shit. Making ends meet isn't so easy anymore. In case you haven't been around in a while, let me tell you that there are HUGE needs in this country - your country - that are not being met. No. Basic infrastructure, education, health care, unemployment and New Orleans simply cannot compete with making more billions for Halliburton.
I understand why you would cling to your beliefs though. It's only human nature to think that what we do and who get killed in the process would actually mean something.
If you or your Decider really wanted to fight terrorism you would be in Afganistan or Pakistan. That's fairly common knowledge back here in America. But no. That never was the plan, was it? Better brush up on those talking points...no wait, there aren't any.
Kim in PA
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